I talked to an Apocrypha expert! (Dr. David DeSilva)

[@MAMoreno]

Nice interview. I suppose a mere hour and forty minutes is hardly enough time to explore so many books with much depth, so it might be interesting to revisit some of these Apocryphal texts with scholars (including David deSilva) in the future.

[@BlessedFigTree]

Awesome! Listening to this while working out. I picked up the second edition of his "Introducing The Apocrypha" after your apocrypha video. Been cracking it open as I work my way through the books again. It is fascinating to hear how the environment around biblical scholarship and publication works. He sounds like a positivist historian starting with a historiography at 19:20

[@BlessedFigTree]

1:10:15 lol, thank you.

[@MycoKing]

Today's first reading in the Canadian Roman Catholic Sunday Liturgy, was from Sirach. We do use the Apocraphyl books liturgically in Catholicism and Orthodox!

[@22grena]

Catholics do not use the word Apocraphya. The correct word is deuterocanonical.

[@SaltLight7]

Ooooo. I'd love it if you had a guest who is a Josephus expert.

[@mattwizy]

Enlightening and fun!

[@DiscipleDojo]

That's exactly how I'd describe David! :-)

[@dvancebum]

Great video James-Micheal.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Thanks, man!

[@HafMpty]

FYI ETS = Evangelical Theological SOCIETY not Seminary. At 6:31 you said ETS is Evangelical Theological Seminary. I noticed it on other occasions in other videos too when describing the ETS meetings. Not a big deal of course. Thanks so much for the content. Really love the videos and interviews.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Good catch! I think I'm just so used to ETS being the seminary here in Charlotte that it just slips out accidentally. But yes, it is the SOCIETY not the seminary!

[@ErnestineSantiago]

Awesome information always helps to be able to form your own opinions according to the facts that you have learned and followed with other opinions

[@storyofscripture]

where did you get the shirt?

[@DiscipleDojo]

At the Charlotte campus bookstore

[@storyofscripture]

@@DiscipleDojo oh man I may need you to get me one and send it to NYS lol

[@albusai]

Tobit has a Babylonian ritual . A betasemari ritual. Burning fishes guts to scare demons away is not biblical

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@albusai there's a lot in the Bible that's not "biblical."

[@SibleySteve]

This is a very important interview and I hope it gets traffic. I presented on apocrypha today after receiving David’s book. In speaking to a class of Episcopal confirmands, the priest and I surveyed the canon and addressed the importance of knowing the history of 325 BCE-325 CE to shape the NT. I feel like the prose in the Maccabees could shape an episode of Game of Thrones. The Jewish portion in 2 Esdras contain proto trinitarian texts if accidentally when describing the arrival of the Son of Man from the sea, sent by God Almighty, with the Holy Spirit in the very next chapter, by a Jew writing after 70. Great interview thanks for this.

[@MatthewMcknight]

This was so amazing!! So useful in walking new interested readers through key Apocryphal/pseudoepigraphic writings. This made me think of the Apocrypha like the missing second course to a three course meal, where if all you’ve ever eaten is the first course (OT) and gone straight to the third course (NT), you miss out on the middle course that sets you up for thoroughly enjoying the third.

[@rodrigocostamoura]

Fantastic video, thank you so much! I am still confused though about the difference between apocripha and pseudoepigrapha... Can't an apocriphal book be written by a fake author and thus be regarded as pseudoepigrapha?

[@DiscipleDojo]

Yes. But the Apochrypha refers to a specific collection of books (some of which were pseudepigraphical) that were part of some Churches' canon.

[@cristinareiser5447]

So very informative and helpful!! Great interview, that DeSilva guy is pretty smart. 😉

[@DiscipleDojo]

He knows a thing or two, I hear.

[@JeansiByxan]

This was great. Dr. Desilva seems like a really grounded scholar. Fun to have some banter as well as opposed to just straight interviewing.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Yeah, he's a blast to talk with!

[@michaelharris9694]

So there are 54 full books of the apochrypha correct?

[@davethinkingsystems]

Really interesting. 3 years for a book - wow. Saying that the amount of work that went into it was amazing.

[@joest.eggbenedictus1896]

SBL = bookstore heaven

[@DaviddeSilva]

The main reason I keep going. :)

[@RepentNBelieveNJesus]

So are you a part of the UMC? The denomination that supports ordaining LGBT and same sex marriage

[@DiscipleDojo]

Who are you asking?

[@PM-hh9ur]

I love deSilva’s writings & also love how relatable and humble he is in person.

