Diminished Scale over Dominant 7 - using a TRIAD - Q & A with Robert Renman

[@rishardlampese8947]

And the other two triads for the A7 that work similarly are the C major triad and the Eb major triad because those are the other two that are in the minor 3rd diminished sequence from the A. Lots of fun to work these into your A mixolydian or A minor penta/blues. Thanks for posting!

[@Dariocomposer]

Yes! And playing around between the A7 and the F#dim7 itself on a solo it makes it super cool. I like to use it even in some orchestral composition for movies when I wanna get some tension

[@aylbdrmadison1051]

Those are both great ideas. Thank you.

[@hoeyhood]

You can also take all those triads and play them minor as well or mix everything up using major and minor. The natural 3 and b3 are both part of the diminished octotonic (half whole) scale, as well as the 5th and root

[@phatdave53]

I have looked for ideas to Jazz up my blues for years without luck .......until now. Your lessons are the best I have found ! Thank you Robert !

[@oneeyemonster3262]

if you learn the scales and mode in them..You aint playing outside of nothing.lol The DOMINANT pentatonic R...x....2...x...3...............5................b7...x.....R It's 5th mode is R............b3...x....4..x....5....x....6...................R Leading tone MODEs from the parallel scales.... The b4 has the same pitch as maj3 loc b4. bb7 = Harmonic minor loc b4 = melodic minor phry b4 = Lydian b3 ...............Lydian b3 = IV of Harmonic MAJOR loc b4, bb6 = melodic minor b5 Harmonic minor b5 = III mode of Hungarian MAJOR Hungarian MAJOR = #2, #4, b7 or Mix #2, #4..or Lydian dominant #2 Harmonic minor b2 or Melodic minor b2. You can easily alter the b2 chord to whatever. The harmonic Minor, Harmonic MAJOR, Hungarian MAJOR, Meldoic minor b5 ALL HAVE POSSIBLE FULL DIMINISHED in them. I listed them for REASONS.... example...The melodic minor DO NOTE have FULL diminished in it. The Melodic minor b5 dose.... you'll get Lydian dominant b2 I showed you the Dorainish pentatonic for REASON It has....1 ,b3, 5, 6....in it. Dorian #4 Dorian b5 Dorian b2, #4 Dorian b2. b4........you now can also make the II chord of meldoic minor Dominant The lydian ish mode....showing it you'll know you can alter it to Minor, dominant or FULL diminised Lydian #2 Lydian b7.....aka lydian domiant lydian #2, b7 Lydian b2, b7 All these modes exist from scales people created centuries ago. Nothing new or exotic about them. You can modulate like this....from C Major/A Minor Play the C# note = Dorian with LEADING TONE = D melodic minor or Play the G# note = A Harmonic minor ( b6 ) HArmonic minor.... In other words....C# and G# = A Harmonic MAJOR while in D melodic minor the A7 is mix b6 Harmonic MAJOR is just Mix b6 with a LEADING TONE or the Mix b6 is just aeo wtih MAj3.. kind of like the dorian vs Mix.....b3 or maj3 aeo b5 is the VI mode of melodic minor Harmonic minor b5 is just aeo b5 with a LEADING TONE. When you modulate like that...the D minor is now Lydian b3 the E is Mix b2 If you play D melodic minor b5...it would be E dorian b2, b4 The parallel scales ALL WORK together to help you push or pull anyway you want If you play (N6)...harmonic minor b2 or melodic minor b2 If you play the Bb as maj7....it'll help you shift to D min....G minor...or C minor which is like cycling down to the forth....F, Bb, Eb 1........2..........3..4..........5............6.............7...8 the five missing notes....b3, b6,b7......b2, b5 b6 = Harmonic MAJOR b3 = melodic minor b3, b6 = Harmonic minor Harmonic /melodic minor ...b5 Harmonic/melodic minor ...b2 harmonic minor #4 melodic minor #4 = Lydian b3 There's only 12 notes....you cant play outside of those 12 notes..unless you install extra frets.lmao

[@alamooji3716]

@@oneeyemonster3262 that was ridiculous

[@oneeyemonster3262]

@@alamooji3716 Like this...DORK How da fuck can you play jazz without knowing this SIMPLE SHIT.... Play the DOMINANT PENTATONIC over the LYDIAN DOMINANT the third mode is R.........b3.........b5........b6............b7 as in Aeo b5 or over the Mix b6 As in... LOC b4 or fucken ALTENATIVE Jazzy ass term mode and stop wearing out the god damn scale..it sound the SAME..like the rest of the jazzy ass guitar players.lmao Geesus...as if all b3 interval is rocket science. U aint in sunday school..FFS

[@oneeyemonster3262]

@@alamooji3716 or like this....The 5th from G7 is D dorian The 5th from D lydian dominant = A melodic min dorian with leading tone. the 5th from E Mix b6 = B dorian b2 Oki doke....

