I second all of that. Got the stock neutron Detour recently. Loved it from the first throw. Most comfortable mid range ive ever held and easy to throw. On my normal throws it goes very straight with a slight flip up. Power up on it and it turns and glides forever and if it has enough air space it gets back to flat at the end. Great disc. If they release other plastics in the future im considered taking out other mids and just having multiple detours in different stages of wear.