Disproving Midnight Motorist

Everyone talks about the most probable scenario when it comes to Midnight Motorist. What if I told you that it wasn't even possible?
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[@erickamakeeaina1649]

I think that Vanessa is a symbolic parallel of Elizabeth but not to that extent. I do not think that just because Vanessa's mom killed herself and such after a nasty divorce that Vanessa was forced to testify in, does not mean that is what happened to Ms.Afton. Vanessa's parallels to Elizabeth are, IMO, just symbolic.

[@wirginiamobillio]

So basically, Elizabeths mom is divorced but not dead

[@robinarkell7221]

@@wirginiamobillio Or she could be dead bt not divorced. Maybe rather than committing suicide after a custody case went against her, she did it after she "lost" her child/children another way- like one or two of them dying horribly or going mysteriously missing. It was even because of similar reasons, specifically her husband's scheming and one of her children acting in a way she couldn't have predicted (the last part is a bit of a stretch to be fair) If that's legitimately what Scott is trying to imply (that losing her two younger children kind of broke her and she eventually ended it all) then having her be the person in the chair who gives a rather half hearted and somewhat perfunctory attempt to stop orange guy storming in to yell at Michael but does nothing to actually stop him would show how disconnected she had become and how dysfunctional things are.

[@jpcsdutra]

What calls my attention in this minigame is that it is internally called "later that night". Later what night? There are plenty of pivotal moments in fnaf that we have no idea how far spread apart they are. The rain and car suggest William getting away after killing Charlie, but it's narratively unsatisfactoy. This is the night after the first/biggest kill and he just drives home and wants to yell at his kid? It can't be. After CC dies? It's even weirder. "He's had a rough day" is completely dismissive of "killing your own brother by acident" and why wouldn't he be around sooner if one of his kids had just died? If this game is about William, it has to be about him killing Suzie, not Charlie. Conversely, if this is not about William, a good narrative compels that this minigame is about someone we would have heard about. And the only other candidates are either Henry or the family of one of the missing kids. Henry was never shown to be this kind of abusive. So maybe it is about how William lured kids that had troubled families because that would make them easier targets? Everyone dismisses the springlock suit being the one outside the window because of the rain, but the footsteps wouldn't have lasted in the rain. It probably *just* started raining. JR's is also a very weird addition. If the orange guy was already driving the wrong way (drunk) to get home, JR's can't be counted on to be a bar. It's also mental gymnastics to justify it as a Freddy's location, because think about it. The place that the kid is running to is oftenly infered to be one of two things: A Freddy's or a Gravesite. Either would be to the right while the kid runs north. I don't think we ever had all the pieces to figure this one out. As a side note: I see people constantly taking it for a fact that Michael is the player character in FNAF 4. I don't know that I buy it. "He had to be because he knows Nightmare". Sure but it has always caught my attention that the player in FNAF 4 is SMALL. Like really small. Height of the doorknob small. Climbing down the bed small. All of Michael's traumatic events are supposed to have happened to him after he was already a teenager. Even in a dream, for him to dream, even if just the final 2 nights after CC dies, why would he be dreaming himself as a kid hiding from Fredbear? It's weird even if you think about it being some kind of projection or remorse. He'd rather dream himself being bitten or doing the biting if that was the message.

[@little_goose]

😮 ive never thought about it being how William lures his victims

[@alexs7670]

Bruh what if dreamed he was short?

[@anzukki7870]

Not reading allat

[@justice8718]

William didn't kill any member of the Emily's in the games. Henry Emily murdered his son because: "Puppet Minigame" (restaurant is locked for outsiders) > "Midnight Motorist" (the killer's son runs to Freddy's) > "Take cake to the children" (The Midnight Motorist son dies) Henry knew where his victim was the whole time.

[@saeklin]

FNAF4 heavily implies that the night sequences are nightmares of either Michael or some other security guard. The bedroom is a childlike mirror of the security office, with a similar fan and toy telephone. Some believe FNAF4 is the punishment Mike subconsciously inflicts on himself for what he did to his brother. The Logbook features a detailed sketch of Nightmare Fredbear, and it's Mike's name on the cover in the same red ink, so that theory seems rational. Regarding Midnight Motorist, my running theory is that OrangeMan is Mike's stepdad and BiteVictim's bio dad. The grave was BiteVictim's. It totally adds up that Mike would bully his half-brother especially if Mike's stepdad was favoring the little brother. I think the animatronic outside the window was one of the more powerful spirits that can apparently teleport like Golden Freddy or one of the Shadows. I could totally see the stepdad referring to place that Mike's bio dad works as That Place.

[@vortigaunt_gaming]

This video has had an almost perfect timing with the B2-7 leak, which would explain that Midnight Motorist means that William kidnaps children to take them to the fake house of FNaF 4 and experiment on them and the mound could be the entrance to Circus Baby Entertainment and Rentals

[@midnightgamer2088]

Hear me out: William is only purple in minigames when he’s in uniform, because the security uniform is purple. In Midnight Motorist, he is no longer wearing the uniform because he is home from work.

[@kauricebell]

I *think* Scott said the purple represents William hiding in the shadows. He’s not doing anything malicious in MM so he’s not shadowy

[@higueraft571]

@@kauricebell >He’s not doing anything malicious in MM so he’s not shadowy Or.... because we *are* him, and you cant hide from yourself?

[@Wizardjones69]

Or because the lore is inconscistent with character designs *coughs* scraptrap *coughs*

[@TheCollector2401]

The whole point of William having 2 different sprites in FNAF 2 is one has a badge to represent he’s now the night guard and one doesn’t

[@hamcheese3532]

Actually guys in the new Fnaf movie trailer Michael wears an orange tie so he could be Mustard Man

[@problempal5395]

I feel like your first point immediately falls apart when you consider that Elizabeth could literally just be in another room in the house, you know, where children usually are at night. Like we only see one bedroom, but this house has clearly been 'squished' to be concise considering we know at least three people live there

[@Takejiro24]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the multiple windows and trash cans.

[@XimiBell]

Yeah, by that logic where do the parents sleep. Where is the kitchen? The bathroom?

[@tuvergalarga6144]

@@XimiBell Simplified minigame exploding head!

[@Space_Gojira]

Yeah, it was a massive stretch for Cryonide to say that Vanessa and Elizabeth are the same person. You don't need a perfect timeline to see that this wouldn't even be possible.

[@alexs7670]

I actually think orange guy is a robot because we never see him eat or go to bathroom.

[@benwelsh5265]

This might be the most thorough and enjoyable dissection of Midnight Motorist I've heard yet. Going into depth about the details of FNAF lore while still applying enough common sense to not start sounding like a lunatic is a lost art many (myself included) have lost in the FNAF community.

[@Deadman7600.]

He doesn’t really apply much common sense tho. He assumes that Elizabeth is out of the picture in the mini game when she could very easily just be in another room that isn’t shown in the minigame. Remember it is just an 8 bit game, she likely wasn’t included because she wasn’t relevant to the story put forward in midnight motorist. There is obviously gonna be more than one bedroom in the house, not to mention a bathroom or a kitchen. The game omits details that aren’t important and in this context, Elizabeth wasn’t and so she isn’t there.

[@CallingFromMars]

I like how you presented this theory, and think the video is really well-done, but I think there are some major flaws in the theory. I'm glad that you're looking at it from another angle, as that's something the community needs more of though. I'll start by answering the questions you present at the end directly with what I believe. 1. Why is Orange Guy not purple? To me, this is actually a really simple answer. Scott has never really made much of an effort to keep character designs consistent, and this goes as far back as FNAF 2, where the character we then knew as Purple Guy had two separate sprites. This was such a big sticking point that there were people theorising that there were two separate murderers - the Pink Guy and the Purple Guy. Sure, at the time of FFPS' release, we knew William as the Purple Guy specifically, but like you said, Scott likes to confuse. Changing the colour I think was the more confusing choice. It's also entirely possible that orange was chosen as it stands out more against the dark backgrounds, thus making it a lot easier to actually see what's going on more clearly. Just a thought. 2.Which of the Aftons are the two other people who live in the Midnight Motorist house? The two we see/hear about in the mini-game, I believe, are Mrs. Afton and Michael Afton. Mrs. Afton being the one sitting on the chair watching TV, coldly telling William to "go easy" on Michael, and Michael being the one who busts out of his own window and runs away. 3.Where are the other two Aftons? The Bite Victim is likely dead at this point, and this is where I think a flaw in your theory shows through. Elizabeth Afton is probably in her room, asleep. The house's layout in the mini-game likely isn't meant to be taken 100% literally, and only exist for the practical purposes of telling the story of the mini-game. If it were meant to be a literal layout of the house, where is the kitchen? Why is there only one bedroom? Where are the bathrooms? These are somewhat vital things to a family of 3 or more, even if they're living in a slightly more secluded area. 4. Why was there an animatronic in the backyard? I don't believe it was an active animatronic. It was more than likely either the sunken footprints of a springlock suit that was frequently utilised in that spot, or was a scarecrow-type construction that William made to terrorise Michael. Either way, the explanation for it being there is quite simply the idea that William thought it a fitting punishment for Michael to be constantly tormented after causing the death of his younger brother. 5. Where did the animatronic go? If it was a springlock suit, it's likely that it's off somewhere else. Either at Freddy's, in the bushes, or in another place we don't see. If it's a scarecrow-style thing using animatronic parts, it's very likely that Michael busted out, took it, and tossed it off somewhere out-of-sight or destroyed it because it was driving him insane. 6. Why was the window broken instead of just being opened from the inside? It's very possible that William sealed the window somehow. Whoever you believe Orange Guy is clearly isn't very happy, and doesn't seem to typically treat whoever the Runaway is with much care. The person on the couch asks Orange Guy to go easy on him, since he had a rough day. When he discovers the door is locked, he gets angry and barges outside to find a broken window, human footsteps that he acknowledges with, "Ran off to that place again. He'll be sorry when he gets back." This is a regular occurrence. So it's likely that prior, Runaway had been opening the window to get out. But when William figured this out, he sealed the window shut to keep him from running away. 7. Where's all the glass on the ground? It's an Atari-style mini-game. Taking every detail (or lack thereof) at face value is a bit ridiculous, at least in my opinion, because of things like the house layout in Midnight Motorist itself, as well as the layout of the house in FNAF 4, and the Fredbear plush's strange locations in that game as well. Orange Guy doesn't mention the mere idea of a break-in, and so I'm going to assume that he knows the window wasn't broken into, because that world is more real for him. The Atari-style mini-games are a mere representation to us. 8. Where is the missing child? This is THE hardest question to answer properly, but it could be any number of places. It could be JR's, like was mentioned, but it also could be somewhere that William wouldn't want to go back to after having just murdered Charlie, if you assume that Orange Guy is meant to be William. It could also be somewhere we never entirely see, though I wouldn't really say that's the most likely place. People think JR's is a bar, but I think it could also be a different type of place. So I think JR's is a real possibility, even if it's Michael who's run away. That's actually something I had never considered before, and I thank you for pointing out that possibility. Hence why it's good to approach this stuff from different angles. 9. What is the mound of dirt? I think it's probably the body of the Bite Victim. A sorrowful reminder that William has to drive by every day. One of how his own failings as a parent, his own neglect, caused the death of his child just as much as Michael's recklessness. He won't let himself forget it just as he won't let Michael. Just as sombre as he is wicked. With that, while I like the approach from a different angle, I believe that there are some major questions that you don't answer that do need answering: 1. Why is Orange Guy driving down the wrong side of the road at blistering speeds in the middle of a rainy night? That level of reckless driving can only come from someone who's incredibly intoxicated, is trying to get away from something, or both in my opinion. 2. If this mini-game isn't about the Aftons, who is it about and why are they important? That's something I really feel like should have been touched on in this video. I like that you presented evidence to it not being the Aftons, but you provided no alternative within the same video. 3. Based on your theory about it being a break-in, why is Orange Guy so dismissive of it? Furthermore, why is Orange Guy convinced that the Runaway broke out of their window and ran off, rather than being concerned that someone broke in and kidnapped them? 4. Why would character colours and designs, something known to be very inconsistent, be of more value than the only two times we ever see a car in this series? We only see a car represented twice in any of the FNAF1-6 mini-games. A purple car in SAVEHIM from FNAF2, and a purple car in Midnight Motorist. I don't believe this to be an Achilles' heel of the theory or anything, but rather, I just feel it's an inconsistent logic to value the thing that appears and subsequently changes more frequently over the thing that very rarely appears and is slightly more consistent. Both are inconsistent, and I think either way they're not the greatest evidence, I was just curious about the logic. 5. Why do we have to see Elizabeth to know she exists in the household? The house is very clearly not representing the actual, literal house in terms of layout. Why can't it just be by design that we don't see her room? We don't see the room of either Orange Guy nor the person on the couch, so where do they sleep? I know this is quite the beast of a KZbin comment, and I didn't expect it to turn out this way when I started writing it, but I wanted to attempt to thoroughly answer your questions at the end of the video, and pose some of my own for you. Ultimately, I think that looking at this from a wildly different angle is ultimately what's gonna help us as a community solve this thing. So regardless of who is correct, I appreciate the fact that this video was made. Even with the holes I was able to poke in your perspective, I'm sure you can poke plenty in mine as well. This mini-game is just so damn frustrating to figure out! Sorry if this came off as mean-spirited, angry, or excessively blunt in any way. I did genuinely still enjoy the video, and liked seeing this perspective. Keep up the good work!

[@cythulhubuthebegamin4902]

Ngl so many of these points are things that were bothering me while watching this video, and I'm very glad you laid them all out here! I did want to answer your question about who other than the Aftons this family is specifically though. This KZbinr made this video as a follow up to a video where they claimed that Cassidy is the child who went missing in this mini game. In my opinion, that video made a better case for itself than this one did, because it focused more on story elements rather than nitpicky details. I highly recommend watching it because it gives very crucial context to this argument.

[@LukiKruki]

Actually it's darker yellow not orange. And yellow is the opposite of purple so to represent William before he went crazy with murders. He killed Charlie while he was drunk, drunk driving car, drunk going back to a bar, drunk yelling at family members for not listing to him. It can very well be his wife house before they got new 2 kids. The Restless and Importal aren't for nothing. The run away is Michael.

[@jayku8857]

I was looking for a comment like this. It's a very nice video but I also felt some parts where nitpicky. Specifically the Elizabeth part.

[@cravenpizzadude110]

Good points, but I feel like the house layout thing doesn’t hold a ton of weight when taking into account how the FNaF 4 house is laid out. THAT game felt that Elizabeth’s room was important enough to show there, even though Elizabeth herself never appears. Plus, that house is also lacking a bathroom and kitchen. So if this really is the Afton’s house, I don’t get not including Elizabeth’s room here, if they did in the FNaF 4 house. Especially considering that Elizabeth is a much mode important character in FNaF 6 than FNaF 4, so not referencing her feels weird. These are just my thoughts tho.

[@jayku8857]

@@cravenpizzadude110 tbf Elizabeth's room wasn't MEANT to be Elizabeth's room when FNAF 4 came out. FNAF 4 was thought to be the end.

[@TheWizardMus]

I think one of the main reasons the fandom clings to the Afton family explanation despite its many flaws(such as timeline placement the color of Mustard Man the footprints etc) is that without the Aftons its hard to tell what Midnight Motorist is actually trying to say, both Fruity Maze and Security Puppet give very clear showings of how Susie and Charlie died, and the idea that Willaim tried to lure a kid from their own house, while matching a lot of evidence, doesnt explain the focus placed on Mustard Man, why is the fact hes banned from Jrs important? Why is Jrs important(because if its just a normal bar its not even important if it IS William(ignoring the fact that the bar explanation makes no sense since alcoholism has never been mentioned before or since MM)) What would be the significance of the unmarked mound of dirt or "that place" The mini game is so cryptic BECAUSE of all of these mini mysteries and most of them lose any potential significance if Mustard Man isnt William. Midnight Motorist almost feels like some of the Security Breach details that end up going nowhere, like the Therapy CDs that really dont mean much for SB's plot.

[@Gunthorpe63210]

I believe the reason we see yellow guy being turned away from JRs is to establish that he is drunk, which further shows that he is an abusive father. The child that was lured back to Freddy's clearly hates his family life, so would take any chance he could to escape it. This is further supported by the fact he runs off there often. All this just makes the MCI more tragic

[@reginah5603]

@@Gunthorpe63210 this could work but the idea of why the animatronic is there in the first place is confusing, maybe if you put in some security breach logic and the animatronics have some personal will and a conscious then there's a possibility that it mayyy have made friends with the kid and it's trying to get him out of the house, but i think that would be leaping in too much for such a cryptic minigame. hope scott releases a chapter in the book series in the future where he at least addresses part of this minigame bc its getting too frustrating atp TT

[@dumbly-stupid]

​@@reginah5603 well the other 2 minigames are about how William lures and kill the kid this could be the same the animatronic footprints are spring bonnies

[@Nome140]

@@reginah5603the footprints could have been left by william’s Springbonnie suit

[@nectarinn3]

​@@Nome140why would william lure in random kids into freddies from random houses in the area?

[@myklsteel8486]

The simple explanation as to why there’s no glass on the ground is that Scott simply thought a broken window was more than enough detail to show what happened in the scenario. It’s an 8-bit mini game after all. Whether the person broke out or something broke in doesn’t really matter unless you know the rest of the situation. He would want to give enough info for theories but not enough info to confirm them.