[@oneeyemonster3262]

@@alamooji3716 incase you're still SLOW.. when you play dorain b2 and maj7.. it's fucken Melodic min b2....Aka NeoPolymamrous..N de fffffken 6.lmao

[@Jim-ro5sl]

Finally, I got it. I've been trying to figure that out forever.Best lesson ever on diminished. 😊😊😊😊

[@FrancisFurtak]

Robert , Nice playing and good job explaining this. You slowed it down enough for us to grasp. A lot of teachers don't get how important it is to do that! Thanks FF

[@TheTerrypcurtin]

Well done. I love diminished scales and chords. They make classy sophisticated turns.

[@josemolina959]

54 seconds into the video, and I already love this guy, can't wait to see the rest!

[@aleksandarpotocnjak9219]

It sounds nice as you play and they combine nicely, different styles on the guitar, and in this clip you blended that blues and jazz in the right way.

[@Dolphinstreets]

Thanks!

[@LooMinn]

Awesome lesson.👍 I really like the camera angle on the guitar neck as you play. This is superior to reading TAB because we actually see how the riff is played and we can also slow it down with the speed control under settings .

[@michaelaldrid]

Good stuff been listening for over 5 years always good

[@canelwinepear163]

The lessons are so good for learning how to integrate diminished coulor in blues but also love so much your playing.

[@Dolphinstreets]

+Canel Wine Pear Thank you so much!

[@petemetcalfe4385]

Great hip idea, Robert, Thanks.

[@tomeofawesomeness]

Sounds absolutely beautiful. Thank you so much! I like that it's not just randomly out, but the connection can be heard.

[@lolobuggah2670]

i always thought playing outside meant playing in my backyard! thanks for clarifying!

[@lukepercy8525]

lol

[@JDeligero]

Dang, that’s why I never got paid for my jazz gigs.

[@TheYearThree]

Thank you very much Robert! This lesson goes a long way!

[@Dolphinstreets]

+TheYearThree Thanks!

[@magnushartelius8021]

That Stratocaster is one of the most beautiful ones I ever seen! And it sounds great too!

[@BiancaOnYoutube]

I like you're lessons. Very easy to understand and applicable to any situation.

[@davidgrinberg3635]

Excellent Robert. Absolutely brilliant!

[@jamesrobinson529]

A great video & it's sparking all kinds of ideas. Such as, exercises on using each chord tone in the major triad & figuring out how to resolve to a chord tone of the target chord.

[@Dolphinstreets]

+James Robinson Thanks James!

[@johncostigan6160]

I have been studying the Johnny Smith method of learning all the diminished arpeggios and all the diminished scales. It has been a bit of a beating as he uses both bass clef and treble clef in each exercise. Thank-you for showing me the F# major arpeggio against the A7 chord. I could play it instantly. What a wonderful workaround!

[@alward5678]

Always great lessons and playing Robert. Thank you.

[@Dolphinstreets]

Thanks for listening

[@aylbdrmadison1051]

It's like the relative minor chord, but turned into a Major chord. I never thought of it this way before. Thank you..

[@40pianos]

If you were playing an A major chord F# would be the relative minor. But you're playing an A dominant - the 5th of D - which means you're actually playing in D major and the F# is the 3 minor... turned into a major chord. I'm not meaning to be picking at minutiae but if you recognize eacg dominant chord as the "5 of" it's major key you open up a myriad of soloing possibilities - E Dorian works on an A dominant as does F# Phrygian, G Lydian and so on. In addition to the diminished scale demonstrated here, you can really spice up your blues playing by thinking of the dominant in terms of its relative major key. Cheers!

