Impossible Beauty Standards with Ashley Choi, BM (KARD), Peniel (BTOB) I GET REAL Ep. #7

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[@happybirthday6130]

best podcast ever!!!

[@chadetuldanes]

can we please hear them talking about how they show affection like towards family and friends

[@ElliStar92]

I would love to know 3 things, 1: What happens/reaction when Kpop artists meets other artists or their own Idols from the industry? 2: How the process of doing collaborations with other artists and the biggest fear of something going wrong during the collaboration. 3: What is your dream collaboration/collaborations dead or alive? It can be ANY artist, dose not have to be a Kpop artist

[@altheam1837]

I want to know what they think about sasaeng fans

[@nezinabel4291]

Loved the podcasts! next time is it possible for them to address the issue about sasaeng fans? I think it's been really bad (especially mentally) for idols and I really want to know what they think of this

[@panhiapanhia]

Peniel: "Beauty is a mindset".

[@veer.]

Ashley: “I like the back of the heel”

[@fightfannerd2078]

not true at all

[@certifiedsirius]

FIGHTFANNERD9 KPOP is Trash & Twice is the worst pretty much is

[@ronikachugh2049]

PERIODT

[@himisseverything2979]

I said PERIODT so loud

[@jenwithluv4066]

who tf is telling peniel that he looks like buzz lightyear & a lego💀💀💀

[@jenwithluv4066]

he looks good 😼

[@Pmibyvexexxrc]

Korean entertainment business is crazily judgemental, but that also made kpop group s more popular. But yeah, Korean entertainment business should chill the fuck out haha

[@arinanamjin2622]

That’d the hottest/most handsome Buzz Light year/LEGO ever ngl

[@muti7880]

it is either ilhoon or sungjae those brat maknaes🤣 jk tho

[@saphiraevani3043]

I love buzz lightyear...to infinity and beyond

[@TheCIownPrince]

After 7 episodes, I'm convinced Peniel is a guru with infinite knowledge. The stuff he says sometimes is just so real, so obvious, but I never really considered it til he said it

[@ranuod_]

well, I'm 100 % agree 👊

[@emilywilliams3748]

He's very quiet in videos with his members cause he wasn't very confident with Korean. It's only when you see him speak English you see him. He's hilarious.

[@creatrixnd4182]

I remember him saying he hardly studied for S.A.T. but he still made awesome grades. He's smart.

[@klklklxx]

he be high af LMAO no way he notice all this stuff while being sober

[@michanghyun]

@@klklklxx he either was high or has been depressed, you know 🤔🧐

[@beepboop_watches]

god the point Ashley was making about everyone wearing the same stuff is so true. it's super irritating when people call their faves a "fashionista" or "fashion icon" just because they look good in their outfits. most of the outfits are literally just what ashley described, that long coat, t shirt/button up, nice pants and dress shoes. literally anyone can look good in that outfit, especially if they have good proportions and they're already good looking like most korean celebs. a fashion icon is someone who dresses differently from other people and has the confidence to experiment with outfits that no one else is wearing. they set trends for other people to follow and they're not afraid to look "weird" because they would rather look "weird" and different than everyone else than just look good in an outfit that everyone else is wearing.

[@HajerJ]

This is so true and made me realize why shinee’s key is called a fashion icon by everyone in the industry 😂

[@beepboop_watches]

@@HajerJ yes! not everyone will think his outfits are pretty but that's because he doesn't dress "pretty", he dresses to try out new styles and to experiment with clothes. same with his hair and makeup! he's always trying looks that he wants to wear, not what everyone else is wearing and it's so inspiring!

[@emmzyjane]

It’s really annoying when someone gets called a fashion icon when they’ve got good proportions and are skinny but if someone wears the same outfit and is bigger they don’t get the same praise Also I think an example of a fashion icon would be Chaeyoung from Twice because she isn’t afraid to experiment with her fashion and wears different outfits to others

[@HajerJ]

beepboop! Exactly! He often gets the reaction “if someone wore this they’d look hideous but because it’s Key he looks cool as heck” and I think it’s so cool how he has the ability to make people feel/think like that. It’s a talent of its own. His personality and mindset is indeed inspiring!

[@cullengal93]

G-Dragon comes to mind :D

[@izzie9539]

I love how Peniel censors himself like "shiitake mushrooms" "mother lover" "flying flunk" and "flunk you"

[@macintoshhjball4686]

@moonstone.mp4 ooo i see what you did their lol

[@vanzikpuiirenthlei3107]

@moonstone.mp4 Holy forking Shirt balls

[@josephpercy8772]

He straight up stopped doing that recently.

[@ayanahmed4868]

Peniel: they told me I look like buzz lightyear Peniel: they told me I look like a lego Me: Damn give him a break my ego would’ve been ruined if they told me all that

[@neronoid]

buzz lightyear is lowkey hot tho...

