Disney's Homophobic Musician | Dreamsounds

[@kobcritic624]

the irony of him saying an anti-trans slur while playing Celeste

[@Jarack25]

I was just about to comment that, thank you for bringing that point up.

[@hellothepixel1107]

Less irony more like fucking gall to complain about people making it all about their gender while playing the game about the character dealing with anxiety due to gender dysphoria

[@xenrx9781]

he's going to listen to SOPHIE and go "this slaps"

[@hellothepixel1107]

@@xenrx9781 What is SOPHIE?

[@crypticcorvid]

@@hellothepixel1107 SOPHIE was a trans musician who makes some pretty cool experimental tracks. I'm not sure what her genre of music is called, but I do highly recommend listening to one of her most popular tracks "faceshopping."

[@Erik-fn7kj]

Oh my God. I never thought I'd hear anyone talk about this again. Thank you. I remember when Pogo had a personal twitter (that is long gone by now) but would say incredibly transphobic and bigoted things there. Dude was SO full of himself too. Pretty much thought he'd invented plunderphonics. 🙄 No idea if he's changed. Sad because I do love his music. Other plunderphonic artists who do rlly good stuff: Jeesh Liltommyj (my personal fav) Blujay Smuffy Sleepyboi Dainumo Julow Lacheque Salmon Cakes Ben Storey Avery Blue OneSimpleGamer

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

Does DJ Shadow or The Avalanches count as plunderphonics? Because they came wayyyyy before this clown did What is it with alt right morons and having massive egos?

[@marshallanderson4690]

Dainumo & Sleepyboi are pretty good along with the artists you’ve listed!! :)

[@Erik-fn7kj]

@@marshallanderson4690 Oh thank you!!

[@betasequence4885]

Its funny he thought he was being so original when I have been listening to music like what he made on Ninja Tune since around 1994 - possibly before he was born.

[@osmosisjones2]

it's honestly really sad to me he turned out to be like that , he was someone i respected a lot artistically . also love the artists listed , i'd like to list a few artists as well ! /pos Julow Lacheque PengoSovlent (sorta , he samples a lot but he doesn't like to consider his works plunderphonics . i'd feel more okay considering his "mixes" plunderphonics since they are songs made almost only with samples from whatever media it's suppose to be about , he also did a pogo inspired mix about The Thief and the Cobbler but he unfortunately deleted it many years ago when all the stuff came out about pogo)

[@od3910]

I'm autistic and have developed several disorders due to trauma. This does not contribute to bigotry at all. I hate it when people try to use this as an excuse. It doesn't even explain anything. It's completely separate to bigoted actions. It might mean that you express those bigoted thoughts in weird ways (such as expressing it in company that would not respond well to such comments) but it does not affect you having those beliefs in any way. All neurodiverse and traumatised people can be assholes, as much as they can be wonderful people. Neither of which is caused by their neurodivergency

[@mars_starz420]

As an autistic person too I agree

[@ArtfulCosumDust]

Neuro diverse people can also be gay. Something he doesent acknowledge

[@icravedeath.1200]

I'm autistic and gay, so I have two eggs in this basket.

[@Nakia11798]

As a neurodivergent person, we can also change from an asshole into a nice person, given the right information and tools to learn.

[@rainbowkittycat627]

@@ArtfulCosumDust true!! In fact, Neurodiverse people are more likely to be on the lgbtq+!

[@rinneil]

Frankly, I don't believe any of his apologies. I've seen a lot of people out there who spew a lot of hate and then make half-hearted, self-pitying "apologies" where they're not really sorry for what they said or believe, just that they said it in an inflammatory way.

[@plursocks]

...was it even an apology though? Hahaha he basically just apologized for saying the quiet part out loud when Ben Shapiro and the gang keep it quiet.

[@searchingfororion]

To quote Chicago; "Yeah I'm sorry - sorry I got caught!"

[@SidVacant69]

Blaming Autism and Bipolar are horrible excuses. Mental illness and disorders is not an excuse for bigotry.

[@TYsdrawkcaB]

@@SidVacant69 yeah, in fact, those with ADHD and/or ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder), such as myself, are WAY more likely to be part of the LGBTQIA+ community. The reason behind this is unknown, but it’s very ironic he would use ASD as an excuse for homophobia.

[@TwixtheFox]

@@TYsdrawkcaB ADHD, agender, and gay here :P I've read up on the links! It's very interesting for sure.

[@LezbeOswald]

huh. idk about pogo but i'm also autistic yet that's never made me want to go on a homophobic rant. weird.

[@benburke3015]

Same. Lol.

[@pi172]

I am very gay and that never made me want to go on a hostile rant against autistic people. I guess it doesnt work in any direction.

[@xanderhug]

@@pi172 you’ve probably never actually been with someone who’s autistic for more than a day

[@magmentt]

omg oswald pfp

[@torimidori7705]

I'm bipolar, but that doesn't mean I go on homophobic rampages. In fact, I'm non binary and I support the people around me.

[@docsigma]

"I'm sorry I'm not MORE like Jordan Peterson" is quite the "apology", for sure

[@Tishalonghorn]

That was quite the list of heros

[@kamepohs5745]

It was a CHOICE! Totally haha. *crawls back into safe space crate.

[@kloggmonkey]

don't gloss over the fact he also name-dropped stefan molyneux, an actual white supremacist, along the people he "can only hope to be like one day"

[@elipticalecliptic481]

he really went "I'm gonna list a bunch of alt-right figures, some openly white supremacist, and then I'm gonna say that I wish I was more like them, this will not negatively affect me" dude thought he was so invincible that he could say anything and not face consequences

[@austinreed7343]

@@elipticalecliptic481 To be fair, Jordan Peterson isn't alt-right, but a normal right-winger. Easy to get confused at this point though.

[@sylverscribs0490]

“i have aspergers and bipolar disorder and that’s why i’m homophobic” i have both ptsd, anxiety and mid support needs autism, and yet i manage to not be homophobic. edit: accidentally put bpd (as in bipolar depression) instead of bipolar disorder.

[@boomerangswingsbothways]

Man could’ve said, ‘I quickly became homophobic, hating on gay people became my lifestyle’ and that would have prolly been better lol

[@59771006]

I have aspergers and I’m not homophobic in fact I identify as gay so how could I possibly be homophobic I actually hate homophobia if someone’s a homophobic piece of shit I’ll tell them

[@livingispain-e4i]

I have BPD and autism like him and I'm not homophobic. It's a shitty excuse.

