DIRT CHEAP, EBAY, AMAZON, SLOPPY LS CAM TEST...SLOPPY STAGE 1 VS STAGE 1.5 VS STAGE 2 VS STAGE 3

HOW DO ALL THE ORIGINAL ELGIN SLOPPY STAGE CAMS COMPARE? WHICH SLOPPY CAM MAKES THE MOST TORQUE? IS THE SLOPPY STAGE 2 THE BEST CAM EVER? HOW MUCH MORE POWER DOES THE SLOPPY STAGE 2 MAKE THAN THE SLOPPY STAGE 1? DOES THE SLOPPY STAGE 2 MAKE MORE THAN THE SLOPPY STAGE 1.5? WILL THE SLOPPY STAGE 3 FIT STOCK PISTON-TO-VALVE CLEARANCE? WHICH SLOPPY CAM MAKES THE MOST PEAK POWER? CAN I RUN THE SLOPPY STAGE 3 CAM ON MY 4.8L? CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO WHERE (FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER), WE TESTED ALL FOUR SLOPPY STAGE CAMS ON THE SAME MOTOR ON THE SAME DAY ON THE SAME DYNO. HOW DID YOUR FAVORITE SLOPPY CAM DO?

[@charlesgraham9954]

don't see how this channel isn't in the millions, because Richard will save u money and time on getting the engine u want. i watch listened and built a 410 LS stroker well over 500TQ and pushing 600HP, all from listening to Richard...!!!

[@richardholdener1727]

congrats

[@Born_Stellar]

lol, because no one works on stuff anymore. we are a dying breed, people who work on their own cars.

[@erik120719]

​@@Born_Stellarwe aren't dying , we are getting crippled and broken lol...I still manage to make my hands work for at least 6hrs a day in my shop, not that I NEED the hours in but more to the point of I LOVE what I do. I remember throwing trans and rear ends around by hand, not the cherry picker lifts EVERYTHING but tires for me. I've prolly put a 100 transmissions in on my back in the ground when I was younger, now it'd literally kill me. At least I got my own shop and set my own pace now. I do the jobs I WANT to now so it's a labor of love not a job for necessity anymore

[@ls_812]

I remember when I first decided to try to go work in a shop work on cars... I was talking to my dad about it cuz of course that's what he's done all his life. And I was saying how much I love working on cars and so I'd love to do it for a job. He kindly told me that doing it for a job can we'll take the enjoyment out of it. A lot of times. I no longer turn wrenches for a job but I keep my vehicles and my kids vehicles going which turns into a lot of weekends sometimes. But I love fixing things. And it's easier to fix cars than it is people

[@erik120719]

@@ls_812 agree 💯 but unfortunately I'm stuck in my rut of sore back and arthritis ridden hands lol

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

For those asking... SS3 is 238/242 @ .050, .595" lift on both, 112 LSA.

[@MrPhukyew]

I'm shocked that it fit, I think with the big intake valves on the rec port heads it would probably not fit.

[@MrPhukyew]

Good to know! ​@@slicksloth_416

[@trevorstrauss9978]

​@slicksloth_416 how do you like it? Do it again?

[@Cultofpersonality09129]

@@trevorstrauss9978wayy to big for a street car. I have one in 6.0.

[@mikemichael4960]

@@Cultofpersonality09129 stage 3?

[@tptrsn]

Well damn, my converter grabs at 4k, I might as well throw the SS3 back in! Thanks Richard!!

[@ticojason8868]

I've been waiting on this one for YEARS! I have the SS3 and I love it

[@trevorstrauss9978]

What's the motor ?

[@douglasgarcia2731]

What engine you running?

[@Ninelinegarage]

I've had my eye on the 1.5 for a while now. It will go in a 6.0 LQ4 with 862/706 heads. It should make for a fun street engine in a heavy truck!

[@jordantrujillo293]

Nice! I’m doing the same with the new Sloppy Best Cam in a Jeep XJ on 37s.

[@MrPhukyew]

I've done that exact combo it works really well and you can even run it on stock converter. With good tuning this cam will idle great at 650 and have enough vacuum for anything ya need.

[@Ninelinegarage]

@@MrPhukyew Any idea what your power numbers were? I've been guessing it would make around 460/460.

