Women Wearing Pants? One Flaw of the Oneness Pentecostal Church

In this video, we look at the dogma of the Oneness Pentecostal/Holiness church that teaches women are not to wear pants or anything that splits the leg (excluding nylons) and they call it sin - that a women wearing pants cannot enter heaven. It's immodest they say...
Our original written article that digs into determining what the words and the true meaning of Deuteronomy 22:5 can be found here: goo.gl/rVworf
The written version of this video is here: goo.gl/jQQQ7R
You can find an older paperback copy of the book we mention, Bobbed Hair, Bossy Wives and Women Preachers here: goo.gl/g7KYZ3

[@inchworm2402]

Scots and Irish wore kilts. I don't think the Scots and Irish would appreciate being called effeminate.

[@ericallensr3435]

Just because heathen nations do certain things or have certain customs does not mean God approves. Strangely, Irish men also wear pants regularly and women do wear dresses. Ask yourselves a question, why is it considered abnormal when men wear dresses etc.(trans) and women "seem" to get away with wearing both? To your point, the prophet of God through God's moving stated, "...the customs of the people are VAIN" and to "LEARN not the way of the HEATHEN". What God endeavours to teach us and reveal to his people are different, seperate and distinct from the fashion of the "old man" and the world!

[@AnarchoPunkChad]

​@@ericallensr3435 Incredible how none of that supports the idea that dresses (post Biblical garment) are somehow the correct answer. Wear a robe.

[@ianmcdonald8648]

kilts were worn without undegarrments - loin cloths.

[@EmmyRae1885]

Thank you for the content you put out, it's great to hear a reasonable voice talking about topics that I've only ever heard preached very negatively about. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge about the Bible and the historical bases of "holiness standards"

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Thank you for stopping by and commenting!

[@rhondaalmeida6104]

I was forced to wear skirts every day of my life. Has a child growing up in the UPCI and it caused me a lot of heartache and bullying in school. And when I would cry to my mom she would say well. We are a peculiar people. That means we're strange and always would throw that at me. And along with a bunch of other scriptures and the word peculiar actually means purchased. As I got older I checked it out myself. And anyways we went to the YMCA one time and with some other church people and they all made us wear jean skirts and t-shirts jumping off the diving board and I remember everybody looking at us. Weird. Eventually when I was in my 30s. I started to research this on my own. I never agreed with it but I always felt like what if I was wrong and I thought I was pleasing God and I didn't want to go to hell and I did discover that it's so untrue. And they always say pants were made for man first so it belongs to men. But that doesn't hold any truth to it because if that's the case then why do Pentecostal women wear tennis shoes? Tennis shoes were created for men first, right? And what about underwear? Who was underwear created for first? Aren't they fashioned after something? So it's all just ridiculous and I'm really happy that you made this video so I can share it with people. I could go on and on about standards

[@TinaSelftalk]

Thank you !!

[@JS-mc3nl]

As a Christian woman, I look to the New Testament scriptures regarding holiness and modesty. After I was baptized and received the Holy Spirit, I continued to wear the same clothing as before. But as I grew in the Lord and began to pray and ask Him how I should dress and conduct myself, I felt strong conviction to stop wearing pants because they were very tight and revealing. The opposite of modest. I have seen and known people who are part of the Pentecostal denomination who are instructed to wear certain style of clothing, i.e. long skirts/dresses, no short sleeves, etc. I don’t agree with being instructed by man. I only listen to God and do what I feel He leads me to do. Denominations are unbiblical. Many disagree with that. But the word itself means to divide. And that is the opposite of the scriptural teaching of unity. God bless.

[@deeskers1]

J S: I totally agree with you. I've been a born-again Christian for many years now and, as a woman, I dressed in my regular clothes for many years (jeans outside of church, dresses or modest skirts when attending church). But the Holy Spirit began gently showing me these things, as well. I now wear skirts outside of church quite often. I can't say I do it all the time, but I have noticed when I do* dress as a modest woman, men are much more respectful to me out in the world (i.e. opening doors for me and calling me "Ma'am"-which is quite fine with me as I am not as young as I used to be!). Also, whenever I come across a picture of a man in a skirt or dress, whether it's meant as a 'joke' or otherwise, I draw back in revulsion and I wonder if that's how God feels about me when I wear pants. Now, I don't pin up my hair and I wear light, tasteful makeup and a modest jewelry. I heard a Pastor say, as long as the world can tell you are woman, you are good. In other words, ask yourself, "Is it modest?" and "Is it feminine?". His point was: pants are okay for women as long as they are modest and distinguished from men's pants. I tend to agree with that. Moderation in all things. :)

[@girlinthesouth850]

Me, too!!