[@nohintshere]

@@boomerangswingsbothways G💀Y⚡

[@ryansamuria]

@@nohintshere homophobic 💀

[@BondforgedSky]

I find it so funny that he played Celeste even though that game was made by queer people and has a trans protagonist.

[@puppyqueen5688]

I think the fact it's obviously the story of a trans person and he didn't seem to notice shows how shallowly rights wingers tend to look at things, it's a all to common trend that they do.

[@BBWahoo]

I find it funny that pogo is in the closet, he should learn to bounce on a pogo stick and stfu

[@ma.2089]

I hate how hompophobic and transphobic ppl can enjoy media made by LGBTA ppl. I remember a song that got super famous in Japan cuz it was the OP of an anime and ppl were loving their music and misgendering the creator like crazy. It was so disgusting.

[@BondforgedSky]

@@ma.2089 That doesn't surprise me unfortunately.

[@IvalioFloof4818]

@@ma.2089 well, mabye they didnt know? imean, they could've been credited wrong, or only came out recently, but i dont know the whole story.

[@wygolvillage2637]

I remember when the homophobic rant first got some attention, surprised it took so long for someone to cover it in a retrospective video like this. Was hugely disappointing then and still hugely disappointing now.

[@kv8441]

This is my first time hearing about this rant of his...and it makes me think: whenever i witnessed homophobic tiktoks/videos/posts from 2021-22, there was always an alarmingly large group of ppl that would essentially be all like "hell yeah i fking agree w/ you 😂💯". Since i hadn't discovered his controversy back in 2018, i was wondering if u could tell me if ppl ever "took his side" in a similar way? Or by sheer miracle, were most ppl back just then very appalled by what he said?

[@realSimoneCherie]

I’m stunned. I had no idea

[@ghostwizard7597]

I didn't even know any of this. I thought he was just the "hahah, funny time traveller musician makes trendy songs from 2020 in 2006", i thought he was just underrated, but now it all makes sense why his channel seem abandoned.

[@jf2801]

"The sort of people who demand safe spaces." Imagine demanding to feel safe, as a minority who is constantly under criticism, hatred, even violence that any rando on the street would be hard pressed to even begin to imagine. The absolute cheek of us gays. 😒 Also did he just say Ben Shapiro and Joe Rogan...I cannot with this guy. You handled this so gracefully and impartially, even despite being part of the group he has hurt with this.

[@RariettyC]

Cries about people demanding safe spaces only to blame his bigotry on his mental health...in other words, basically going "you shouldn't demand a safe space where you are protected from the difficulties you face, but I should still have one where I am protected from the difficulties I face".

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

"I don't want to be attacked or called slurs or debate your bullshit right now thanks" "wow smh safe spaces are the worst"

[@BBWahoo]

"Please leave me be." "Wow, you want a safe space? Lmfao imagine not allowing yourself to be harassed."

[@notNajimi]

@@BBWahoo “learn to take a joke”

[@WobblesandBean]

@@notNajimi "Don't be so sensitive."

[@MarbleOceans]

Ah my heart absolutely shattered when I first heard of this. The music realllllyyy satisfied my ears like it was the perfect sensory mix and the emotions remained. Same with Crystal Castles I can’t listen to them much if at all anymore

[@Shoulderpads-mcgee]

Oh no what did crystal castles do??

[@MarbleOceans]

@@Shoulderpads-mcgee Alice Glass came out and said her band member abused her for years, including but not limited to threats and getting her drunk so he could have sex with her. It‘s a sickening read Also absolutely zero profits from CC go to her. But at least she’s got her own YT channel that’s doing pretty well

[@Shoulderpads-mcgee]

@@MarbleOceans D: thanks for the info

[@whatdoyousuppose]

Brent Morgan is another Disney cover artist with abuse allegations. whenever I hear his acoustic covers of Disney songs that go viral on TikTok I have to scroll past, it’s a bummer his music is so widely used and yet not a lot of people know about this. there’s one big one he has that gets used a lot that’s a transition of This Is What Dreams are Made Of (you know, Lizzie McGuire movie, hey now hey now) starting with the original song “now everything’s technicolor” and then goes into his acoustic cover. He also does acoustic covers of Kiss The Girl that I hear a lot on my FYP given that I’m a super fan of The Little Mermaid (also apparently he plagiarized that cover? which is weird bc it’s a cover like how lazy do you have to be to use someone else’s style and chords and modifications of the existing melody and changing the key to the same different key that wasn’t the original key 🤦). I try to leave comments on videos using that sound so people know, I’d say around 99% of people using it have no clue and just picked it bc it was a trend and sounded nice. I feel bad having to be the bearer of that news on those videos since they’re usually like announcement posts or Disney vacation posts so I don’t really comment that often and will just skip the video entirely.

[@forestpathway]

I went to a concert held by Alice Glass. She kept on drinking and threw up 3 times. I felt sick when she played CC songs, as much as I loved them. For some reason, everyone in the crowd was being…rude? To Alice? They probably came from TikTok or something. It made me feel terrible.

[@MrWarners14]

As a person, I genuinely cannot stand him. He just sounds so revolting to me. Which is sad as hell considering I loved his music. If someone I once respected doesn’t even respect me as a person, their work isn’t worth it at this point. Also, his “apology” video was atrocious. He was making excuses that feel disgusting and disingenuous. It’s just such an off-putting situation all around.

[@BBWahoo]

Yeah, he has this egotistical john oliver esque condescending attitude that talk show hosts have and it makes me wanna deck him.

[@ma.2089]

Something similar happened with a guy named Blenderguru. I can’t stand looking at his videos anymore. It’s worse than Pogo’s cuz at least then I don’t have to hear Pogo speak

[@dyinginside821]

I love the “as a person”, I know you probably meant something else but it’s seriously cracking me up. I can’t stand this fella either

[@MrWarners14]

@@dyinginside821 I was thinking “as a musician”, I like his music but personality wise, I can’t stand him. It’s frustrating because his music is beautiful but his viewpoints are so ugly.