[@imsocoolthatudied]

I feel bad for laughing so hard 💀

[@bibbidibobbidibooboo]

those comparisons were oddly specific lol

[@goinchatty]

@@neronoid and lego is lit, bro.. :3

[@dontsleeponseventeen1238]

I saw what you did there

[@jeangerbreed]

who TF owns Dive Studios?!?! they're making a HUGEEEEE change in Korean stereotypes. Good Job!

[@lnmchggg]

The Nam Brothers!!! Eric, Brian, Eddie Nam

[@freyadalina929]

@@lnmchggg WHAT - THEY OWN IT??!

[@atifzkhan]

eddie nam is the founder of dive studios he asked eric to do a podcast just for fun and that's how it started

[@kmz8157]

Yeahhhhh tho

[@JSJA19640]

Whos Diane? I know they talk about her sometimes

[@abigailclifford1872]

Peniel being asked about his ideal type. : I don't think i have any ideal type Oh, are you seeing more to the personality? : No, I didn't even know their personality when I asked them out So, is it about the vibes? I don't know what vibes mean Lol, Peniel, did you just date people randomly?

[@triz8399]

I'm almost convinced Peniel has aphantasia (mental condition characterized by an inability to voluntarily visualize mental imagery)

[@ComedyGlor]

So basically he goes off looks like every guy ?

[@ComedyGlor]

Zue Ch it was a joke lmfao

[@은혜-s8z]

i think peniel is the type of guy that when he's attracted to someone. he's attracted. he doesn't specifically look for a trait or a vibe or stuff. he's attracted that's it

[@fathimahaz-zahra5822]

은혜 yeah true

[@sophie_futo]

I love how Peniel and BM understand each other from half sentences and I'm just sitting here like 👀.

[@andreituico7273]

It’s a guy thing probably, I completely understood them lol

[@dindaadytya9150]

"Everyone has their own beauty standard" "Beauty is happiness" I love this convo.

[@Squad2SoiFon]

I think growing up in America really helped out these guys' mental health/self esteem during that critical period of teen-young adult years. I know in many Asian countries, including Korea, the beauty standards are imposed at such a young age, around the pre-teen years, and things like weight, complexion and facial features are discussed about kids whether they like it or not. It must be so much worse for young idol trainees that have to meet the high standards successful idols have already set, it can take a serious toll on a person's mental health and self esteem. Growing up outside of that pressure in a country (and an age) where beauty is less constricted for the larger parts of 'growing up' years can be much healthier. That's probably not as relevant with this current generation (seriously, the pressures of social media, especially tiktok, on kids is crazy)

[@Frau_Zett]

That was such a good comment, I 100% agree. A bit of peer pressure to look good would be normal in any society, however South Korea is taking it to the next level which is basically "lookism". Being so overly competetive in literally every aspect of life (education, income, appearance etc) is extremely detrimental to a person's mental health, because it's a simple fact that not everybody can achieve the same things in life no matter how hard they try. Some people aren't born that pretty, some people aren't born that smart, and that's perfectly fine. They should be supported and feel valued for who they are and what they are able to achieve, not shamed for who they can't be. I wasn't surprised to learn SK has the second highest suicide rate among OECD countries, this is a homemade problem.

[@daniellalewis1334]

totally agree with you

[@jasonpham8554]

As an Asian American male, I think my self-confidence would have been higher if I grew up in Asia. A lot of people told me growing up that Asian men are not very attractive or that they look all the same. No one really complimented my looks until I went to a college where it was majority Asian.

[@christopherherr7561]

@@jasonpham8554 so I guess there's good and bad no matter where you go. It is what it is though. I totally feel you, though. It used to bug me when I was younger when I was made to feel lesser than what I was just because I was Asian. But once you grab a good hold of your individuality, those kinds of things don't seem to matter as much anymore. I mean the media does have a certain portrayal of us Asians but as long as you learn to love yourself, you can just say "fuck em"

[@kerryholland4822]

​@@jasonpham8554I think people will find a reason to make you feel insecure, it's a power play. I'm a white, blue eye girl and live in England- so in theory I should fit in. But I was heavily bullied about my appearance that I ended up having such low self esteem that I became anorexic. Industries like the fitness, diet and beauty make money from our insecurities, white patriarchy, raises us to make us feel insecure about things like race and gender. There is obviously nothing wrong with being an Asian guy, but they don't want you to know your beauty and power because you can't they can't control people who truly know their worth and they can't make money off you

[@rileywrenn6808]

Whoever the woman in the back with the loud ass laugh is, I love you so much 😂, it’s so funny when the people off camera starts to laugh as well

[@dramaqueen3893]

She's Diane

[@that_sam_94]

Peniel would go straight to The Good Place the way he bleeps out his own curses. Motherlovin and flying funk XD

[@KIWIGIRL0610]

The only phase I went though and still am was the whatever I could afford phase

[@claudiatejada7889]

Me And Whatever fits

[@Sophie_Woit]

@@claudiatejada7889 me 2

[@mhyxz1107]

YES FELT THIS ON A FINANCIAL LEVEL...