[@jeffpriest4017]

im running ss2 in 2500hd 706 heads headers great truck motor. tow and play.pull 30 ft camper with lop and no converter its great

[@MrPhukyew]

@@Ninelinegarage at the wheels it would probably be closer to the low 400s or high 300s depending on many other factors.

[@patlandymore7035]

Thanks for orchestrating such a comprehensive test! 👍🏼👍🏼 Awesome info from the best.

[@oldschool6268]

I have done my research over and over, I'm finally about to run a stage one in a LQ4 chevelle with mild boost with a 6 speed(3:55 gears). The stage 2 is to much loss for a manual low compression car, the 1.5 would be great I'm sure, but the pac 1218 springs would be close to there limit. I can't wait for this build to go down !

[@gothicpagan.666]

That motor is becoming legendary. Bit more work and your into 100bhp/Ltr. What else would you do, set or higher ratio rockers?. That was a lot of work in a short amount of time. Had to catch up with the previous upload, at least you managed to stay awake🙂👍

[@richardholdener1727]

please see the 542-hp 5.3l vids

[@gothicpagan.666]

@@richardholdener1727 I'm now left wondering if the BTR cam that gave 542bhp in the other video, had too much exhaust timing relative to the inlet, it doesn't follow what you'd expect as shown by this Sloppy cam test. Perfect test for that 8-1exhaust though 😆👍

[@b00st_SS]

I run the SS3 on a 6.0 with twin vsracing 67/62’s , it’s got ALL the chop at idle!! Hot idle, cold idle, no timing, all the timing, it’s full time CHOP

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

Any time you get over 230 on the intake it is pretty hard to tame the idle no matter what you do. Not that you would want to, but if you did...

[@b00st_SS]

@@cmovezz3192 for N/A, blower or nitrous stage 3 is great, but for turbo it’s not a good choice. Picked up summit stage 2 turbo cam I’ll be installing in the next week or two

[@b00st_SS]

@@cmovezz3192 just using the pac 1219’s I have, summit said the pac 1218’s or 19’s are fine with that cam and the ones I have maybe 1000 miles on them

[@chrism-xe5ku]

I would have liked to hear each cam at an idle for a few moments. Some guys like me aren’t worried about every point of HP or torque. Idle sound!

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

Are you after smooth idle or lope?

[@richardholdener1727]

there is idle in the clips

[@Lagrange1186]

Boooo we ( and when I say we it probably just means me) the best cam too! Thanks for the comparison video sir. Didn’t realize there was a 1.5

[@james10739]

When you went thru 1 thru 3 I was like man to bad he didn't get the 1.5 but then BAM

[@johndishong5083]

Would it be possible to get some idle vacuum numbers for cam reviews. I still like my power brakes.

[@pumpybenis3122]

Get a vaccum pump and canister

[@hondatech5000]

Yes to chassis dyno in the background that was a nice treat 😂

[@gearhead7896]

Finally the SS3! Now do the TN on a LY6 (make sure it has rec port heads)!

[@LionPride-bv9cs]

Re: Yesterdays video I was actually replying to a comment when you took it down, but somebody was asking about the 8711R1 in the 5.3 with the Katech heads. I bet you could get really close to 500 with that with the TBSS on top. Like ti see how it would compare to this and similar 500ishhp combos. Speaking of lower lift and valvetrain stability, I'd be curious to see how the Summit Stage 3 8708R1 faired in comparison.

[@RobsNeighbor]

This is awesome data! Your edits are great!

[@richardholdener1727]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jeffcraven2437]

@@richardholdener1727 Can you explain how advancing and retarding would change their useable powerband RPM ranges please? Thanks in advance…

[@msh6865]

5-7 horsepower or lbs ft torque aren't going to be noticable on the butt dyno. Heads or power adders will. I wouldn't get too caught up in chasing minimal hp gains. Find the appropriate cam for your application and rpm range then build around that.

[@jimmyford796]

Hey Richard another great and informative video for the Chevy guys lol. I’m a Mopar guy but I still enjoy all of your videos. I going to swap a factory 6.4 hemi non mds cam into my 2010 5.7 hemi. It would be nice to see a comparison of the 5.7 and the 6.4 cams. I chose to go this way because I’ve read that it requires no tuning, and the VVT works with both cams.