[@angelarichards5726]

I love the way u worded this cause I have been asking why my whole life and I was raised Pentecostal and I am now working on getting into holiness again due to back sliding

[@amberjanesmith6771]

I disagree I wear pants and many cultures women wear pants

[@JS-mc3nl]

@@amberjanesmith6771 what do you disagree with?

[@patriciahein2867]

The plan of salvation is what matters as described in Acts 2. After that we are to work out our life with fear and trembling. I live my life this way.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

@Patricia Jesus Christ is the Plan of Salvation. Not a verse, not a book, not a passage, or a reference, or works, rituals, plans, phrases or behaviors. Righteousness comes from God, as a free Gift (Ephesians 2) Rom 4:7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; Rom 4:8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.” Rom 4:9 Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. Rom 4:10 How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised. Rom 4:11 He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well,

[@benmollitor3776]

I've met people from the upc church and they were the most judgemental people I've ever met ..

[@amberjanesmith6771]

Yes we have to read the Bible for ourselves and ignore doctrines of men .

[@genevabaird3882]

Not sure what the actual problem is with women looking like women, when you have a problem listening to what the scriptures say perhaps you may need to check you spiritual discernment... there’s power in holiness standards and not looking like the rest of the world ... submission is in the New Testament not the old ... conviction for what we do is more important than a dress code ... listening to the Holy Spirit a not being offended is the way to submit to the spirit...

[@genevabaird3882]

Maybe people would just rather do as they please, perhaps a spirit of rebellion.... in this fallen world it’s more important now than ever to be obedient to Christ... we are new creations in him that’s us... all of us Christianity has a bad rap because people aren’t following through , we aren’t supposed to continue sinning once we are reborn... romans.. remember ? Relationship with Jesus is the most important thing not matter what

[@TinaSelftalk]

You can look very feminine with pants or a romper . We gotta learn that a lot things taught , was based on ignorance. It’s called evolving . Please listen to him with intent. The word says be modest and don’t dress like a man ( think about that era) ? Men didn’t even wear pants …. There was cross dressing even in Moses times .

[@Jessica-kf1ck]

You have such a kind spirit. Thank you for taking time to make this video. I am a UPC woman who is involved in our women's group and I have had 3 women make comments about my wardrobe. I wear modest loose fitting jeans and pants. I also wear scrubs to work. They love me and it hurts that they believe I am not fully spiritual for wearing pants and light makeup. I love the worship at my church, but sometimes I feel like I don't belong.

[@calandrat3697]

I totally understand how you feel. I am a born again believer filled with the Holy Ghost..By all means I'm not against any one that feels that conviction...I respect that for whomever, my conviction is not there...My Mother has worn skirts all her life since she gave her life to Christ...We are reminded how to walk with God he' will do the work in us... He is a teacher, God has taught me something to wear longer because he has convicted me... I wear pants so as not to draw attention and loose fitting...Be Bless my Sister..

[@calandrat3697]

So many typos God has taught me what to wear and what not to wear .. How to present myself for him and how to present myself in this world...

[@maryhelencampos9964]

You be surprised how many women wear pajama pants ...

[@nonyabidness5708]

As someone who was born and raised in the UPC, I urge you to find another organization. You're only seeing the very tip of the iceberg with their false doctrine and toxic culture. I have many people I love who are still in it, but I wasted many years trying to believe and reason through their culture and doctrine and I wish I could get those back.

[@enjoylife8334]

Best teaching on holiness I've ever heard!☺ yay

[@michelleelmer8911]

Excellent Video. The sad thing about the women in these churches they raise their daughters up to have a haughty spirit. I was raised in this cult and finally got out at 22. I did not realize until much later what a haughty spirit I had, had towards others. So sad. I feel as though it’s abuse to make these children conform to these teachings.