[@Frau_Zett]

Relatable af!

[@cupofgreentea]

Or whatever i can steal from my sister

[@pstmxlmnd]

peniel is literally always like head empty no thoughts bc he's always like 'idk i haven't thought abt it' truly inspirational

[@kerryholland4822]

That's a really healthy way to live. Can't relate

[@CRYBBY94]

I COMPLETELY agree with Ashley!! Even for me, being American, as soon as I started absorbing South Korean culture online, I've become so much more self conscious than ever about the TINIEST things that don't matter in the states. And that's just from consuming South Korean media for over 10 years of my life! What's even crazier is that MY KNEES were one of the things I became insecure about, too!!! I heard someone say it on a show and I realized I had "ugly knees" too. I also recently become insecure about my neckline! The trend now is to have an 'L' shape line from your neck to your shoulder, but I have a raised trap muscle.

[@Sophie_Woit]

Same especially when you are so young, this is so pressering

[@fraiseaumiel9956]

Same and 'm not that young tbh like i got unsecure about my weight which is pretty good and considered skinny where i live ...

[@candicesibanda3103]

Girl stay strong ,YOU are not alone , I have to constantly check myself for it too

[@kristenbush1087]

I’m happy I’m not the only one! I was very comfortable with myself until I realised everyone was very thin and they would make fun of bigger women or the bigger women would have to get thin to find love I started getting very self conscious

[@artaAKAweeklygirl]

Wtf are ugly knees? I think you should stop consuming s-korean stuff. You reached a level where its meddling way too much with your head

[@beewee18]

Peniel: my goal is to have such good skin that I don’t need to wear make up when I go out on broadcast. I want this too. Hope to find the best skin care that would suit my skin type soon.

[@rafiatahir5361]

Same 🙌

[@kareenabluu]

Peniel beefing with a CACTUS.

[@hanimaisarahishak3152]

BAHAHAHAHAAHAH

[@jiminhart]

What amazed me when I lived in Korea was that people would notice if I gained or lost even 1kg. I knew that they noticed because they would also comment. I've never experienced that in any of the other 3 countries I've lived in.

[@ar-nq6gm]

i still can't tell when people's faces are 'bloated' or not. like when idols say 'omg my face is so bloated' i'm like ????????? you look the same!

[@christinea.a.a]

@@ar-nq6gm SAME in kdramas too I'm like ????? huh

[@BT-hx7kx]

@@ar-nq6gm I agree I always thought they just felt more bloated how can they tell their face is puffier, I've only felt my face puffy when I had an allergic reaction

[@LucidusNailah]

@@ar-nq6gm trueeeeee! I've been following Korean entertainment industry for almost 2 decades and still couldn't digest that! My reaction will still be the same 🤔🤔🤔🧐🧐🧐

[@fergalfly123]

@@ar-nq6gm Me too! I'm still searching for an answer hahaaa

[@armoantic05]

out of all people bm could of chosen he said “beyoncé” me “👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽”

[@aneisap7517]

Saw the link..clicked... Can't wait for Ashley's knees story and Peniel Legos body

[@ginaverso]

Omg! Same xD

[@creatrixnd4182]

How Peniel looked at beauty is really good. Also even though many people were telling him to change himself he stuck with what he has and embraced it. It's pretty inspiring me thinks

[@nisyasalim7496]

Ashley: confused at why people care about pretty knees Also Ashley: 💛 a c h i l l e s h e e l s 💛

[@shielacasiple9142]

lol

[@hritika535]

But I feel like it's one thing to have a personal preference..like am pretty sure she doesn't go around telling people to their face how she likes their achilles heels. But it's a totally different thing to tell someone they don't have 'pretty knees' or whatever, like even if you feel that way just keep it to yourself..why you gotta make them feel bad or insecure about themselves?

[@yacobeinauan16]

Whenever Peniel mentioned feet she was like Ewwww

[@areumheart4751]

Diane's laugh is always the highlight for me when I watch any podcast :')

[@amahumaira7668]

Agree. Diane I'm a fans of you

[@OrdMonic]

Sameee 👏🏻👏🏻😂

[@enda19]

LOL same. Listening to her laugh in the background just makes everything funnier

[@casandraogoe8394]

I agree I really love Diana she's so funny 😂👏

[@belleespa]

breaking news: ashley has a kink for achilles heels

[@nikolaiquack8548]

I love how she still goes: "Eww" when someone mentioned foot fetish, though. Maybe it's cause I got one, but I was like: "Biiiiitch, the achilles heel is a part of the foot!"

[@colonthree9874]

@@nikolaiquack8548 Yo, long shot, and a legit question. I don't get the foot fetish thing but is that a natural occurence where you just happen to like the look of feet or something? Sorry for askin such a dumb question.