[@chipcurrey653]

Well the factory engines have a narrow band o2 sensor when defaulting over to speed density (full throttle) and a very small range of possible air fuel adjustment. From looking at my copy of hp tuners for those engines the max range of fuel adder based on O2 sensors is about half a point of air fuel ratio. So you can reverse engineer that if the other camshaft "needs no tuning" the power gains are very, very small or it would create a lean detonation condition.

[@sniperpronerfmods9811]

6.4 is awesome coming from cheby guy

[@boost1728]

Surprised and sad the Best cam wasn’t included

[@james10739]

Ya I was wanting to see a stock cam too but he has all those test you can kinda guess and figure it out possibly do some math and fioit the percentage difference

[@boost1728]

@@james10739of course we can. But that being said we’ve already seen him do other cams extremely similar to those in this video so we could’ve done math to create the entire comparison…. But that’s not the point. As viewers we like to see data. Would’ve been cool to see ALL of the sloppy cams in one video- including the Best. The End

[@ronwest7930]

I couldn't hear the choppy idle. I would like to see torque cams tested. Find the best usable street cams for a big block.

[@chevrolet355]

Im curious what a junkyard motor completely stock minus springs and ss2 and ss3 cam power numbers

[@swfltechnician7562]

Im curious on what max cam could be used with stock pistons on a gen 4 6.0

[@Cultofpersonality09129]

Texas speed repackages the SS3 as the ms3 cam. It’s good on a high compression 6.0. The 1 is a good all around cam, the 1.5 is good if your going to run a converter. Imo. I bought a SS3 because it’s $300 and in a bored 6.0 with good heads and a big of nitrous it can’t be beat imo. As long as you buy a converter.

[@MasterOfSpaceTime]

You have AMAZING dentures dude! Where did you get them? I need to get my 88 year old dad there because your dentures are GREAT! 👍

[@richardholdener1727]

ALL ORIGINAL

[@largesfc]

Would advancing the cam 2-4 deg bring some of the torque back down low?

[@vrm86gt]

Probably not enough piston to valve clearance on those bigger cams

[@stevecobratei8538]

Advance will increase low end torque. Go the other way and you lose torque, but increase high-end HP.

[@Cultofpersonality09129]

Texas speed has this stage 3 cam as their MS3 cam.

[@stephanouellet3673]

Richard can you do stage3 on 6.3 LS3 compare ss2 thanks 💪

[@kirbyswarp]

Richard, have you ever tested if an exhaust with lots of curves and turns affects power vs one that doesn't?

[@johnparrish9215]

Over at Enginemasters they dented the hell out of a set of headers before they could measure a meaningful difference..

[@kirbyswarp]

@@johnparrish9215 I saw that, but in theory velocity of air gets reduced when it has to make turns. I wanted to know If the exhaust has a bunch of sharp curves to get around suspension/gas tank if it would make a difference to flow.

[@richardholdener1727]

don't worry about the flow change, just build the exhaust

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

@@johnparrish9215 strange how that happens, but the dyno shows it to be true. I used to own a car that started life as a 4 / 6 cylinder (same body) and I dropped a SBC in it. The only way to get extractors on it was to weave them between the lower control arms. So they weren't ideal pipes. One of the pipes got a significant flat (maybe 50%) of the pipe diameter hitting the ground over bumps at speed, but it never seemed to make any difference to the power. Looking at it you would have thought otherwise.

[@michaelblacktree]

I'm the type of guy who puts the SS3 cam in a 5.3, for the chop. You gotta have chop. 😛

[@richardholdener1727]

chop chop chop

[@erik120719]

​@@richardholdener1727 I like the natural cam sound vs the chop. I really wanted to go with the ss3 but did the SS2, really need a stall but rolling 40 this thing lites em up when u stand in it. 7400lb monster, has 5.13s now ( going to drop 3/4 ton axles in soon, poor 10bolt rt now gets beat up) , 243s I ported and had decked, 4.8l flat top pistons, SS2 , gen 4 intake , full long tube exhaust, 4l80e. kzbin.infoGWDoB6UFH3Q?si=8mh15DFwg8hA_PMj

[@hayden6056]

Shame the stage 1.5 isn't on a tighter lobe seperation a 108 or 110 would make it a ripper little street cam.