[@catladycatlady7359]

I just heard an elderly lady in my ifb church tell a boy that he had to tuck in his shirt because he looked like a girl with it untucked. 🙄

[@ericallensr3435]

@@catladycatlady7359 He may not look like a girl but as man, I made sure my boys left the house looking neat shirts tucked in and no sagging pants. What they did when they got outside the house I had to leave that in God's hand. Grace teaching Spirit led children to both obey and honor their parents and be humble and consider what another Christian might be conveying to them whether they agree with them or not!

[@patriciahein2867]

Essentially if a person looks at me they should be able to tell that I am female,. If they cannot I am in error.

[@amberjanesmith6771]

Yes like don't crossdress

[@esty6374]

I’m pretty sure God cares about modesty

[@esty6374]

So I guess u can wear a super revealing outfit

[@sylvialeads555]

Right, so culture changes their definition of high heels, lace, etc. are now for woman. I love to wear dresses and I was raised catholic at the time. We are responsible for our own salvation.

[@kimpowell9433]

Thank you for posting this video

[@gcjpcrowder]

Oh my goodness, I'm so glad you brought up john rice. You have quite a point. I think using these guy's own words are the best sources of light.

[@lpearson3111]

As a military family, we had many UPC Pastors. I questioned everyone of them on the issue of pants because although we went to UPC churches and lived what they taught, we never really believed the issue of women and pants. So I asked "IF a UPC woman and a PAW woman prayed, fasted, lived right, etc. died and faced God, would God allow UPC into heaven because she wore skirts and threw PAW into hell because she wore pants?" The question caught them off guard and all said yep thats right except for one who said, it depends on what's in their hearts. God came for what we look like on the inside, not for what we look like on the outside. So thankful for deliverance from that nonsense!

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

I'm thrilled to hear of your deliverance. I agree that the Holiness movement has turned dress into 'nonesense'. I know some ex, and non Pentecostals that feel for themselves that it's best to wear dresses, and insomuch that it is a personal conviction, I can applaud it. To make it a heaven/hell issue is absolutely silly and I fear those churches have become more of a damage to faith than they are doing good. Thanks for stopping by!

[@kenj4711]

Your confused, you are lacking true biblical doctrine. When a person is born again it is a complete transformation . Mind, body and soul.

[@joelrionstaves4684]

But they'll wear pajama pants at home and wear leggings and nickers w/ a skirt over them at the gym.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

It's all hypocrisy and misinterpretation of the Scriptures.

[@trinigarza4303]

Why are you staring through their windows?!!!

[@trinigarza4303]

The latter is called decency. You hopefully wear undergarments!!!

[@joelrionstaves4684]

Whoops. I meant to say “leggings”not “nickers.” Leggings, are stretch pants, even with a skirt over them.

[@Smokeyedits209]

Very refreshing to hear you go into the depth of the truth and bringing it to the surface !! I appreciate you for taking the time to do this for us ! 👍💚 God bless you brother

[@grannygear1001]

I was told while visiting my hubby’s church, (Independent Baptist) that my skirt was not long enough. It was about 6” below my knees, half way between my knees and ankles. I got snarky and told the lady that next time I would wear pants and then walked away quickly least I embarrass myself more. After being in a legalistic church for 15 years I walked out and rarely visited a church. I have a keen ability to sniff out authoritarians.

[@dixiegrljess83]

This is The best video I’ve seen on this subject yet! God Bless you sir!!

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Glad it was helpful!

[@leatharay3565]

I would be more concerned about the music in these churches. Hillsong.. Rap music. etc

[@DariusLong]

I'm really glad that I came across this video. I was raised UPC, and I always thought the holiness standards were toxic. My mom and sister still wear the long skirts, but I'm growing a beard for thr first time and have earrings. Great post!

[@ortenciahill5848]

The Word and Spirit are life. The heart is deceiving above all! Feelings can be miss leading so prayers and bible seeking are key to The LORD. Be ware of the prince of the air.

[@nonyabidness5708]

As a female raised in the UPC, I can 1000% confirm the unbiblical, man-made, fear based control tactics that underpin the "standards " ARE toxic.