[@SaerasChuu]

Midnight Motorist is the single most confusing minigame in the entire series. I have never found an interpretation that completely satisfied me. If there was one thing in the series I could get a clear, elaborated answer on exactly what was supposed to be happening, it would be this minigame. I agree with the multitude of questions that need to be answered in order to make Orange Guy being Afton and company make sense. (Realistically, most people say it's Afton because there's so few adult characters it could be. Who else could it be, Henry? Phone guy? doesn't suit either of their personalities.) However, there is one question that is actually very easy to answer. If the person in the chair was a babysitter, then there was no vehicle/bike or anything because someone else dropped them off. Dunno about anywhere else, but in the rural US that's just a thing. Teens/young adults who don't drive will be dropped off at friends' houses to watch the younger kids so the adults can go out and do things. The teen either spends the night or gets picked up and taken home when the adults get back (depends on how close the families are). Dunno how common it is nowadays, but it likely would have been common during Scott's childhood as it was during mine, and I'm younger than him. I don't think the person in the chair is a babysitter--but it's a really easy question to answer with a plausible explanation if you wanted to argue that. Particularly if you're not trying to imply that said 'babysitter' is an important character themself. Which would almost be weirder, why introduce a babysitter who never appears or is mentioned ever again? I also think the lack of glass is easy to answer with "because Scott didn't feel like trying to draw it in a pixel format." Perhaps he felt that a random assortment of specks/triangles on the ground would be easy to misinterpret, and/or believed that the shattered window was sufficient to get his point across of the window being broken. This absence of details that are considered irrelevant would also work for a babysitter interpretation as well, with no vehicle being shown because 'how they got there' wasn't considered important. The minigames are pixelated, and very simplistically at that. Details that appear are SUPER IMPORTANT, like the very prominent animatronic footprint, but details that aren't there likely aren't there because they were deemed unnecessary UNLESS it's specifically pointed out to be absent (like the kid not being in his room.) I feel like this minigame was supposed to explain SOMETHING, but it was so obtuse that no one figured it out.

[@higueraft571]

>This absence of details that are considered irrelevant would also work for a babysitter interpretation as well This is also why a home has *two* rooms, with nothing that you'd really need in a Home, too, the other rooms are irrelevant :V >The teen either spends the night or gets picked up and taken home when the adults get back (depends on how close the families are). There's also the idea of, if Michael's the Runaway, and Henry is at William's house... They're coworkers, they go to the same place. It's not too unlikely William simply picked up Henry and dropped him off. Also assuming they *dont* share the same car, too, which honestly could be possible.

[@TheGeladoo]

The more i think and watch about midnight motorists the more i think scott just made up random details that contradict themselves and add up to nothing just to confuse us and that maybe we should disregard this entire thing altogether

[@kerm7657]

Also if the window was broken from the outside how? There’s no footprints going up to the window only ones going out and away If this dude is going to agrue Willam broke it what did he throw a brick threw the window and then leap in there fnaf 2 style kill the kid and then come out of the room with no traces of blood from ether himself or the corpse somehow?

[@justice8718]

I find it most likely that Henry Emily was the monster/killer and William Afton was there to take Sammy Emily to Freddys. William could walk to Henry's house from Freddys and Sammy could walk to Freddys from Henry's house. The reason why we found a rabbit hole in Midnight Motorist is because William Afton is the one hiding underneath it (as revealed in Fruity Maze). He hid there because he could not get his spirnglock suit wet. Because he had to cover himself up during the rainstorm, Sammy Emily had no way to get inside of Freddys. Thus meaning, "Midnight Motorist" is the prequel of "Take Cake to the Children" and the boy that died in the minigame is Charlie's brother. AKA, the fake "William Afton" we haved followed throughout the fnaf series, Springtrap/Burntrap/ShadowBonnie. The real reason why Sammy "always comes back" is because his sister always brings him back to life. Killing Sammy Emily is pointless if his sister remains active.

[@higueraft571]

@@justice8718 Oh, this guy again. >The reason why we found a rabbit hole in Midnight Motorist is because William Afton is the one hiding underneath it (as revealed in Fruity Maze). Holy shit William Moleman Afton (real) Literally just melts into the surface when things get moist (Florida is his Prison, let him sleep with the Big Water Doggies)

[@Takejiro24]

In regards to #3 about Orange Guy being William, the intro cutscenes of Pizzaeria Simulator depicts a man who resembles what could be William who wears a purple suit, what looks like a security guard's uniform (an old school one at that), and an orange suit. And that thing about William now being orange so his depiction here wouldn't be too confusing: we like a good challenge when it comes to solving the lore, yes. But, at times, the way that it's told can be very frustratingly vague and convoluted (remember FNAF 4?). The fanbase was practically on fire when Michael resurrected as a literal "Purple Guy" as that made the story a needlessly convoluted mess in the eyes of many when the identity of Purple Guy was already set in stone. It really confused the fanbase as to who of the Afton men was *the* "Purple Guy" who murdered the kids and/or who possessed Springtrap in FNAF 3. Miketrap vs. Willtrap was the debate IIRC. Apparently, it got so bad that many people left the fanbase because of it. And Scott took notice and decided to do another game to hopefully clear up any confusion in the previous game (as he did in SL in regards to the Bite of '83 of FNAF 4. And FNAF 4's lore is *still* contentious to this very day).

[@Wizardjones69]

Sadly scott made the worst thing to made the fnaf 6 lore more confusing , made a "canon" retcon to springtrap design just to make the fandom believe that it has a explanation for his design change

[@joaquincasascortes624]

The lore of ALL FNAF is confusing as hell and gets retconned with every ""final"" new instalment. Do I enjoy the story? Yes. Do I enjoy the way the story was told? Hell no. Nobody on a regular playthrough of all games could figure out even 10% of FNAF lore.

[@JDH109]

Personally I always assumed the color change of William was for 2 reasons. 1. Multiple purple people. The context for this game in particular was just after Scott had made the decision to make Micheal a literal walking corpse, a literal purple man. Recall the fnaf world update dialogue of "Dont confuse me for the actual purple guy, I'm just a game sprite." Micheal is a literal purple man, and William is only purple because it best represents a shadowy figure in an Atari style mini game where having it as a black shadow wouldn't work well visually. So scott chose to give William his own color here to differentiate between the two so people wouldn't be debating on whether it was William or Michael in this scene. (And of course in true scott fashion, instead caused a debate on whether or not this was an afton at all-) 2. Narrative story telling. Going back again to why Williams color was purple to begin with. Its because purple is meant to portray shadow, a figure unknown lurking from the dark. Every time weve seen the purple sprute used to represent William in these games, it's through the eyes of characters who only really know him as the shadow figure. (Foxy gogogo is from foxys POV. Save him and save them is from Freddy's pov. Every single fnaf three cutscene featuring the Purple guy is from the pov from one of the victims. And fnaf 4 being from the pov of the crying child [I know that doesn't make sense since that should be his son, but there is the line of "what is scene in shadows is misunderstood in the mind of a child." So its possible CC just didn't recognize his dad since he was, again, covered in shadow.]) Purple is used to convay mystery and unknown that purple guy was to his victims. But Midnight Motorist (assuming for a second this is true) is from Aftons pov. Thus there is no shadow. There is no mystery. We know William, and William knows himself. Just a drunken father stumbling home. Why the choice of orange then? Well, is argue the color chosen is actually closer to gold. The color of Spring bonnie, the suit he would go on to use to commit all his murders. So id say its a clever narrative tie to show us that he's not a mysterious figure anymore. We know who this guy is and what he becomes, and the game is showing us that he's already too far gone now. So that's what I'd argue for why he isnt his usual color. But we don't need him to be purple for us to say its William. Theres a ton of evidence that points to it being such. For one, his car is purple, matching the color of the car that drove by and killed charlie outside. That and the minigame in the files is titled "later that night" implying this happens directly after something else. And the only thing we know for sure happened being chalries murder, where tire tracks can be seen by her body. We can say that Micheal is the runaway since its not in character for the crying child to go as far as to break a window. Micheal on the other hand, yeah I wouldn't put it passed him. As to where is Elizabeth. Well, she could just be there. Minigames dont always give us direct literally showings of reality. Only the necessary bits. The house we're shown only has a living room that leads to a hall with a single bedroom. No other bedrooms, no kitchen, no bathroom, no anything. Its silly to assume that what we're shown is a literal 1-1 with the actual house. So we can say Elizabeth is simply asleep in her bedroom and thus not shown to us. Remember this is through Williams pov. He's completely focused on Micheal at the moment, likely still angry over the death of CC, so it makes sense that from his pov, at the moment, Michaels room is the only one that exists for him. Hope that clears some things up though. This wasn't made to tear down the video, just to give my own thoughts.

[@masonrockwood7732]

Also, artistically isn't the color purple tied to the idea of death in our story? If I understand the timeline, William hasn't murdered anyone as of this minigame, so he's colored as a 'regular guy'.

[@annabelle2523]

@@masonrockwood7732 well a lot of people think the "later that night" (the game's name in files) is referring to the night charlie is killed since it is also raining then.

[@francisquito4590]

@@annabelle2523 And it's the same car under that rain too

[@JDH109]

@@masonrockwood7732 Theoretically, this minigame takes place a meer hour or so after what most (myself included) believe to be Williams first murder. So not sure if this artistic view theory works out of "Purple = death" but I'd definitely like to do some more thinking about it!

[@masonrockwood7732]

@@JDH109 I was unaware of the 'later that night' info. This is the first minigame from William's perspective, so he's framed as a person instead of a shadowy monster. That's what I think at least.

[@depressedcakke3877]

21:30 Wouldn’t it be more confusing to make William orange instead of purple? If he was purple in the mini game, the fans could get confused on wether it’s Michael or William, but that still narrows it down to only two suspects. If Scot made William orange, it opens up a whole possibility of who the orange man could possibly be. If he was purple, it’s really only between two people, but since we’ve never seen an orange man before this…it could be anyone. Making him purple would be easier to understand than making him orange, so I agree that this point doesn’t make sense

[@grimace3983]

it's hard for me to imagine that "later that night" could mean something other than it being the same night Charlie was murdered and that this is Afton coming home afterward. it's raining, it's a purple car like William's, and the title being "later that night" heavily implies midnight motorist being the events that happen after William kills Charlie. at the same time, you really have me stumped as to what combination of characters involved would work. i can only imagine it being the Aftons residence but at the same time seems impossible given what you've presented. i will also note that the house in the fnaf 4 minigames and the house here in midnight motorist seem to be in different locations, the former in a neighborhood and the latter in the forest, so unless the Afton family moved in some short period of time then either the Aftons residence's location is inconsistent or as you said it's not the same family. my other thought is that if it ISN'T the Aftons, then who is this family and why is this minigames presented as something important? why show some random family and give practically no more context? honestly i just think the whole minigame itself may be inconsistent, not just the family in it

[@Ottomizer]

I think the entire point of Midnight Motorist was to act as a vague epilogue to the death of Charlotte. Because as you said in the video, the community loves a mystery and Scott is more than happy to provide them. We saw this with FNaF2 when the community debated whether the game took place following the conclusion of FNaF1 or preceding it. William not being portrayed as purple can be ruled as perfectly logical as the entire purpose of this minigame was to be as vague as possible. The Orange Guy's car being purple is more than enough to infer that the character we are playing as is William. He is the only character to my knowledge to ever be associated with a car, let alone a purple one. The rest of the cars being depicted as purple in the main Midnight Motorist minigame is totally irrelevant. As soon as you take the secret exit hidden in the minigame (thus removing you from the minigame itself and its established context) you are transported to a much more detailed environment with entirely different conditions. For instance, we see additional cars parked outside of JR's. None of them are purple. This is entirely deliberate. This logic can be applied to every other confusing instance in the minigame. The building the Orange Guy travels to provides no insights into its nature. It is literally only named "JR's." Junior? To whom? Or in this context, to what? Was there an establishment that predates the one visited by the Orange Guy? If so, where is it? Is it even still in operation? If not, what happened to it? And why isn't the Orange Guy allowed to inside? These questions are important as this is an obvious red herring and reference to the FNaF2 and the missing children incident. The Purple Guy was not allowed on the premises due to the ongoing investigation. Unless we are to conclude that this was entirely coincidental, it is more than safe to assume that this is a deliberate parallel between the Orange Guy and the Purple Guy. The setting itself is equally as important. The Security Puppet minigame as well as the Midnight Motorist minigame take place during the night in the midst of some sort of rainstorm. Those elements of the setting were placed there specifically for the observer to create a connection between the two events. After all, Midnight Motorist happened "later that night." Even the very name of the minigame ("Later That Night") should raise major red flags. Scott is not referring to some random night. He is referencing "that" night. It implies that we have already seen the events he is referring to. If Scott was not referring to an event we have already witnessed, wouldn't he have named the minigame something else? Such as "Midnight Motorist?" So, which night could he be referring to? Well, what other night do we see depicted in FFPS? The night Charlotte is killed. While I do agree that Scott most likely added tire tracks to make the connection between the "Save Him" victim and Charlotte, I also think it was placed there deliberately to act as a cliffhanger. Almost as if it say "to be concluded..."

[@Ishoulddeletethis]

Making William not purple is a strange and unusual choice. If this is William, why isn’t he purple? In every other minigame William is purple, so why is this one different? In the main MM minigame, the car is pink. Every other car is purple, but the one we drive is pink. In the “Later that Night” part, the brighter part of the car is more blue than purple, but definitely has a bit of purple it there. While the bottom part is either a desaturated pink or purple or somewhere in between. The car can be read as purple, but it might not be. And as far as I’m aware, William is the only person we have previously seen with a car. Anyway, the more important part. If JR’s is supposed to reference the FNaF 2 investigation. Then, no one was allowed in or out of the building; that didn’t just apply to William, it applied to everyone. Also, what investigation is happening at JR’s? If we are playing as William and “Later That Night” refers to Charlie’s death. Then this can’t be where Charlie died as we don’t drive home from JR’s. So, what investigation is happening? Someone else died at JR’s and an investigation is going on, so Orange Guy can’t be let in; and that only exists as a reference to FNaF 2? That doesn’t make any sense.

[@marcellmolnar8205]

@@Ishoulddeletethis William being Yellow/orange could be a reference to the Fredbear plush in Fnaf 4. Because of Sister Location we know that most likely he was the one who talked to the Crying Child through the plush and since both of them are sort of yellow, it's a clear parallel. Btw pink and purple are basically the same in this franchise. In Fnaf 2, in one of the minigames William is pink, but he is still the same person

[@Ishoulddeletethis]

@@marcellmolnar8205 If thats the case then why is this minigame specifically referencing the Fredbear plush? There is no answer you can give that would actually answer: “Why is he orange?” It doesn’t make any sense for him deviate from purple in this specific minigame. I do understand what you’re saying about the pink and purple thing. However, it is a design choice, so I thought to point it out.

[@Oneandonly-xg6iu]

@@Ishoulddeletethis Probably to not make it so obvious, I'm guessing, And also, the uniforms for Freddy's staff are purple, so he probably took it off because the blood would have been noticeable.

[@Ishoulddeletethis]

@@Oneandonly-xg6iu Ok, but what is the problem with it being obvious? What motive is there for not making him purple? Also, where is it said/shown that the uniforms are purple?

[@SinnamonAstonish]

Really loving the point you made about orange guy not just being able to go get him "from that place" and thus connecting it to juniors since he's unable to go there. Also I think making the player orange in this minigame could have been done entirely to stir up more debate. If the character was purple the community would immediately know it was either Michael or William. By making him a different color it adds more confusion to the situation, which as you stated is what the fans love. I believe in a previous video you mentioned the link between the color of orange and Cassidy which I still find compelling and one of the most fascinating points made about Midnight Motorist. That and the course of action the missing "he" would have had to take in order to break the window to sneak off to that place again without having any glass on the ground outside. Excited to see what the Ruin video has in store!

[@cravenpizzadude110]

I’m happy someone is actually breaking down how most people’s ideas of Midnight Motorist aren’t right, it just goes to show how much this community considers the general consensus as gospel rather than really thinking about the implications. It’s a problem I’ve had with Matpat’s fanbase for a while, so it’s nice to see so many newer theorists in the scene start to set things straight. EDIT: I’m realizing in the replies to this comment that I may have come off a bit harshly towards Matpat. I don’t hold any grudges against him and I think he’s a solid theorist, even if I tend to disagree with a lot of what he says. ANOTHER EDIT: Thinking more about this, and talking with other commentors made me realize the whole “not taking the minigames at face value” idea kinda kills this theory. I mean, Circus Baby wasn’t *literally* running through a field throwing cupcakes at children. So that logic can be applied to other games too, and it makes sense to me at this point that Elizabeth could just be somewhere else in the house that we can’t see.

[@inferrad]

hi

[@funnymanactivities]

its hard not to take stuff as gospel when we confirm so much of the timeline, its nice to see someone try and think something new every once and a while

[@blackwhitestudios5953]

Could you elaborate on what other things matpat takes for gospel that you disagree with? I like hearing counterpoints to theories

[@yallaintit]

It's more MatPat's fans' problem that they take his word. Not really a MatPat issue. After all, he starts and ends every video stating that it's just HIS theory.

[@cravenpizzadude110]

@@blackwhitestudios5953 The one everyone brings up is Gregbot, which he mostly believes because of the CRT-style lines that go over his vision whenever Vanny’s around, and the whole Afton family connection thing where Vanessa = Elizabeth, Freddy = Michael, etc. I’ve not seen his newest Ruin theory yet, so maybe he changed his mind about the idea. But I feel like there’s so much evidence against it at this point that there’s no reason to believe it anymore. GGY clearly shows us that Gregory has an actual life and parents and stuff, and never at any point in ANYTHING, be it the Tales books, Ruin, or anything else in base-game Security Breach, is Gregory even slightly hinted at being a robot. The CRT-lines is most likely just a stylistic choice in the same vain as Moon with the stars, while I feel like the Afton family connections at this point don’t really impact anything in Ruin, implying they may not have really meant anything at all. If I missed any evidence for or against Gregbot, someone feel free to correct me.