[@hefftoneGA]

Check into the Sloppy "Best"

[@hayden6056]

@@hefftoneGA good looking cam only 1 degree of overlap at .050 still. A 110 would make 2 degrees a 108 would make 6 degrees. Around 5 degrees seems to work pretty well with an LS.

[@omarboone1220]

Totally unrelated but a serious thought: If you had twin turbos, not compound, 1 small to spool quickly & 1 large to make big top end power, how would that work?

[@richardholdener1727]

sequential turbos-works well

[@tri_state_picker]

Any thoughts or videos on doing 5.3 ss2 with tt ?

[@richardholdener1727]

what is you question

[@AnDrEw122100]

Curious how long it takes you to do a cam swap on the dyno mule ?

[@jcanfixall1585]

I love your ear protection... 😂

[@danielochoa9454]

Hi Richard I love your work! Have you tired the even cheaper EBay cam runs around $80 for a stage2 cam or should I go with the Elgin instead. Just feel like it’s made by the same Chinese factory?

[@richardholdener1727]

Elgin is not China

[@douglasgarcia2731]

Hey I have a lq4 with dished pistons I milled the 799 heads .030 and I want to run the ss3 cam would I run into PTV issues? It has a 0.048 crush fel pro HG , correctly sitting at 10:91 compression

[@richardholdener1727]

you need to measure to be sure

[@douglasgarcia2731]

@@richardholdener1727 ok thanks for the feedback I’m hoping to be able to run it without any Issues🙏🏼

[@joshgessinger4509]

So how did these cams compare to say big name cams. Texas speed or BTR cams for example. Do they make comparable HP or is it worth buying a better brand name cam. Good stuff as always Thanks Richard

[@richardholdener1727]

you buy cam specs-not names

[@joshgessinger4509]

@@richardholdener1727 Ya im not really good with specs so ur saying long as the specs r around the same or the same then should be good right. My mind has never been good with numbers have a really hard time remembering numbers. One thing thats always made me feel stupid. Lately a lot of things been making me feel stupid 😂 So long as specs r same as the name brand should be as good then. Thanks Richard.

[@MrBama14nc]

Anyone run the Stage 1 216/220? Looking for recommendations on torque converter.

[@zacharyandrew2653]

How are people’s experience with the Amazon sloppy stage 2 cam and lifter kits ? I hear so much about the experience about the cams but never the lifters that you can get with any of the many cam kits available or any other components that come with them . Would really love to know because I have a 5.3 that I’m trying to decide how I’ll build wether it’s all ls7 lifters and a btr or call it a day at a 500 dollar sloppy stage 2 kit with everything

[@richardholdener1727]

don't buy cheap lifters

[@DarcyPretula]

what are the cam specs on the SS3 Great work

[@richardholdener1727]

595, 238/242, 112

[@stephanouellet3673]

Its my new cam on my Silverado SS 6.0 bored 6.2 ,stage 3 cam replace ss2,new 2'' headers replace 1 7/8,and 3600 stall replace 2500, very impatient to see the difference

[@cmovezz3192]

How you like the stage 3 compared to the 2? I’m building a 6.0 30 over and can’t decide on which one to use. It’s gonna go in a 95 Chevy single cab

[@stephanouellet3673]

I dont finished my motor,i will convert my stage 3 in solid lifters,i will try to complete this summer

[@cmovezz3192]

What made you wanna change from the stage 2 to the 3?

[@ronaldrey8474]

Love to hear the idol x 3

[@JA-xv8qk]

How good do those ebay and Amazon cams hold up?

[@richardholdener1727]

lots of horror stories with those

[@JesusMendozaCovers]

Thankyou!

[@richardholdener1727]

You're welcome!

[@DBSSTEELER]

I think you need to build your own LS dyno mule Richard. Sort of like the Gladiator small block. You could call it the Super Ritchie Mule. 4.125 bore and 4.125 stroke to really show THA GAINZ!

[@cedricwilson2055]

Thing is most aren’t building sbe an head and or cam intake and roll out

[@stlchucko]

Wish you also had a stock cam in there so there was a baseline

[@jcanfixall1585]

You probably wish you understood the video as well...