[@kate_alt]

@@ma.2089 wait, no, what did he do??? I was thinking of using his videos to learn blender

[@AxleandWheel]

It fucking hurts. I adore Pogo's music, nothing quite sounds like him. And it hurts so much to know that, even if his apology was genuine, even if he is telling the truth about not really believing that stuff, he still spread that garbage around. And I feel like a dick for continuing to listen, because his art means so much to me.

[@TeddySaxbang5690]

You may enjoy artists like Dainumo, who also make “Plunderphonics” - or Vektroid, who created the vaporwave album Macintosh Plus :)

[@AxleandWheel]

@@TeddySaxbang5690 Listened to both, but there's something about Pogo that I specifically like. The closest I've found would be artists like LilTommyJ, Jeesh, and PinkiePieSwear

[@mysryuza]

This comment hits close to home for me.

[@gingerdog8203]

Stop listening to his music please.

[@caviersim3806]

I personally feel like it’s ok to keep enjoying his music, I know I will. You gotta separate the artist from the art. Like people still loving Harry Potter despite its author being herself

[@puppyqueen5688]

The fact at he was playing Celeste while being transphobic was odd considering how obviously trans it is.

[@BreathingBlack]

Tbf I didn't know Madeleine was trans until this video but what a pleasant surprise!

[@kkkkkkkxd4692]

I wouldn't say Celeste is "obviously trans". If I recall correctly, the main Celeste dev didn't even know they were trans until after the game was finished. Most of the "trans references" are present near the end of the game.

[@WobblesandBean]

@@kkkkkkkxd4692 Lol and I'd love to see his face once he gets to the end and realized that.

[@DawnAnew]

@@WobblesandBean lmaoo, yes! I just got to this section and thought of the irony…so figured I’d see if anyone commented on it yet-

[@plutopawzz]

I love it when queerphobes interact with the most homosexual trans media as a trans queer aspec, it's fucking hilarious

[@ophiolatrix]

I was never a huge fan of pogo and I didn't find his stuff in the early KZbin days, but I heard a lot of it on Tumblr in the early 2010s and can probably say he was an influence on me as an aspiring edm producer back then. As a member of the lgbt community though, saying I was extremely disappointed with the kind of person he would turn out to be would be an understatement. Never a fun subject, but in light of his work making the rounds on tiktok it's probably important to remind people of the kind of person he is. I've also been in similar communities where enough time has passed that people are now fans of artists who were once disowned by the community for things like sexual assault, and while it's exhausting to discuss things like that it's important for people to know the full story there. I gotta laugh about him idolizing ben shapiro and saying he wants to be just like him. Oh, you're just like him alright, pogo. Another cookie cutter alt righter making a fool of himself online and desperately trying to stay "relevant" and "hip with the kids."

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Except unlike Ben Shapiro, Pogo is actually talented.

[@ophiolatrix]

@@jeremyusreevu237 true. honestly I appreciate Marlene bringing up the point of Horrible People Making Beautiful Art because the worst thing is when bad stuff comes out about a creator and people try to claim the high ground by being like "oh well I NEVER liked his music and always knew it was terrible unlike you SHEEPLE". Like sorry talent and skill aren't inherently tied to a person's morals. Also it feels really dismissive to the people who do get hurt by these relevations and the feelings of betrayal and sometimes an odd grief the former fans may be going through.

[@Chelaxim]

@@ophiolatrix ironic considering with the Disney and the Tumblr thing how he turned out to be anti LGBT it's like bro we made you.

[@guymee]

@@Chelaximehhhhhhhhh that’s debatable Lots of the community at the time maybe enjoyed his stuff but you don’t need to be part of that particular group to enjoy his music There’s a vocal group of lgbtqia2s++ people that used to enjoy his music But the other groups that like it never felt the need to make groups talking about how mind blowing good music can be

[@IsThatEtchas]

We played Pogo at our Pride Parade (Dublin) for our float years and years ago. The thing I find very funny about the whole situation is that in most other cases, I think his career would still survive, but he wildly underestimated how gay his audience was. Since his "the pulse shooting was good tho" video, all I've heard about him from other gays was "I used to listen to him but then...". He shot himself in the foot and then decided to keep shooting the same foot to make it better. I legitimately wouldn't be surprised if the guy was ultra closeted and that's not because of the whole "he hates gays cause he is gay" thing. The gaydar just goes wild, you know.

[@DHM91]

All the way in 2003?? Were you guys time travelers??

[@IsThatEtchas]

@@DHM91 I just did not want to do the math lol

[@sapphic.flower]

His what video?? 💀💀 Yeah, he just did not even consider that marginalized people exist everywhere, including within his demographic.

[@IsThatEtchas]

@@sapphic.flower He made a video (think it's the same one mentioned in this video) where he celebrated the Pulse shooting.

[@IsThatEtchas]

@@DHM91 I've fixed it for you in a way where I still don't have to do math.

[@mana-uv7cz]

Yeah sorry I don't believe his apologies he just has bad politics

[@cbismarck07]

Love your profile pic. Kay Nielsen supremacy.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

I absolutely loved listening to Pogo, so I'm sad that he turned out this way.

[@worthybutter2004]

Same here.

[@kimmy1325]

He literally made most of the few songs that can calm my headaches. Why'd he of all people have to be this way?

[@worthybutter2004]

@@kimmy1325 Because a person and art are two very different things.

[@woofer3284]

@@worthybutter2004 Isn't there saying that you can know about the person based on their works like art, music e.t.c?

[@worthybutter2004]

@@woofer3284 I guess so.

[@AndaraBledin]

In that 'apology' video he says he's not homophobic and then goes on to list his influences, most whom were known, even back then, to have homophobic and misogynistic biases.

[@N090UGY]

please cry harder

[@StealthMoustache]

That is like saying some butter has salt in it, guilty by association? I think separating things is a better approach.

[@AndaraBledin]

@@StealthMoustache If a person chooses to surround themselves with people who hold reprehensible views, at the very least, they're _ok_ with people who hold those views. I'm not ok with people who think such views are ok and am perfectly fine judging them by the company they _choose_ to keep.

[@StealthMoustache]

@@AndaraBledin They are ok with the people they are not however always ok with what opinions they have in their head, you can judge who you want but it's really in most humans nature to have different opinions, if someone stands next to me and thinks hitler did nothing wrong, that doesn't mean i agree with him. You can work with people with various different opinions, but does that make them your own, no. However, i will say that def he cannot entirely wash his hands off this situation.