[@sandrasanders706]

I was in a restaurant with a friend of mine about a couple of years back and I saw a video on the table and I learned it was from a man who was ordering coffee and asked him about it I found out he was Apostolic I began to ask him about his church..and rules for dress..i just wanted to hear what he said.. he began to go on and on about women wearing pants and all of this and he was trying to get us to agree with him..which we didnt...and we just totally refuse to argue and we left. I even tried to explain it the way you were explaining it in your video about the difference of men and women's clothing but he wouldn't hear of any of it. Then we had to go back and there were more apostolics it was almost like he called them just to come in and try to convert us.it was like a swarm of bees... it was very strange. One of the men asked us what we were we said we are Christians and we just left..we didn't even mention our denomination. it seems to me that they are very into rules a lot.. I understand modesty but don't they understand that it was men who made these extra rules, not the Lord.

[@tanyacobb3604]

I appreciate you breaking this down. Very informative! Please consider doing a video on tattoos and piercings.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Hello Tanya, Thank is very near on my to-do list. I took 45 days off videos and will resume soon.

[@lexieoverman7929]

Thank you for clearing this up in a Christlike manner and biblically.

[@gilov3]

In Saudi Arabia men wear long robes also...

[@patriciasanchez4440]

Bless you! This is the real TRUTH!

[@lapaorie4995]

I have a question. When expressing my opinions based on my studies and research on these man made standards, one I seem to hear often to prove the women wearing skirts is- "It all boils down to separation of the sexes". I was once asked to draw and question the boys and girls restroom signs. The girls room having a girl in a dress and a man in pants. As if this proved their reasoning? It seems this is always their argument. I would love to hear your comments on this. I only ask because it seems as though some act as if they've defeated me in my opinions when bringing this up. Another I hear is that you have a uniform at work, and that your employer expects you to dress a specific way to represent the company. My church says this also applies to the church. That many will wear their work uniform with not a word said, yet when it comes to being distinctively separate by not wearing pants, it turns into an issue of disobedience. While I attend a UPC church, I do not in any form agree with these standards. My spirituality is questioned because I don't fall in line with the "look" of the "teachings". It's truly disheartening that being taken serious as a christian seems to be based solely off your outward appearance.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Hi There, I'm sorry that your comment got put into the spam box and so I am just now seeing it. Please forgive me. That is one of the oldest, and lamest arguments in the history of the Oneness/Holiness movement. Why? Because as expressed in this video, CULTURE is who and what decided that it was normal for a woman to be dressed in skirts/dresses. It was the local CULTURE that designed those symbols based on what was normative in those days. I always find it intriguing that the Oneness/Holiness movement looks to culture to 'prove' their ways, while at the same time say, "Just because culture has changed doesn't mean we should." Even David K. Bernard recognized that if you look at another culture, such as Scotland, if they think it's cool for a man to wear a kilt, then it isn't feminine to do so. Then he goes on to say we can't let culture dictate our dress. It's an incredibly ludicrous double standard and a failing stance to take. Culture alone decided when (16th-17th century) that a man wore britches. And culture alone has changed again to include women with that dress. And you know what? Culture will change again. The important thing is modesty, which is also culturally bound. To some peoples, the exposing of a woman's breasts has nothing to do with sexuality and wouldn't be thought twice about. In other cultures, it's highly sexualized and thus, exposing them is an immodest and sexual act. And, sadly, you are correct. The Oneness/Holiness movement places your spiritual success solely in whether or not you line up to their ridiculous dress standards. Oh, some of them will try to be kind and lie and say, "It's a personal conviction", but it absolutely is not. Ask those people, "Could I wear pants and makeup and sing in your choir? Could I teach Bible Study? Could I lead Sunday School?" They will say no. For your sake, I hope you find your way to a grace-filled church that doesn't place their self-worth in how one dresses and instead focuses on being just like Christ. Ask yourself this question as you read the Gospels, "When did Jesus talk about dress standards?" "Imitate me as I imitate Christ." - 1 Corinthians 11:1

[@gcjpcrowder]

I have this same scenario in my baptist church. Best thing i can see is to comply with their demands. If they dont want that behavior in their church or ministeting, I should not should not be in it. I would be doing us both a favor! I have a spouse who does not want to leave. It is making the situation difficult.

