Disney Debate Critical Drinker On Piers Morgan & Get Nuked

[@dabadshoes8658]

The fact that The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic were able to debate about why disney has been failing on Piers Morgan's show. Really goes to show how much of a legend those two are! 😃

[@thejessegrant]

The Drinker really is doing big things

[@StandardName562]

@@thejessegrant Absolutely, I agree. He is really making a difference I believe.

[@davfree9732]

Time and holding the line against cancel culture has allowed these two, to bring the consumer perspective to the mainstream. Activists have been working to sever the connection between industry and consumer. This is a welcome first step, but it needs to be maintained and grown so that reason and logic... Not to mention honest opinions of consumers rule what drives industry again.

[@andreeacrisan8233]

Legends… yeah 👍 don’t get me wrong, they are absolutely right in their statements, but ever asked yourself why they get that much attention, viewers and fame? Because “hate pays more than love”… Jessie here on the other hand was nothing but constructive critical of both form and substance, of art, cinematography, storytelling etc…. 😢 Yet the legend is Drinker because he enrages the “modern audiences”

[@temperedglass1130]

Or becoming mainstream useful puppets

[@knowledgeseeker4614]

To be fair, Disney seems familiar with these critics. They probably only wanted to get one Disney representative embarrassed rather than multiple.

[@thejessegrant]

Ahahaha

[@Kahnovitch]

Anyone who represented Disney would have exactly the same talking points, perspective and ideology. More than one Disney rep would be just two drones repeating the same script.

[@BBBrasil]

@@Kahnovitch which really is a reflection of their talent diversity and professional capabilities right now

[@LucianDevine]

@@BBBrasil Well, it has nothing to do with capabilities, given the fact that they'd force them to work off of the same script, as opposed to Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic who can actually form and voice their own thoughts and opinions.

[@MaticulousGamer]

that's exactly what it was lol Disney is pathetic

[@thumperjdm]

So, during this debate, the first strategy of the Disney spokesperson is to throw-down the Race Card? Brilliant.

[@stormcutter59]

Were you expecting any other way?

[@aitoluxd]

​@@stormcutter59 damn 😂

[@landenroberts6710]

@@stormcutter59true 😅 it’s like their whole marketing strategy

[@Drak976]

Of course. At this point if they send out a diverse person I assume they're like the sacrificial lamb bringing bad news and then if you don't like the news yes you must not like that person because reasons. It's very transparent.

[@Shin_FTW]

Good to show which side they lean. "To the left to the left"

[@timdavis6913]

How ironic that he has a book titled "The case for cancel culture" behind him because I personally have canceled Disney!

[@thejessegrant]

Ahahahahaha

[@BarefootPeasant]

@timdavis6913 Even more that he wrote the book himself, and has it there to promote it. Hey Karma, if you're out there...

[@1stAmendmentorDie1776]

He is also clearly gay.

[@treyriver5676]

D- problems are well summed up by to many projects to little talent in writing and production and mostly a wish to tell stories that are narrow cast and expecting broad appreciation by paying public.

[@TheVagolfer]

Ernest is a perfect "spokesperson" for Disney...Gay, untalented and defensive. He's a microcosm of Disney.

[@CollaredConsulting]

Buying a ticket to any Disney put money in that idiots pocket. How can any normal person do that?

[@shevankaseneviratne1724]

@TWDub Based. I agree with critical drinker on everything abt forced diversity espescially in folklore and historical films but theres alot of right wing bigots in the same room as CD.

[@porakiyadraekojin3390]

​@TWDubto counter your argument, Ian wasn't hired because he was gay, while Ernest most likely was hired because he was gay

[@GuyWithZen459]

Is Being Gay supposed to be a bad thing now?? Your point is already moot

[@TheVagolfer]

@@GuyWithZen459 No one said it's a bad thing, your insecurities are showing. I was referencing how appropriate it is for him to represent Disney because everything they do is identity casting.

[@Jonathan_Collins]

Disney used to touch our hearts, now they touch us inappropriately.

[@DemBigOlEyes]

True. My wallet and I feel molested everytime a new Disney movie comes out.

[@davfree9732]

This comment is viral... And that's telling how much Disney has ticked off the audience.

[@TheBastardWombatKing]

Lol! Touchin my last nerv, too!