[@brandonnn9543]

The fact that the mini game is named “later that night,” has the same rain as the puppet death mini game, we know William used a purple car when he killed her, there’s tire tracks in the mini game, and he’s speeding on the highway there’s just no way that william afton isn’t the orange guy. But I just don’t understand why Scott would make him orange. Maybe it was because he wanted to make William stand out from the rain and black background?

[@Cryonide]

He’s had no problem putting William against black backgrounds before. He also had no problem putting a purple car behind a black background, so I don’t see why a person would be any different.

[@452pokemaster]

“I’m willing to look past the purple car,” “When it comes to the fact that the rain at the end of the security puppet mini game looks the exact same as the rain in midnight motorist, this is another thing I’m willing to look past.” “I still have no reason to believe that this window was open from the inside, because, as I said in my previous Midnight Motorist video, there’s no glass on the ground.” I can’t fathom how these conclusions about the evidence are drawn. I know, I know. It’s very hard to discern which evidence should or should not be considered when theory crafting, but come on! Why do people always cherry pick evidence in this community? I do agree with you on this: it is hypocritical to use the car’s colour as evidence but also ignore the colour of the character we play as. However… it’s hypocritical to turn a blind eye to the colour of the car while also calling out the lack of glass outside a broken window. There’s just no winning, is there? Well, maybe there is. If one were to say that the colour of the car is significant, the colour of the driver should be too. Why isn’t the driver purple? That would be too easy, and Scott never makes things easy. If we can narrow down who we’re playing as in this mini game to only two characters, it takes away the mystery. Why is he yellow/orange specifically? It’s not like William has ever been represented with those colours; he’s only ever been purple …is the conclusion most people draw, but I’m not most people. Remember what colour his Spring Bonnie suit is?

[@umargul6048]

Except we do explain William being orange. And the explanation is that he is out in the open, not confined to the shadows like he is every time he's appeared in the minigames prior to MM.

[@raysandrarexxia941]

3:30 Ah toxic peer pressure at its finest. Don't give in!

[@xedusk]

I don't think the person in the chair is Mrs.Afton, but I do feel like some of your points against it were weak. Like, why would she babysit for William? Well, because they're her kids, too. Why wouldn't she babysit her own children? You yourself said we know next to nothing about her, so how can you assume she's so bitter about William winning the court case that she’d just throw away her entire relationship with her kids? I mean, if she no longer has custody of the kids, you'd think she'd be even more happy to babysit them since this would be her only chance to see them. I feel like assuming she's dead makes more sense.

[@koutyu5573]

New idea: Due to Ruin’s Candy Cadet story, Midnight Motorist might literally just be the aftermath of the story

[@Cryonide]

RUIN's candy cadet story specifically calls out a mother and a little boy who live alone in the woods, Midnight Motorist shows a family of three.

[@enolopanr9820]

@@Cryonide the candy cadet stories are famously symbolic. If the gender is changed, the core idea or story can still apply

[@ExistChar]

I think he more means the numbers.

[@amajeee]

​@isaacswoyer9820 this isn't applicable to the candy cadet story in ruin because he says a mom and a son. no other children are mentioned in the story. yes gender is interchangeable in fnaf but the story just doesn't align with midnight motorist.

[@something7836]

The Candy Cadet story is paralleling the Mimic, it's irrelevant to Midnight Motorist.

[@LordGui_]

Ok so here's what i think: -Orange Guy is William - Person in the chair is Michael -Elizabeth is dead - Mount of dirt could be Elizabeth or Mrs Afton if she killed herself after the court case - Runaway is the Crying Child -The foot print is an animatronic made by William to scare him to protect him after Elizabeth died - We dont have enough information about 'that place' although I like your theory about it being Jrs - I have no idea why there isnt glass on the floor, maybe the animatronic broke the window? -The "Dont you remember what you saw" could be refering to Elizabeth's death (maybe the crying child saw it) and not to the runaway Idk if i forgot anything, feel free to comment

[@higueraft571]

>Person in the chair is Michael Doesnt fit his behavior or color, he's more often associated with Purple after the Bite, and even before... many MANY characters use Grey, including Charlie in that same game. >Mount of dirt could be Elizabeth or Mrs Afton if she killed herself after the court case Too early for Elizabeth, and Mrs Afton almost certainly never had that court case. >Runaway is the Crying Child Again, most CERTAINLY doesnt fit his behavior, and why would he be running away repeatedly? >I have no idea why there isnt glass on the floor, maybe the animatronic broke the window? Likely because the broken window gives enough of an idea, without adding in piles of extra effort, much like how the house has only 2 rooms, but we KNOW it has more than 2 for a fact. >The "Dont you remember what you saw" could be refering to Elizabeth's death (maybe the crying child saw it) and not to the runaway "What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child." implies there was a misunderstanding. Seeing one thing and thinking another. Like, say... a man being put in a Springlock, and thinking he's being EATEN by the Springlock. Why do you think Michael specifically focused on shoving his brother's head *in* Fredbear's mouth? A lot of hints towards them "eating" him? Seeing a corpse or a murder doesnt leave much room for misunderstanding what's going on, especially when it still scares the everloving shit out of him...

[@henryapplebottom7231]

Year later, Bro has been lapped.

[@sworishina]

19:29 I have a theory about MM that no one's really been able to poke any serious holes in as of yet, and I've been sharing it around YT in hopes it can make it deeper into the theorist community. I'll try and answer all those questions you're asking and you can decide if it fits. To preface, I think where people go wrong with MM is assuming that this is William's house. I do believe orange guy is William, but I'd argue that the house is Henry's. The kid running off is Michael, with the animatronic being Golden Freddy. I'll elaborate through answering the questions. --How Mike escaped: The window was already broken (hence no glass; it's been cleaned up), or it was broken from the outside. --How Mike got past/got rid of the animatronic: He didn't need to. Golden Freddy wasn't there to attack him (when has GF ever actually been aggressive towards Mike? He literally just shows up and says "it's me"). GF is there to warn Mike that William is almost home, so that Mike can run off to JR's. --Where the animatronic went: GF can teleport wherever he wants. That's part of why it's got to be him; there's only a single pair of pawprints in the spot where he showed up. He's likely with Mike, or went back to.... the mound. Yeah we're getting there. --Why Mike broke out: Either William broke the window in a drunken rage, or Mike broke the window in a previous escape because it was his only option (William is just as scary to Mike as an animatronic). Some windows are locked with a key, and if that's the case for that window, Mike wouldn't be able to just open it. Heck, maybe the lack of glass is to imply that it was broken from the outside by GF to help him escape. --What the mound of dirt is: It's where Henry buried the Fredbear suit (aka Golden Freddy). He feels ashamed after one of his inventions kills his business partner's kid, and so he buries the suit to forget about it. --Who's in the chair: Henry. It's his house. William and Mike are staying for a few days while they find an apartment (even if you have money, that takes time). They've left the Afton house because William and Mrs. Afton are getting divorced. Henry lets them stay with him because he feels kind of obligated to since he was part of the cause of the Crying Child's death and the subsequent deterioration of the Afton marriage. --Where the rest of the Afton family is: Crying Child is dead, Elizabeth and Mrs. Afton are still at the Afton house. Custody battle hasn't started yet but Mrs. Afton blames both Mike and William for the Crying Child's death so she makes William take Mike with him. --Why animatronic outside: Crying Child wakes up as GF in the mound. Starts wandering around. One day, he runs into Mike, who has just moved into the house and is trying to run off to JR's to escape William. Or GF finds the house and starts lurking outside Mike's window. Or Mike visits the mound since it's the closest thing to a grave for his brother that he can visit. Whatever you like. GF remembers Mike's last words to him, about how he was sorry. He misses having a family and wants to have a better relationship with Mike. Mike is scared of GF at first but once he realizes it's his brother he starts spending lots of time with him. GF sees how Mike is suffering at the hands of William (or Mike tells him) and so GF starts coming to the window whenever William is almost home so that Mike knows when to leave. Oh, and about the lack of another car. Well, Charlie is at Freddy's, and someone had to drive her there. She probably has a mother? Or it's that brother of hers from the books that drove it? Or Henry prefers public transportation lol. Whatever the way she got there, if she was at Freddy's w/o her dad, it would've been because Henry is trying to protect Mike while also keeping Charlie out of the house and away from violent William. (And by the way, In the illustrated opening and endings of Pizza Sim, a character in a purple suit with accents of orange is depicted. That's probably meant to connect William to orange guy as being the same person.) Anyways, that's pretty much everything, so if you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer them. I hope this was a brain teaser, at the very least.

[@sworishina]

@@timonelfert 1) When your window breaks, you hire someone to come replace it with a new one. It can take a couple days since first they have to visit your house and take measurements, as well as give you a pricetag. 2) GF is also haunted by the Crying Child, not just Cassidy. That's why GF says "It's me" to Mike, because CC is also haunting it. Cassidy doesn't need to be there for GF to do stuff. 3) The FNAF 4 house presented in the minigames and in the nights isn't the one on the menu. The map of SL shows that all of FNAF 4 takes place underground, and Dittophobia confirms it (but I don't like to talk about the books so I digress). 4) GF could've broken the window, or Mike could've. It doesn't have to be GF who broke it. This is mentioned in my original comment. 5) GF is still a real suit, he can just teleport around. He doesn't float or anything. When he teleports to outside the window, he leaves a single set of footprints on the ground. 6) It's normal in many places for windows to have locks. Henry just bought a house that happens to have locked windows. This especially makes sense for a house in the middle of the woods, it's a good safety feature. 7) Why Henry would bury the suit and why Mike would visited are both explained in my original comment. 8) The whole reason for it not being William's house is so that Henry can be the person in the chair, because it makes far more sense for Henry to care about Mike's wellbeing than Mrs. Afton, who probably hates Mike for killing CC, if she even exists. And of course, Henry wouldn't bury CC on his property. In fact, would William bury CC on his property? Surely he'd want his child buried in a nice cemetery. 9) If not JR's or Fredbear's, Mike could've well run off to the mound (he's just not arrived yet when William visits it). 10) When GF speaks through Nightmare Fredbear in UCN, there are three voices. A girl, a boy, and a man. Girl is Cassidy, boy is CC, and the man is probably Phone Guy since in FNAF one when he dies we hear a GF jumpscare sound at the end of the final recording. Easydub they're all in there. Also the logbook has Cassidy and CC and Mike all talking in it. 11) When it comes to the wife, I assume you mean Henry's wife not William's here. But yeah Henry has like a dead wife in the books I think? But he doesn't have to have a wife, pretty much anyone like a friend of Charlie could've picked her up and taken her to the party. Are you trying to say Vlad and Clara are Henry and his wife though? Because it's definitely William and a woman. In fact, recently someone pointed out that Clara is referred to as Vlad's "mistress" (affair partner) and this might be a hint that he had an affair baby with someone. And the affair baby would likely be Cassidy since that would give her more of a reason to be TOYSNHK. In fact that means she could've been killed and stuffed BEFORE CC even died, to hide the evidence he cheated because William would do that. And then you have no trouble with GF not being at all possessed yet. 12) 5th MCI victim is still Cassidy. 13) Fredbear's makes more sense for Charlie's death, you're right. But I wasn't really concerned about the specific location where she died when I wrote this post, I just said Freddy's because it happened somewhere with a bear animatronic IDK. 14) Dittophobia moment. THE WHOLE AREA IS AN UNDERGROUND RECREATION 🤪 FNAF 4 is literally just Mike dreaming the jumbled-up memories of CC and whoever William was torturing in the bunker, whether it be Mike or someone else. Somebody pretty prominent made a video on it so if you're curious I'd go looking at people's Dittophobia videos. 15) Doesn't matter if MatPat got almost everything right. Scott changes things that aren't explicitly canon plenty. Ain't no way the Mimic for example was planned from the start. 16) FFPS is the box?? I need more of an explanation on that one. Oh and BTW the other locations shown on the FFPS map are places like the Plushtrap room.

[@sworishina]

@@timonelfert I'm reading your response and realizing the trouble here is that you're talking about what might've been canon a while back and I'm talking about the state of canon today, with the newer books being very closely tied to it. The books aren't 1:1 but most people agree they give you pieces of the lore due to stuff like the Mimic being explained in the books. Some even believe the newer books are 100% canon (which I think is crazy but I digress). Dittophobia is really hard to explain (just watch a video on it) but basically it's the whole story of FNAF 4 put into context. In it a boy is being terrorized by night terrors only to find out it was all an experiment in an underground area connected to the SL bunker. The kid was hallucinating due to gas leaks (sound familiar?) and it's possible he was the person found dead in the vents in Sister Location the game??? It's actually insane. Multiple people possessing the same animatronic is also seen in the books during the Stitchwraith series, which may possibly parallel the story of GF but who knows 🤪 The FNAF Security Logbook is a puzzle book that's probably just straight canon. It's Mike's security logbook and in it he communicates with CC and Cassidy (you can figure out through the puzzles their conversations). Honestly you and I are basically arguing about different versions of canon, the version that existed at the end of FNAF6 and the version that exists now, so there's no point. (Also I was talking about the screen in Funtime Freddy's room, my bad lol! Two very different things :P)

[@TheKingOfIdiots]

Your comment on Mrs. Afton and the custody case gave a me an idea too; It could be possible that at some point, Mrs. Afton decides "Nope, I'm just gonna leave William" maybe due to the MCI or some other factor, and William wins the custody battle, which explains why there is no mother around to be with Elizabeth. Just a hypothesis.

[@EeveePrincessXD]

Hot take: William could still be IN Midnight Motorist, just not as Orange Guy. What if the animatronic footprints outside the bedroom and the broken glass come from the same thing: William breaking in and kidnapping someone in his good old Spring Bonnie suit? If Orange Guy knows William (say, if it’s Henry and he knows some of what’s been going on at this point), then the line “he ran off to that place again. He’ll be sorry when he gets back” could take on new meaning, as it’s referring to William messing with Henry’s family and the “he’ll be sorry” is Henry seeing this as the last straw and deciding to confront William directly

[@higueraft571]

>William breaking in and kidnapping someone in his good old Spring Bonnie suit? One. Where the hell did William kill a kid by abducting them from their home?? There's not a SINGLE victim that fits this. Two. It's raining, this is practically *suicidal* for a Springlock suit. Three. So nobody raised a question when someone walked off with one of their expensive mascot costumes, and came back far muddier and soggier with a screaming kicking child, before dragging them to the saferoom or something?

[@c.r.blankenship9040]

@@higueraft571he would have lured the child away, but probably still would have had to break the window. This would actually explain the lack of glass on the ground because the window would have broken inward. He also either A) might have used a cloth mascot suit instead of a spring lock suit, or B) this happened earlier when it wasn’t raining. That said, I think it’s a stretch to say that it would be Henry, because that begs the question of who is the kidnapping victim? As far as we know, no version of Sammy is an Afton victim, and it’s debatable if he exists in the games at all. My guess would be that this is the family of the second MCI victim, since one of the newspapers suggests that there were two at first and later three more. Also consider that the Chica’s High School days scenes give clues to how William lured each victim, and one of them involves going to their house.

[@higueraft571]

@@c.r.blankenship9040 >he would have lured the child away, but probably still would have had to break the window. This still doesnt really scream "i am a friend", it typically means "i'm a kidnapper" :V >My guess would be that this is the family of the second MCI victim, since one of the newspapers suggests that there were two at first and later three more. "Two local children were reportedly lured into a back room during the late hours of operation at Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza on the night of June 26th." "Five children are now linked to the incident at Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza, where a man dressed as a cartoon mascot lured then into a back room." There's also kind of just the common sense aspect to consider: What makes more sense? That he lured 5 kids within the location into the back rooms during opening hours, with two immediately identified and 3 noticed after review/when parents reported their disappearances around the same time? (or generally, two parents reported to the police immediately, while three were delayed) That he walked out into the night, AWAY from the vulnerable children, towards some random house, convinced a kid to follow him, smashed their window (instead of opening it), then led them BACK to the pizza place, straight into the back room to kill them? It doesnt really make sense to go for a target SO far away and potentially bust his own ass (by walking out of the place as conspicuously as possible, with one of their mascots, not to mention getting mud/dirt and debris all over it), just to get 3 kids when there's a billion RIGHT next to him. >Also consider that the Chica’s High School days scenes give clues to how William lured each victim, and one of them involves going to their house. Please god stop using this as direct evidence. When you look at that in this context, it falls apart *completely.* First, the Characters: - Chica is hardly related to William at all, aside from MAYBE being Yellow. - The Victims dont match, even if we count Charlie (which, again, if this is the MCI, doesnt work). Like, why is it *Pigpatch* of all people? Why The Wolf? Funtime Foxy? There's like 3 separate "could be foxy"s in there for seemingly no reason. - The order doesnt match in the slightest. If we considered this... Gabriel (Freddy) dies first, then whoever the fuck The Wolf is supposed to be (i guess Suzie??), then Jeremy (Bonnie), then Fritz (Foxy) maybe (unless that's 2nd), then Charlie (despite likely happening prior to the MCI, possibly by a while), then i GUESS Cassidy (GFreddy) (despite nothing lining up aside from being a free slot/most brutal?) - The methods to kill. Why would William Afton need to do Homework. What about the fire thing? The Hostages? I'll also add, the specific victim you're talking about *isnt even an MCI victim,* theoretically. It'd be Charlie. "Look at those strings, those long beautiful strings! He'll be mine by the end of the day, I just know it. I told him to come over later. That should be enough. And if he doesn't show up, I'll just go to his house! And if he doesn't open the door, I'll just find a window! Chimney's always a option. Or, I could set the house on fire, and wait for him to run out! Then he could run into MY arms!" When you look at it critically, the *only* thing that lines up is that one of them has a dead dog who was ran over (although one HAD a dead dog, and the other was told it), and that they're being killed. On the other hand... it completely throws all orders of deaths into chaos, and it even contradicts ALL the other theories of "who was first". The Help Wanted 2 Tombstones? Different order (even if i dont believe that at all). Chica's line in UCN? She wasnt the first, unless you count the killer as "first", at best she's second (which IS closer to the "Charlie was first, but Suzie was the first MCI" theory, but still not there). Charlie being first? Doesnt work, she's practically last besides what might be gfreddy. Generally, the theory i like most about it is "this isnt any specific incident, but it's closer to how Afton's mind works"? It gives SOME sort of explainable reason for it to exist, fits closer to what we know (scheming, misleading), and doesnt pull completely contradictory info compared to the rest of the game :V As for there not being glass on the ground? Why would there need to be? The window was shattered, a child walked/ran away (again), and there was an animatronic that was standing there infront of some bushes. Actually, this raises another point: Why would the supposed MCI parent be so casual? There's animatronic footprints, and the window is shattered. He knows where the kid is going ("that place") and makes it clear it's a reoccurring issue,, and that he'll make sure the suffer for doing it this time. If we were to pay attention to details (or the lack of, like the broken glass), why would "William" have absolutely 0 footsteps aside from the two just standing there? He isnt walking with the kid to lead him, only two prints standing at the window. Does William have teleportation powers or such? Why dont we see him walk away? Generally, this theory has a bunch of holes, even compared to a good few other options, and it even contradicts the pre-established lore to a degree...