[@nikolaiquack8548]

@@colonthree9874 It's still not a 100% clear where any fetish comes from. Most scientists think that they are not hereditary, BUT from my personal experience, and I've talked about this with a bunch of other people who got a kink or fetish, I've had that thing since early childhood, so much so that I don't remember ever not having it. Btw, feet are more like a kink for me, rather then a fetish. There is a fine line between the two, but a fetish is something that's absolutely necessary for you to get off. Anyway, my main kink so to speak is actually tickling, haha. Feet are more like a combo thing with that for me. Btw, some people have argued that, because the parts of the brain responsible for feet and some sexual stuff are close to each other, sometimes neuron connections can be built that weren't supposed to be there. So that might have something to do with the reason why the foot fetish is one of the most common ones.

[@ItsBrittanyLajoyce]

Peniel saved Ashley from the beehive at the start when Matt asked if Beyoncé was beautiful

[@whenraindropsfall]

it’s 2020 beehive is dead ☕️

[@darpur5469]

@@whenraindropsfall nah we're not

[@crystalslayer1]

Facts the beehive fandom is AGRESSIVE asf and annoying. 😩😩

[@adaezez8378]

@@crystalslayer1 like most fandom lol

[@eugeneharajuku]

@@crystalslayer1 yeah they are but I’m more scared of her anti’s

[@xxrexentedx5020]

I’m absolutely in love with get real and hwaiting right now it’s unbelievable I just can’t wait for the next episodes to come out....

[@1989snb]

Me too 😁

[@kowsrock111]

Hwaitings already done, find it on facebook 😉

[@marisleong8725]

it’s actually already released, just search it up on google :)

[@angelmontefalco6282]

Jack Chambers same me too 🥺🥺🧡

[@divine324]

sameee

[@leidybach982]

Ashley : queer eye!! Peniel: wHat iS tHat?! Me: he is definitely straight guys.

[@angelmontefalco6282]

Leidy Bach what is that?

[@muti7880]

what is it tho??

[@Mo-hh8wh]

y’all, google is a thing and ashley explained it.

[@saucymilly]

muti its a show on Netflix, it’s really good! they do makeovers on people and their houses even and help them have a better lifestyle

[@angelmontefalco6282]

saucy milly Oh but why she/he said that Peniel is a straight guy though? is it only for girls?

[@cxli3621]

hi guy's love your podcast my question would be how do companies or idols handle the topic of LGBT idols with their being so many idols its bound that not everyone isn't straight and with korea not being the most open minded place how do those idols that identify with the LGBT handle it or hide it?

[@Juliajulie00]

Yeah that's a good question! Also Loveee your Jihoon pfp

[@cxli3621]

@@Juliajulie00 THANKS

[@minniestagram]

I asked the same thing last week but I feel like it might be too controversial

[@kahoharah]

That's a good question!! Will would be better If they have a guest who is in LGBTQ community to speak about this.

[@liastorm795]

@@ginahatim3088 Why would they not🙄

[@goinchatty]

Well, my dad said we might have those days when we don't wanna dress up and all; yet we're still feeling content of who we are, that's totally okay.. That's you RESPECTING YOURSELF, but we should still dress up when we're meeting other people/new people, cause that's one way of showing that we respect them, that's US RESPECTING OTHERS. He asked me to think bout it, "don't you feel good when you found out that s/he dressed up nicely just to meet you?" He also said, "it's a different story when you're with closer friend, when s/he tone down that means s/he finds you comfortable, and that's an awesome thing to happen too." So yea, all in all.. It made me think that every look is okay.. Every style is okay.. Cause the important thing to do is being considerate..about whom we are meeting, about the time, about the events/occasions, ya know.. just dress up accordingly.. :D Anw, thanks for this vid, you guys did so well!! Thanks Ashley, Peniel, BM, Diane.. \(^o^)/ Have a blessed day, guys..

[@navi3430]

i I love this comment and your dad's view on it! :D

[@carlamaealcantara4200]

BM: A person looks their best when they smile. Ashley: 4:32 😁

[@kerrymint]

so damn iconic

[@Marybay52]

The woman laughing in the back is iconic 😂

[@itsliv7852]

Everytime she laughs I'm like: same😂😂

[@truthsays3282]

*I know there's a beauty standard everywhere but korea is a whole new level. It's so toxic in this particular aspect it enrages me sometimes seeing how people have to be 'beautiful' when in fact they are already are! And ended up having more issues and problems and disorders than they should have without adhering to those customs. It's just soooo sad and alarming please it shouldn't be this way guys. Be you, keep doing you to hell with the quote unquote standards. Comfort should what matters the most!*

[@Frau_Zett]

Agreed, it also really weirds me out how anybody who doesn't fit these set standards to the T (like small face, double eyelids, pale skin yadda yadda) is automatically considered "ugly", like there is zero room for variety. People can look totally different and still be beautiful, we are not clones for christ's sake. Ironically I have always been drawn to the idols that were considered "ugly" because they captured my eye amongst all the polished uniformity that is going on in Kpop. Like RM and J-Hope are the hottest guys on earth imo and boy have they been given shit for their looks.