[@watergirl929]

I’m seeing this comment in every video I watch

[@RandomWandrer]

I wouldn't go that far. But I do have to pre watch Disney films before showing them to my kids. It's not just "woke" or whatever. They also encourage awful mindsets. There's believing in yourself (generally good) and then there's being born perfect and smart and strong, with no effort or failing or mistakes, and having to force the world to acknowledge that you're already totally developed and don't need no man/parents/teachers/other perspectives. I dont like this messaging. I dont like Disney telling my daughter that she doesn't need to work on herself, and I dont like Disney telling my son that he's a clown, and he may not tell girls when they are wrong because = mansplaining = bad.

[@piperian3962]

Critical Drinker is a genuinely smart man that can make these points without resorting to catch phrases. It should have been 3 Disney reps against him.

[@MeatSim64]

Yeah and to stick it to people who think he can't write. He makes novels and even made a movie! Pretty much proved them wrong. And I respect him for that.

[@harbl99]

Ironic, considering the number of catchphrases he's coined. ("Believe that!")

[@JBzucc]

I think he's kind of become a parody of himself, just feels like sometimes he among others really try and tear something down when there isn't really any sjw pandering going on in it, it's like they all see one thing that would be considered progressive in the eyes of all these youtubers and they just lay into it and act like it's the worst thing ever made, like I say someone say diversity isn't bad but it's when diversity is the main plot then it is bad, yet so many shows or movies that have nothing to do with diversity have been shit on because of its diverse cast, so instead of targeting something that is actually trying to be "woke" they just target everything as that being the main and sole reason for it being shit while making really bad arguments to why the plots shit when it's really not

[@MeatSim64]

@@JBzucc The Woke stuff is so blantant and in your face is hard to ignore. IIRC the OG trilogy didn't shove it in your face and say "Hey we're straight! We're white people too!". But at least Leia was strong in her own right flaws and all. She even shows up her love interest in Return of the Jedi. No pandering? Are you serious? It's right in your face. "Lesbian coven of witches. Two of them 'made' a child by the power of...the thread." So tough shit Annie and George, you weren't the only one with an unnatural birth, and both women made a life via scissoring, and your force is now called said 🧵 deal with it. One of the actresses of that Coven talks about patriarchy and many other sexist terms. So they're signs of SJW stuff you just refuse to see it. A blind man could see better than you. The plot *is* objectively bad. The twins kept their hairstyles for all these years, the good one was accused of her twin sister's crimes even when she was eons away at that time. Carrie Ann Mon Mothma dies due to a dagger when women in the other shows had a light saber shoved through their stomachs and some how survive. Who in the hell as an assassin comes up to their target and say "attack me"?! And a stone structure some how gets easily burned down? And flames emitting out in the vacuum of space. Wanna hear more?

[@toucan2227]

​@@JBzuccexcept he didn't shit on Arcane, which has multiple "woke" characters but they are well written, make sense, and the story is great. Meanwhile he shat on the recent furiosa movie, and his analysis had nothing to do with wokeness - just that this prequel is ill-timed and unnecessary. So, clearly, your strawman isn't true. He doesn't necessarily attack something for being woke, nor does he always praise something for not being. In the end, most movies that rely on political activism instead of focusing on being a movie are bad, so it's not a surprise that most bad movies he reviews posess those characteristics. It's the same with those christian movies - they're not bad because they're christian movies, but instead because they rely on the religious message instead of having an actual plot.

[@angieoxford7092]

Diversity is not the problem in a movie. Diversity AS THE STORY is the problem with “diverse” movies.

[@Flugs0]

Yes, it's not the fact that movies include diversity and inclusion that's the issue, it's the fact that the writers don't focus on anything else but that.

[@OtterloopB]

Diversity can be a problem when you go too far with it. Perversion and depravity don't need representation.

[@ShaneDouglas713]

EXACTLY

[@Ambusher1st]

Well, the same people pushing for "diversity" are the same people that harp on about "racism," constantly. They say it's bad to treat someone a specific way or give them certain things because of their race, except whites of course, but will push for people of specific skin colors to be in certain things and be given certain things simply because of that skin color. Once you realize that these people's ideology is nothing more than a hilarious set of contradictions, then it makes it much easier to deal with them. They are not good people, 9 times out of ten.