[@AlexReynard]

Guilt by association. You guys would never have forgiven him no matter what he said.

[@bunji_beans]

"I have gay friends AND I'm coming out as bi to shield me from criticism"... OOF

[@SketchLove]

What type of timeline are we in where POGO, a guy who makes Disney remixes, is homophobic, sexist and basically alt right???

[@dizzyclown7131]

Bad end. Terrible end, really

[@mr.x2567]

That just sounds like Disney

[@Dantee985]

As if Disney the company isnt homofobic too ando then put on Twitter that they support LGBT

[@Toybinger]

No one can even properly define “alt-right”. Stop getting your news from Vox and Buzzfeed

[@spinosaurusstriker]

@@Toybinger yeah I don't know were they came up with that , its like calling every trans groomer a leftist for some reason

[@bobzilla9p0]

"his reputation never recovered." ???? He had 700,000 subscribers at the time and now has over 1,000,000. Look more than recovered. Just pointing this out.

[@Mallowolf]

I had completely forgotten about Pogo! Yeeesh! It's horrible to know the mindset behind those whimsical music videos, but it was pretty funny seeing the way he just kept digging his unnecessary hole. 'I have a gay friend AND I'm bi-curious!' lmao

[@crimsonlily3640]

My god he isn't even trying to be consistent. He went from "the f-slur in my user is because of my unapologetic dislike of homosexuals" to "that was just a joke, also i'm autistic AND bipolar AND kinda gay (except the bicurious label allows me to not compromise on this)" to "i can't be homophobic, i have gay friends and when this powerful gay dude asked me about my username face-to-face i was too big of a coward so NOW the f-slur was just a dumb teenager thing and didn't even have anything to do with sexuality". The lack of awareness has to be off the charts for pogo and other reactionary conservatives to pride themselves over "not walking on eggshells" when they ALWAYS backtrack once they're facing the type of person they talk so much shit about. I wouldn't feel bad if the gay kids on tiktok find out about this and beat his ass again.

[@bubbachildsupport4535]

Dude has no spine bruh 😂

[@idrinktea420]

Mental illness should be an excuse for being a douchebag

[@camilofajardo9199]

I guess I'm one of those kids until now I ran into with the kind of person he is, I didn't even think Pogo really existed as a public person... I thought it was just a pseudonym similar to sewerslvt with-a-nobody behind it

[@elipticalecliptic481]

@@camilofajardo9199 frankly staying private would have been a better business decision, but his head was so swollen with ego that he couldn't help but strut around being absurdly horrible like he think's he's too important and powerful to be hit with consequences, and now the main reason people even remember him is for being a massive bigot

[@AlexReynard]

"I just can't understand why he doesn't act consistent towards a community that would openly wish violence against him if he ever said anything we don't like."

[@caminandoyflotando]

So my ex boyfriend introduced me to Pogo and was probably his most played artist back in the early 2010s. I associate his music so much with my ex I couldn’t listen to it without my heart ache, but now that I know that he’s such a hateful person it makes it that much easier to put his music to rest. It’s a shame Bloom was my favorite.

[@PhantomKLA1]

Being *"Homophobic"* is not being a hateful person. And even more so considering that everyone is called *"Homophobic"* for no reason.

[@samsparks151]

I know this was a long time ago, but if you’re still interested in this genre of music it’s very much alive and doing well! There are many artists making music that (in my opinion) is better than pogos. Efryo, OneSimpleGamer, Travis Glover to name a very small amount of them.

[@taylor3950]

@@samsparks151 thanks for the recs! I only knew a couple songs from Spotify recs and just found out he’s a bigot. I’ll definitely try these artists

[@Lynnsette]

@@PhantomKLA1 Being homophobic by definiton is quite literally being hateful LOL

[@PhantomKLA1]

@@Lynnsette What a petty and crappy complaint lol.

[@alexochioa]

He really said "I don't hate gays, I have gay friends"💀💀

[@AlexReynard]

Yes. That is actually a reasonable defense against bigotry that a reasonable person would accept. 'I am trying to overcome my biases by treating people of this other group as friends'. It's WAY more damning of the left that they hear this and roll their eyes, rather than saying, 'That's progress! Good to hear!'

[@samichmachine]

SO glad someone is covering this! pogo is a nightmare ngl

[@merlinjames5954]

Is this how Kanye fans feel..

[@BBWahoo]

Probably yeah, Kanye's anti-semitism is literally because Pete "The Plower" Davidson made his ex-wife climax more often, he had this paranoia that jews (his psychiatrist included) were out to get him or hurt him or take "what was his". You know it'd make a FANTASTIC South Park episode where Cartman teams up with Kanye to try and take down Kyle.

[@RIForg]

​@@BBWahooAs a mothrfulkn gay fish?

[@ThAlEdison]

8:53 paraphrase: I like some of the things say...

[@austinreed7343]

Liking a homophobe =/= being a homophobe

[@Tishalonghorn]

Not even just liking but “wanting to be more like” 🤢🤢

[@trixicenby999]

@@austinreed7343 Liking someone even though they are homophobic does not sound very good does it?

[@BreathingBlack]

@@austinreed7343 if you like and agree with homophobes, you are a homophobe

[@austinreed7343]

@@BreathingBlack Even if you agree with them on non-homophobic things?

[@justaguy2182]

“I have mental disorders so you can’t blame me lmao” The irony of him saying gay men act like 12 year old girls when that is the most childish bullshit I’ve ever heard…

[@ard4461]

Was there a reason you didn't touch on the sadistic response Pogo had towards the Pulse massacre? I feel like that was also a very significant thing to mention.

[@DreamsoundsVideo]

I reference that in the video, saying that I can't show the worst part of his video (in my opinion) because my video might get demonetized. In discussing and analyzing anti-LGBTQIA+ rhetoric, unfortunately I have to be aware of that.

[@kayleejazz1669]

Wow this is sad that I didn’t know this. But a lot of Disney fans are on the lgbt spectrum, so I’m surprised he even made those comments. Also he was making music videos of Disney characters, I mean just saying he shouldn’t be throwing stones in glass houses.

[@CHEESEPUFF_7]

Same

[@maffieduran]

I am both in the LGBT and autism spectrum, so naturally, I was absolutely disgusted with him.