[@aylbdrmadison1051]

@Brent Pulford : Just came back to this lesson, because it's one of Robert's more advanced lessons, to find your gem of a comment. Please don't feel sorry for going into detail at all though, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm always looking for these days. So thank you very much for taking the time to reply in detail. I taught myself all the modes of the Major scale long ago. So I understand that E dorian, F# phrygian and G lydian (along with A mixolydian, B aeolian, and C# locrian) are all contained within D Major, and how they work so well with an A dominant chord, but there's still no Major third in the F# chord of those modes. It's how turning that F# minor into a Major works so well that I don't quite get, but love the sound of. Is it perhaps because our ears are sort of fooled into hearing something part way in between a half step passing tone (the flat 9 in this case) and the relative minor chord that it sounds so good? I'm still at a loss for this one, but (like many things) using it regardless ofc, lols. In any case, if you (or someone else who knows) happens to read this, it would be an awesome bit of knowledge to have. Thanks in advance.

[@Dolphinstreets]

I think the answer is Tension. The F# major triad here is part of the diminished scale. That’s what creates tension and makes you ears twist a bit. 😊

[@Strumbum01]

Very nice tone and playing!

[@Jamestele1]

Great lesson with cool examples pf its applications in a typical 1-4-5 jam. That Strat also being played by expert doesn't hurt either!

[@m.vonhollen6673]

We were taught to call the “half-whole scale” the Symmetrical Dominant scale. It is the one and only “mode” of the Diminished scale. It’s formula is: 1-b9-#9-3-#11-5-13-b7. (Notice that it has 8 notes.) Good for a chord with b9-#9-#11-13! We call the 2-4-6’s by their up-an-octave names because that gives us more useful information. - Another useful scale is the Altered Dominant scale; its formula is: 1-b9-#9-3-b5-#5-b7. It is the 7th mode of the Melodic Minor scale. (Notice that is has 7 notes.) Good for a chord with b9-#9-b5-#5. - Thanks for a great lesson!

[@jboughtin7522]

Definitely cool stuff. Most players I listen to use this kind of thing very sparingly though. Just as little accents here and there.

[@James-zs2lo]

Thanks Robert, for tying together bits and pieces for me. James

[@theempyrean1227]

Hey I really liked this, I taught my self mostly by ear and I can really see you don't need to have too much theory to understand this lesson. Thanks much bro!

[@Dolphinstreets]

+the empyrean Glad to hear!

[@scotteley6582]

You are my voice. Thank you for all the help.

[@DontYaTalkSIlly]

Diminished scale is mathematically perfect ^^ my favourite sounding too.

[@larsdreioe798]

Rob - thanks for this insight! I really picked up some interesting perspectives. Thx !

[@ostronajebanyrewolwerowiec4240]

Yep. I concur. Great lesson plus user friendly presentation style. Definitely sub-worthy. Thanks!

[@Dolphinstreets]

Glad to hear, thank you.

[@Passion535]

Please keep it up! I love learning new stuff!! Feels so good!!

[@antonellovanni]

fantastic lesson

[@majorleaguemodelsbystevewo9451]

FANTASTIC, thanks for sharing!!

[@Dolphinstreets]

Glad you like it!

[@TheTwangKings]

Awesome tip! Very cool superimposed triad.

[@doyleallen3762]

Easy and cool. Thanks for the tip!

[@jamescopeland5358]

Always good stuff Robert, thx brother

[@Dolphinstreets]

Thanks for watching

[@ImTheChoice1]

Well done!!! Don't stop... I've more to learn!

[@mrtambourineman6107]

I used to hate music theory, but these days I actually really enjoy leaning theory 🧨🧠

[@anthonyshaw8698]

I think it's all in how one teaches. Some guys teach really well. Make it easy to understand, while others make it very difficult. This guy and a few others have great teaching methods. I use to hate theory too. But now , I'm enjoying it. I've learned so much from KZbin in the last year or so. It's exciting. Using diminish and whole tone scales & arpeggios over dominant 7 & minor chords. Also, improvising off passing chords. So much to learn. I like players who play outside a bit. It's sounds cool, as long as it doesn't get too dissonant. I like the more melodic/harmonic sound.

[@JohnPakalenka]

Nice stuff Dude!! Thank you for sharing this!

[@Dolphinstreets]

Glad you liked it!

[@PlayitonPan]

Great lesson 🔥🙌🏾😎💫 I’ll come back to this in a few years 😄🙈🎸

[@RealGreggStallings]

Your lessons are great and very very helpful. I really appreciate them.