[@nyelevett1697]

Very well summarised 👏🏻

[@jondoe22575]

They sent in a catty gay black man? So disney

[@grimuk3817]

So Disney put forward a clearly gay individual, who rolls his f eyes when others talk? And I'm 3 mins in ...

[@BigChungus-gz9vw]

Fr that dude was a joke

[@TheRenofox]

They must have thought him being black and gay would nullify all criticism outside Disney like it does inside.

[@epgamer1145]

He even looks gay. It’s just so odd that that you can just tell before he speaks.

[@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233]

A German Punk Band made a Song which put it best, which translates to : Even disabled black Lesbians can be a-holes.

[@savaget2058]

This "Disney" rep literally is advertising a book titled "The Case For Cancel Culture" 🤦🏻‍♂️ Hard to take anything he has to say as genuine and insightful.

[@azzy9293]

Immediately saw that and knew this guy had nothing to say worth hearing

[@joak9992]

I'd be surprised if someone from Disney HR didn't design the office he was in.

[@BroadMeadow-d9s]

Disney is trying to sell New Coke and is unwilling to go back to the original recipe. Imagine the Coca-Cola company in the 80's trying to shame their customers into buying a product they don't like instead of going back to what was popular? That would have been a disaster, but that does seem to be Disney's business strategy.

[@nasherowdey2618]

Cause it's not about entertainment. It is the deliberate and controlled demolition of our collective escapism.

[@CorruptDemocratsJ6]

coke has always been trash anyway. stop drinking high fructose corn syrup poison and ultra processed garbage. eat healthy, work out, fight leftoids, activists and corpos

[@rickbase833]

So much this. Back then, companies handled a failure such as new Coca-Cola by addressing the issue quickly and decisively. I was once a salesman at a department store and the company promoted this thing above all else......Customer Service......even to the point that the store would take back merch that had been used thoroughly for years....and refund the money. It wasn't something that happened often, but it created a fiercely loyal base of shoppers and great word of mouth.

[@ChimpingBulldog]

Coca Cola knew what they were doing though. Relaunch Coke as Classic Coke to boost flagging sales.

[@Scar_117]

This is huge, the fact that even Morgan identifies that Disney is dog ass on a LIVE WIDELY-VIEWED piece of media. We went from youtubers broadcasting to a youtube audience to a WORLD WIDE audience. But will this open Disney's eyes?? I'll bet both my nuts that no, it wont.

[@DemBigOlEyes]

I would bet your nuts on it too.

[@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese]

NAHHHHH

[@silverfoalan9045]

If they do end up opening their eyes, (Which I doubt) I'm taking both those nuts

[@kokuutou92]

Yeah I think you get to keep your nuts too

[@mikeguilmette776]

The stockholders - who are sick of losing money - will force Disney's eyes open.

[@derkaiser420]

It is funny because right after this happens Disney announces a female led Silver Surfer Fantastic Four movie. Another massive flop.

[@Mainframev76]

Put a female in the lead & make her gay!!!

[@gaetanhillion8342]

At least it's not a bait and switch this time ^^.

[@KKarama1]

i mean female in silver spandex... im not complaining

[@Drak976]

@@KKarama1 The last silver surfer movie was so boring and it even had Jessica Alba and she couldn't save it. Fantastic Bore more like see what I did there.

[@wrongtime9097]

This genuinely makes no sense. The Fantastic Four movies fucking SUCK. Why, after revisiting the franchise, would they make such a needless & controversial change?

[@hansmemling2311]

This Disney representative really had a condescending attitude. His scoffing reactions are a thorn in my sight.

[@Springfield_Duck_Sammich]

"side"

[@higado2]

And of course, he is likely geh too, judging by his voice!

[@BroadMeadow-d9s]

Back in the 80's, Coca-Cola made New Coke, and it was a failure, so the company admitted its mistake and went back to the old recipe. Disney isn't willing to admit they've gone astray. They think they can shame people into buying their New Coke even though people don't like it. Won't work.

[@ShaneDouglas713]

He's a Bob Iger Yes Man

[@hansmemling2311]

@@Springfield_Duck_Sammichthanks, english isn't my first language. I had no idea it was side.