[@12Tecpatl]

I found out Pogo was a homophobe and anti-feminist via a tumblr post way before 2016. Probably 2014-2015. With some thorough searching, that post or some others about his views might surface, but yeah, it was known that he was a hateful person before his rants were uploaded. They just put the final nail in the coffin.

[@w0undedmakers251]

“via a tumblr post” hahahaha you are a human cliche!

[@maggiehatton6881]

He back peddled so hard

[@donaldmarotta1439]

And not well enough either lol

[@WobblesandBean]

His "apology": "I can't be homophobic, I once drove through San Francisco with a gay guy!" 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@Jameski07]

it literally means being scared of gay people. If he drove through san fran with a gay person then he wasnt scared of them. People what definitions to mean something they arent.

[@20000dino]

This was a good video, but I also feel like you gave way too much slack to a person who really doesn’t deserve it. I’ve gotten to a point in my life where, as an oppressed person, I really can’t bother anymore to extend my hand to those who don’t even respect me. I have no empathy for him, and I wish he was deplatformed. Heck, he could die for all I care, it would genuinely get a chuckle out of me.

[@Dodger_Bunny]

Yoshi's committing tax fraud and calling death opon the homophobes. This will be a good year.

[@nirvanaheights]

Fr

[@ForteFaiey]

I mean that's harsh about the "dying" but definitely that was so horrible and hateful I'm still shocked... So sad to know he's someone with those beliefs and he follows and supports a lot of these lying and hateful people still spreading horrifying misinformation today, I wonder if that's why he has those views.

[@gjhartist3685]

We must have similar recommended feeds. I've seen you before lol.

[@Firegen1]

I'm sorry to agree but I do. Listening at the recordings of his takes. If he got hit with a particularly big vehicle. I can't say I wouldn't be relieved.

[@randomtangle4629]

14:19 “I can’t stand these [t-slurs]” yet is playing Celeste, lol.

[@sapphic.flower]

I am open to people’s growth, no matter how ignorant they were in the past (I’d be a hypocrite otherwise) but Pogo hasn’t showed any real sympathy, regret, and especially no sign of activism. It’s boggling how he admits to deliberately posting unprompted triggering posts just to upset marginalized people but then judge them for reacting to it. What a clod…

[@Luischocolatier]

"How people who do bad things can make good art" (Not looking at you, J K R*wling)

[@awkwardarie5419]

**CoUgH cOuGh** Kanye

[@alexochioa]

Weirdly enough I immediately thought of hitlers paintings

[@CasperdaGreat]

He just tried dissing trans people while playing CELESTE. BRO DO YOU KNOW WHAT GAME YOU ARE PLAYING????

[@Arrrrrrrrikived]

For anyone who really adores Pogo's sound, here are some alternative artists: Blujaymix (HIGHLY recommend) Snuffy Dainumo Jeesh Ben Storey D!tto Ashley C Mike Relm (If you have any to add let me know!)

[@worthybutter2004]

There's a really good, really underrated artist here on KZbin called "Salmon Cakes". Check him out when you have the chance.

[@Veksyn]

I hate people use bipolar and Asperger's as excuses. I have them both and at no point ever wanted to do anything these sorts of idiots claim it makes them do.

[@MoriSempaisNeko]

You know, I remember during the time of early Internet. it was common for people to say things that were controversial as a joke. I don't know why but no one ever questioned it. And it was just accepted when teenagers or even adults would say "you're a f*g" or "What are you R***rded?" as an insult. And I've noticed these same Alt right people still act like that, like their stuck in time 20 years ago. Not wanting to grow up and realize that other people exist besides them. I remember a particular ex-friend of mine during the 2010s would call me "lesbian chick" as a derogatory insult Insteed of my name. Just because I was bisexual, so I got tired of it and got revenge. I kissed his girlfriend in front of him and convinced her to dump him for me. He never did recover from it.

[@mlpdisneylover]

ah hell nah! POGO is homophobic!? wtf!

[@sorentothesky]

jokes on him, half of his fanbase is gay 🤯

[@Zeeboq]

I’d wager more.

[@BBWahoo]

11:23 "Why we should envy women." Oh god, Pogo is a trans egg that hasn't hatched. Oh jeez, oh gorsh, oh hyuck. 😳

[@alexrobi1176]

This guys uses a pansexual colour scheme. Just thought I'd point that out.

[@GalacticAnimationsYT]

yup and I was so happy about it too I saw it and was just like oh they probably aren't homophobic then... but nope

[@mr.x2567]

In that case, he’s probably appropriating those colors.

[@slavkolinic6713]

The real problem here is that today words matter way more than actions, if you do actions against a certain group but never say anything against them it's completely fine, however if you say something in any context against a group of people it hilariously means you hate them for some reason. I'm sorry but if you lose your mind over a meme or someone saying something that's not their problem, it's yours.

[@ashtonstatesman6761]

homie wtf. literally yesterday i heard one of his songs on a spotify playlist and was like omg i haven't heard this guy in years I should listen to him more often, and then you come out with this. ty for helping me dodge that bullet.

[@drinks_menu]

lmao "it didnt have anything to do with sexuality when i grew up" actually it did everywhere in the english speaking world. You just didnt know that because it wasnt against YOU

[@OhNoBohNo]

If this dissolves into an argument in the comment thread, I'm just scrapping this comment, but- There's just too much to love by LGBTQ+ creators and allies for me to try and justify separating art and artist and 'death of the artist', especially when it's so blatant. It's just not worth it for me. It's ultimately up to each person to choose if they want to do the same, and I hope they do, but there's just so much gay and queer joy out there to waste time upholding and defending bigotry Bonus: what a coincidence this is second video in a row I've watched mentioning the old diagnosis of 'Asp*rger's', since outdated for simply 'Autism Spectrum Disorder' because the guy it was named after was a real, full-blown N*zi collaborator. Yayyy. Was diagnosed this myself so recall when it was changed

[@tophatzcoolness]

Saying that there's a 'lot to love' about LGBTQ and allied creators already shows a bias. It sounds like you're trying to giddy giddy LGBTQ people to get brownie points. Almost all of the music i listen to is from pedophilic or homophobic creators and I am not either of those things. It's not like they're earning too much money anyway, because there are LITERALLY 2 MILLION OTHER PEOPLE LISTENING TO THEM EVERYDAY. I don't think my couple of views is gonna change anything, and as long as it isn't too obvious, people are going to be listening to them until new technology appears.