[@Dolphinstreets]

Gregg Stallings Thanks!

[@ToneD5150]

Another awesome lesson to improve the blues ! Thank You...!!!

[@tonymurphy9795]

Great stuff Robert.

[@MrSteviek52]

Fantastic session 👏…I love this stuff 💙….straight to the vocabulary 👉🏻💥

[@Dolphinstreets]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@jimbenson8695]

Robert, your lessons are top shelf. Thank you!

[@Dolphinstreets]

Thanks a lot!

[@BMarPiano]

Love it! I'm a pianist, but this is very helpful for me as well.

[@canelwinepear163]

Brenda Martin I thought pianist knew these kind of stuff from the start.

[@victorlaw4256]

Thanks Robert. Great lesson. Great trick. Got to learn it.

[@terrybanks5063]

that was one hell of a lesson man, cheers for that!

[@motorcaster57]

lovely lesson!!! such a nice touch on the guitar... very knowledgeable and describe it well.. I am a drummer learning guitar and having a blast doing so... Your Guitars are beautiful as well...

[@philiprowland9390]

Nicely done, Robert!

[@theguitarczar]

you can definitely hear the Oz Noy in that first one. nice tips

[@steveg.9556]

Nice tone!

[@anthonyshaw8698]

Fantastic lesson brother!!!!

[@Dolphinstreets]

Thank you kindly!

[@ianmartens5286]

Great stuff. Thanks

[@Hugh9]

Thanks. You are a great teacher.

[@garylubbe3286]

Nice one Robert, thank you.

[@georgemorris4142]

that is so cool! u have a great blues feel & tasty style,2 the first order👍 thank u 4 sharing!

[@rafaelbrouwer]

This helped a lot in using the diminished scale! thanks!!

[@Dolphinstreets]

Glad to hear!

[@ryansouthard4929]

I knew this but didn’t know what it was. Killer

[@chriscarroll2330]

Robert your a great player. That is right in line with our beloved Robben Ford!! Do more on this. This is where tasty rubber hits the road.

[@pn641]

Loved it Grate lesson ♥️ Thank you

[@clay89_]

Great job! Very clear and useful to improve my palying. Thanks!

[@Dolphinstreets]

+Claudio Pereira Thank you.

[@dexblue]

Thank you for this, Robert Renman - informative, helpful and very musical … !

[@Jmetta1]

Subscribed!! I love that your videos don't waste time on stuff that someone looking at the concept featured in the video should already know. In other words, someone looking up application of diminished does not need 10 minutes on which notes are in the blues or pentatonic scale, so thank you for not spending a bunch of time on that. Perfect instructions for middle of the road players like me that can play ok, but are looking to get hipper and expand their vocabulary. Am I correct in assuming that from a dominant chord I can play a hw diminished from the root? It will take me some time (probably forever) to play as hip as you do, but this really helped me understand something that I just couldn't get my head around.

[@Dolphinstreets]

Thanks! On dominant chords, you start with a half step, yes.

[@sergrito]

great idea!! sounds very nice

[@gordoncarmen9433]

Hey there friend, that sounds awesome, n great job of breaking it down. You rock my brother, n thank you for sharing that. Can't wait to use it . Sat nite lol😁👍👍👍

[@tindejavu]

What a Professor, what a feeling, ideas...aproach...wonderfull. Thanks, super.

[@Dolphinstreets]

+Martin Glavaš Thank you.

[@Bflatest]

Another cool bit to slip in is the minPentatocic from a minor third higher so in A it would be Cmin pent just a tiny bit

[@msolbakken]

It looks like your playing an F# dim scale (half/whole step) starting from the third note A of the scale then Bb,C,C# on the high E string and making an arpeggio to F# of the low E and then working your way back up the strings. Hope that's right! Lol. Anyway, I played it on an A7 vamp using the blues scale with the F# dim. scale arpeggio. Sounds awesome, Great lesson. Made me a subscriber!

[@patrickpost3269]

hi Robert; thanks for that. You're right it does sound good!

[@domtristpugly7672]

Cool lesson! It was really helpful...how can we apply the whole tone scale in this context?

[@loismcmorris9326]

Got ya! Loved it! Thanks!!!!

[@Dolphinstreets]

Rock on!

[@Dirtydrock001]

Thanks your vids are so helpful keep up the good work!