[@TheVagolfer]

When you are sycophantic towards 10% of the population, how do you expect your "message" to be universally identifiable? When a film has so little you can relate to, the perpetual proselytizing turns it into two hours of Charlie Brown's parents talking to you - "Wa wa...,wa wa wa."

[@ShaneDouglas713]

EXACTLY

[@SnyperMK2000JclL]

You are being a bit too kind on that percentage... 10% is hella high, it's more like they are hyper focused on 0.01% of the USA population and 0.0001% of the world population.

[@williamerickson520]

@@SnyperMK2000JclL That’s exactly what I was going to say.

[@cpuuk]

A well known British Director once confided in me that when he went looking for financial backing, he crunched the numbers and asked for a reasonable sum of money from backers. The backers wouldn't give him the time of day. When he inflated it 10x times, only then they would talk to him. Madness. And this is reason why you don't get 10x $10M films, but instead 1x $100M film.

[@meeko1026]

Christopher Nolan?

[@____uncompetative]

Gareth Edwards, who went to my Art College.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

It's because investors want a significant return on their investments to pay shareholder dividends. That's why they want exponential growth of profits.

[@markmunroe-hz8rf]

She Hulk had flaws in the comics, luckily a superhero and lawyer, but unlucky in love. At one time, she was an alcoholic. That said, Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic are the new Siskel and Ebert. Thanks guys. We need you, and you Jesse Grant.

[@DarthP1kachu]

she also had a reputation for being a bit of a sl*t (sk*nk, easy or whatever you wanna call it).

[@myterryflap8126]

Of course Disney picks a representative the checks all their boxes a gay black man seriously

[@soulreaper1977]

Well he needed to have no legs and that would check all those "boxes"

[@myterryflap8126]

@@soulreaper1977 you lost me 🤷

[@soulreaper1977]

@@myterryflap8126 let's take for exemple Echo, she wasn't black or gay, was handicapped and deaf so those checked. What I meant is that the grocery list of them is much more filled than black or gay, much much more shit there 😂

[@soulreaper1977]

@@myterryflap8126 hope that helps you understand whet i was going for sorry 😅

[@katemaloney4296]

The studios have to have budgets that high because there is no other way they can cover up their money laundering schemes without it.

[@rockmaster159]

It's too bad that Disney will ignore all this criticism and continue to pretend the problem is the fans and will refuse to look inward.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

WE ARE NOT HERE BECAUSE OF SHE-HULK! She is simply the face of your failure, Disney. *John Wick: Chapter 4 reference*

[@alexman378]

“The declining box office, is merely an echo of our remaining patience”

[@ShaneDouglas713]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@MisterHughes]

The Disney apologist having a book deliberately turned-out cover first on their bookshelf called "The Case for Cancel Culture" tells you everything about them.

[@Deathmageddon]

Imagine hiring someone with “The Case for Cancel Culture” prominently displayed in their office to represent you in the press.

[@jeniferclemente1252]

I think that their “Disney Representative” has been seen when he “debated” on the Netflix “Cleopatra documentary” against an Egyptian/expert in archeology for his own culture. He wrote the book behind him (not advertising, I’m sure..🙄) He’s the weakest person to make an argument about anything. But he’s a real representation of Disney’s state of mind XD

[@rcrawford42]

Really? That guy argued against documented history? In favor of identity politics?

[@jeniferclemente1252]

@@rcrawford42 yeah, I remember he rolled his eyes to the historian as if to say, “I don’t care what you know about your own culture” the amount of disrespect was very unprofessional and just plain rude. He wouldn’t even let him finish and the man said very respectfully, “let me finish” and waited for him and piers to shut up and let him speak.

[@gamedude412]

If they were good stories there wouldn’t be fatigue. No one has ever stated “ There too many great stories”

[@Drak976]

I did in the 1990s. I wanted to see every good movie but it was literally impossible because so many good movies came out so fast.

[@MrJackal00]

"You cannot win, Anakin. I have the high threadcount" said Obiwan, slowly caressing the cashmere shawl

[@yodasecondave]

At what point does Disney just hire the drinker to supervise story development?

[@markkenny2001]

I watched The Critical Drinker talking to Piers Morgan.

[@thejworks07]

He was the most respectful of the bunch

[@Austin-sw3mf]

Good for him, I guess? Piers Morgan fell off years ago, so it's not that impressive.