[@arealautisticguy6906]

Alright, I’ll have a go at the questions, I think I’ve come up with good explanations. 1. Why is the Orange Guy not Purple, assuming it’s William Afton? I think this is to represent that William is drunk right now, and that he got drunk at JR’s, proceeded to get kicked out, went and killed Charlie, and drove back to his house. 2. Who are the 2 people in the house? I believe that the missing child is in fact Michael Afton, as I think (as I’ll explain later) that both other kids are already dead by this point. As for the person sitting in the chair, I believe that to be a teenage babysitter WITHOUT A CAR. 3. If the person sitting in the chair is a Babysitter, how did they get there? The reason I specify a teenage babysitter without a car, is for this question, as I don’t think it unreasonable that A: a babysitter would a 17 to 19 year old, and B: a late teenager babysitter’s parent would drop them off if they don’t have a car, thus solving as to why there is no car parked outside the house. 4. Where are the other 3 Aftons in that scenario? I believe that, by this point, both Elizabeth and the Crying Child are dead, as I’ll explain later, and also that this is after the Afton Divorce, meaning Mrs. Afton is staying in her own house, or more likely a relative’s house. 5. Why is there an Animatronic in the Backyard? I hadn’t really thought about it until you gave the suggestion that it was a Scarecrow, which, to me, makes sense. In this case, William knows Michael killed CC (Crying Child), and hates him for it. So, he constructs a crude fake of Fredbear and puts it outside Michael’s window before leaving for the night, in order to torment him. 6. Where did the Animatronic go? Until Michael had got outside, he had forgot entirely about the Scarecrow (I’ll (once again) explain why later), and then realised it was there and a fake, and so trashed it and threw it into the bushes. 7. Why was the window broken instead of opened? I think that it had been locked by William earlier in the day, in order to prevent Michael from having a proper look at the Scarecrow Animatronic. As to why Michael would want to escape anyway, he perhaps did not want to be around when William came back, scared he might hit him or something, and so broke through the window with such desperation that he didn’t even notice the Scarecrow Animatronic. This went unheard by the Babysitter, who was watching TV at a load volume. 8. Why was there no glass on the ground if the window had been broken from the inside? I also have a question: Why is there no blood by the dead kids in the Foxy Minigame, Give Life Minigame, or the Give Cake Minigame from FNaF2? I’ll tell you why, because not all details are represented in the 8bit Minigames. Even in FFPS, there’s no blood by Charlie in her Minigame. What I mean to say is, not all minute details are going to be included in these 8bit minigames. Plus, it would probably be pointless to add glass shards on the ground if there were already footprints coming from the window, heavily implying whoever broke the window was doing so to escape. 9. Where did the Missing Child (Michael) go? Considering what I’ve come up with, the safest place for Michael to go at this point in time would be his mother’s house, as this is post-divorce. 10. What is the mound of dirt? I believe this is the amateur grave of CC, as I doubt William would just let it get out that his child died at Fredbear’s, due to an animatronic. I think it much more likely that he instead claimed CC simply disappeared, perhaps abducted, at Fredbear’s, still forcing the place to eventually be shut down. As to why Michael wouldn’t say anything about this, William would more than likely threaten Michael with suggesting he might reveal Michael’s involvement with CC’s death. He would also hide it from his wife, but a child’s disappearance at one’s spouse’s animatronic diner would probably still result in divorce. Extra detail: Nightmare Fredbear’s design was made while Scott was still acting under Dream Theory, meaning he could not have based its design off of Elizabeth’s death (In fact, it’s more likely the reverse is true, basing Elizabeth’s death off of the Stomach Teeth of Nightmare Fredbear). As for an actual explanation, the mind is a strange thing. If FNaF4 is Michael’s nightmares, then it’s possible that Fredbear having Stomach Teeth is just Michael’s brain being fucky, as dreams and nightmares aren’t exactly realistic. Timeline of Events: Crying Child Dies William covers this up, claiming it was abduction instead William buries CC Mrs. Afton files for Divorce Elizabeth is forced to testify against her mother by William, perhaps unintentionally William wins custody of Michael and Elizabeth William the learns that Michael essentially killed CC, thus begins to hate him Michael, at multiple points, goes to his mother’s house, perhaps for comfort or to comfort, without William’s knowing, William does not like this William sets up the Scarecrow Fredbear outside Michael’s window (which he also locks) while Michael is not there William hires a teenage babysitter to look after Michael Babysitter is dropped off by their parent William heads off to Circus Baby’s Pizza World for its Grand Opening in the evening, as it essentially functions as an overnight childcare facility Elizabeth dies soon after it opens William is the first to discover Elizabeth, pulls the fire alarm in order to force everyone to flee the building, stores away Circus Baby and puts Elizabeth’s body somewhere no-one will find it, to be later buried alongside CC William drives to JR’s Bar to get drunk, causes a ruckus, and gets kicked out William drives to the still-open Fredbear’s and kills Charlie whilst drunk William starts to head back to the house Michael, fearing William will hurt him, breaks through his bedroom window, momentarily forgetting the Scarecrow that he’s been seeing all night Michael realises the Scarecrow is there and that it is fake, thus decides to trash it and throw it into the bushes Michael then runs off to his mother’s house William arrives at the house Michael is forced to go back to William’s house as per the Custody Agreement Later on, Mrs. Afton dies (probably suicide) Then, everything else after Charlie’s and Elizabeth’s deaths Thanks if you’ve read all of this, I don’t mind if you disagree, since we’re all wrong about all of this in some aspect, but I hope I might’ve been able to convince you

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

I feel like it makes more sense that the person in the window is being lured out the window

[@yallaintit]

I HIGHLY doubt a babysitter would talk to a (possibly) drunk, aggressive father like that lol

[@jukkahurskainen5192]

I read through the whole thing, and even though I’ve never played the games, I’ve seen lore videos through the wazoo. Maybe the chair person is the teenage babysitter, and the lines are said in more bored teen way than aggressive and William maybe took a mint and is acting nice and “sober’ish” for the babysitter “Nah I’m not drunk, just had a beer at JR’s, I would NEVER drink and drive!” Let’s say there’s some DV happening in Afton family, how many times have we heard about those situations in true crime and real life and people closest say “I didn’t notice anything, they were THE PERFECT FAMILY!”. And then one of the parents snap. Of course Bill would be nice to a babysitter, if he was creepy or acted like a jerk, who would want to babysit his kids the next time he gets all murdery? This was a good breakdown of the mini game, but I feel like the story of fnaf used to be something, changed, retconned, changed again, retconned because people guessed it etc. and that’s why we have the stupid mimic and nothing can be decoded correctly anymore. Because anything can be “the mimic was mimicin it” from now on :(

[@arealautisticguy6906]

@@yallaintit Thing is, the person in the chair doesn't look away from the TV, meaning that, if it is a babysitter, they would have no idea William was drunk, just that he had arrived home. She does probably know about William being violent though, that's fair.

[@higueraft571]

One note before i start... How would Vanessa possibly be talking about a Divorce? She was in her early 20s by Help Wanted, which takes place after FNAF 6 in 2023. How the fuck would William have a daughter past the year *2000* when he died in 1994-ish? Let alone have her be old enough to potentially testify against her mother who'd also need to survive into the 2000s? Assuming HW were exactly 2023 (which it almost certainly isnt), and Vanessa were, say... 5-8 by this time. William would have needed to go to court a full *decade* past when he got Springlocked, 2005-2008 or so. Anyways: >William covers this up, claiming it was abduction instead Why would he need to? CC got bitten in front of a crowd of people, it wasnt a murder, it was a pure accident. It'd bad PR for sure, but there's really NO hiding it. >William the learns that Michael essentially killed CC, thus begins to hate him How would he only find out AFTER the case? Especially if he'd been monitoring CC through Fredbear, he'd been encouraging it constantly. He'd know nearly *instantly* (being one of the owners, and it during business hours) that Something Went Wrong, assuming he doesnt have a direct view of his child getting ate by Fredbear as well. >Michael, at multiple points, goes to his mother’s house, perhaps for comfort or to comfort, without William’s knowing, William does not like this Personally, i suspect he's been going to the place he Did The Act, although the Hospital where he died is another valid option (if far less likely due to distance). >William hires a teenage babysitter to look after Michael I suspect the "Babysitter" is Henry here. They're coworkers who would know each other pretty well. Possibly even sharing the same ride potentially, or simply just giving eachother lifts pretty often. Asking your coworker to look after a troublemaker while you're at work isnt that unlikely :V >William heads off to Circus Baby’s Pizza World for its Grand Opening in the evening, as it essentially functions as an overnight childcare facility If this is 1983-1984, and Charlie isnt dead yet. Then a Freddy Fazbear's Pizza location CANT have closed yet. The earliest (successful) one that we know of closed in 1985, *after* the MCI. This also implies he knows about Remnant already, when he almost certainly discovered it (at minimum, likely much longer) days after he killed Charlie. I personally place CBPW's events at 1986, between the events of 2 and the MCI. About one of the ONLY points in time you could place it... >William drives to JR’s Bar to get drunk, causes a ruckus, and gets kicked out Didnt Scott state that this wasnt a bar, at one point? I'm not too certain but this does pose a minor issue if that WAS something he said... >William drives to the still-open Fredbear’s and kills Charlie whilst drunk I suspect he simply killed her in the heat of the moment, as he was leaving work. Rather than driving TO work to kill her, then leaving. If you pull out from the lot, and see his kid outside, alone, as you're pulling out? Might as well stop by... >Michael, fearing William will hurt him, breaks through his bedroom window, momentarily forgetting the Scarecrow that he’s been seeing all night I suspect he doesnt fear William, but instead just has *INCREDIBLE* guilt over, y'know, murdering his brother? It'd be why he's repeatedly visiting "that place" again. >Later on, Mrs. Afton dies (probably suicide) While this MAY be correct in a sense, it's definitely much much later on in the timeline, *and* a different Mrs Afton :V

[@henryapplebottom7231]

16:00 Or... The window is locked. Like the door. Because on previous occasions you have calmly left through the window, but now as you "go back to that place again" you're father has locked the window, leaving no other choice.

[@Cryonide]

@@henryapplebottom7231 I’ve never seen a house window lock from the outside.

[@kunstlerischeintelligenz471]

​@@Cryonidemany windows have locks you need a key for

[@tomasns6584]

ORANGE GUY: i think the reason purple guy is not purple in the minigame is because this is the FIRST and only time where WE control william in a minigame, and also the minigame is from his perspective, the other minigames with william on it depict him in shadow/purple, Just like the shadows from springbonnie and Fredbear on the wall in fnaf 4... since this is from his perspective there is no reason for him to be pruple, excluding fnaf 4 all the opther minigames are from the perspective/we control an animatronic and if the minigames are memories, we can assume the dead children depict him in pruple (ALSO he may not be in an employee suit, the employees may be wearijng purple but since he is not working/pretending to be an employee in midnight motorist, he may not be purple)

[@Kazantha]

The only answer that I think I may be able to answer is the mound of dirt... In The Twisted Ones novel, the animatronics literally buried themselves during the day. What's to say they didn't do the same when they noticed that it was about to rain? I'll leave with that thought...

[@thegodzachieve]

That actually seems like the answer. It makes perfect sense why there are no more marks and just a pile of dirt. He should see this

[@Deadman7600.]

I never thought of that, u got a good memory.

[@Kazantha]

@@Deadman7600.I just re-read the original books recently actually lol

[@Kazantha]

@@thegodzachieveThank you, and I hope he does see this. Hopefully, it will help in solving this confusing minigame

[@vanyadolly]

It might not have been raining when the mascot took the kid. This is "later that night"

[@Neequse]

23:55 1. To confuse people. In the early first ffps cutscene purple and yellow are interchangeable. 2. Crying child and Mike. 3. They're dead. 4. skip 5. skip 6. Funtime freddy standing here and trying to do it's programm - lure and catch the children. 7. Burried himself, like the twisted animatronics in the Twisted novel. 8. Because Freddy just broke it. 9. skip 10. in Funtime Freddy's stomach. 11. Funtime Freddy. 12. Jr's.

[@mrepico2750]

Well with the last book... CONGRATULATIONS YOU WERE RIGHT ITS NOT THE AFTONS

[@umargul6048]

MM confirms that it's the Aftons. Take a closer look at the route that the orange guy takes to get home from JR's. Take a real close and tell me if it looks familiar.

[@Grimkeeper17]

I think the color of afton changing is to represent the mind of a childs perspectives. From one perspective hes his dad whose representated "normal"(orange) from another percpective he doesnt know its his dad and sees a man lurking around in the "shadows"(purple) of the pizzaria doing odd/bad/sketchy things. Or or he realizes and seperates his dad between two distinctions, being the person he loves and the evil person he also is. Just to cope with having to live with him. Could be simple as Dad life orange, work life purple. Or just a plain ol curveball to mislead and make us discuss something that is honestly probably irrelevant.

[@NevadaEnn]

1. if Scott had shown the orange guy as purple, this minigame wouldn't be so controversial. Scott probably confuses people, and in order not to reveal all his cards so easily, he made it orange. if it were purple it wouldn't make any sense at all. there would be no riddle, no meaning to this minigame 2. Crying child escapes through the window, and Michael sits in a chair. 3. Elizabeth is already dead. This could explain that very mound; it could be her grave. William loved his daughter Elizabeth. and Mrs. Afton is a really unimportant character. There’s no point in even showing her, even in the Fnaf 4 minigames there is no hint of Mrs. Afton, which may hint that she has already left the family. 4. I don’t think this is a babysitter 5. This animatronic is Shadow Freddy. Shadow Freddy also has 3 toes, and Crying child by the time of Midnight Motorist could well have highlighted the agony that became Shadow Freddy. On Crying child, William had already conducted experiments with the participation of nightmarish animatronics (as he did with Rory). And moreover, we see that William is a rather rude person, he could treat his children poorly, which could also help create agony. it even explains what Crying child could see (Plushbear's phrase). he could see Shadow Freddy and be very scared of it. 6. We don’t even know if the window in this room opened. it could very well be a window that doesn't open, given the fact that the Aftons were poor. Henry cut off business with William, and they may have become even poorer. especially considering their small house in the middle of the woods 7. Scott could well have missed the fact that there should be glass left there. He could simply not pay attention to this detail. Moreover, we see that the glass is gray, its color could merge with the color of the earth beneath it and be invisible 8. The child went to the pizzeria. He could run to Fredbear and Friends, or Juniors. does not matter. This restaurant could very well be Fredbear and Friends, considering that the classic animatronics (Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy) perform there. and Crying child also had toys of these four animatronics, so he obviously loved them and even more so called them his “friends.” 9. The mound is dedicated to Elizabeth. this is quite possible. considering that William loved his daughter more than anyone else

[@fionaroni]

do taxis or parents driving someone not exist? why does the babysitter HAVE to be a driver? her parents could drop her off, or a friend, or she could live close by and just walk! i don’t think it’s a babysitter, but ur reasoning to prove it’s not is flawed. amazing theory video!

[@millennialluxe]

I have yet to hear the perspective of an actual child of an alcoholic…yes, a drunk parent coming home could be a lot scarier than a nightmare (or any) animatronic. I imagine he left immediately once dad got home, which is why there are fresh prints.

