Diplomatically Out-Maneuvering Your Opponents | Tutorials | Age of Wonders 4

[@AgeOfWondersOfficial]

We know that most of you consider "declaration of war" to be the only form of Diplomacy, but we did provide other options

[@101jir]

"I am choas prince Kruul Blightlord. Many godir aim to make war, I aim to make peace." Riight

[@aviencloud4239]

I mean he could be lying😂

[@JumboPixel]

Less than 1 week now… TIME TO RALLY!

[@ashesofaranea]

I'm very interested in this, diplomacy was a very weak aspect of age of wonders 3 and i'm glad if it's now a viable strategy

[@stevens9625]

It's the exact same as Planetfall which is the exact same as AoW3 with the addition of casus belli/grievances a la Stellaris. Don't expect too much.

[@ChristIsKingPhilosophy]

Mechanically speaking, it's not a viable strategy, it's just a minor annoyance that makes you need to crunch numbers to see if it is meaningful or not at a specific threshold. AoW is not a franchise known for having a deep grasp of the mechanical aspects of a competitive game, that's why most of it is played against AI, since PvP always eventually creates a meta where most of these aspects are sidelined in favor of a meta which mostly ignores them or always picks the same stance towards them. It's a game philosophy issue.

[@morelstrike]

​@@ChristIsKingPhilosophy I mean, that's every PvP game in a nutshell, people are going to find least RP friendly way to play if it is going to give them an advantage.

[@ChristIsKingPhilosophy]

@@morelstrike Sure, I agree, my point was that different games have different thresholds which make specific mechanics more meaningful within the game. For example, hard roguelikes (which are PvE) are so focused on certain aspects that it makes the mechanics themselves have more relevance (like for example the potions in Slay the spire). Since the resource at stake is our time and our mental energy, when the threshold is very small and the advantage is small it stops mattering when compared to other aspects of the game. In AoW3 a lot of specializations weren't viable to play competetively. The RP aspect only matters when it's already guaranteed that you will win regardless, which is contrary to competitive gaming (which is an important aspect of truly strategic games).

[@henrychaffin4340]

I’m so f***ing excited for this game I have been an age of wonders 3 fan for so long and this is a perfect looking game I have not been this excited for a game since 2015!

[@howlingdin9332]

You can definitely see Paradox' influence.

[@Bznsin]

Here's hoping we can have the AI use our own created empires to spawn in our games like what Stellaris does.

[@WizzyWinds]

I’m pretty sure they already said that can happen

[@trevorchase3804]

What do you mean? I've played a lot of Age of Wonders but I don't understand what you're describing exactly

[@MoaRider]

​@@trevorchase3804 He badically wants the ability to create the empires he meets in game.

[@etienne8110]

@@trevorchase3804 In this game you can creat custom factions. He hopes to encounter the faction he created as AI oponnents. Should be possible since it was possible in AoW3 with custom leaders.

[@trevorchase3804]

@@etienne8110 Ohh, yeah I played 8-player campaigns exclusively against leaders I created in Aow3. Can't imagine it wouldn't be possible with AoW4. We'll see! Thanks for clarifying.

[@Therealpicodogg]

Came for the JumboPixel stayed for the background music

[@AngryIrishBenjamin]

Damn. 6 days to go. So near yet so far.

[@beastsdruid]

What TIME is AoW4 going to be released for PC? I know it's coming out May 2nd. Thanks!

[@miel307]

This game has a lot of aspects from other 4x games, no idea if the other Age of Wonders titles had them first, but I see a lot of things from Endless legend, Humankind and Civ games

[@zacharybecker8228]

This one takes alot from planetfall which humankind kind of took its region system from

[@trevorchase3804]

Its a series that's been around since 1999. Civ came out in 1991. Who knows what's deritivate, but everything that you're seeing in this video has existed since the first AoW installment in some capacity, but AoW4 has added more depth and layers to the concepts.

[@strangestecho5088]

It's entirely normal for game studios to incorporate ideas/systems from other games in their genres. It doesn't really matter who thought of it first, as long as it makes the game better and is implemented well.

[@strawberry-parfait3922]

So how do i use diplomacy to make a ruler angry at another one without going to war myself if they are nice to each other by default?

[@michaelcook2290]

Diplomacy, vital for defeat in detail.

[@regalgiant1597]

Yay jumbopixel! So much better than the tater-vodka guy

[@Volactic]

Yeah I am not sure why they brought him in to hype up the game before release, but I pre-ordered the game regardless

[@snowdawn]

Very good summary.

[@beastsdruid]

Are there an infinite number of "legendary" levels like the champion levels in AoW3? Thanks!

[@antrodeldungeonmaster]

plz where is Diplomacy commands' access in xbox edition ;) ?

[@gatovolador7798]

I love Jumbo Pixel!!

[@francopereyra6659]

So.. whispering Stones are like Communicators?

[@blockachockyt1163]

I love JumboPixel!