[@thejonathan130]

Black Panther and Get Out were only well recieved because people were still scared of being called racist for disliking garbage.

[@azzy9293]

What are you talking about? Black Panther had a damn good story and get out was a genuinely entertaining watch. You didn't like them and that's ok but that doesn't mean they weren't good movies and no one said they were good because they don't wanna be racist, they said they are good because they are good. Claiming no one disliked them because they were afriad of being called racist is actually racist in of itself because it tokenizes the fuckin movies

[@sjalusi1]

@@azzy9293Get Out tokenised itself, and was racist. Evil white people being a metaphor was so bad and just not reality. Also, there is plenty of discourse online where any opinion other than lauding it has been labeled as “racist”

[@thejonathan130]

@@azzy9293 Get Out is anti-white propaganda. Black panther had basketball, drugs, rap, and gang signs in the opening scene. Don't talk to me about tokenization you ignoramus.

[@murrayroodbaard207]

Guys, this Disney representative has a book PROMINENTLY displayed behind him that says "The Case for Cancel Culture." That is all you need to know about that guy, and Disney.

[@mfo6892]

For me, this represents a huge shift in media, top to bottom communication being replaced by peer2peer communication. Out with the mainstream, in with the indie. Proud of these guys for sticking to their guns even if I don't agree with everything they say.

[@BowsettesFury]

Disney has had enough to say in the passed 10 years we know their thought process, their stance, and how they groom children.

[@JUGGERNAUT____]

She Hulk had the potential to be a Law&Order-esque Marvel bonanza. Instead we got an entitled MarySue that tells the Hulk he doesn't understand rage because he's never been catcalled 😂😂😂

[@michaelwirth6843]

Jesse Grant often simplifies the issues. He says: "Diversity doesn´t make a film bad or good it´s the quality of the story that matters." Yes but if an actor is chosen merely because she is a woman or black then the quality of the acting probably isn´t as good as it could have been. And it´s the same for the writers, the directors, and so on. So when diversity is your main goal and you have a good story the result is probably shitty.

[@billjacobs521]

Yes, I agree, but he's not wrong either--the RESULTS of the diversity are the problem, not the diversity. You can't ignore the cause, no, but you also can't ignore the consequences either, or else you actually come across like you just don't want gay people in media or whatever.

[@michaelwirth6843]

It's really simple just chose the best actors, writers and directors no mather of their gender, race and sexuality.

[@Buri8128]

Meritocracy culture has been a winning concept since stone age.

[@Xaito]

Lol - dudes hand the disney guy the bullet point list of things to fix to get their content watchable again and he just sits there rolling his eyes like a defiant child.

[@meowmeow1733]

It's nice (to me) to see one of the faces of evil....one of the demons that work behind the scenes at Disney.

[@tanishambrowne1137]

That Ernest is way out of it. Its clear hes so deluded in his woke mind.

[@BarefootPeasant]

By the looks of things, the possibility of being a "useful idiot" has clearly never occurred to him.

[@KennethBlum-sl6rx]

But, but, Black Panther! Same old shyt.

[@Zibit21]

The guy from Disney gave just the kind of brain-dead excuse that we could expect 🙄

[@gamerkingdom1442]

Mad props for CRIT DRINKER and NERDDROTIC!! It really shows how far they’ve gone by being in Piers Morgan’s show!! And yeah, THERE 100% RIGHT!! Disney has become a woke puppet that’s destroying themselves in their madness!

[@BAM5636]

It's "their" not "there" lol. Also, no one who matters actually cares about YT rage click videos like these two clowns. Hence why they appear with the likes of Morgan.

[@yaaninja]

I remember being exited for she hulk show, liked her in comics and animated shows Hulk, Avengers even spiderman then they make woke trash far from the literal strong female character she once was

[@juanhoyos7793]

Anybody noticed the book in the background "The Case for Cancel Culture"?...😀

[@Adipod47]

They very likely know that their views and approach simply don't hold up to scrutiny

[@CFCMahomet]

What Disney is unwilling to understand is that the quality of story is the main problem. The critics are not against them, but for them, by holding them accountable to a higher standard.

[@zeno6111753]

Love that these guys get to reach out to the rest of the world, beyond YT that is.