[@OhNoBohNo]

@@tophatzcoolness ok...

[@SaltySweetRen]

Aaand immediately the first reply is someone who looks to be argument baiting. Best to just ignore them. Also I had no idea about the reason for the diagnosis name being changed! I was also diagnosed with the same back when I was a kid, and as I got older I learned it was an outdated term and it's just Autism now, but never really learned why. The things you learn from the youtube comment section I guess...

[@romancatholicgameing]

you've been TROLLED You've been trolled, Yes, you've probably been tolled. Don't reply to this guy, he's just trying to get a rise Out of you! Yes, it's true. You respond and that's his cue, to start trouble on the double, while he strokes his madly stubble.

[@calliemyersbuchanan6458]

@@romancatholicgameingwhat tune is this supposed to be set to?

[@jermaine1998]

i went from "oh no i loved his remixes" to "omg what a moron!"

[@kaokeron3538]

I had no idea who pogo was aside from his song getting popular on tiktok, so I'm glad someone is out here reminding us of where his beliefs really allign. Take this as you will, but channels like Sargon of Akkad and Jordan Peterson still appear as subscriptions on his featured channels page

[@DreamsoundsVideo]

Thank you for pointing that last part out, I didn't notice it!

[@jahimjauh-hey5653]

He makes really good music though.

[@SevenEllen]

So? Kevin Spacey ruined the lives of children, but I never watch any movies with him anymore. I can't look at him without feeling total disgust for what he did. Both rape and discrimination ruins lives, and there's no age limit to either.

[@charlesmitchell3167]

Ya'know there's a thing called "Separating The Art From The Artist " Just wanted to throw that in.

[@N090UGY]

@@SevenEllen lol. He said words, get over it loser

[@DesTheMagicDog]

The only quality Pogo has himself anymore is being very punchable. I still remember the orlando night club shootout response video of his and how I incredibly angry I was, and still am, at him. I Never knew he was THIS awful, though. But I'm also not surprised at all anymore. And their is some deep irony of him sh*t talking about trans people while playing Celeste.

[@laragallahue7127]

Wow … just fucking wow he horrible. Somehow I missed this guy I’m glad I did

[@JoelEblin]

When a remix of the Pogo song started to trend on TikTok a few months ago, I was confused why so many people were fine with making him somewhat relevant again. The relative short attention span of the internet for people who say some really awful things makes me worried.

[@ophiolatrix]

I'm in kind of a similar boat. I still see queer furries sharing work from Halley Labs/Emma Essex around despite the fact that multiple sexual assault allegations came out against her years ago. (Though I guess the key word there is "years", given how fast stuff moves online anymore. Memes now have a shelf life of about a week)

[@beebee1794]

I had no idea he had said any of this or was like this at all. I was kinda shocked seeing this video bc I literally just have fond memories of music and I didn't even know he had personal videos or anything like that 😭😭

[@N.S0]

I get what you're saying, but most of us on tiktok were under 15 years old when this stuff was happening. Not all of us even knew about this guy.

[@GalacticAnimationsYT]

loved the music it was so satisfying to me but i was first introduced to his content yeeeears after so i had no clue about all this but im thankful i know now

[@dust.runner]

Sometimes (esp on platforms that reuse/repost content like tiktok) the origin of a piece can get totally forgotten or lost. Which, is a problem in of it self for sure, but maybe that has a little to do with it ... Regardless, I do agree that we forget pretty quickly... a lot of companies and influencial individuals seem to purposefully take advantage of it, making a response and then laying low until public attention and outrage lowers, then continuing with business as usual when most are no longer emotionally invested or really aware of what's going on currently. The more time goes by, the more people who don't know about the incident will increase as well.... It makes me mad when companies or individuals 'tone down' their problems enough to be presentable (i.e less visibly immoral or problematic) but not enough that you could say they actually recognized what they did was wrong, or, more importantly to me, that they were willing to do the right thing or change anything that might affect their profit margins or support base... just enough that the more hidden problems or systems are less offensive.. and that you get told 'well, they stopped doing X' when you express continued criticism or not wanting to support them.

[@corvuscrux]

I knew that he had the rants, had no idea about the crowder/Peterson/Sargon worship. It's a shame.

[@milkmatcha3698]

oh my god the way he keep bringing up this gay friends he has so he can say homophobic things is infuriating, its textbook _"i can say it i have black friends"_ thing all over again.

[@nohintshere]

"(lists a bunch of right-wing grifters) that's who i wanna be more like"

[@CDara.]

I like Pogo and I won't stop loving the remix he did. I dont care what people thinks or says. Being in a side dont make you good. Many non-lgbt and lgbt people did mistakes and as long as we learn from them... if God can forgive, everyone can This is why im not into medias that much.

[@shoeskode136]

Are you wrong if you still want to listen to his music No Are you wrong if you support his homophobia Yes

[@joshuagonzalez4183]

👍🏻

[@worthybutter2004]

Correct! I still love his music but, after watching this video, dislike him as a person. Beautiful music But a disgusting man, all the same!

[@jmot7364]

omg thank you. sheesh.

[@zeechops401]

I literally just looked him up last night like "Oh i havent listened to Pogo in so long I missed it!" AND NOW I GET THIS IN MY TIMELINE. I HAD NO IDEA.

[@empressofcreativity]

Same

[@YourHighwayInTheSky]

jumpscare warning for shay carl

[@abooga8]

Lol dont care, what a talented individual

[@mytestbrandkonto3040]

Yeah, I watched his Data & Picard video, and like it.

[@rebeccagibbs4128]

oh wow, this was a massive bummer. need to scrub myself clean after this.

[@dalniente2020]

This guy is the epitome of “Geez you guys don’t know how to take a joke! It was totally OBVIOUS I was just being a genius and making social commentary. It’s your fault you don’t get it and you’re so sensitive not mine!” The fact that he supports trump and looks up to Ben Shapiro tells you everything you need to know about this guy and his fragile masculinity.

[@DemonicIra]

it's giving "I'm allowed to say it cause i have gay friends!"

[@codyritner3826]

Gay video.