[@hioman]

This reminds me of the court episode of the Beverly hillbillies "This is what happened the night Mrs. Afton said 'leave him alone, he's had enough tonight'" "Objection, there's no evidence Mrs. Afton has anything to do with the story" "Yes, maybe now we'll *get* some"

[@ParadoxicWasHere]

I still believe the yellow guy is William and the Runaway is Michael Afton - I think dismissing Mrs Afton as the sitting woman because we know very little about her is hypocritical given your theory, as I recall, was built around Cassidy's family who we have even less information (correct me if I'm wrong though because I haven't seen your video since it's release) Here's my answers to your problems with Afton Theory. I believe Midnight Motorist is post-bite of 83 but pre-Baby incident Broken Window - The runaway has gone to that place 'again' implying this is a reoccurring problem. It seems plausible that William has locked Michael in that room, and Michael had to break out the windows. This is supported by the animatronic scarecrow theory if you choose to believe that. The Animatronic - As this is post-83 in my mind, I believe the Animatronic is Golden Freddy / Crying Child appearing to try and reach out to Michael as we see they do later in FNAF 1. I don't have a concrete explanation for the footprints remaining beyond the fact that, as we see with Golden Freddy in FNAF 1 and 2 - he is able to interact with the real world enough to kill a man so perhaps he could leave real footprints in the rain. By extension the Animatronic had vanished once Michael fled. As for why Michael fled, before this video I would've just said seeing the ghost of his little brother made him flee to his grave, the mound. But I actually really like your suggestion that he's fleeing to Jr's to hide from his father, which made me thing that the reason he smashed the window and fled was because he heard William arrive and left in a hurry. This would explain the broken window and potentially explain, if he is going to the Mound and not Jr's, why you can't find him there already when you go to the mound (I haven't played Midnight Motorist myself so if you're able to discover the broken window and THEN go to the Mound disregard this) As for who is in the chair, Mrs Afton is still a viable candidate at this point in the Timeline IMO - as for the lack of Elizabeth - the Sister Location Bunker Map implies the house in MM is the house we see in the FNAF 4 mini-games. A house that we saw had additional rooms (and was overall a more detailed mini-game) beyond the three rooms that we could see in that layout. I think it's not beyond reasonable doubt to suggest that the two mini-games represent the same house but just don't include the rooms that would be irrelevant to their respective mini-games. This is why the Midnight Motorist home is seemingly 1 living room, 1 empty room, and 1 child's bed room. But if you prefer babysitter theory it isn't unheard of to say a late-teen babysitter was dropped off at the house and will be picked up later. As a note on Michael's FNAF 4 Nightmares, I agree that for him to see Fredbear as presented in FNAF 4 he would logically have to not only already have lost Elizabeth, but be aware of Baby's scooping abilities, so probably post SL. I think FNAF 4 are nightmare's Michael has during/after FNAF 1 - hence why the animatronics have similar attack patterns to FNAF 1, you can hear a warped FNAF 1 phone call, and Fredbear has a SL inspired Stomach Mouth. Final notes: If it is William then I think he was miscoloured intentionally because, as you said, the FNAF fandom is built on speculation and him undeniably being the Purple Guy would've made this far simpler to solve. Furthermore as you pointed out, yes I do think the glass was an oversight for the same reason you think the fact that the rain is exactly the same as the Puppet rain, it was a superfluous detail. And if someone *did* break in from the outside, where are their footsteps and why does Yellow guy not react at all to the fact that his home has had a break in?

[@higueraft571]

>But I actually really like your suggestion that he's fleeing to Jr's to hide from his fathe Alternatively: He's grieving for his brother still. And he simply went to where It Happened. Either to Fredbear's, or perhaps to the Hospital. We know he ABSOLUTELY is guilty as hell about it. >As for who is in the chair, Mrs Afton is still a viable candidate at this point in the Timeline IMO While POSSIBLE, i disagree it'd be her, as this would be our single only appearance of her in the ENTIRE series. Possible, but unlikely. >But if you prefer babysitter theory it isn't unheard of to say a late-teen babysitter was dropped off at the house and will be picked up later. Something similar. I believe Couch Guy is Henry, and either (as you said) the less-important details were Omitted, or William simply dropped him off to watch Michael while he's at work. >and why does Yellow guy not react at all to the fact that his home has had a break in? This as well, definitely good point. Doesnt even react to the robot, just "i'm gonna get his ass later" :V

[@br2891]

The animatronic is Golden Freddy, possessed by BV, as we can see he is more ''ghostly'' and can teleport in the games. We know it's likely BV is one of the spirits posessing him. I believe Michael broke out because of that, he saw his brother. The mount of dirt is BV's grave. The person in the chair could very well be Ms. Afton, and we simply don't see the Elizabeth in this minigame bc she's not important to it, and Scott didn't wanna give it away easily. The Vanessa court case story is not hard evidence that was what in fact happened with the Aftons, perhaps it was completely made up, and fnaf ar is scrapped content, it is a good theory but it is far from hard evidence to completely rule out Ms. Afton in here. Or maybe it is Henry.

[@LukiKruki]

I always thought it's Afton before went crazy with murders. Yellow is the opposite of purple. And his car was driving crazy on street just to park next to Junior place and then house and yelling at kid to open his door and saying he will punish him when he run away. And It's all titled "Later that night". It's obvious William killed Charlie while he was drunk after everything he sufffered to this point. I lived with drunk father, I know how they behave on street and in family.

[@haileyen353]

Some things to consider: 1. The cars are going the wrong way for it to be in the US. There's no way this isn't intentional. It's most likely this is in the UK, where the Aftons are from. 2. The footprints aren't necessarily an animatronic or a springlock suit. If this does take place in the UK, it's infinitely more likely it's a person in a regular mascot suit than a person in a springlock suit (not invented yet) or an animatronic, rogue or not. 3. I don't have much of an opinion on the shattered window yet, but the person in the chair's dialogue could imply that the orange person is abusive, and therefore maybe the kid couldn't open the window because it's locked or sealed closed by the orange guy. The line about "gone to that place AGAIN" implies the kid has a habit of going there, and the orange guy has tried locking them in to prevent them from going. I didn't finish the video before posting this so if these are addressed by the end ignore me lol

[@Gunthorpe63210]

Oh boy time for my daily MM rant. So I believe you're right about it not being about the Afton's. My strongly believe that the yellow guy is the father of an MCI victim (I believe it is Jeremy, but you could also argue that it's Fritz), and that Jeremy is the runaway child, but was lured to Freddy's on the night of the MCI. Here's why: 1. The MCI are a key theme of FFPS. We get their gravestones in the lorekeeper ending, we get the Candy Cadet stories all talking about 5 things. Henry makes reference to them in the insanity ending, and we see GFGL in the completion ending. There's also the incredibly high likelihood that the MCI souls are within Molten Freddy. But the biggest connection of all is: 2. Fruity Maze. Fruity Maze is showing us how Susie was lured away by William, so it would make sense that MM is telling us how William lured another kid. MM and FM have identical arcade machines, are next to each other in the magazine, and have similar stats, so it would make sense that they are telling two parts of the same story. 3. The piece of evidence for this theory comes of the Toy Chica the High School Years cutscenes from UCN. In them, we see the methods William used for luring children. In the second episode, Chica lures her target by running over their dog, which is a clear connection to FM. Well the fifth episode has Chica lure her target by going to their house and going to their window, which is a direct reference to the house in MM. 4. Out of all possibly candidates for the animatronic footprint outside the child's window, it most closely resembles a rabbit foot. 5. The purpose of JR's is to show that the father is alcoholic. Imagine you're a child with abusive parents, but you absolutely love Freddy's and find it to be a great distraction from your home life. This is why the child followed William back to the pizzeria, since he would be escaping his home before his drunk father got home. 6. We know from the FNaF 1 newspapers that the MCI happened in the "late hours of operation" at Freddy's. The title of the secret minigame is "Later that Night", thus the title of the minigame matches up. 7. One newspaper in FNaF 1 states that 2 children were lured away at Freddy's, with a second newspaper saying that 5 children have now been liked to the MCI. To me, this means that two children went missing at the pizzeria, with 3 other children going missing from the local area, since otherwise the first newspaper would've mentioned all five children. 8. This part can still be up to interpretation, but I believe the dirt mount is Elizabeth's grave, and that Scott included it to help establish a timeline, since the placement of CBPW was still relatively unknown at this point. I believe this is so since William wouldn't want to draw attention to Elizabeth's death, as it could potentially expose the funtime animatronics for what they really are, so he buried her in an unmarked grave in a small clearing off the side of the road. 9. Think about the context that MM appears in. FFPS is all about tying up loose ends and giving clear definitive answers. Scott would not want to make a vague minigame in FFPS about the Afton's, but instead tell a simple yet tragic story. To ensure there would be no confusion, Scott made the yellow guy not purple, to show that this is not William, and added the rabbit foot print outside the window to show that this is just a child being lured away by William, just as FM shows. But nooooo, because that doesn't satisfy our desire for answers. We want every detail in these games to mean something, when most of the time it doesn't mean anything at all, and we just end up believing something we're not meant to believe. When you take a step back, and remove all preconceived theories and beliefs you have about the franchise, many parts of the story start to reveal themselves as you realize that we've all been overcomplicating many parts of the story. Everyone talks about the FNaF franchise as being convoluted, but it's only that way because we believe it is.

[@higueraft571]

>My strongly believe that the yellow guy is the father of an MCI victim Except we *know* they were inside the location, and were lured into the Saferooms. >The piece of evidence for this theory comes of the Toy Chica the High School Years cutscenes from UCN. Personally, i've never really agreed with this, as it DOES directly contradict how the MCI is mentioned. Not to mention it involves several unrelated characters. If it's talking about the MCI, why is "Charlie" there? Infact, not only is she there, she's next to LAST in the order... The specific order is: Freddy > Twisted Wolf > Toy Bonnie > Funtime Foxy > Puppet > Pigpatch. Specifically *Charlie* is the one that you quoted about the house. If this were the MCI/murders in general, you'd have to disregard the order AND characters, and just haphazardly assign random murders to each of them... >it most closely resembles a rabbit foot. It really doesnt? It looks like a generic animatronic foot, aside from having 3 toes. >The purpose of JR's is to show that the father is alcoholic. Not certain, but didnt Scott confirm JR's isnt a bar? >since otherwise the first newspaper would've mentioned all five children. No? It's simply reporting on the Missing Children as they crop up. You could have two parents report a disappearance to the police, while three more try to go through Fazbear, before seeing that report and ALSO adding theirs in later. And, as far as we know, ALL 5 were willingly lured by William into the Saferoom, and shoved in the robots. A kicking and screaming child is going to raise *far* more attention, than one simply following the Yellow Bunny Man into a staff-only room. >I believe this is so since William wouldn't want to draw attention to Elizabeth's death, as it could potentially expose the funtime animatronics for what they really are, so he buried her in an unmarked grave in a small clearing off the side of the road. While i disagree with the timing, as CBPW almost certainly was 1986, i DO agree that he absolutely would have done this, either way. CC was a freak accident, Elizabeth was a direct murder which we know had a coverup. >FFPS is all about tying up loose ends and giving clear definitive answers. Unfortunately, it really, REALLY didnt do that all that much :V It explained a bit, but of course we have one question like "Where the fuck was Henry the entire time??"

[@umargul6048]

@@higueraft571 I've always interpreted the final victim as being Andrew, who was kidnapped while coming home from school, taken to the pizzeria, and killed.

[@higueraft571]

@@umargul6048 >who was kidnapped while coming home from school, taken to the pizzeria, and killed. Yeah, this just kind of makes no sense though, why would he SPECIFICALLY target some child outside the location when ones inside are easier? Especially when this is in the middle of the location being open (And the papers implying all 5 were within the location initially), it'd be pretty much impossible to drag a screaming/kicking children into the location past dozens of people while wearing a mascot costume (making you stand out like a sore thumb), and somehow dragging him into the back rooms to THEN shove him into a suit. You'd somehow have to avoid the *entire* room noticing this. Now children leaving their parents' side and following the mascot around of their own free will? That's normal.

[@umargul6048]

@@higueraft571 I believe Andrew was killed after the other MCI victims in a separate murder.

[@higueraft571]

@@umargul6048 >I believe Andrew was killed after the other MCI victims in a separate murder. Who's the 5th child then, if he's not an MCI kid? We've got CC and Charlie for pre-MCI deaths, then Susie, Gabriel, Jeremy, Fritz, and ???, then i guess Andrew whenver after, some time before or after Elizabeth dies, i guess

[@eila2635]

There's a big problem with dream Theory That being Scott was already thinking about the color pallet of Sister Location during the making of FNaF 2. Dream Theory was never canon.

[@TiloDroid]

I would like to point out that there are no windows depicted in the Crying Childs room in the FNAF 4 minigames, which is why the runaway in Midnight Motorist is likely not the Crying Child.

[@TiloDroid]

Also: there are no footprints at the mound of dirt, so the runaway likely didn't run there. On the house layout: From outside you can see windows in the south and in the west, indicating more rooms that we don't see from the inside. On the glass shattering: I found this in a different comment but considering the orange guys dialouge, he doesn't seem to concerend with a break in. In fact, he is the one wanting to break in himself from the outside. Opon seeing the broken window, he instantly assumes a runaway situation, rather than a break in.

[@Matthew27gmd]

This video is amazing. You are very perceptive. You've earned a subscriber! I would like to give a less popular theory that most people don't talk about. I believe that Midnight Motorist is showing the aftermath of one of William's victims. The player character and the couch person being parents of the child that ran away. William would have been the "animatronic" standing outside the child's window, luring them away from the house. Whether this child is one of the kids from the MCI is still debatable. A possible hole in this theory is that William being in a springlock suit in the rain wouldn't make sense, but what if it wasn't a springlock suit? SImilar to what Matpat proposed, it could be a handcrafted suit of springbonnie. Still speculation, I believe in it, but I don't think it is what actually happened.

[@24Ippo]

i can hear your frontal cortex microwaving thinking about midnight motorist regardless of your conclusion you did gave a thought about it so you earned a sub, i'm looking forward to your explanation because i can't even tell if that window was destroyed from the outside or inside.

[@oscar1012]

Well well well...

[@blarghwagurder]

This is also the idea I subscribe to. The only person who would willingly follow or challenge a huge fucking murder-bot as a child (we know Crying Child HATES Freddy's and we can only account for 3 people in the household, William, Michael, & Elizabeth-- or wife) is Mike. Kid probably has a death wish after killing his brother, why else would he sign himself up for Freddy's time and time again, only to kick the bucket in Pizza Sim on his own volition? Who else would WANT to die young other than a literal walking corpse who isn't given the mercy of death after having his guts scooped out? Mike. Survivor's guilt, lost his whole family, on top of that its his Dad and himself who are ultimately guilty for the tragedies. If Afton is willing to torture Baby with controlled shocks post-mortem, willing to torture multiple kids with gas experiments during FNAF 4 (confirmed in SL), plus murder 10+ kids, he is most definitely willing to torture Mike.

[@alishagee4044]

I had a thought IF the orange guy is Henry. If we assume this is the case, MM can still be Later That Night after Charlie's death (the reason Henry is speeding is to get home to check on Sammy). In the original novel trilogy, Henry had twins, Sammy (a boy) and Charlotte (a girl) If we go by this logic but don't assume they're twins here and simply brother and sister, then it could be Sammy running to JRs since Orange Guy mentions a he when referencing the runaway. This would leave Henry's wife to be the person watching TV and Henry would have right to be angry since his daughter has just been killed. The only thing I can't explain is the Animatronic outside. Unless it was William in his Springlock suit, luring Sammy to Charlie's Body as this time frame doesn't give Henry cause or time to place an Animatronic outside to deter Sammy. The only problem I see is why Henry wouldn't be allowed in JRs and I'm not completely sold on the William part either but I haven't seen anyone else go into this angle besides saying that Orange Guy is Henry.

[@higueraft571]

>the reason Henry is speeding is to get home to check on Sammy As far as we know, Sammy isnt canon to the games. Additionally, this kind of just introduces a PILE of characters who ultimately are meaningless, and only appear once in the series with no real introduction OR impact, or anything like that. William's really the only one who DOES fit. Especially with Henry being Couch Guy.

[@Eldirian24]

Dang what a great point he just brought up 1:21 I’ve always not believed that it was a different person outside of the aftons but I was never able to give evidence as to why. Amazing point man❤

[@corrucies2087]

Even if it doesn't make any sense and is based on an arbitrary thing, as well as him acting incredibly out of character, I kinda feel like its Henry for no other reason than I remember learning orange is opposite to purple on the color wheel, and Henry is kinda sorta maybe the opposite of William slightly, I still kinda think im wrong with that but it feels like a parrellel, with one being purple and the other being the opposite color

[@fandomotaku9921]

Personally, I want to say it's more likely to be the Emilys (though I'm sure there's plenty of holes in that too), but everyone hates the idea that Henry is... not so great a person/father.

[@allysm.c]

i truly believe it the windows was broke out and not in, there would be glass. in fnaf4 chica break was literally two pixels but it was “important” enough to be called out by scott. i dont think it was just an oversight or design choice

[@Bearcolada]

For Elizabeth not being there... you ever think she's just... asleep?? It's the middle of the night and most kids her age would be in bed by now. As for your questions: My current theory is that William is coming home form killing Charlie after BV dies of his injuries. Mrs. Afton is sitting on the chair and tell William to leave Mike alone for obvious reasons. Mike.. maybe sees Fredbear outside represent CC in like a vision. (Looks up Coming Home, it'll make more sense.) In a panic and with his window locked he busts out. (In SB there is an area similar to the MM house and there is glass on the ground on the outside area of the house.) Then Mike runs off to Fredbear's to try to make amends. The mound? Represents CC's recent death. That's my view! E: Oh! And to answer why Afton is not purple, it's the shadows thing but a little more than that imo. In every other minigame we know for a fact he is in cause yknow, purple guy, he has been a background character. He has been in the back, _in the shadows_. Here, he is front and center. Or.... he's wearing a rain coat. /j

[@shawnbay2211]

I think it’s obviously a bad argument 2 assume Elizabeth must b relevant 2 confirm the family is the Afton’s … as well the assumption that Vanessa is literally Elizabeth. Those r just assumptions. Elizabeth isn’t in Midnight Motorist … probably because she doesn’t matter. The house doesn’t literally only have one other room - no house has. I agree with u & think that’s the most likely interpretation. I think RyeToast gave me that explanation & I think she was convincing.