[@thejessegrant]

100%

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

Seeing CDs eyes after years of sunglasses is…unsettling

[@vonzellable]

I enjoy the Critical Drinker and I used to enjoy Nerdrotic. Most importantly I really enjoy your insight. Good job pointing out their good points as well as your own.

[@thejessegrant]

Thank you! I try to be as fair and honest as possible! No political side just on the side of good movies

[@Duendito]

@@thejessegrant yes, and that’s how it should be. Keep it up.

[@Schmidt54]

Disney basically is so broken, the only argument they are making is ad hominem.

[@dokushi]

Into the spider verse is, theoretically, the most diverse marvel product to ever come out bcs theres not only multiple spidermen, but they all also could bebdifferent skin colors, different races, and different religions. But again, the story was the main point of it, which made it successful So it's so weird how they keep failing when there's multiple bases for them to go off from

[@ndowroccus4168]

Critical drinker has weight, because drinker got conviction and wants to love the shows & movies

[@martin1377]

The Disney bloke rolling his eyes, speaks volumes about his character!

[@prezzeruk4054]

Walt disney will be turning in his grave, cuz of wat those fools have done to his company. Its shamefull. We all loved disney stuff as kids. But it got to corporate and too political for its own good. Shouda stayed in its lane!!

[@BoberFett]

The Disney simp has the book "The Case for Cancel Culture" on full display. Opinion discarded.

[@josiahmick1175]

they are trying to thread the moving target needle of DEI algorithms and it's ends up like the diversity video at work

[@itrasheditgood]

Why do the movies have to be so frigging long? There are so many movies that you spend more time looking at your watch than the screen.

[@pfffetc6149]

🙄

[@MrMacavity]

Disney used to stand for quality and fantasy and amazing adventures. Then something dark infested them.... Now they're a shell of their former good wholesome self.

[@re9246]

Movies are supposed to an escape, not a continuation of your daily life.

[@pfffetc6149]

😪💯

[@MichaelPohoreski]

Indeed. *Movies are supposed to be FUN. If I wanted to be preached at I’d go to church.* The classic 80’s and 90’s movies were fun first. Even ST:TNG showed how to respect your time and mind without being preachy.

[@maxis2k]

The way the Disney representative just shakes his head and smirks the whole time the others are talking points out what the real problem is. The people inside the bubble don't want to debate. They think they're better than everyone else and can just deflect any criticisms. That works on MSNBC when your audience is also in the echo chamber and don't want to hear contradictory opinions. But it just comes off as condescending and elitist everywhere else. And these people are running Disney. So even if some people in Disney like say the CEO or some shareholders are willing to concede that things are going in the wrong direction, these people swoop in and try to get them cancelled. I mean, the guy literally has a book behind him praising cancel culture. And you know he has it there so that the Disney producers and executives he's on a zoom call with will see it and get intimidated. That's the point we're at now. The woke consultants are running Hollywood.

[@mechasentai]

Disney execs basically sent a human sacrifice out there so they could shrug off it off, say it's not an inportant interview, and not have anyone with a recognizable name get owned in a way people will make a bigger deal about it.

[@6RingzDaLacKing]

They just need to get the gay shit and over Powered girls out the movies, stay as true as possible to the comics.

[@wrongtime9097]

They'll never do that. How else would they get the funding from BlackRock to keep up with their $30 bajillion budgets?

[@bobsmith5185]

Get Out was completely ridiculous & lecturing. It was marketed to audiences that want such a lecture, however, instead of to an audience that wants fun action movies.

[@Dina_tankar_mina_ord]

Its been clear for a long time that these (stories) never been about the charachter at all. Its all about the revenge on popular franchises dissguised as equaliy presented as beloved fandom.

[@super_morto]

They killed Star Wars, thats some feat.

[@adamshalashaska5698]

they handled themselves very well. They are the new the leaders of new media on youtube right now.

[@nekad2000]

I wish we'd stop giving Disney advice and just let them crash. The only way anything will change is for them to hit Rock bottom.

[@aleksander300]

lol the guy with the cancel culture book highlighted on his shelf. lmao

[@alexman378]

He looks and sounds exactly like someone who would be eating the hell out of that book

[@Ryoufriggingserious]

The guy for Disney has a hopeless case of the woke mind virus.