[@truthsays3282]

@@Frau_Zett actually I've stanned them because I've seen they're goofy personality in american shows I'm watching. I've stanned their personalities first and when I checked their music out that's it I've eventually signed up into this mess of stanning them. 😄 Edit: I've read my reply and its weird so I'm adding this for clarification *I mean/referring to the korean celeb/idols that I'm following.*

[@sunie7650]

As a korean girl, this episode shocked me in the opposite way. Commenting on a kid’s body/face and what they should “improve” on is so normalized here. Ive been told to get a nose job right after graduating high school and lipo in my thighs (im 163cm and 55kg btw) for my whole life.

[@pangkoulee7648]

You don't need that. You're beautiful the way you are.

[@helz0297]

One thing I remember when going to Korea is seeing all the plastic surgery advertisement in the subway. Literally never seen that anywhere else.

[@wenawena709]

Penelope's Ms.Universe Q&A winning answer on Beauty: "Beauty is just a mindset." XD

[@arinanamjin2622]

If Peniel look like Buzz Light year, he’d be the most handsome cast ever ngl

[@claudiankuah]

When Peniel was talking about his hair length back in the days I wished "oh I want to see it too" And there it was Thanks Diane Thanks Dive😹❤ Thanks for giving us great contents If it wasn't for you I wouldn't have known I'd be interested in podcasts But here I am And I'm loving it

[@bangtansugakookies1550]

My fav trio. Stay healthy and keep smiling! 😊

[@angelmontefalco6282]

BangtanSugaKookies Same 🥺🥺 I love them.

[@winiiii_]

no body: peniel: has long arms and square chin BM: thats good for boxing

[@landy9345]

I like Peniel's mindset. He's so chill and I love that. 😂

[@shxna]

Since the beginning of the podcasts, I've come to the conclusion, PENIEL IS AWESOME. PROTECT AT ALL COSTS.

[@nezinabel4291]

a suggestion : next time is it possible for them to address the issue about sasaeng fans? I think it's been really bad (especially mentally) for idols and I really want to know what they think of this

[@that_sam_94]

i'M SO GLAD PENIEL DIDNT GET RID OF HIS SQUARE CHIN, I LOVE HIS CHIN

[@Katara0403]

Ngl, when he said the company wanted him to change it, it low-key made me feel bad because I also have a dimpled chin. It's not super deep but I sometimes feel self conscious of it. But I'm glad he also kept it. It fits his face.

[@redblack7718]

It's not just in korea. There some Asian countries have crazy beauty standards.

[@Okayme8080]

In Philippines most of the people here are addicted in whitening products

[@redblack7718]

In some Asian countries if you have scar you are considered as ugly.

[@KatK18]

And yet Europe and US get the most beef for being judgemental and discriminatory😅

[@RaySimmonz]

To be honest guys, I am an Asian too and it's true but I mean even west have their toxic standards too like big hips, boobs and tans.. The difference is they have discussions about the side effects of it all, we don't talk enough but we are now

[@chiiix33]

@@RaySimmonz Big hips, big boobs and tans aren't "toxic standards". I think it's problematic to say that because no one had a problem when the only standard in the west was skinny, white, and blonde. But now that whiter/paler/flatter girls don't fit that standard (and other girls do), it's "toxic". It's so fake and dishonest.

[@Dianadc73]

I used to live for it’s okay not to be okay, now I live for this podcast

[@kpopidolsownmyass8477]

i thought i was the only one who has grown a lot more insecure since getting into k-pop, reading all these other comments reassured me i'm not the only one lmao. esp about things i didn't even notice before like having more body hair than a conventional k-pop idol does. i have always struggled with my weight too and because all of them strive to weigh under 50 kgs and have all these crazy diets, i've felt like i should too and that i wasn't beautiful or valid because i weighed over that limit. yikes.

[@marisleong8725]

okay but thank you for talking about this, so many people try to ft into those standards and it affects their health so much

[@sarahp2103]

Diane's laugh brings me so much joy, I love her. Lowkey wish she would get her own podcast show one of these days

[@yestyongday]

When I first visited Korea, I kind of felt insecure, I literally didn't buy any clothes while I was there coz' everything was size xs, there were a lot of beauty products being sold, big bilboards and screen telling you how you should look like. It was also usual to see someone fresh from plastic surgery. I remember thinking I'll never live there, I'll only visit for vacation but not to live permanently. My mental health is not strong enough for their standards. It must be exhausting to always try and be on trend there, not to mention expensive

[@slalomie]

I’ve read stories about idols talking about the pressure to live up to crazy beauty standards set by the industry, but this is nuts. Hearing Ashely and Peniel flat out say their agencies criticized their looks to the point of encouraging them to get risky plastic surgery is disgusting. Shaving down your face is not a minor procedure. And criticizing how your neck or knees look... what the hell is wrong with these agencies 😤 These trainees are young impressionable kids having to deal with all this unnecessary criticism and pressure to be perfect just to fulfill their dreams. I’m glad Ashley and Peniel had enough strength and courage to stand up for themselves and say no.