[@Takejiro24]

I didn't know about the broken glass being outside the "MM house" I'm Security Breach. You're talking about the room that looks like Michael's house from Sister Location, right?

[@Bearcolada]

@@Takejiro24 No, the hidden daycare room.

[@Takejiro24]

@@Bearcolada Much appreciated 👍

[@OTcrochet]

Has anyone put together that both nightmare Fred bear and Freddy from security breach have mouth stomachs?

[@UnderseaRexieVT]

So, there's a person in a chair, that because of them not saying anything just...didn't hear a huge window break? Are they even alive?

[@damkylan3]

Huzzah! It wasn't the Aftons. It was Rory, everyone! Who's Rory, you ask? Good mf'ing question... lol

[@Cryonide]

Yes, I've heard about Rory. I don't know the full implications of the story yet--I've read some Twitter threads on it but I don't want to blindly trust anyone else's interpretation of it without my own research. Just know that I plan on bringing it up when I get around to making that follow-up video. Here's the full track list for this video. Yes, it's still all from the same visual novel. Yes, you should get used to that for my videos. YTTD OST - otyakai [kzbin.info/www/bejne/hH3NeKCqa6lojtk] YTTD OST - maou (Majority Vote B) [kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqmVfaWbf9mdhsU] YTTD OST - hazama1 [kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHavkH-YpNWfkKs] YTTD OST - kosatu [kzbin.info/www/bejne/g33do3t6pbOCbdU] YTTD OST - denpa [kzbin.info/www/bejne/sH6pmoiFgrpqers] YTTD OST - tansaku4 (Exploration E) [kzbin.info/www/bejne/fl6mc4yFntp9Z7M] YTTD OST - Kind Moment [kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYvEeIV3i96njMU]

[@brysonsimms3487]

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[@higueraft571]

3:00 Admittedly, i DO have a bit of a problem here... If Vanessa *is* an Afton, *Michael* must be the Father, *not* William. William died in '94, while Vanessa doesnt match a 35-41 year old in age, if SB takes place in 29 or 35. She seems much closer to her *20s,* maybe around 30 on the higher end. We know Michael had a massive gap of *30* years between 1993 and 2023, one long enough to say... Hook up, get married, have a daughter, have a divorce, have said daughter graduate, then SL to occur, 3/6, etc EDIT: 20:50 Admittedly one point here... This technically extends to MANY things. Why arent the animatronics purple, why arent the dead bodies purple too? Why is his badge orange, if it too is in shadows? I suspect a good reason WHY he's orange is, unlike pretty much every other minigame i can think of, we *are* him. You cant be shadowy and mysterious to *yourself* right? Obnoxiously, i wouldnt mind if you were able to find the SOURCE of the "in the shadows" quote from Scott (since i wanted to figure out WHEN it was said in particular), because i cant find shit, aside from wikis repeating it (with no source), and them leaping to "oh he's a corpse like Michael" And, of course why the other person isnt purple? Presumably for said "to prevent confusion" part :V Personally, i DO believe Henry is the Couch Guy here... Why doesnt he have a car outside? A few possibilities: - He doesnt have a Car, and walked there. Henry's Built Different. (Highly Unlikely) - He *does* have a Car, but it's not shown in the minigame, much like the several rooms we KNOW have to exist, but arent shown at all. Like damn, imagine living in a 2-room house with no kitchen, no bathroom, and ONE bedroom, with one chair to fight over for the TV, that'd suck. - He *does* have a Car, but William simply gave Henry a ride/they share the same car. Honestly not that unlikely if they're close enough to run the company together. Especially after the Bite would've happened... And, at least in terms of timeline here: CC > Charlie (MM is Here) > MCI > Elizabeth > FNAF 2 > etc Either way, Henry being the babysitter WOULD explain how he responds to William, and why Charlie would be alone the night she died. One other point to consider would also be: Where is William even *coming* from, exaclty?

[@Goddess_Aleu_White_Wolf]

Its unlikely the springlock suits are used since: 1. They can snap into place from moisture 2. Its raining during midnight motorist

[@Ishoulddeletethis]

Wouldn’t it be likely to assume that any animatronic would have been decommissioned in the rain just like the puppet? I think it would be more likely to assume that than the opposite.

[@higueraft571]

@@Ishoulddeletethis Honestly, also a good point... It'd have to be designed as Waterproof, or simply be something that isnt affected by water.

[@hamcheese3532]

In the new Fnaf Movie trailer u see michael wearing orange tie and william wearing purple tie so it could imply he is orange guy

[@cleaveuntome42]

This adds to my ranting that Henry origonally was the suspect for the crimes. Afton was a business man who wasnt onsite. Henry made the animatronics so if a dead body gets in the machine, who would be easier to blame?

[@personismaybe0610]

At the beginning of FNaF 6, we get to see three kind of suits in the introduction cutscenes. We see a man in a purple suit, a man in a orange, and finally a man in a purple suit with a orange tie. With the context of William Afton being orange guy, this makes sense. With the context of William Afton not being orange guy, this could mean that purple suit is William Afton, the purple and orange suit is Michael Afton, and the orange suit is Henry Emily. We only get one image of Henry’s official design, and the outfit he’s wearing is orange.

[@walkingfearlessegg3686]

Orange guy not being purple was to make it harder to figure out, more confusing. Michael is the person who ran away, Elizabeth is in another room, CC is dead, William is orange guy. Person in the chair is a babysitter who got there by a taxi. The animatronic was there to torment Michael. The rain short circuited it and Michael moved it away and buried it, that's what the mound of dirt is. The window was locked by William. There is no glass because it was too difficult to put into this art style. Orange guy also has no eyes or facial features in his design, doesn't mean he doesn't have a face. Michael is at Jr's.

[@Teoriak]

William was never purple, just purple is his trademark and in the game to explain it, Scott gave a purple car which means that William was driving it and did something wrong because where William was, there was evil and he showed him as a normal person

[@BOBimusRex]

19:34 I have simple, straightforward answers to all those and then some. First off, to srt the scene - the kid who broke out is Foxybro, and no kids have died yet. Foxybro is Henry and "Sharon"'s son. Shafon left Henry for William and took Foxybro, but not Charlotte. Foxybro hates living with the Aftons, so he starts breaking out and going to Jr.'s. Jr.'s is the "sister location" mentioned in the springlock training tapes. That's where Henry has been working most often because it's his newest location. William tries to stop Foxhbto from breaking out anymore by locking the window from the outside and having a nightmare animatronic stand outside. 1. He broke the window and climbed out. 3. The nightmare animatronic that NORMALLY stood outside his room went inside because it was raining. 2. He just walked away. 4. Personally, I think he broke out THAT NIGHT to go meet his friend Cassidy at Jr.'s. But he could just as easily gone there to see Henry or just to get away from his drunk abusive stepfather for a while. 5. The animatronic went inside the house or down into the sister location bunker, which we know is below the Afton house. 6. See #4 7. The dirt mound is EITHER the ginal resting place of the FIRST Mrs. Afton, Crying Child's mother, OR its the entrance to the aforementioned Sister Location bunker, which is pretty massive, reaching under ths Afton house AND Fredbear's, plus having all its own rooms and facilities. 8. The person speaking from the couch is "Sharon." 9. Crying Child and Elizabeth are either sitting next to Sharon, out of view because it's 2d and we're looking at it from the side, OR they are in some of the many rooms in the house we don't see. We only see what was important for Scott to show us when dream theory was the canon answer. We don't see a bathroom, a kitchen, a laundry room, or the parents' room, but we can assume they exist. The same is true for the kids' rooms. 10. What else do you want to know about the animatronic outside? I'd say it's probably an almost exact match to the Twisted Ones, a fairly plain blank animatronic that seemed huper terrifying due yo illusion tech. When he said he'd make him regret it, he DID too. When Foxybro got home, all his stuff was gone. Step daddy Will moved all his things into a room in the bunker that he finished oug to look like part of the rest of the house above. His new toom had no window he could break out of, and a door leading to a hallway on both sides guarded by a nightmare animatronic that isn't in danger of ever being rained on. And two plush dolls projecting nightmare illusions - one on his bed snc one in his closet. Sound familiar? If you think Vanessa IS Elizabeth, then this wouldn't match up with Vanessa's story about her parents' divorce. But I don't think she is Elizabeth. Her dad's nams being William A. shouldn't be ignored, but Elizabeth would be like 50 by now. But she could be a grand daughter Afton. Personally, I think she's a Charliebot yurned Elizabot. The mimic too. And Cassie... OF COURSE Baby is an Elizabot for sure. The OG Elizabot. They're all Charliebots turned into Elizabots. I also think we're about to meet a BRAND NEW 4th and final Charliebot turned Elizabot in Help Wanted 2. Hmu if you ever want to just chat man, I know these games like the back of my hand.

[@AJgaming-mc5dt]

This is what I think happened: The Bite of '83 happens and CC dies ---> William kills Charlie mostly due to the grief of his youngest son dying ---> he drives back home to see this: His wife (Mrs. Afton) is sitting in the chair watching TV (I'll explain after just give me a minute) and he decides to check on his son Michael. After realising he isn't there he checks around the back of the house to see an open window and a set of footprints going off into the distance towards "that place," A.K.A the mound of dirt so he decides to wait to punish him when he gets back. The explanation: 1. Mrs. Afton being the person in the chair: It is impossible for this to be anyone else as it couldn't be anyone else. What I believe has happened is that the custody case hasn't happened yet and Elizabeth is in another room that we don't see, probably the lit up room upstairs. I believe this as there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that a (once) family of 5 has a house with 3 rooms, with only one of them being a bedroom. Therefore, there has to be more rooms that we don't see. 2. Michael going to the mound of dirt and not JR's: It is entirely possible that Michael started to go to the 'grave' pretty recently and therefore wasn't there yet when William checks up on it or went a while a go and left before William checks on it and got home after William did A.K.A they missed each other. 3. The animatronic footsteps and the window: I find very unlikely that William wouldn't comment on the animatronic footsteps or the fact that the animatronic he placed there was missing and the broken window. It is because of this that I believe that these two things (and please don't get mad at me) are made up by Michaels imagination and we as a player are combining the thoughts of William with what Michael is imagining. 4. William isn't represented as purple: One thing to note is that Scott himself has officially said that the reason why William is purple is to show him as hiding in the shadows. Scott couldn't make him any sort of black or grey colour otherwise he would've been impossible to see on the black background, so, he made him the next best thing: purple. And as for him being purple in the FNaF 4 minigame, I'd like to refer back to the quote "what's in the shadows is easily misinterpreted in the mind of a child." I think that when the Fredbear plush says "Remember what you saw." is because CC once saw William or any other employee helping someone into a suit and he misinterpreted it as the person being stuffed into the suit. Because of these two quotes I believe it makes sense for William being in the shadows here. And as for him not being in the shadows in MIDNIGHT Motorist is because of how shadows work. In order to have shadows you need a light to bounce off an object and the brighter the light the darker the shadow. Therefore in night time there wouldn't be very many shadows for him to be in due to the lack of light and, I'd like to throw out the fact of him being a pretty dark orange. All in all, this minigame is confusing as all heck and, until Scott or Steel Wool outright tells us the answer, there is no 100% factual answer to this minigame and therefore all we can do is make THEORIES with different pros of con of each theory but, at the end of the day, it's what you think and whether you agree or disagree doesn't actually matter.

[@SkineSky]

we've all always tried to figure out what everything in midnight moterist is suppose to represent and mean. But, the one thing that I always back to with this chain of events is: "Why tonight?" Why is it tonight what Williom decide to kill Charile? And why is it tonight that a child had a really rough day AND was approached by something/someone that would make them willingly come with them in the dead of a rainy night? What led up to all of this? It can't be coincidence that this all happened the same night, so what caused it all? I've always felt like that was the real question we were always suppose to be trying to answer.

[@Fracc6578]

I just realized that the FNAF1 newspaper easter egg about the MCI,one of the newspaper mention 2 children getting lured at night " TWO local children were reportedly lured into a backroom during the late hours of operation at freddy fazbear pizza on the NIGHT of June 26th" Suzie was Lured by Afton(Scott showing this even in fruity maze) this kid from midnight motorist its also lured by Afton.I think Scott wanted to show that these 2 kids were that special so he made 2 minigames to show how this happened

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

I like the Theory someone (I don't remember who) came up with that the mystery animatronic is the haunted Golden Freddy/Fredbear, somehow being able to stand for once, puppeteered by the crying child. He despawned again instead of walking away, that's why there's only those footprints. It would also explain why Michael might desperately run after an animatronic moreso than like, any other member of the cast. Similarly, I like the theory that couch person is Henry, indeed babysitting, being here instead of at Freddies, where he could help out his daughter with things. Mostly because unlike Mrs. Afton he's actually a character instead of just a statistical likelihood, and because unlike Michael he wouldn't be another case of "how the hell are these sprites so terrible at conveying which character is which, your series has like three human characters" I guess in this interpretation there is no shortage of people whose grave the dirtmound could be, since every Afton except maybe couch person is dead. Edit: Noting that the window appears to be broken from the outside in, I guess that might mean either Crying Child as Fredbear broke it, or that detail is there because breaking a window is dramatic and writers sometimes forget about dramatic scenarios having more sensible alternatives when they come up with one.

[@Cryonide]

The big issue is "being able to stand for once" since we never see that happen and don't have an explanation for it. I also still don't understand how a babysitter could get there in the first place.

[@dealwithit8323]

​@@CryonideI believe the souls, or just Golden freddy can actually stand, but since most people believe that Cassidy and crying child both possess Golden Freddy, I being one of them. I think that Cassidy is the one who can see and control the upper body (arms and head) while CC(crying child) controls the lower body (legs and lower torso/waist). CC constantly crying would make sense as to why golden Freddy sits down so often, while there's the aggressiveness of Cassidy

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

@@Cryonide He does stand in the Fnaf 4 minigames so being able to stand shouldn't be impossible. I think his UCN jumpscare might have him standing up, but my brain might just have replaced the actual footage with a fan render. Though, remember that this is before he's been sitting in some random backroom for decades, and he was in animatronic mode when FNAF 4 ended, so it would just kinda make sense if they left him with his endo intact, at first. If that seems too farfetched for you, well, I sure hope you either found a different teleporting robot, or your alt theory involves it either flying away or climbing on top of the house. As for the second point, Wdym? Babysitter was there before the minigame even started to watch the kid, sucked at watching the kid (which seems like a consistent thing for Henry), then stayed in place for at least as long as the minigame happened. Americans sometimes leave their front doors unlocked, and people are known to either lend house keys to babysitters or let them in personally, if that's the problem. Of course, even if everything I outlined was intended, it is still excessively obtuse, but I like my version specifically in part because it adds a bit to Henry's and Fredbears/Golden Freddies/Crying Childs character (specifically their relationships to William/Michael respectively at this point in the timeline), and in part because in this version, William wasn't the one in control of the situation, for once, and I feel like that works well thematically considering the ending.

[@cythulhubuthebegamin4902]

Why does Golden Freddy have to stand to leave footprints? In all his renders he sits with both his feet planted flat on the ground.

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

@@cythulhubuthebegamin4902 I was mostly thinking so because the feet don't come with a matching assprint but I guess that's a fair point

[@fredbeardelamater]

Ok, let’s answer these questions, I think it undoubtedly William in this mini game so let’s start with questions 1 1. Why is he not purple? I think it’s because we’re playing as him. Every time we see William as Purple Guy, it’s always in the third person. We are playing as William here, he’s not some mysterious killer shown in the shadows anymore 2. Who lives in the house? The text for the guy in the chair matches very closes to Michael’s in FNAF 4, it’s grey text. He’s even wearing a gray shirt still and he’s watching TV, likely Immortal and the Restless (it’s a very soap opera-like show, and they often go on forever, it makes sense Michael would watch this into his adult life). The kid that ran away seem obvious to be Crying Child, “he’s had a rough day” CC is laughed at and bullied all through FNAF 4, in a place away from his friends, it makes perfect sense for Michael to be more caring towards his brother, he’s away from his friends where his brother would make him look “uncool” or whatever, natural bully logic 3. I think by this time, Elizabeth could be dead, lemme step back and explain. Mrs. Afton seems to be gone, I feel like before William killing anyone there’s no reason for her to hate her husband. William was a thriving man and nothing (at least shown to us) implies he was anything more before his first killing. In fact, in the books, he seemed relatively happy. I think the death of his daughter Elizabeth was what sent him spiraling. Mrs. Afton leaves him in all the grief, blaming William for his negligence with his animatronics. This would send William down a depressive spiral, which also explains why he kills Charlie that night. He’s become bitter and his hatred for his business partner with a perfect family sent him over. 4. It’s not a babysitter 5. (See above, yadahyadah) 6. William is now willing to take extreme measures to keep the family he has left safe, if not for a little bit of suffering. He’s standing out there in a springlock suit, staring through his son’s window to scare him. “What is hidden in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child.” William is scaring his son shitless to make him believe these animatronics are killing people, to keep his son away. He creates the Nightmares also to convey this, these lies he’s been telling him is to fuel his mind with this fear so his illusion discs will work, so that the Nightmares can be seen. 7. The footprints in the yard is just his attempts of scaring him without needing the nightmares, but on a night when it’s raining, he uses the Nightmares from the inside and CC escapes through breaking open his window and running to the nearest place that will accept him in… Jr’s, a place that knows William’s not really in a good place mentally right now, a place that would take CC inside to keep him safe from his insane and abusive father. 8. The glass I think are pixels too small to show on the ground, I think it’s there but not visible 9. Jr’s 10. The mound of dirt? Well… There’s a specific novel that was released months before FNAF 6 came out where illusion disc powered, sharp tooth animatronics bury themselves on the ground… idk, might be related but who knows 🤷🏼‍♂️ 11. Probably still at Jr’s

[@synettech5800]

Personal theory: Elizabeth and Crying Child are both dead, and William starts keeping an animatronic outside of Michael's window to scare him into staying in his room/to torment him for causing his brother's death(Spring Bonnie or Fredbear depending on your opinion Bonnie makes more sense for william to have constant access to, but Fredbear would definitely scare Mike more, seeing the thing that caused the death of his brother) This specific night however, he had to leave it at the restaurant due to the upcoming rain. William goes out to the nearest bar, JR's, to get drunk. He either gets cut off or makes a scene to get kicked out, and so he leaves and in his drunken rage goes to the pizzaria and finds Charlie there and he feels jealous of Henry's happy family so he lashed out and killed Charlie, then midnight motorist starts with him racing (drunk) back home (tries to go back to the bar but the bouncer tells him that he knows he cant be there and to not make it harder than it has to be) and when he gets home his wife tells him to tske it easy on him because he had a rough night. However Mike isnt even there. He went to visit his brother's grave in the woods because his "guard" wasnt at his post tonight. William gets angry and says "he'll be sorry when he gets back" and i believe this is what caused them to move to a house with a bedroom with no windows, and william developing the nightmare animatronics (or illusion discs whichever) i believe william is only ever purple when we see him from other people's perspectives, when hes working the night shift or when he's in a dimly lit backroom helping another employee into their suit, however in midnight motorist we are playing AS william and therefore we see him as he sees himself, the same color as his Springlock suit, the same color as the plushie he talked to the Crying Child through, the same color as the text we see him speak, golden. I think that its definitely williams wife in the chair and she either divorces william soon after this or she ends her own life, which is why he makes Ballora, and i believe that "charlie was the first" implies more that she was the first intentional murder, not that she was the first death, I believe either Crying Child, Elizabeth, or both are dead, causing Willaim to drink, rageful, and decide to lash out and inflict wounds first on Henry, then on the rest of the Missing Childrens families

[@KilosFoxo]

the one arguement about the window being smashed when the person could have opened it assumes that the window isn't locked and can be opened

[@SnoFitzroy]

How does Scott get "inconvenienced" by matpat's theories? Literally what does he mean by that. The only logical idea is that sometimes matpat gets something extremely correct *and scott responds with a retcon.* "only one true retcon" my ass, scott.