[@CommanderBohn]

So there is now a good reason not to immediately integrating a free city into your empire if you want their units. But I will still play as druidic barbarian elves who are way too trigger happy when someone enters their bushes and forests.

[@Shininku]

For all of the videos I've seen on AoW4; the bias on the alignment seems to be the thing I disagree with the most. Evil receiving +10% negative events seems kinda bull, for a system that's supposed to be more about roleplaying. You already get punished for being evil by everyone hating you, from free cities to empires; so why does the game's RNG have to be biased against you? It kinda kills the roleplaying aspect to know that the game feels so hard inclined to make you play as a good character. It's kinda cheap that you'll just arbitrarily have more plagues or earthquakes or something purely for being evil. It makes me feel less inclined to recreate my necromancer or any of my other evil characters here.

[@L4sz10]

I think negative events are like scheming, rebellions and such, not necessarily natural disasters. Devs also confirmed that Good alignment choices are more expensive in resources. So there is a balance, evil is more about short term gain but long term consequences, while good is about sacrificing short term goals for long term gains.

[@marczhu7473]

Notice evil got better combat perk

[@Cowkill]

I agree with you. It was already the case in previous games and there was no point in being evil because it was just a handicap.

[@dawatchng]

I think they mentioned that neutral cities and rulers will like those of similar alighment, so you should in theory be more able to recruit evil minor cities more easily if you go that route.

[@anonyme4881]

If its for balance keep in mind that being evil let you probably do way more things in general. Like unjustified war, or stealing ressource from people as we saw in the event presented here exemple. In fact evil people can do whatever they want while good is locked behind good things. Good may hate you but if they doesnt have any casus belli they cant declare ware. If you played dnd playing as good character IS in fact very hard to doo if you really think through and you arent doing the "goody two shoes cliche". For exemple a good character in dnd shouldnt kill goblin on sight in dnd but should try to tall first. Also we didnt see any the alightment technology bonus. Also in many 4x game war is broken like in civ6 were it is the easier way to win the game even in deity difficulty. We didnt see the full mecanics, but why bother for many many turn with vassaling a free city when you can take it by force and get its full value on turn one ?

[@aguscmzz]

bought!, premium edition! :D

[@mermidion7552]

i was hoping for some diplomatic options for evil aligned characters that that let you coerce citys into an alliance without the use of actual War. that Battling is all that evil characters can do is kind of boring and stale. Also, making more negative events because you play evil .Really? Shouldnt both sides be equally beneficial and fun in a sttrategy game with options to roleplay? At least in this game it seems that you will have better diplomatic standing with other evil Leaders when you share an alignment, wich seems to be an improvement.

[@makegaminggreatagain3907]

1,312.8 hours in Age of Wonders Planet-Fall, I've only ever beaten "new planets" twice on max difficulty using Diplomacy. Warmongering and Covert-Ops a bunch, Diplomacy in Age of Wonders Planet-Fall was really underwhelming in comparison to Covert-Ops and Warmongering so I hope Triumph Studios balances the three in AoW 4. I'd honestly like them to go back to AoW PF and balance the game.

[@gregoryshinn9805]

Thanks for the video

[@marcelolacerda8509]

Does dwellings (dragons, mariners and so on) still exists?

[@jacobbronsky464]

I'm wondering that, too.

[@EliteBladesGaming]

I think free cities have replaced them for the most part, with special units like ogres coming from ruins through the rally of the lieges

[@thewizzard3705]

@@EliteBladesGaming This and what i could gather from the info-videos Ancient Wonders and Hero-Traits. There might be more.

[@Denamda]

No they got replaced by the rally of the lieges mechanic. Some heroes will have traits to let you recruit those dwelling units, and some are tied to tomes, but they don't have their own cities anymore. We will be getting more dragon stuff though. The first DLC is going to be dragon focused, including having a dragon as an option for your faction ruler.

[@MoaRider]

I just hope they add Nagas, Kobolds and the other dwelling races as playable forms down the line.

[@karolwyrebiak135]

HOLD THE LINE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@elveswarriror]

is that the first look of Sundren in AoW4? she looks quite different

[@howlingdin9332]

She looks older, lol.

[@zacharybecker8228]

I dont think so it looks like a guy maybe her father

[@prinstyrio0]

@@zacharybecker8228 I mean, it literally says "Sundren" right below her.

[@zacharybecker8228]

@@prinstyrio0 oh i missed her there i thought they were saying the elf standing in front of the portal when alignment comes on the screen

[@tycan8086]

the music was kinda to high for me personally

[@alierensofu9264]

i have an idea for auto combat so why don't you guys let player pick turn order of every unit like 1.hero , 2.dawnbringer and so on so on with this i think auto combat would be chef's kiss love you guys and love your game

[@Gabriel_Taler]

1:20 lol i am in the game

[@ariochiv]

They're using the term "liege" backwards here. "Liege" describes the lord who is owed allegiance, not the vassals who owe it. So describing your vassals as "Lieges" is nonsensical.

[@Akazury]

Liege is also a Vassal or Subject, so it's being used correctly