[@khwan3497]

And if they did get them done they would be criticized by ppl that they aren’t natural beauty

[@me9981]

Did you ever wonder why most of the trainees are always REALLY young? That's because they are young and impressionable and people in companies can literally mold them however they want to - phisically and mentaly.

[@slalomie]

me Yes it’s sad that entertainment industries take advantage of young aspiring talent. Also, Pop & K Pop is primarily marketed to and consumed by a young audience - teenagers and young adults. These labels want young stars so they appeal to their demographic. The lifespan of Pop stars or entertainers in general is sadly short lived.

[@me9981]

@@slalomie exactly 👌

[@themastermind5638]

@@slalomie yep that's the reason why as a group gets older, they are almost quickly forgotten about and replaced with new groups, with young members.

[@janejenniejenn]

personally I really like this topic. the "beauty standard" is so toxic and tiring no one can fulfill it because it is just the matter of everyone personal reference. Peniel said it right "beauty is personal preference. beauty's is mindset" ITS TRUE SAY IT LOUDER

[@MusicIslife-nn9gn]

Peniel’s soft voice makes his comments extra funny😂😂😂

[@brittanyhuynh2143]

28:08 I lost it when BM said “that’s messed up bro” 😭😭💀

[@VanTran-vu2lm]

Me staring at my Achilles heel in confusion

[@izyaghaz]

Same XD

[@dy4nrl]

I love how Peniel conclude their talks like "beauty is happiness" , he's so random but his word are great though.

[@thecreepyhalloweenmaster3941]

Even as a girl I relate so much to Peniel, I have never cared or even cared if anyone else cared as well. I don't consider myself ugly but I have never put any of my value into my looks. I think that saved me a lot of pain, to be honest

[@kerryholland4822]

Your goals, sis

[@strawberrypocky179]

Peniel in sweatpants=boyfriend material

[@tayowo7770]

PERIODT 😂✌️

[@nadie-qm8rq]

Korean beauty standards are insane, I feel bad when idols get uncomfortable under cameras just because they're not wearing make up For me the important thing is people to be clean and smell good, and have like a good style, showing that you take care of yourself and your appearance is enough for me, like you don't have to be handsome, you can be attractive if you are clean and have a sense of style (which doesn't require expensive clothes)

[@preetik4322]

I enjoyed this podcast.... "You do you" Peniel said it right beauty is just mindset Beauty is what makes you comfortable.

[@daianacampbell2221]

I started watching podcasts for Matthew and ended up loving Peniel and Ashley. I love their personalities and how they complement each other. Matthew is sincere but without hurting others, he says what he thinks without caring about being judged, I discovered that he is a big boy with a sweet personality and that he can fall madly in love with someone. He prefers a person who follows his own style over someone who follows appearances (like Peniel) he is the type of person who tries to integrate and make everyone feel comfortable and is somewhat shy but when he comes into confidence he is super joker. And what I love is that he is a great person who tries to help EVERYONE. Peniel is the best friend that every woman wants, he is great to tell her your secrets because he knows how to keep them, he is very nice, he tries to follow his own rules and he does not care about the appearance of others, for him personality is more important. It is very sincere. He is a person who would ask you for advice. I always discover new things about him and I like them more. He is the type of person who would help a stranger and if someone had a bad day, they would come to make you smile. He seems to have a calm personality but he always radiates joy to those around him and does not like to tell his problems to others and prefers to be in a good mood. Ashley is the sweet girl who likes to make everyone feel comfortable, she would be the cutest little sister. She is very respectful and tries to see the positive in people, she is faithful. she takes care of her friends. And it would be great to do girls' night with her. She’s a beautiful girl, but she doesn’t flaunt it. She’s the shy girl who loves her friends and seems to always try to be with her friends when they need her. She doesn’t know how great she is. I hope no one turns off the smile she has and don’t forget that she’s perfect just the way she is, she doesn’t need to adjust to what others think. The three of them have different but similar personalities at the same time, I love that they seem not to be influenced by being famous. It seems that being famous does not make them think that others are better, they are humble boys with whom you could sit and talk without noticing that they are idols. I hope you don't change, guys. I love your podcasts, your advice and knowing more about your way of thinking that makes me realize that you and I are no different. I think you are the perfect friends because you are not interested in the race, religion, country or appearance of other people, the only important thing is personality and that is great because there are more people like you in the world.