[@stlchucko]

@@jcanfixall1585 I understood it just fine. If you'd like to post the link to the video of this flat top piston TFS headed L33 with a stock cam so I can compare the curves, that' be great.

[@cedricwilson2055]

@@stlchucko he has a few stock cam baseline videos. They usually start the same down low and roll off earlier, due to the short duration

[@gabelgabel255]

I REALLY NEED AN ANSWER..DID YOU DEGREE THE CAMS

[@richardholdener1727]

why do you really need an answer...but the answer is no

[@aramisnorwood5710]

So you don’t have to degree the cam in ls engines?

[@richardholdener1727]

You can-I generally do not (because most don't-they just swap and go dot to dot)

[@aramisnorwood5710]

Thank you sir. I just ordered a stage 2 for my l92 build and was kinda nervous.

[@hallnvideos8400]

Any info on the sloppy "Best" cam?

[@richardholdener1727]

see the sloppy best cam video

[@WristPinned]

Will the sloppy stage 3 cam have enough valve clearance on a stock Gen 3 5.3 with stock pistons & stock 706 heads?

[@richardholdener1727]

yes

[@WristPinned]

Thanks for the info! Appreciate it. ​@@richardholdener1727

[@trebrown8144]

​@richardholdener1727 what would you have to look out for if you did rich? Any to worry about

[@Ls_swap211]

Wonder what the heads are making vs stock 862/706 heads ? I’m running the ss3 on a lm7 with tbss intake 92mm tb with 862s I home ported my 862 heads but I wonder how far it’s off vs the tf heads he uses

[@richardholdener1727]

these TFS heads are the best I have ever seen, but not sure how much we are utilizing them with a mild combo

[@Ls_swap211]

@@richardholdener1727 so they are probably making what 25-30ish hp over as cast stock heads ?

[@WristPinned]

​@@Ls_swap211Did you have an issue with piston to valve clearance with the ss3?

[@Ls_swap211]

@@WristPinned nope I used a .55 btr gasket

[@Ls_swap211]

@@richardholdener1727 what pushrods did you go with on the shaved heads ?

[@BrassMunkyBallistics]

Brothers i need HEEEEEEEELP! so i have the 08 AFM or DOD blues an its really 🤔 "ticking" me off. My family has actively been in negotiations with the rabbit hole whos responsible for my captivity but to no avail. Yes it misses like a fat kid misses cake. I got the tick out with tranny fluid. And ive watched all kinds of videos and I'm not sure which route to go. Getting the actual kit from summit is not bad..... Lil over 400 for said kit an then 299 for i think? Cam norris maybe.... Then!!!! I bump into amazon sunsacar or whatever slave labor employed commy name it is and thats when my captors traded me to another rabbit hole...... Also i got the whole larking pawl i have to do also. I have the the tools to do whatever is needed .... Thats not the problem.... Which route, which kit, where from and wtf chevy?

[@jacobsmith1800]

Whats the link for the cams u used

[@richardholdener1727]

Summit cam part numbers were provided

[@brian770]

i dont get it, is sloppy the name brand?

[@richardholdener1727]

comes from Sloppy Mechanics

[@hectormurillo646]

What's up, i have a question for my daily ride 5.3 Working on the heads replacing some lifters i realized that i also have to replace this cam and for the price looks like a real good deal but as is for my daily ride i'm wondering if i'm passing smog check using any of this cams ?

[@richardholdener1727]

no idea on legal cams

[@my95chevy]

Can anyone tell me what head gasket to run with 706 head's on a 6.0?

[@richardholdener1727]

run a gasket that fits the 6.0l bore

[@nathanvillarreal7937]

Factory 6.0 headgasket

[@my95chevy]

Thank you guys I've been told otherwise thanks for the confirmation 👍

[@erickbernard8208]

Hey Hey Hey ( Fat Albert voice )

[@hoost3056]

What happened to the techno music?

[@anthonyanderson1479]

His music gets me hype

[@cedricwilson2055]

What happened to the soppy 3 specs is a better ?

[@richardholdener1727]

595, 238/242, 112 for SS3

[@richardholdener1727]

music is licensed

[@stanvalentine1839]

What the las on those? Generally a tight lsa makes more power everywhere.