[@docdoc.4500]

I loved the music so much and found comfort in it as a queer trans person :/ It sucks that someone who created so much comfort for me also happens to hate people like me

[@GalacticAnimationsYT]

same :(

[@idrinktea420]

Couldn't have said it better. Sending a virtual hug for u

[@camilofajardo9199]

Reminds me to sewerslvt tho

[@JackedThor-so]

Until now I was completely unaware of any of this - I thought Pogo was just "that guy that makes those movie remixes." This is definitely a good breakdown of the whole situation. I will say though, as well as you towed the line and being fair, I personally don't think it was deserved in this case. He used direct and blatant language in his bigotry, used every excuse in the book to try and save face (being mentally ill, bicurious, or living in a podunk town that casually uses slurs doesn't excuse or justify any of his behavior - I myself m all three of those things myself while being openly gay. Context is not a get-out-of-jail-free card), and has rubbed elbows with and respects and aspires to be like a bunch of dangerous far right pundits. At some point, if it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a damn duck.

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

I swear every day there's a new person i looked up to letting me down. It's getting really depressing 😤

[@rmj8905]

There's a reason they say don't meet your heroes.

[@weirdfrog2350]

My dad is bipolar. He loves me as i am (im non binary and panromantic) he also loves all his gay freinds and co workers. Bipolar doesnt make you a bigot

[@krealyesitisbeta5642]

Why are so many people I adored not so long ago, turning into not so great people SO OFTEN!?

[@rmj8905]

Because you never really knew them.

[@yourcordialvermillionchapw2398]

@@rmj8905 It's an old as fock post, but I have to express something much more then that repetition now... It doesn't even need to be complete rando's... As some mere example, here is a small anecdote: I thought that I knew my father, someone who LONG stuck with you, believed to trust through all of their imperfections, had good intentions, heck at one point they thought he was truly a "nice guy" as he says (you already know where this is going)... Who turned out to be a manipulative scum at the end, a borderline sociopath, and an overall horrid virus of an influence under the deeper lens... One that I am still trying to get back up fully, as I realized he left me stagnant in potentials to better his ends then initially precented... People like him? Get WAY TOO LUCKY or WAY TOO PERSUASIVE to baffling extents, that you'd think there is some supernatural BS at play, but really want to give them the actual facts straight that one day it's not worth thinking that way... Cuz if it's something else that I have further learned and need to keep in mind no matter what is this: *Do not push your luck too much (said father ended up scramming, later broke or... worse... Unless character development sets in for him, it's too late and in way too deep now... Should have not been too smug hm?)* They say never meet your hero's every god damn time... Might as well not even exist at this point. People are generally assholes sure, I can be an imperfect asshole at times much like anyone can be... Just not to this sheerly awful extent. The point being that it's been happening more and more so anomalously in a very bad way, even to those closest to you, I am glad that I am not the only one who starts noticing such a Reverse Flashing anomaly XD.

[@pogoknight428]

This information upsets me. Pogo's work has inspired me so much, if you can't tell by my own username. I adore the musical style of his work. I even have an original character based on his logo, a rabbit with his distinct colors. I am disgusted and mortified by his beliefs, although it's very fitting that Disney worked with them given their track record. It's ironic that his logo is the upside-down color scheme of the pansexual flag when he's so biggoted. I'm glad that his musical style has been reclaimed/reduced to a genre; it really is fantastic and shouldn't be purely associated with Pogo.

[@mehlover]

Pretty sure not on purpose, but ironic he has the pan flag as part of his logo/pfp

[@GalacticAnimationsYT]

and here i thought he'd be fine with gay people cuz his logo has the pan flag on it :')

[@Forcommentingpurposes]

“One of my biggest supporters is gay” and “I’m bi-curious myself” as justification for saying abhorrent shit absolutely sends me. What kind of gold metal mental gymnastics is this man doing to himself. Just admit you’re a bigot and we’ll move on, it’s okay

[@xCoMiXx]

It's always the lame excuse of "it's my humour" like no bro, you're just like that

[@daylinhesford3116]

Trying so hard to seperate music from the artist for this one

[@tru3sk1ll]

At some point you have to distance the creator from the creation, just appreciate the creation for what it is, and separate

[@icelusthefish]

Upular is a bop but when the artist is a horrible person its hard and sometimes impossible to separate the art from the artist, and sometimes it's best to just leave them in the dust of history

[@Ebrill_Owen]

I stopped listening to Pogo a while ago after a serious allegation against him. Now that I know for a fact that he’s homophobic I wonder if that other allegation was true. What a loss, I genuinely enjoyed Pogo’s work.

[@semaj35]

I was starting to get his apology and then "ID LIKE TO BE MORE LIKE BEN SHAPIRO" and I instantly lost hope altogether

[@videlvasq]

Oh damn. I was just talking about him yesterday, what a coincidence. I kinda hold a grudge, I used to love his plunderphonics before I discovered his horrible blog posts (back when they were still up). It was a huge betrayal

[@Gredddfe]

"I'm not homophobic I was intentionally triggering the snowflakes" I'll be honest mate I haven't actually heard that excuse before.

[@sleepingworldchampion]

Oh wow I had no idea about how disgusting and hateful he is until watching your video. Thank you for making it! Definietly taking his songs out of my playlists especially since there're so many talented artists who deserve the views

[@redey1290]

Wow I completely missed this controversy. What a shame too, I love his music a lot but jeez. Have to employ that “separate the art from the artist” sorta thing which really really sucks.

[@BunnyJolf]

Pogo literally has pansexual ears in the pfp

[@BeachBrah247]

I think his homophobia is internalized ngl.

[@ChaoChao0071]

I thought I was the only one who was still bothered by this. I remember there was a top comment on the apology video saying "These people should have known better than to take you seriously, but I guess they're too stupid to realize it was a joke," and Pogo hearted that comment. He was not sorry because he seems to blame those who got offended.

[@smallgoosey]

Thankyou for making this, I had no idea Pogo was like that. It's really annoying because they make good music, time to go figure if I can seperate the art from the artist. :/

[@gatsbysdead]

I had tickets to see him on his US tour circa 2010. Halfway thru, he had an incident at Canadian border patrol where he didn’t have the right kind of permit and wasn’t trying to get into Canada anyways something something he ended up detained at Riker’s Island I think, deported, and not allowed back into the country for 10 years. It’s taken me until watching this video that I realized the bullet I dodged.