[@Dolphinstreets]

Dean botts Thank you.

[@Mainstreet2006]

Very Nice lesson...Robert...Thanks!

[@Dolphinstreets]

+Tim Chauvin Glad you liked it.

[@jamesgeducation1097]

Playing a diminished tone half way through a blues song sounds too fusion/jazz. Not my taste but certainly someone else's. The sweetest spot to play a diminished scale/triad in a blues song is right on the 12th bar, before the progression resolves back to the root chord. Robert Ford is a master at this musical prowess. Great video Robert, thanks for sharing.

[@mkovacich2666]

thanks... its help me a lot!!!

[@VPicksGuitarPicks]

Good one! I'm gonna try that~!

[@Dolphinstreets]

Have fun!

[@manfromatlantis2551]

Wow nice lesson well explained. Thank you

[@ranjeet9868]

0:34 i laughed like hell! Damn that was great man!

[@rudyj625]

Very nice approach to diminished Arppeggious ove Dminant Chords. What theory goes along with knowing how to place certain scales to make it work?

[@30gara]

Great lesson!

[@Dolphinstreets]

+Gara M Thanks!

[@newcity6767]

You earned my sub ! this lesson was great, helped me a lot

[@Dolphinstreets]

Thanks, glad to hear!

[@hifrets]

Wow so helpful and understandable.Thank you so much.

[@neiladams2190]

Brilliant. Magic fingering' mastering the ' fretboard.. 🎇🎇🎇🎇🎇

[@Dolphinstreets]

Many thanks!

[@dishantsamotaguitarist]

Robert u r super duper hero...u r so much talented y don't u compose something a song or instrumental etc I want to hear ur song...

[@trapizongabluesco.5087]

Thanks a lot, Robert!

[@Dolphinstreets]

Welcome.

[@jswazz9264]

Very clean idea

[@MrSoloniPedro]

I understand it, your a cool teacher, the best, i will check out your videos always, Godbless sir 😀😀😀😀 salute..

[@vinsensilitonga7517]

I don't understand this yet, but I know this is amazing. 👍👍👍

[@LILTRACUZ514]

That is the exact feeling I have rn xD

[@aylbdrmadison1051]

If you know what relative chords are, then you're halfway there. It's like if you're playing a C Major, then A minor is your relative minor, because they both are the exact same key (C, D, E, F, G, A, B and A, B, C, D, E, F, G). The only difference here is he's making the relative minor into a Major chord also. And instead of playing the F# on the 2nd fret like a normal barre chord, he's playing the F# chord using the "D shape" up on the 6th fret.

[@jasonrobling7536]

Great lesson. One question: when using the diminished scale, how do you know when to start with the half step or the whole step?

[@zaphodrahja]

Over the A7 start with half so you end up on the major third, A A# C C# etc, or over Am7 start with whole so hits minor third A B C D D# etc, also sounds good over the D7 chord

[@jasonrobling7536]

@@zaphodrahja Thanks!

[@PsytranceGOUGAS]

A Bb C Db Eb E Gb G - A half whole diminished scale. You can also play the C and Eb major chords over the A7 like Robert shows here. :)

[@tatatoto1052]

Great lesson!!!

[@Dolphinstreets]

+Tata Toto Glad to hear!

[@rafaelvelasco2734]

Suena genial, gracias Robert

[@dougp2917]

So the Major triad to solo over the A7 chord is F# maj. { F#, A#, C#}. Intervals then from an "A root" perspective is the 6, b9, and the 3rd. So the characteristic 'outside' note is the b2/b9 , and to a lesser degree the ma6/13 within context of an A7 chord? Thank you for another great lesson.

[@Dolphinstreets]

That’s right! This is just one small snapshot of a much bigger picture.

[@FelixSunMusic]

"Hipper than eveeeeeeer." Thanks for the awesome lesson!

[@Dolphinstreets]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@millionthmacaroon5149]

Can you make a A° chord as G#M I couldn't sight any poly chord formations. Though an A° scale is it possible in Music theory, or do some sounds not mix well with others?

[@Kipster848]

Cool Riff Rob

[@fozzynicky]

Great lesson. Would another way to think of it be turning the relative minor to a major?

[@EljasVerve]

Hi, this reminds me of (outside) A jazz blues turnaround Ebm7-F#7b5-B9-E7... :)