[@richardholdener1727]

incorrect statement

[@stanvalentine1839]

@@richardholdener1727 that was supposed to be a question mark no a period. Thank you.

[@chadcarter942]

Had the sloppy mechanics stage 2 in my 08 ls4 impala SS didn’t last long. They are soft wiped lobe. 3 weeks

[@Z83t]

What does "soft wiped lobe" mean?

[@charlesleake930]

if you only spent your time trying to get better gas milage ......you would be way up over 150mpg to 200.....

[@richardholdener1727]

no

[@charlesleake930]

@@richardholdener1727 it's not complicated...just different...i can see you are afraid ...no problem Who am i ? well i worked for the IMSA teams Group 44 and Bob Tullius and later the winner of the 1979 24 Hours of Lemans Don and Bill Whittington ...known as the " Whittington Bros " and have been around turbos and race engines probably before you were even born ......anyway ..you have a Happy day Mr Grumpy signed Jay Fox ( Fuel man for the GTO winner of the 1980 12 hours of Sebring )

[@erik120719]

Yeah but wheres the fun of good mile.per.gallon tho? Lol I get smiles per gallon in mine, about 6 mph in town and 14 on highway, I'm not complaining for tire eating power (37s with 5.13s) and 7400lbs...if I was worried about mpg I'd find a Prius, but I do understand your comment, my dad 66 mustang with a 289 get 25mpg WOT or putting around, we def have the technology to get a shot ton more mileage out of gasoline than "they" let us make. Not profitable like that so they gonna shove lithium battery bomb cars down our throat.

[@charlesleake930]

@@erik120719 exactly....these engine can easily get 120 MPG and 0 to 60 in less than 5 seconds .... but it's the taxes they want to steal on the Gasoline...

[@Thumper68]

Putting stage # on cams and any automotive part like a video game is just making our youth less intelligent and not actually have any real knowledge. We have a generation who just want to spit off crap they bought and had someone install in their cars like in a video game. This is also why they don’t have any respect and think street takeovers and elementary school donut crashes into crowds is cool. When you don’t bust your knuckles and gain some real knowledge and appreciation you just don’t care or understand how what your driving works so of course they drive beyond their knowledge and skill making us look bad and ruining what we have.

[@andrewmontgomery1763]

What a rant haha

[@Thumper68]

@@andrewmontgomery1763 I try. Unlike this new generation 🤣

[@andrewmontgomery1763]

@@Thumper68 you’re right, only your generation works hard. Not us millennials and newer, just useless lol

[@Thumper68]

@@andrewmontgomery1763 you don’t know my age don’t be so sure

[@andrewmontgomery1763]

@@Thumper68 I mean, you made blanket statements about younger generations, sounds pretty ignorant. So if you’re a millennial like myself, you’re not the sharpest tool in our generational shed lol

[@troy8940]

I am so glad that you decided to do a story on these 3 cams. I just found out that the 1.5 existed. I brought the sloppy stage 2 and purchased stage one for a milder build, And never heard the stage 3 but I think I may use the 3 in my main build instead of the 2 because it sounds way more radical but Semi tamed the car is not shaking . I'm guessing the 1.5 is for individuals whom don't want to upgrade cylinder heads but they want a little bit of boost in the kubush you know. Once again teacher you've been a great help I truly appreciate you. Thank you. I would have chimed in live with you today but I have to go eat lunch 😊

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

I see no point to the 1.0 when the 1.5 offers virtually everything the same down low and more up top. Unless there is significant feel difference below what the dyno can measure, I'd drop it from the product line up.

[@Go69]

I was previously running the 1.5 but did not know that's what it was called. In my .020" over 6.0L with factory injectors, 799 heads, and gen 3 intake like Richard was running in this video, it was pretty calm.. Then I swapped to the TBSS intake, and 36 lb./hr. injectors along with the SS2, and a home ported set of 706's and it feels like it gained 100HP. It went from a truck that would barely spin the 315's from a dead stop, to a tire frying machine... Literally if I'm rolling along at 30 mph and stomp it, it will kick down to 1st (4L80E) and demolish the tires... pure smoke show... This combo that I have now is what I would call a starting point on all of my future builds. The 1.5 cam was very easy to tune, had just enough lope at idle that it was noticeable, and got decent gas mileage, but the combo in my opinion left a lot on the table. The new set up is night and day power production compared to the old. Oh, also forgot-Nick Williams 92MM throttle body with the new intake. LOTS of parts changed, but the reward was worth it. I got LEGIT Elgin cams-nothing from Sham-a-zon, or Fleece-Bay.. Those china knock off cams are GARBAGE.. several people have tested them and they rarely match the specs they are sold under, and one guy posted results showing the ground the lobes backwards.. STAY AWAY FROM CHINA CAMS and anything else that is internal engine. If you buy trash, it might destroy your engine... Not worth the risk.