[@rorygiambalvo2955]

"I hate people who claim they want safe spaces so I purposefully draw them out with content aimed at hurting them. However, I was naive when I posted my homophobic video because I didn't consider how harmful and senseless it was." Sir, which is it? You can have gay friends and still be homophobic. None of this is mutually exclusive. I love the music, but disagree with his views and how he goes about them.

[@greenghoul157]

It's sad to hear about this, it sucks that someone so talented that created whimsical music from Disney clips is a horrible person, he was not convincing at all that his old name was just something edgy and immature when he was a teenager, full blown homophobe 😔

[@TuberoseKisser]

The fact that in his first video he could have easily said that he used to be homophobic and by the time he wasn't his whole brand was attached to his internet name. On top of that if you make a living through the internet and spreads into irl, you need to learn self control and keep your opinions to yourself especially if it's solely to get edgy points.

[@Yer_Da_]

Pogo rules, making some of the best music/videos of modern times - I don't believe the man has any hate towards homosexuals or gender dysphoric folks, I also don't believe he's a misogynist. He clearly has some right wing views but that is not a crime - he is probably dissillusioned with the state of Western society trying to bend the laws of nature to fit a narrative that suits someone's political ideology - identity politics is a total mess. I personally LOVE contrarian viewpoints because they challenge the hive mind, doesn't mean I agree with them, I just utterly HATE dogma.

[@killerinfo]

If you watch his interview with Steven Crowder in full, it shows exactly what you're saying. At the very end Pogo even says he doesn't consider himself far-right but either centre-right or more staunchly right (In Australian standards). I do not excuse what he's done but I do think there is a level of deep misunderstanding and misconstrue of what Pogo was trying to say, if you take it all at face value. I don't believe he was using bipolar and autism to excuse bigotry but that his intent to upset people was to use extreme rhetoric but lacking social and verbal cues to convey the joke. Almost too deadpan. Text based blogs do not help convey jokes either. As he said with his diagnoses (even saying his empathy is "muddled"), it's possible the social nuances and emotional expression to convey a joke/satire was not there so it came across as more serious than it likely intended. He expresses criticisms towards modern feminism in the interview but not necessarily his views on women, from what I remember at least. What's ironic is if the scenario I expressed is truly the case, it only served to validate Pogo's point (not the homophobic and extreme stuff). Best case scenario if this was the case; Pogo did a stupid and it heavily backfired on him and his career prospects from a poorly executed extreme joke (of which the f*tron video was never meant to be public and was done as a joke among friends I think from what was said long ago) and he doesn't actually hold such extreme hatred, misogynist, homophobic values. All that's left is a guy with differing political opinions and health issues contributing to these issues.

[@quakec4233]

So basically Disney didn't like what Pogo was doing, and now we're defamating his online character. hmmm.

[@SuperFlashDriver]

To be honest Pogo, I do agree with you. The culture and sarcasm of today is nothing compared to the 1990s and 2000s, something that some millennials and early Gen Zs take for granted. But at the same time, in my opinion, the LGBTQ+ law on June 24th, 2015 was the biggest mistake the obama administration has ever done. And look what has happened to the group, they are doing WAAAY too much influence and acting like gods in multitude of different countries, despite that they are humans just like us. All I ask the LGBTQ+ community to do is stop shoving sexuality and your viewpoints down our throats. I can understand why African American month in February is important, but not Pride month (what a joke that one is every june. Turning a month that used to be about the last day of school and summer vacation, now turned into a month full of sexual deviant stuff from the LGBTQ+ side of things). To be honest Pogo, at this point you might end up being an outcast from society, and believe me, if I was near you I wouldn't mind bringing you on board, despite the criticism from other people, I would just say to them "People it's business, at the end of the day as long as he can make money from it and move on, then that's fine. But all of you take them way too seriously and it was a dark joke at the end of the day. As long as he's not physically harming you, you should not worry too much about what he says at the end of the day." Again, if he does gay shit to me, sorry, then I'd tell him you have three chances and that's it. Blow them all at once or over the years, and you're done working with me. But that's just me. Pogo, you're still one of the favorites I came across from another channel, and yoru plunderphonics will still be referenced and used to this very day.

[@Game_Hero]

"I can understand why African American month in February is important but not Pride Month" Why? And you know assexuals exist as well, don't you? Romance and sense of self is not always about sexuality, that's also what Pride month is about. That people like you (talking to people who see themselves in Pride Month) exist and existed with an history often washed aside the same way african american history of that month is and is all about saying "we exist, we existed and we're proud of it, we're part of the picture even if many people don't want that and want us silenced and pushed aside instead". Why is the normal thing of saying you exist and that you're just as normal as anyone else with the same desires for recognition, normality, humanity and love (including marriage, are you against marriage or what) as anyone else "shoving it in people's throats" and "having too much influence like gods"? It's not the case in your views if it's a black person that does the same thing for his identity isn't it? Especially since many want to whitewash that history now, making people to deffiantly speak up more, right? Why is this any different here, it's the same thing. Isn't that kinda of a double-standard? You're not the best person you could be, you know?

[@SuperFlashDriver]

@@Game_Hero I know that asexuals exist, but the thing with me is that I can't think of anything the LGBTQ+ had any impact on society or any kind of change in their lives. African Americans/Africans in general did a ton of protesting, boycotts, and strikes because they were tired of segregation and wanted Civil Rights and bea part of the other non-black citizens in the 1950s and 1960s. For LGBTQ+ though, it was all about gender and gay marriage, I don't see any semblance of a society having to use tumblr terminology and having to use two pronouns to refer to that person. It should just be male, female, or other/Not applicable. But that's just me. The reason I mentioned shoving it down our throats was because of the mainstream media praising it like as if it's the only important thing we should care about in june, despite massive anti-LGBTQ protests saying we should have pride assemblies to children 12 and under. And that LGBTQ+ is not as important as Math, Science, Social Studies, and History. That's where I was coming from. Yes, I admit I'm stupid in many ways, but I have something to say as well even if it means getting beaten up by others who don't like what I say about LGBTQ+ groups, calling me tons of phobic/tumblr terms and such. So what? I'm heterosexual, I'm proud to be one. But I don't want to associate my gender with LGBTQ+, it doesn't feel right at all. So that's my two cents to you.

[@lorenzomaldonado2050]

🥺💔 dang like that brakes my hart - pogo was my favorite artist as a kid 💔💔💔💔

[@Shindai]

He loves Jordan Peterson, there's a shock