[@wholetyouinhere]

This analysis is inadvertently touching on Critical Drinker's biggest problem: he refuses to attribute the failure of modern media directly to leftism. His implication is always that there's a correct way to propagandize the audience; if leftist activists were only more clever, more subtle, and more capable, then he would take no issue with their messaging. In reality, it is the leftist worldview itself that is directly at odds with quality storytelling. Feminism has given us the girl boss characters who shatter our suspension of disbelief and flatten our character arcs. Critical Theory brought us the anti-Western values of moral relativism, which has manifested as widespread subversion in media. Racial identity politics have injected tokenism and strife everywhere you look. These KZbin critics continue to characterize the decline of entertainment media as predictable product of incompetence, but that's simply not the case. Leftist ideology is fundamentally incompatible with quality narrative design. The sooner people realize this, the sooner we can go about fixing it.

[@SlushyGem]

While I agree, they probably couldn't say "Leftist Ideology." In a video without getting canceled by Twitter

[@KAZVorpal]

No, if they were sufficiently well-made, fatigue wouldn't be a major issue. "Fatigue" is a retconned explanation for failures that are primarily driven by other, real issues.

[@TheNewCap]

Id like to see the original debate. Jesse can you post the link?

[@phoenix211245]

Its on the piers morgan's channel, quite recent so should be at the top

[@ocarinaplaya]

The identity politics in Black panther wasn't as bad because it fit the geographical and pseudo-historical setting. Unlike many other projects where the inclusion of black people don't fit and becomes a distraction and breaks immersion (like beauty and the beast in a puritan village of 1500s france).

[@AndragonLea]

At this point I AM judging a movie when the trailers, interviews and reveals focus on diversity and inclusion. I didn't for the first twenty odd stinkers, but even an old dog can learn a few new tricks if he's been led by the nose long enough. Pointing out that diverse movies were box office successes says nothing because they weren't necessarily successful BECAUSE of diversity (nor despite of it, in all fairness). As in all products, its a mix of features that make a great movie and for too long Hollywood thought they could get away with substituting almost all of the award winning ingredients with more diversity and coast on by. I'm sick and tired of it so if a movie is advertising in this way I'm no longer willing to fork over money for a movie ticket in the vain hope that this time will be different. I'll wait for news that they mended their ways. Maybe then I can go to the cinema again and be confident I won't feel disappointed in myself for supporting the business.

[@bushrglobalists8742]

Everything woke turns to The Last Jedi. KK should have been fired immediately. It just goes to show how little a typical CEO/Exec knows about anything.

[@mortifinkenbein9559]

I don't see the need to discuss anything with Disney. If they want to continue their choosen path of wokeness, they will have to live with the consequences and those will be dire. BTW: Did anyone here buy a piece of Disney's Star Cruiser Hotel they now sell off piece by piece? 🤣

[@wolfpacksix]

Here is the flaw with a lot of this thinking... No, ideology is not the ONLY aspect involved in story-telling, but it is a very important one. It would not matter from an audience's POV if the ideology were horrendously offensive and unacceptable if the story were "otherwise" well crafted: no one who objects to the ideology would watch it to be entertained. It's like saying, "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" Ideology matters. You can't stick lipstick on a pig and fool the audience into believing that the pig is a super-model. The problem with modern storytelling since, say, 2019-ish is, yes, the fact that the stories themselves aren't engaging. The characters are poorly crafted, their actions and consequences don't always seem to harmonize, the dialogue tends to be unengaging, and so on. But even if they were Shakespearean-level quality, if wouldn't overshadow the clear "woke" ideology that modern movie-makers are still trying to foist on the audience.

[@barackobama9343]

Black Panther was MEDIOCRE AT BEST... it had PRIME placement in the MCU timeline and was JUICED HARD by the media!

[@gsmollin2]

Yes, there was little new in BP. He was a Frankenstein composite of all other MCU characters. (Cpt. America vibranium shield, BP vibranium suit. Thor lives in secret city, BP lives in secret city, etc.) and he follows a generic story arc.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Exactly. Totally overrated

[@Ravigyne]

It all starts with the woke agenda. Fan fatigue is just a symptom of the real problem. Lucasfilm and Marvel Studios should be powerhouses in the entertainment industry. On par with MGM, Dreamworks, etc. Saying that the space is over populated is denying the existence of the fan base of the comics themselves. Every character, every spin off, every franchise has established characters and tells established stories. For the most part. Does this mean that the comics industry is over saturated too? If so, where's the fan fatigue there? I would personally say no. The problem in the comics industry, just like Hollywood, is the woke agenda. Something that I believe is being well mitigated by the rise of independent and crowd funded self publishing as well as the fan backlash against these insufferable wokeists.