[@johnbarksdale4915]

Solid info thanks

[@diem8093]

what website did you get the cam from?

[@Go69]

@@diem8093 My local machinist ordered it for me. I have no idea where he got it. It came in a legit ELGIN box, with the correct part #. Check with your local performance machine shop.. they can get the real ones.

[@swfltechnician7562]

I also have a 6.0 gen 4 and I would like to know would which max cam can I use with stock pistons. (Daily use RCSB)

[@krashanb5767]

1.5 looks like a winner for me. SUV used on streets and offroad.

[@EzekielDominic-x4i]

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[@Ed70Nova427]

Thank you Richard. Great data!

[@11SpeedFreek11]

Would have been nice to see "sloppys best cam" along with the others..mainly since that's what Im running, currently, I also have an SS2 on the shelf..

[@foreignautomobiles]

How would anyone know what the best cam is without knowing the exact specs and usage of your build? That's a very specific thing.

[@richardholdener1727]

Sloppy Best cam is a new cam offered by Matt Sloppy

[@nono-fn3zc]

This is exactly what I was thinking; where the Sloppy “Best Cam”. Richard you tested the Sloppy “Best Cam” a year ago against the Truck Norris. Are you saying there’s another Sloppy “Best Cam” out there :confused?

[@Lagrange1186]

Yes the sloppy best cam is its own cam. Really close to the 1.5 just a fuzz tighter LSA

[@jmflournoy386]

We sold lots of Elgin, Wolverine, Melling and other cams ground by the big 3 "Detroit" production grinders. Their FT HYD and Mech cams are mostly obsolete however the roller cams can't be that old. I'd check the timing for ANY cam, at least check the springs and do new valve stem seals. Many hot rod cam grinders rebox these cams. The seat durations are given in SAE which is .006 at the valve or .004 with a 1.5 rocker so the durations look a little long compared to say Comp cams which gives durations at .006 at the lifter. These cams are designed to be user installed and trouble, they do not "Push" the lifter side loading, i.e.not a winner for heads up racing but great for brackets. Their FT cams may not be the latest masters but still wear well.

[@802Garage]

Hey, Richard. Love your videos! Just wanted to mention the audio on this one was a bit rough. I really couldn't hear the engines idling or running, and then you're talking in between sessions was sometimes loud. Only meant as constructive feedback. I wanted to hear those cams!

[@corceil]

AGREED, it slightly irritated me as well

[@dannyperez2k11]

How much are you guys paying for these junkyard ls engines? And they plentyful in the secondhand market

[@richardholdener1727]

lots in wrecking yards

[@dannyperez2k11]

@@richardholdener1727 any idea what a LS2 would roughly cost? I'm thinking about shipping one over to Ireland

[@erickbernard8208]

Fyi ur doing sloppy central PROUD!!!!! Thank you for ur service lol

[@erickbren8702]

with a 230/230 do I still generate enough vacuum? I am concerned of the extra costs of getting a big cam like a e-break booster or something. Thanks for your help!

[@charlesleake930]

driving down level road at about 50 MPH ....all ... you need to do this is about 20-40 Horsepower......you know this as well as i do.......

[@JohnDoe-ud2cc]

What would be the best cam for a lifted truck and for hauling and towing?

[@stlchucko]

A small one

[@mattgraham1983]

🤔 I wonder how much of a difference a "performance" intake manifold would make to the stage3, I wouldn't expect much maybe tidy up the lower rpm.. great test👍

[@victorboyd4052]

Is there a video with the stage 3 in a gen 3 5.3 and 243 heads

[@richardholdener1727]

I did test the Sloppy Stage 3 cam-that video is up

[@victorboyd4052]

@@richardholdener1727 okay I'll try to find it

[@H1shman]

SS3 in my boat. Only need power from 4500+ and running beehives was needed for marine duty. PTV was close. Can’t imagine with 30 thousands taken off the head!