[@yahikospain446]

I'm completely to opposite of the Korean Beauty standards. I don't have good skin, I have bad acne and not just on my face. I have scars on my face. I don't really have straight teeth and I'm no skinny. I don't really like skinny clothes and rather wear sweatpants and sports clothes. But I don't have a problem with that at all. That's who I am and I like myself that way.

[@Naberehe]

I stopped watching my Telenovela for this. Love these three.

[@NoName-uy8fv]

Why did I think that they meant a lego block instead of the LEGO people when Peniel talked about him looking like a lego😆

[@mehkarma4232]

Damn, she brought out the Xanga reference. Kids no nothing about that.

[@DeeRafatSweileh]

Confidence and smiles really truly add to someone's external beauty. And like you guys said, if you are comfortable and accepting of who you are and how you look, it shooooows 🥺 and seeing people being unapologetically who they are is soooo attractive and beautiful to me.

[@muzikk67]

Can you talk about how being an idol might have changed the things you do for fun? Like is listening to music now boring since you have to listen to so much of it for work? And has the lack of privacy as an idol also affected what you do for fun? Like public parks? Are things like shopping done primarily online or in person?

[@itzsally2047]

Wow!! I wonder if the people who pointed out the beauty of others are even actually that pretty?? You guys are BEAUTIFUL!!

[@hardfacts1413]

Ashley is so down earth. I love her so much 💕

[@wenawena709]

BM and Peniel: "True, True!" or "Yeah, yeah, YeH!"

[@shutup-gc2yk]

Beauty is more than just beauty. - Choi, Ashley (2021).

[@EM-rj6hw]

So glad I found this series of podcasts! I really like the three speakers' honesty and friendship as they talk candidly about their US and Korean experiences. I'm glad that their years as regular folks in the US helps them stay grounded in the Korean entertainment industry. I wish them all well.

[@Ranee192]

I've only gone on two long holidays to Korea and even during that short time I noticed everyone following the same trend. And even as a tourist, I felt the pressure to look good which is insane. I normally don't even wear make up on a daily basis but in Seoul, I somehow felt like I had to. And the pressure for girls to be a size S shocked me

[@popcolgate9490]

I would say the beauty standards in Korea is ridiculous. It really makes you feel insecure. When a celebrity weight more than 50kg, it's embarassing for them. It's different than western entertainment industry, where celebrities try to be fit not skinny.

[@liveinsoco2504]

When peuni explained why he called like a lego, it reminds me on ilhoon's drawing in hadabang. He drew peuni with big square shoulder🤣

[@adonisdennisejean8648]

OMG THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO HAHAHHAHAHA NOW I CANT STOP LAUGHING

[@esreverTA]

beauty standards are constructed by the society, and sometimes it can be explained looking at the history of different cultures. I really believe we are so exposed to people that are labelled as "beautiful" that it becomes inherently true (im generalizing but yall get what I'm saying. I ain't good in english)

[@sheymag9142]

I love how Diana is laughing in the background😂😂 It makes it feel so much more homey and chill. Her laugh is also very contagious. Thank you for this great episode guys😊

[@MarineHHJ]

My new habit is to watch the episodes before I go to sleep (and yes I do watch all podcasts from the dive studios, I think I’m addicted). It’s like 3:30 am right now and I just finished studying l, now I feel like I can watch the episodes without feeling guilty😂

[@frangconna3265]

I never knew that I need this trio in my life. I love how balance they’re taking turn to speak and everyone are religiously listen to each others. Preach

[@kqgvo2893]

When I think of beauty the first thing i think about aren't looks, I think of people's personality because you can be good looking and have a horrible personality (expl:homophobic ppl, manipulative ppl, rude/disrespectful ppl ect. And that's very hideous and disgusting) so the way I look at it is if someone who is "dirty or unattractive or weird looking" is a good person, has a great personality just the way they carry themselfs, that's what I consider beautiful or having beauty because it's something that is precious and has value

[@nehalilisays]

I would say there are 2 kinds of beauty standards: A) universal ones like symmetry, balanced features and healthy skin B) culture-specific ones that are about the shape, color and size of specific features

[@tokkiichive]

diane laughing is the best part of each episode of any podcast 😭😭💕💕

[@lesliecardenas8950]

I absofreakinglutely love that y’all are talking about this topic because so many people (me included) get so caught up on being perfect when perfect is soooo unrealistic

[@eileencita]

"Be happy with what you've got. That's beauty".

[@destinyeb2498]

The more I delved in to the KPOP world and started to watch K-dramas as well, I started to realize how insanely toxic the beauty standards are in Korea. But don't get me wrong, there are toxic beauty standards everywhere, but Korea is on a whole 'nother level. I remember watching a korean show and a woman was talking about how she wanted her baby to be 'lightskin' because she herself as a Korean woman has "dark skin????" and as woman who literally is considered dark skin, it annoyed me so much because that type of thinking was completely colorist. I'm still shook she was so confident saying that

[@phionahmawili4405]

In Africa specifically Kenya everyone dresses according to their taste. I love how expressive the hosts are.