[@dalecaldwell]

Dudes! I loved the video, but the apocryphal books are part of the canon of the church.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Which books and which church? ;-)

[@dalecaldwell]

@@DiscipleDojo Ah, yes. The Anglicans have a longer list than the Romans, and the Eastern Orthodox and the Coots have slightly different lists. But the Church from before the here I! stand have included them, as you well know.

[@cpnlsn88]

If we are honest the canon comes to us and is made at an earlier point in history. We don't revisit it in each generation. For both Testaments and for Christians and Jews doubts have been expressed about books included in the canon. Jerome came up against this when he chose to translate from Hebrew to Latin and expressed that those books not found in Hebrew but in the Greek (he coined the term Apocrypha) and Luther and the Church of England connected up with Jerome's opinion. Augustine favoured using the Greek Septuagint for the Old Testament which uncontroversially retains the Apocrypha. Jerome and Protestants translated from the Hebrew using the Masoretic Text but the earliest manuscripts for this are fairly late and in some cases the Septuagint can represent an alternative, possibly older reading. In any case the earliest Christians used the Greek Old Testament. Jerome went to enormous lengths to recover knowledge of Hebrew and access Hebrew manuscripts. I of course honour his discipleship and scholarship but I can see the wisdom of Augustine's view of continued reference to the Septuagint which was the earliest text used by Christians. The Apocrypha should be made available to believers if they want to read it. I agree with Martin Luther's view. They are useful and good to read.

[@22grena]

@@DiscipleDojo The Church funded by Christ: the Holy Catholic Church

[@Th3Sil3nc3Within]

As a seeker of knowledge which apocrypha version is the best with the bible in the chronological order I see different numbers of how many books there are just a bit confusing

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@Th3Sil3nc3Within there is no set agreement on the order or the total number of Apochrypha books. It depends on which church tradition one is part of.

[@Th3Sil3nc3Within]

@@DiscipleDojo are the apocalyptic books not worth reading

[@Glittersp]

This was great! Thank you!

[@joest.eggbenedictus1896]

Oh never thought to approach Hebrews with Honor and Shame, and Im an honor and shame guy. Nor patronage. Purity language and cult, inside-outside group language, sure... but not honor/shame.

[@DaviddeSilva]

I wove a lot of this into my 2000 commentary, Perseverance in Gratitude (Eerdmans); you might also appreciate the "digest" of my dissertation that I released with Cascade in 2012, "The Letter to the Hebrews in Social-Scientific Perspective."

[@DaviddeSilva]

The interview is over, but I'm still plugging my publications. :)

[@joest.eggbenedictus1896]

@@DaviddeSilva @DaviddeSilva Oh excellent! Ive been out of the academy since moving from Atlanta to Florida in 2016, so the plugs help. While we are plugging, by the way, if you ever get over to my channel, and go to Bible Study playlist you'll see a mutlivideo study on Romans. Applied honor and shame for intro, and chs. 1 and 2. You might enjoy it or need it if suffering from insomnia.

[@ArleneAdkinsZell]

Oh I found all the missing items, they are in the septuagint, not as additions but as original text.

[@JesusIsKing373]

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[@Guguchina]

Thanks for this video very helpful! Ive read a few of the apocrypha because I study early medieval monasticism (mainly England): many of these works such as Judith and the Maccabees were used by monastic authors. But its so helpful to hear more about what they actually are! They arent scary and they were very influencial to the first and medieval christians.

[@SeanRhoadesChristopher]

The Book of Sirach (/ˈsaɪræk/)[a] or Ecclesiasticus (/ɪˌkliːziˈæstɪkəs/; abbreviated Ecclus.)🙏🏽🖖🏽🕊🫀

[@youngrevival9715]

I’m surprised he didn’t mention gordan fee Galatians commentary. He mention gordan fee and Galatians. Maybe it’s assumed he read his

[@ArleneAdkinsZell]

I have an apocrypha that I refer to from time to time, but I noticed that the books are not all the same as what yall discussed , how do I know if the one I have is not accurate? I thought it was a reputable source, but now I am not certain.

[@22grena]

The authority of the Catholic Church

[@JeansiByxan]

That cruise sounds amazing. Is it possible to join from Europe?

[@DiscipleDojo]

I think so. Link is in the description.

[@cecilly59]

SBL?.

[@DiscipleDojo]

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[@GuideMyFeet]

What about the book of enoch?

[@GuideMyFeet]

It seems to be consistently left out of the Apocrypha.

[@GuideMyFeet]

Same with Jasher and jubilees.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Enoch is part of the Pseudepigrapha, not the Apochrypha.