[@Cryonide]

I think it makes sense that he gets inconvenienced by some of MatPat's theories. Sometimes, when people hear a theory from a big-time theorist, they get stuck in the idea that they're right about whatever they say because they have a lot of expansive knowledge on the subject. Scott clearly has a story he wants to tell, and MatPat probably led people to thinking the story was something else entirely due to his own interpretation. Can't really blame him for that to be fair, it kinda is what it is.

[@redphantom0019]

Idk if this might help, but What if the Midnight Motorist house is William Afton's and the house from Fnaf 4 is Miss Afton's house? Might explain where the kids are at. Might also explain why it shows up in sister location as it would be William keeping an eye on everyone when they aren't staying at his house. Just an idea though.

[@paydaygh9388]

I’m the FNAF 2 mini game, William is purple, but later that same night he’s depicted as orange? That’s a big piece of evidence and a good counterpoint right there.

[@noahswor]

one detail I haven't seen mentioned yet is that it's raining during the night of midnight motorist. This could have complications with the idea of the tracks being a springlock suit, since we know they can't work in rain (i.e. FNAF3). it's entirely possible that someone could've came earlier in the day in the suit before it was raining, but if it does occur on the same night as charlie's death (where it is also raining), then that wouldn't leave much time for the suit to both be used at night, when its not raining, and also while the driver is away from the home to not observe what happened (assuming that this hypothetical person in the suit wouldn't be doing this in broad daylight).

[@umargul6048]

Don't bother bringing reasonable evidence up. This dude straight up ignores it.

[@hahathatisfunnybro]

One thing I wanna point out is the song that ballora sings in sister location. “All i see is an empty tomb” the song is about her being depressed about a room in the house being a tomb reminding her of her child that died. So unless she didnt write that song when ms afton was alive and the song was made by william after one of his kids died, then that means that one of the afton chileren are already dead before ms afton dies.

[@DiasOctavio]

Acctualy, I belive that the crying child is the runaway and here is why, 1° "later that night " the name of the minigame, clearly refers to Charlie's death, since fnaf 6 don't just make a enormous point about it in many ways during the game, basicly putting Charlie's death as the catalyst of all the series, why it started and why its ending, 2° William is the yellow guy and Henry is the green one, and I can prove it, first for the yellow guy, the violet tendencies were only seen in basicly 2 named caracters in the games (at that point) that aren't animatronics, William and Mike (and yes I'm not bringing the books into this one), taking in consideration that, the purple car, it's color (and I will explain that while I talk about the green guy as well) and the position of the house in relation to jr's (consirering the "U" like, strait lines from the path of the house to jr's, and henry is very much the green guy, because in the same way that William in this game have he's color changed to it's negative (purple fo yellow) Henry, that I think we all can agree is represented by the old man consequences, is also in he's inverted color, from red to green, and yes I think that is valid since William's color is inverted, and he is the only person to EVER be seen driving not just A car but a PURPLE CAR, and since it would be Henry's daughter, he could be still in the place (since he provably was the one that called the police in the first place) and William (the guy that was driving the exact same car a little while back, before and after the killing, and btw police could at least link him to the case because of the tire marks we can see on the security puppet minigame) couldn't stay ther (and yes I see the tracks beeing enough to make him one of the suspects but not enough to put him in jale, and he would be prosecuted and liberated posterioly after the mci since even with both cases, a guy in a costume with no identification, with nothinh but 1 corpse found, Charlie's btw, his first victm, and some tire tracks on the ground wouldn't put anyone in jale, ever), 3° the animatronic out the window is shadow bunny, first because its like it just appeared there and simply vanished, the animatronic beeing shadow Bonnie is very plauseble also because he have 3 toes, just like the footprints, fnaf 2 would already existe in the timeline, since the survive logbook make reference to the crying child was there "was you're favorite ride the carousel?" and I belive that both shadows are an representation of the crimes of Afton, shadow Bonnie for Charlie's death, the birth of the killer bonnie, and shadow Freddy the mci, because of nightmare's death lines in ultimate custom night, "I'm you're wickedness made flash" and the fact that the shadow freddy lead them to Afton "with the same old tricks", as said by henry in fnafs 6 end, and the couch person is probably Mike just trying to ignore his father's lack of interest for him, and one more thing, there are cases when divorced parents lead to separation of the children, and yes I belive that it is possible that william and misses Aftom are already divorced, bill got mike and tge crybaby, and their mothers, stayed with Elisabeth, till William made her lie in court because he couldn't stant the fact that his ex still have the guard to one of their childs, and he as an incredibly horrible persom, would no doubt make his ex wife lose Elizabeth's guard, making space for Elizabeth not being with them in the fnaf 4 time, but the bite of 83 could be the catalyst for William trying to take Elizabeth back, and after that she can die for suicide, and mike that provably wouldn't want to be far from his little sister till he assumed that there was no animatronic danger in the area, remember im baby's counting in sister location, ther is only one person with Elizabeth before the claw happens, probably mike, that saw nothing wrong till he goes away and she dies, he provably saw it happen while he was going away, explaining why nightmare freedbear has a mouth in his boddy, bacuse mike did not let 1 od his siblings die, he let both

[@higueraft571]

Holy CRAP what a wall... >basicly putting Charlie's death as the catalyst of all the series, why it started and why its ending Henry said Charlie was the First Wound, because (to Henry, specifically), she IS. And in a sense, in general it IS true, even if CC dies first. CC simply provokes William into making his First Kill, and discovering Remnant. Causing the MCI and such. >the animatronic out the window is shadow bunny Which is implied to be a product of Agony... before any Murder Sprees. And i suspect it was simply a Scarecrow he knocked over. >and the couch person is probably Mike just trying to ignore his father's lack of interest for him It doesnt fit his behavior (or even color technically) at all :V Infact, speaking of, WHY is CC breaking his window and running off to "That place" repeatedly? Why doesnt William comment on the footprints or such? >and yes I belive that it is possible that william and misses Aftom are already divorced How would Vanessa be born when she's 23 by HW. That implies she would have been born AT THE EARLIEST in 2000. 6-7 years after William died. This implies said divorce would occur somewhere between 2005-2010, which, again, impossible. Infact, it more implies MICHAEL is the Father, not William.

[@MahNamJeff]

so the "midnight motor" is aftons car. womp womp.

[@Ultamatebatman]

Something that always annoyed me is that there is only one set of animatronic footprints. We dont see anymore going forward or back, so where did it go? Even if it was william and he got out, we'd see footprints going to the window. Then, after grabbing the kid, he'd CARRY spring Bonnie away leading to no more tracks? And what about the guy watching tv? He says the kid had a long day meaning he has been in contact with the kid after a decent amount of the day has passed, but he didn't hear the window break or any sounds of struggling?

[@atackhelikopter4303]

i have a more interesting idea for this: what if the kid that was gone ran away from jrs and jumped thru the window, and than he locked himself inside, and the orange guy assumed he ran towards jrs with this assumption we can get a reasoning for what the crying child saw and a logical explanation for a lot of stuff, but still won't explain who was the person on the couch, also with this explanation we could assume that it could straight up be not related to the afton familiy, and it is instead a child from the MCI who managed to escape wiliam

[@Glitch-Vids]

Off topic, I had this video playing and then walked out of the room for a bit. I can running back because you sound so damn close to Hand Unit it was trippy 😂

[@xti7386]

1: Elizabeth dies before the crying child, and the crying child is the one who broke out. 2: Micheal is on the chair and tells William to leave the crying child alone. 3: William is Yellow because he is wearing a rain coat he put on to go to Jr’s. 4: Ms. Afton is buried in the mount of dirt far back from the house. 5: The animatronic footprint is William standing in front of the window to scare his son away from the grave and to make him afraid of the animatronics more. 6: “Remember what you saw” is in reference to spring bonnie worn by William outside of the window staring at him. 7: The window is locked from the outside/the broken glass is just a detail to tell you that there was someone in the window and they have now escaped. 8: William couldnt wear spring bonnie to scare the CC away from the grave because it is raining. 9: William is scaring the CC away from the animatronics because he just killed Elizabeth with one. 10: William killed Charlie because he was drinking at Jr’s to hide the pain of his Wife dying and him killing his daughter. This is also why he cant go to Jr’s because he is too drunk (Also why hes going 200km/h while driving) Only thing left is to explain why William built the Funtimes to be death machines if he doesnt know about remnant yet. It could be that he saw Charlie posses the Puppet but he had already driven off at that point. I took this from a KZbin video explaining the timeline and wrote it the best i could off of memory. I think it was an hour long video by Brussels or something like that. Great video.

[@higueraft571]

>Elizabeth dies before the crying child Why? >Micheal is on the chair and tells William to leave the crying child alone Doesnt fit his behavior OR color. >William is Yellow because he is wearing a rain coat he put on to go to Jr’s. Or... he's simply Not in the Shadows, because we ARE him? >Ms. Afton is buried in the mount of dirt far back from the house. No evidence she's dead. >The animatronic footprint is William standing in front of the window to scare his son away from the grave and to make him afraid of the animatronics more. In... what, exactly? And again, why that? >“Remember what you saw” is in reference to spring bonnie worn by William outside of the window staring at him. How could he have misunderstood something "seen in shadows", and why does it so heavily involve being "eaten", like say... an employee being put in a suit? >William is scaring the CC away from the animatronics because he just killed Elizabeth with one. Wow this timeline is fucked, in this scenario. >Only thing left is to explain why William built the Funtimes to be death machines if he doesnt know about remnant yet. It could be that he saw Charlie posses the Puppet but he had already driven off at that point. Which... conflicts with your own timeline. If he saw Charlie (post 1983), then he must know about Remnant in some capacity. The Funtimes were likely built around/soon after the MCI, but were never used until 1986, and for one day. CC died in 1983, meaning a 6~ year gap between CC and Elizabeth dying.

[@lbolen4304]

I feel like people trying to theorize that the family we see here is the afton family are focusing to much on the williams. What if this family is a completely different family? Maybe there the father of the missing girl we see in the maze game? Maybe his hate for jrs is from his grief and anger over the loss of his daughter so to try and prevent that from happening again he forbids his remaining son from going to jrs? The timeline of the events between games leaves a big gap of possibilities that we may not see in the games themselves. Im sure fazbear entertainment has had more locations than the ones we see along with spin off locations. Like how we build are own pizzeria in pizzeria sim there may be hundreds of restaurants in various different states with completely different animatronics and possibly even more casualties and deaths. At this point fazbear entertainment could have hundreds of lives on there hands and from the sounds of the ar world in the ruin dlc it really sounds like theres a ton of ghosts in the pizzaplex… then again maybe this is the family of one of the former nightguards or workers? They would see first hand the real horrors behind the scenes and would reasonably want there own kids to stay far away.

[@yallaintit]

I will always find this minigame mad interesting. I don't even know why. I don't know if Pizzeria Simulator was meant to be the conclusion of the story, but it sure as hell seemed like it. If that's the case and it was a game meant to tie up loose ends (what seems to be the case), then the minigame probably explains something pretty big. It's meant to be a conclusion, something that explains a piece of lore. That's why I don't think it would just be a way to further show William's bad parenting. There needs to be more to it. We don't need a whole ass minigame to know child-murdeding-Afton was a bad dad, and that his kids disliked him lmao. Again, I think orange guy is William because of the name of the minigame. I just haven't heard any explanations I find satisfactory or realistic enough. The lore is meant to be complex, but if this game was meant to tie up loose ends, "later that night" is practically yelling in our face that it's later in the night that Charlie died.

[@chaoticsilver8442]

15:35 There's also the possibility that the window is just... the kind that doesn't exactly open? Or it's possibly locked to keep Michael in. If William is wanting Michael to stay in his room, why wouldn't he make sure he couldn't just easily go through the window? Feeling in danger isn't the only reason why someone might need to break through a window to get out, it might just be literally impossible to open it the normal way.

[@qualitytimewithted5160]

Welp I just typed out this whole comment but it got deleted. I'm too lazy to retype the whole thing so just ask if you need further explanations "Why is William yellow" To throw off players, to make the lore more confusing. You said it yourself, confusing lore is what started the commmunity. "Which Aftons are here" Michael and Ms. Afton. Michael is the runaway, and Ms. afton is on the chair. Your "proof" that it isn't Ms. Afton is shoddy at best, and it doesn't contradict anything to have her here. "Where are the other 2?" CC is dead and in the mound, and Elizabeth simply isn't really relevant so she isn't here. (Its the same reason why she wasn't in Fnaf4). I mean look just look at the house in this minigame, it only has 2 rooms. The house doesn't literally have 2 rooms in the lore, but its simplified because the other rooms aren't relevant in this minigame, and Elizabeth's absence follows this logic. The next two questions aren't relevant because I don't believe chair person is a babysitter "Why was the animatronic there?" To scare Mike. The animatronic was likely spring bonnie judging by the footprints, and I just think it was there to scare/torment Michael because William hated him after he killed CC. "Where did it go?" Well the animatronic didn't move at all because it only has 1 set of footprints, so it was likely deactivated. This means that Michael could've easily pushed it over no problem. So I think it's in the bushes, fallen over. "Why was the window broken?" Alright you got me there. Here's a guess: the window simply couldn't open. I mean if William wanted to scare Michael and torment him it would make sense that the window wouldn't be openable. Also, Michael has ran off before, so maybe William locked the window to make sure he couldn't escape again easily. Honestly it doesn't really matter too much why he broke the window, the fact is that he broke it. "Where's the glass?" Simple, it just isn't there. Scott didn't add glass because he didn't deem it necessary. Maybe the 8-bit sprites made it hard to do that, idk. Maybe its an oversight. The point is, I don't think it matters too much. The glass had to be broken from the inside because there's no footprints leading to the window, only footprints leading away. "Where's the missing child?" Well I think he ran off visit CC's grave, but yeah you don't see him if you visit the grave. My best guess is that he hid when he saw William's car approach. It's a stretch, but you have to make a few logical leaps when it comes to MM. Afton MM makes the most sense lore wise and relevancy wise. If it was someone else, like Cassidy MM, it wouldn't tell us much, just stuff we already knew. But Afton MM (specifically with runaway Michael) tells us that Michael was extremely guilty from killing CC (granted Fnaf4 already tells us this), that William became a heavy drinker after CC's death and was abusive. He also hated Michael after that and wanted to see him suffer. Also Cassidy MM makes no sense. It ignores tons of evidence and makes too much logical leaps, far more than Afton MM. Anyways, I enjoyed the video, but I do heavily disagree.

[@treena9930]

It could be Henry. We always assumed that just Charlie was his family.

[@loganentertainment1814]

Midnight Motorist was no doubt really interesting, and it did spike a lot of mystery to the story.

[@LightWhisker]

Do you reckon that maybe Midnight Motorist could be a flash back to William Afton's childhood? Maybe he father was an abusive drunk and he took refuge at Jrs, which lead to his murderous tenancies and fascination with the anamatronics he saw as his protectors?

[@ScoreMagnet]

There is also only one set of footprints. Not one leading to and one leading away from the window, which would be a sign that nobody got in, only out. The glass can still be broken from the outside. Also you see no animatronic footprints apart from these two. That means the Animatronic didn't walk after it started raining. My guess: The window was somehow broken, someone got out, took the animatronic and buried it on that place? (The pile of dirt) and then went somewhere else. Also it can still be the night where Charlie died but maybe with orange guy as Henry (the orange is on the opposite side of the colourwheel as Williams purple). Henry has a wife and a son after all (Sammy). He could be drunk and/or angry, because of what happened to his daughter.