[@cmovezz3192]

Did u end up with the stage 3 ? How do u like it?

[@douglasgarcia2731]

What’s the setup?

[@drewmurray2583]

how about the fake china sloppy copy?

[@tylertracy8024]

What's the best pac valves for sloppy stage 3 cam ?

[@richardholdener1727]

I have not run PAC springs

[@Ls_swap211]

1219 is what I run with ss3 on a 5.3

[@bowhite1293]

2:55 caught me off guard brah. Shot Dr Pepper out of my nose 😆

[@mattflang-te5om]

Put a ss3 in my 56 Chevy truck, all the chop, kinda soggy down low but turned on .

[@302hobronco]

Did they all share the same lobe seperation?

[@richardholdener1727]

all but the SS1 had 112 lsa, the SS1 had 114

[@Manmac89]

Trying to figure my set up out. I have Lq4 with 317 heads thinking about a ss2. Trying to at least get to 450rwhp but wouldn’t mind more

[@richardholdener1727]

that combo won't get you to 450 whp

[@christophershafer5615]

I would love to see the Truck Norris vs. Torquer V4!

[@justinphillip3200]

How would the sloppy stage 2 camshaft perform with a 5.3 l engine that has 11 to 1 compression?

[@richardholdener1727]

same as it does with any other compression ratio. The compression just adds power to any cam

[@ndemarco2013]

L33 w/ SS3 and M1 please!!!

[@kennygarrett4501]

How streetable is the ss3 in a 3200 # car? 4l80 and 354 gears . Thanks

[@richardholdener1727]

WHAT STALL?

[@djverhulst]

a lot of power for a 4.8 L atmospheric engine

[@richardholdener1727]

this was a 5.3L-please see the 542-hp 5.3l vids

[@redneckrevolt1]

How much fuel do you push through those 80# injectors? Jw if your going all out with the fuel or if the air is limiting the hp

[@richardholdener1727]

plenty of fuel left-we also tested e85

[@WD-sr8qz]

You're the man Richard!

[@dayofleo8550]

Did you need to upgrade valve springs to run that stage 3 cam

[@richardholdener1727]

we already had springs

[@TRX199]

Does anyone know if the ss2 runs well on a 05 Cadillac cts

[@richardholdener1727]

it will

[@adonismoore7938]

Do you think the ss3 would have ptv issues in a lq9 with ls3 heads?

[@richardholdener1727]

yes

[@cryptoredneck8255]

Great comparison!

[@richardholdener1727]

thnx

[@jeremiah_c10]

What about nitrous instead of turbo for that big stage 3 cam

[@richardholdener1727]

not sure we see much unless M1 or M5

[@derekchisholm6602]

What are the power numbers for that engine with a stock cam?

[@richardholdener1727]

less than 400

[@terrymitchell8081]

How would a l92 react to a ss3 cam? do you think it would be a good fit? Also being a bigger cid engine do you think cam timing could help any power loss lower in the rpm’s?

[@richardholdener1727]

the SS3 cam will work on a 6.2L. It will lose power down low-but it has more to start with on a bigger motor.

[@terrymitchell8081]

@@richardholdener1727 thank u for the reply do you think that cam timing could correct any of that or would I run into piston valve clearance issues? I’m only suggesting 4 or so degrees

[@jamesderoche7143]

Hey Richard, great videos!! They're very informative. Quick question, how can I increase low end torque (below 3000 rpm) on an 08 6.0L LS LY6? It's in a 3/4 truck that I tow a 7500lb trailer with. Thanks.

[@l8tapex]

Truck Norris is close.....

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

Boost

[@daveunbranded]

If you follow Richard at all you'll know that you can make more torque by increasing your runner length.

[@acunit1639]

Roots style supercharger

[@stlchucko]

Headers and maybe a small cam with a narrow LSA. Gains below 3k will be minimal. For larger gains down low, it’s either more displacement or boost. Honestly, let it rev. A LY6 makes its peak torque above 3k.

[@srage9188]

Good morning 🐱