[@BoopsNstuff]

Korean beauty standards can really effect mental health and self worth. I appreciate you fellow Asian Americans!

[@abril6392]

I would love to hear Ashley discussing these topics with other women, because it's true that even though as foreigners and people working in media they have similar experiences the gender difference also plays a big factor in beauty standards.

[@chaekyung6044]

This "GET REAL" is so much lovely. I mean, you can learn a lot and enlightened from their experiences! And I am so in interested with it these days! KEEP FIGHTING GUYS❣️❣️❣️

[@tracylabordo6121]

Other than "happy", 'unique' and 'appreciation' /'appreciating' are the words best (kind of) describes 'beauty'

[@taytookes]

omg you guys should do an episode on mental health in the industry and idols secretly dating

[@DeeRafatSweileh]

Taylor Swift once wrote in a song, "Handsome, you're a mansion with a view." It's one of my favorite lines by her. Mansions are known for their breathtaking interior, from furniture to decor to fabrics to paintings to architecture. Not only that, the person she's describing has a breathtaking interior AND has a gorgeous view. Beautiful inside and out. And I just thought of it now when BM what's talking about beautiful inside and out. For me, someone's external appearance doesn't go far. Like, yeah she's a beautiful woman or he's a handosme man, but that's it. It's just that. But when I get to know that person well, that's when I'm truly either blown away by them or I'm running away from them 😂😂 I think we all have those people in our lives that have the most beautiful personalities and are charming and charismatic and kind and loving, but aren't the most visually striking, you know? I truly believe what's on the inside matters 10x more. Because what will a beautiful face be of use if you have an ugly hateful heart?

[@Lovmyself]

Wow I know she's supposed to be songwriter extraordinaire, that's a great example then. Another thing about a mansion is that it has so many more rooms (facets) than most houses.

[@DeeRafatSweileh]

@@Lovmyself this doesn't even scratch the surface, her latest sister albums folklore and evermore are a huge testome to it Oh wow I haven't even thought of that.. You're right!

[@JuanJuan-dp3iy]

I nedd yo see them talking about the lgbt subject, because Korea is really closedminded about that but i think these idols would have a positive opinion

[@ElliStar92]

I would love to know 3 things, 1: What happens/reaction when Kpop artists meets other artists or their own Idols from the industry? 2: How the process of doing collaborations with other artists and the biggest fear of something going wrong during the collaboration. 3: What is your dream collaboration/collaborations dead or alive? It can be ANY artist, dose not have to be a Kpop artist

[@체스카입니다]

I think.. beauty comes with being confident.. 👀 I mean... I don't feel beautiful or pretty.. because I know that I don't have the confidence. Even if others says" you're really pretty".. but in my mind im like.. i think not cause.. im not cofident with myself.. 🥺 that's my point of view on beauty.. (trying to be confident though.. its a long process i know.. but.. hopefully...i can gain confidence.. 👀)

[@shelby3755]

You definitely will! It takes time but as you keep improving yourself and focus on loving others unconditionally, being of service to others and focus on your dreams and ambitions you’ll definitely grow to become the beauty you want to be 💕🌸✨

[@pheonixalier]

it's funny because i'm a uni student and all of my friends has good fashion sense, some spend hours in the morning putting makeup and getting ready. I don't get it but I accept it. And I'm the lazy person who randomly puts loose short sleeves and knee long shorts on the top of the pile three minutes before going to school with a bare face. I've been told by others about the way I dress but I'm totally okay with how I dress. But I like to think I own the way I dress (and look) :) So i totally agree, beauty is a mindset.

[@webmasterd]

kpop fans usually act high and mighty when it comes to looks. they might comment how they dislike body shaming but they do it all the time to idols. I would see some girls say how some male idols are too skinny or feminine. But same time they will say they don't like guys who "do steroids" like Wonho or someone of bulkier/muscular physique. A perfect example of how we all have our preference or idea what is attractive or beautiful to us... but there's no reason to use such degrading words to make your point.

[@Niki2k-br]

That's a really cool and important conversation, I think more people should hear it! You know the damn beauty standards and stereotypes. How important is respecting other people preferences, it's like being authentic and you know happiness, healthiness,and not caring so much about what people think about you "The only person that's me it's me, and the only person that's you it's you so" agree with you Ashley

[@rustyd3817]

They really be talking for hours and choppin it 45 min at a time

[@aprialla5922]

i noticed that too 😂 i wonder how many episodes they do for a day...3 episodes?

[@sheFEISTY.43110]

Peniel: "but on TV show your going to look like Buzz Lightyear." 🤣🤣🤣 Me: "but hey. I like Buzz."