[@SansySkeleton28]

i like to think that william was wearing the springbonnie suit cause he mostly wear it when murdering childrens and he had no time to take it off so he just goes home with it, but it also doesn't make alot of sense

[@Space_Gojira]

MatPat brought it up in his most recent FNaF timeline video, but he believes that Elizabeth must've died after the Crying Child. We know that the Funtime animatronics were built to collect children so William could study remnant, but this wouldn't make sense for William to do BEFORE the Crying Child died. He was inspired to study remnant after learning about the core 4 animatronics moving around the restaurant at night. This means that William created the Funtime animatronics some time after 1985, which is already after the Crying Child passed away.

[@nightshademasquerade4703]

I'm pretty sure Elizabeth died after Cassidy (BV Afton). In the Mangle reveal teaser for Special Delivery, it's shown that the pink bed in FNAF 4 is actually a CRIB. When Cassidy DIES, Elizabeth is only 3 years old AT MOST. The reason we don't see Elizabeth around is because she's a baby or maybe toddler - probably already asleep in her crib. Her voice lines from Sister Location clearly indicate that she's older than that by the time of her death. I think the mound is literally called "unmarked grave," so I'd be willing to assume that it's Mrs. Afton. Vanessa, I think, represents the Afton children as a whole (not just Elizabeth) because if it was an exact parallel, why isn't there any mention of Vanessa having siblings? So the runaway has to be Cassidy, and I think the animatronic footprints are Henry coming to check up on him (and bring him somewhere safer, away from his father) since that night clearly isn't the first time Afton has been drunk or acted aggressively toward his children. Because it's a springlock, we know that Cassidy and Henry arrived back at Fredbear's Family Diner before it started raining, meaning they were both there at the time that Afton killed Henry's daughter. I think Cassidy saw it, or Afton was afraid that Cassidy may have seen it, and this is the only murder where he didn't disguise himself first - this incident could've been the catalyst for why Afton started adopting his specific MO of luring kids via mascot suits / costumes.

[@devonh6523]

Midnight motorist is about a completely seperate family. William kidnaps their kid he is inside a spring lock suit outside the window

[@MakinItRain24-7]

What if the reason he's not purple is because William has yet to kill anyone yet? As in him being "clean" in a sense. Or maybe it's because of how other people view him as opposed to how he views himself. He is purple in all the scenes where we see him from someone elses perspective as he is viewed as evil, but is orange in this case because we're seeing him from his perspective, if that makes sense. I don't really know if this works but i guess its food for thought

[@Cryonide]

1. If he hasn't killed anyone yet, then this can't take place directly after the death of Charlie. 2. If he's only purple when we see him from the perspective of people who think he's evil, then that would imply that the Crying Child thinks he's evil during the FNAF4 cutscenes.

[@umargul6048]

@@CryonideOr hear me out, maybe Scott was telling the truth and William is purple when he's in the shadows and the reason he's yellow/orange is because he's out in the open and you also can't hide from yourself?

[@umargul6048]

@@CryonideNo response, I see.

[@yoitskris]

Your logic about Liz is very reminiscent of the fnaf 4 debate about her not being there as well. You're assuming that because we don't see her, she MUST be dead, which is flawed logic. Why can't she just be in a part of the house we don't see? We clearly aren't shown the entire MM house because what house has only 2 rooms in it? Also Liz HAS to have died at least after the MCI. We know that Circus Baby's rentals opens after a Freddy's closes as stated by hand unit. The first freddy's closed in 1985 after the MCI. Yes, that is just the rental location that hand unit talks about so I understand the argument of "oh well maybe Circus Baby's Pizza World opened earlier in the timeline" because we know Pizza World is where Elizabeth dies, however there is one thing that implies that Pizza World opened later on. Back when we were waiting for Sister Location to come out, the teaser "Canceled due to leaks" came out. That teaser is the first thing that told us that Pizza World closed on its first day open, however there was more stuff (I believe it was in the source code) on Scott's website. There were quotes from people talking about the restaurant closing and one of them was “If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you!” That implies that Circus Baby's rentals opens shortly after Pizza World shuts down, since it's referencing how the animatronics would get rented out for parties. And since we know the rental place opened after Freddy's closes, that must also be true for Pizza World. Meaning that Liz can't be dead until after 1985 at the latest.

[@Cryonide]

Huh. First time seeing a name I recognize in my comments section! This is... a weird feeling. That aside, I disagree with your logic on Elizabeth being present here. You have a point with us not seeing the entire Midnight Motorist house, and it's logical to assume that there *are* more rooms present--a bathroom, a kitchen, another bedroom for the parents, et cetera. That's all fair, but assuming the existence of another person without us having any evidence of her being present here is a much bigger assumption than me assuming that she's not here, at least in my eyes. It all goes back to whether or not you think the evidence of this family being the Aftons is enough--and we both know where I stand on that. (And now apparently Rory is a thing, which... God, don't even get me started on that yet, I'm not ready. I also don't think that the quote of “If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you!” implies that this happened soon after the closing of Circus Baby's Pizza World at all. I think that's just corporate talk from a company trying to assure people and investors that there's nothing wrong with the company, and that things will be back to normal for them soon. As for when Circus Baby's Pizza World closes... I don't have the foggiest idea. (And again, the new story featuring Rory apparently helps us place where Sister Location is in the timeline, but like I said, I'm not ready for a big conversation on that topic yet.

[@yoitskris]

​@@Cryonide When it comes to any leaks from the books, I think it's safest to wait until they actually release before coming to any conclusions. The stuff about Rory just confused me really bad, and as far as I'm aware, the entire story hasn't been leaked. So even though parts of it may "confirm" some of the lore, we should still wait for the book to come out so we can get the full context. The quote about Circus Baby's is saying how there's gonna be an animatronic at a local party. We know that the rental service sends out the robots to parties. That quote is directly referencing the rental service. They're talking about CBPW closing being "too soon",(too soon for what? idk maybe too soon after Freddy's closed) and "too ambitious" implying to me that it closing was a recent event. Then they immediately talk about how the robots are gonna be at parties, implying to me that they already planned to have the rental service be a thing. As for the other stuff about MM, (assuming it's about the Afton's) nobody knows *why* certain things are left out. You make a point in your video that the community "wants things to be confusing". I disagree with that because all I've seen is the whole community complaining that things are too confusing, especially when it comes to the newer games. People definitely like to try to solve things, but I don't think people like when it's "confusing". I think a better word to use is "vague". The lore we get in the games is vague enough to where we can get multiple different interpretations of the same games. So that could answer some of your questions in the video. Why is William orange? To be vague. Why don't we see Liz? To be vague. Obviously those answers aren't that good, and they're only part of the reason for these details being the way they are, but to me they're still *valid*. Also if William was purple, and if we did see Liz, and if other details had easy answers, there would be nothing to theorize about, and you acknowledge the fact that that's how the community got so big in the first place. I'm all for different interpretations. When I make my theories, I like to look at evidence for, and against my interpretations because I like to look at all the evidence that is plausible. But I'm also someone who doesn't like to overcomplicate things. I like to go by Occam's razor when theorizing because I think that stories that are simple are better than stories that overcomplicate everything just to be overcomplicated.

[@sansthecritic2093]

I was gonna say maybe the reason William isn’t purple is because he is not in his night guard suit, but I remembered that when he killed Charlie, he was purple, and this Minigame takes place after her death. So that can’t work either

[@gdeveloper3309]

OH MY GOODNESS, ur points are GENIUS Henry couch, debunked, no car, genius You do bring a good point about Mrs. Afton, although with the interpretation that elizabeth hasn't been born yet and died sometime later like around fnaf 1 or so could explain why she isn't in the minigames in mm or fnaf 4 yet, letting Mrs. Afton be on the couch and mike being the one who ran away (although im not mikerunaway). I think this gets less credible since it does look like the child who owned the girls room was playing with a mangle toy (not cleaned up, a toy since mangle isn't invented yet, no baby stuff around or cribs), so yeah i think that might be a bit more on the debunked side. your points are so original, why has NO ONE ever mentioned any of this in their theories?!?!? although now, my favorite one is bv runaway personally, so i might be a bit biased but, i'll go through each possible way this could in in excruciating detail: footprints?, scare, lure, visit, or have follow: -since shadow freddy may be nightmare and nightmare says I am your wickedness made from flesh, william starting killing could be when his wickedness takes form and starts walking around, shadow freddy could also lure bite victim since he's william's wickedness made of flesh, or may be trying to lead him into the freddy's location, as he is known for making people follow him. I don't think this is entirely the case since the runaway kid runs off multiple times prior to charlie's death, with or without the footprints, if the footprints or some other incident prior to charlie's death were the reason the kid runs off, or tried to stop the kid from running off this would imply some previous incident -maybe mci 83 before charlie, i technically do believe this despite henry's lines but not as a counter point, but as a conclusion i had to come to since i assumed bv had runaway. its really sketchy im be honest, whatever just take my money, but ima go cope and assume since the line says " Not until I undo what he has done and heal this wound - a wound first inflicted on me, but then one that I let bleed out to cause all of this." i could wiggle room and say there's only one wound, and its everything william done, not necessarily one victim, but perhaps maybe william did the mci to spite henry, leading into causing everything leading up to fnaf 6, and i guess technically mci 83 evidence for theories (but i wont list that here). You make a good point though, even if mci83 is true, it still sketchy placing it before charlie's death -william in spring bonnie. spring suits are a very logical answer, william and spring bonnie assuming bvrunaway were definitely here at this point in time. It's also what everyone probably first thought happened, something spring suity like fredbear or spring bonnie or something. Assuming bv runaway, why would william want to scare bv away from freddy's? probably relating to "what he saw", which despite being misunderstood in the mind of a child, could be partly real plush fredbear acts super sus, and given the sister location control room, seems to be that william was spying on the crying child, or even was the plush himself telling bv to runaway and be scared. Of course, i dont think the footprints are the what "he saw", since it was relating to being caught, so maybe a previous incident occurred, bv saw that, william knows that and scares him away with fredbear plush lines and wearing spring bonnie, or, an incident afterwards where he succeeds in running away to freddy's but finds something he shouldn't have saw and then got terrified of the spring suits. although, like mci 83 again, what incident could've possibly occurred before charlie's death to be for what he saw relating to the spring suits, OR if not what he saw since he didn't see nothing yet, this implies another incident during or a bit after charlie's death which wouldn't make sense for two incidents to be going on and not linked or would mean bv didnt see anything yet and may have no reason to be running off (unless its because its an abusive family and he wants go to where fantasy and fun come from but why would william try scaring bv?) yeah my only reason is mci 83 should we dismiss what "he saw" since the story changes over time and its linked to dream theory, me personally, i think some good alternatives to dream theory now are these, and dream theory possibly might not have been inteneded: -intense foreshadowing or maybe linking the playground kids to the dci (sorta unlikely due to age) -some of the references link up to happiest day (but don't explain things like the toy chica missing her beak in 4 and 2 thing) -bv haunts the franchise or his agony is changing things according to his memory, the spirit follows the pain, and everything freddy's related caused him pain (i think this is very likely, and even at the time dream theory had a few problems like calculating minimum wage in the future) -this seems like it would qualify for a major retcon change (the entire timeline being a dream, or the mci date) scott said only 1 small unnoticed retcon -i dont feel the need to dismiss or think that what he saw was changed, since the only reason that may be is because some of the evidence links the mci at happening at a later date, but not necessarily meaning bv never saw anything all around the random easter eggs could still have an effect, suggesting bv's presence to be around or something For bv or mike breaking glass, I agree on lots of parts. Breaking the glass seems like an emergency or last resort, although hard to say if the window even was able to be opened, maybe the window can't. It could be a sense of urgency making micheal break the window, since its not just to escape the room, but likely to go freddy's or whatever, and do that multiple times, so technically there might be a way around using the nightmares specifically (although although this could be a separate nightmare event, like some theorize the nightmares haunting bv and later on micheal). Locking the door seems to tie in with the strategy of exiting through the window, so whatever the situation, breaking the window probably related to running off or urgency. (triple although, i also disagree with the nightmares haunting micheal during mm, or at least more than 1 at the point of midnight motorist since his mom might be on the couch which would be weird if she saw them too, maybe 1 animatronic fredbear scarecrow, or a possessed fredbear, all outside, but multiple animatronics trying to get in might raise alarms for couch person) The stomach jaw ones might not need to tie into elizabeth, since him knowing how she died is a bit sketchy, and fnaf 4 was the final chapter so for elizabeth to be stomach eaten explaining/clarifying fredbear's stomach teeth seems unlikey. It could have been retrofitted and you may be right about that design detail, but whatever the reason for it, it seems like it was a reason that was there during release. I think it may just be more teeth to be extra eaty but who knows, might not need elizabeth I agree about there being a lot of issues about the place mike would've ran off to, less of a motivation, and it seems he missed the animatronic. only place he'd need the sense of urgency of visiting is cc's grave although why would william forbid him going there, who knows etc. Jr's might be a bar honestly, the color change pretty hard to explain. you'd either have to say the yellow is a red herring, or the purple car is a red herring. scott was clearly trying to make the identity ambiguous so i guess thats my explanation i dunno, just whatever floats your personal timeline. the new color comes with a new identity mystery to figure out and it seems like for purple people, the purple car could shed light on the new identity, and william being seen in a new color might not be a contradiction necessarily Part 2 is in the replies since this is glitching cuz its too long

[@gdeveloper3309]

part 2: later that night seems pretty compelling william evidence since there's a lot of coincidences. I get reusing the rain, hey maybe have rain to get the footprint man in the spring lock suit out, but why make it rain in security puppet, it just adds to coincidence, but unfortunately nothing more than coincidences and associations but the clues i just mentioned suggesting william are of course nothing concrete but could just be brushed off as a lot lot of coincidences i think somewhere in the vid u said somethin about using the books or something and we gotta earn it as theorists, i forget i lost place in video but in lots of those faz fright stories, a lot of characters try to escape or run away, to go rescue someone, usually at a freddy's, and i swear in every story the main characters we follow in every single story all in some way tie back to the aftons with parallels somehow, those stories are up to interpretation who knows wahh wahh, bro i should've waited till the end of the video, now i gotta reanswer all these questions!!!! lemme resummarize my personal views: -orange guy not purple? to create an identity mystery -aftons? bvrunaway couchmicheal -other two aftons? -elizabeth w/ mother or not born yet, mrs. afton with elizabeth -babysitter? I dont think so, just micheal -animatronic? william trying to further scare bv to keep him from investigating "what he saw" (whatever that might be) -where animatronic? back wherever william had it, it started to rain, he took it off, and drove off to kill charlie in frustration of other non related things, while spring bonnie stoppe stalking him, bv took the opportunity to run off -broken window? sense of urgency, window couldnt open (like the ones seen in the fnaf 4 house), or something else causing the window to break from a previous escape attempt -missing glass? not outside as of mm, since he runs off a lot, the glass shards may be from a previous escape attempt but cleaned up after a few days, and since we technically dont see the room we can't say the glass shards are inside either as of now (maybe an animatronic did try to break in a couple days before during a previous escape attempt who knows), but locking the door seems to be part of their strategy, perhaps to get out through the window a lot, since its never seen inside it might just not be included entirely -runwhere? as far away as freddy's is since i think charlie got killed at freddy's, i think he ran there since its the only intriguing enough place and related thing in fnaf. Jrs never really felt like an option to me since it seems to be a bar, and the animatronic seems to be related to the place the runaway kid runs off to i think your interpretation is very logical, as do i think of everyone else's interpretations and i think it all boils down to: sprite evidence vrs personal timelines and how ambiguous of a minigame it is, that people can come to many different sound conclusions, I think everyone's missing something in their mm theories like the stuff you mentioned, ESPECIALLY the glass, where is it frfr scott? for your interpretation its less conventional since lots of stuff is brushed off as coincidences (although to be fair at least labeling things as uncomfortable coincidences and accepting that may be better than using the coincidences and ending up with timelines with the contradictions you mentioned in the video which do feel weird) your video brought up really interesting points, so poggers

[@higueraft571]

@@gdeveloper3309 >Henry couch, debunked, no car, genius It really doesnt. Coworkers could easily give another a ride, especially if they work in shifts... Or Scott simply didnt add one because it's not Important, like how there's more than two rooms, but we never see the rest. Or the glass on the ground, because (again), the broken window is probably a good enough clue already. >You do bring a good point about Mrs. Afton One big problem i have with their theory: Vanessa's tapes cant POSSIBLY be about her, the dates are horribly wrong. >maybe mci 83 before charlie Definitely not. >First Wound Pretty certain this is Charlie, although that's merely from Henry's PoV. William would likely say CC is the First Wound. >"what you saw" Likely an Employee being "eaten" by a Springlock, like we see in 4 with William's assistance. >lot of issues about the place mike would've ran off to, less of a motivation, and it seems he missed the animatronic. Hospital where CC died. Fredbear's where he "Killed" CC. As mentioned a Grave (not the mound we see). And why? Guilt. Grieving. And it also assumes that's an Animatronic, and not a Scarecrow of sorts. >bvrunaway couchmicheal More likely Michael's the runaway, and CC's dead. >since i think charlie got killed at freddy's Why run *towards* Charlie though?

[@zenotruffle]

I'm betting that the animatronic foot prints are golden Freddy's since they go nowhere and he is capable of appearing and vanishing where ever. I think that is Mike in the chair with the grey shirt he had back in FNAF 4 and that this is taking place after Charlie's death. William is drunk, so he is turned away from the bar (also hence the speeding, yelling, and short temper). I am theorizing that Cassidy is the victim before Charlie.