[@thepsychicspoon5984]

Plot twist: That guy never worked for Disney. He was just some random dude they got off the street.

[@southtexasprepper1837]

I can't see how the "Representative from Disney" can defend the indefensible? Disney is continuing to bleed money on worthless projects, yet still blames the Critics and the Movie-Going Public for the crap (putting it very politely) that they're pumping out. Right now, I'm willing to bet that Walt Disney is spinning in his grave.

[@changelocation]

Stronger together 😊

[@scottbullock3045]

So, Jesse, when are you gonna ask to join Will or Gary's podcasts?

[@mohienamjad3271]

Did you know that most of the chi artist that make most of the movies are severely underpaid?

[@thejessegrant]

I’m aware and that’s Disneys problem and that for sure results in the CGI sucking because they overwork and underpay their effects staff it’s terrible

[@tremere3337]

Fucking awesome.

[@thejessegrant]

The best

[@tremere3337]

​@thejessegrant Tactially good too. It was a good rebuttal. Black Panther had a very poor story looking at in depth. But acknowledging as "Good because story" forces them to either acknowledge black people pandering as a real thing, or say that Black Panther had a bad story or to acknowledge that good stories are more important to save face...which they don't care about at all. They fell for a subtle trap. Not bad Gary. Not bad at all...

[@cameo-1289]

Clearly that Disney guy is clueless about what's going on. No surprise, competent staff all left Disney.

[@club213542]

they sent the black gay man and prob the only one they had that could put two sensible words together...

[@MTbone7]

Funny there are like 15 sequels and remakes currently in the works

[@sp1ashy345]

Did you know that Asmongold reacted to one of your vidoes. I think it was your last one

[@thejessegrant]

Yeah it was pretty cool!!

[@sp1ashy345]

@@thejessegrant Im very happy for you. I hope your channel keeps growing

[@vicat555vick7]

Super hero fatigue is an excuse for bringing modern politics to a BILLION dollar franchise. They knocked out their heavy hitters, which is fine...if you replace them with stories and a new developing cannon that nods to the comic book nerds but creates a great succession of Marvel adventures. Nope, Disney made a stand on their movie themes and they're not learning the lessons of other major franchises that owned their mistakes and corrected course.

[@asgrilsfoundrylab]

So I plan on just watching the interview instead of listening to you talk about their interview with occasional clips of the interview. Very weak when it comes to content making. Basically regurgitating their thoughts into your own words.

[@danielscott8180]

Disney will change nothing. They've already hired an actress to play Silver Surfer. A female Silver Surfer exists, but that's not the issue. Because of how female characters are presented in the MCU recently, you just know this will be woke, preachy, and unwatachable.

[@markp1634]

This was a very repetitive video. You made the same point over and over again.

[@Lady-Drifter]

When I watched the cast, I was choked with laughter! Why, you say? The Disney person, every time any of the other 3, said anything, he would roll his eyes, like some 12 year old child tired of hearing Mom say to eat your vegetables! AND as a bonus, at the end of the cast, 3 of 4 say 'goodbye's' and 'thank you's' ... the Disney guy shoves his book into the camera! That says it all ....

[@williamchandler2937]

Drinker is in his own sphere,nerdrotic is on the rise. We like the these normal joes. Better than watching crap on tv and movies.

[@thedarkadmiral3627]

Disney is just allergic to properly earning money nowadays.

[@attiepollard7847]

Hey Disney don't send a black guy to represent you in a debate

[@devekut2]

4:05 - The title of the book behind this 'mystery-meat' says it all.

[@patricka.crawley6572]

Disney debated, 'Critical Drinker'. That's a strange thing to debate. And who did Disney debated that WITH????!!!!

[@Gapihamiha6]

They should invite you into their's podcast

[@andrewlindsay4773]

Look at the 'Disney Rep's book case- a book called "the Case For Cancel Culture' deliberately displayed very prominently