[@catladycatlady7359]

@@gcjpcrowder were you ever able to leave the church? Was it an independent fundamental Baptist Church By any chance?

[@gcjpcrowder]

@@catladycatlady7359 yes it was IFB. I did leave, but my son is still there.

[@catladycatlady7359]

@@gcjpcrowder glad you were able to get out of it. Sorry all of your family could not. Any connections to Hyles or FBC of Hammond by any chance?

[@catladycatlady7359]

IFB here. This 'dress code' is definitely preached, often, from the pulpit & any naysayers against it are told they are against God and against Godly standards. 😢

[@toucheturtle8815]

To further prove this gentleman's point, look at *ANY* picture of the average (non-religious) American woman around the turn of the 20th century and see what they wore. Their dresses were all the way up to the neck, sleeve length was all the way down to the hand, and the length of the dress was completely down to the ground, completely covering their shoes. To prove that this gentleman is correct, and that UPC "modesty" is cultural (not biblical), if you compare a UPC woman's dress today, with what I just described for the normal (non-religious) American woman, they would be completely IMMODEST by early 20th century standards! For women to bare their entire leg, from the knee to the foot, 100 years ago would have been entirely inappropriate and risque! Non-religious American women also had extremely long hair that was piled on top of their head, 100 years ago. Also based on the culture of the day, not Biblical standards. They also wore extremely large brimmed hats. Many of these cultural standards have since disappeared with time. The New Testament clearly says that your inward spirit means so much more to God than your outward display of religion. The Book of James gives us the definition of religion. I was a part of the UPC for over 30 years, and I have found that many women spent more hours worrying about their outward fashion, and dressing themselves in the finest clothing, with hours of hair primping, and adorning themselves, than would ever spend in prayer for the very church services that they were attending! The more important the meeting, the more important the outfit, (for both men and women), in the UPCI. Especially, if Pentecostals were attending General Conference! Then people would really spend the big bucks on their outfits, in order to impress complete strangers from around the UPC! Many Pentecostal women are involved in all kinds of wrong attitudes, and behaviors, (gossip, slander, unsubmissive, busybodies, affairs, divorce) while maintaining long hair, and skirts. Utter hypocrisy! God is not fooled! I've also heard many anecdotal stories of pastors sending women home because their skirt length was too short. Did they have a skirt on? Yes! But, then the pastor goes the next step, and says that the skirt was too short, and too provocative! Which is it? Sounds like the spirit of the Pharisees to me?

[@Gloria_All_Day]

Thank you for your video, very informative.

[@lannyfartski3836]

Excellent video, Ralph! You share Biblical and historical facts, something the UPCI has refused to do. I find it sad that so many will not look at the Bible outside of their UPCI box... and I was the same for decades. Once I finally accepted the fact that God's grace and love are central to our relationship with Him, my mind was opened to see that the UPCI is a performance based, dogmatic, unloving and very sick organization. I have so many stories of what we saw over the years. These same stories shouted "CORUPT" in my face, but I was so blindly loyal I refused to investigate. Those who did were told to leave and never come back. The UPCI is full of control freaks who manipulate the Scriptures to say what they want, manipulate the people to fear them and do everything they can to keep the people on a short leash. We felt like we were contantly dangling between Heaven and Hell, depending on how perfect we could act and look or how we messed up each day. There was no peace there, no love, no real compassion or empathy. Am I bitter? Nope. I'm free! I'm happy!! I love Jesus and He loves me! I love people and for the first time in years, I can be myself and enjoy life without fear.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Lanny, this has to be one of the most heartfelt comments I've received in some time. This deserves a few hearts up. Not because you agree with me - I don't do this for agreement - I do it to share the truth that Grace isn't something you can measure up to and you've had that Grace Awakening! My old church is pastored by men who have violated the law, have been sued and settled, have harbored people in church purposefully violating restraining orders, control peoples lives, turn children against their parents, and yet people blindly follow those men. The only way out of that type of system is by having that awakening, that the Faith you have, you must have it between yourself and God (Romans 14:22) not through some legislated, legalistic system of behavior control. Paul said, Imitate ME as I Imitate Christ - he did NOT say Obey Me No Matter What I Do. Blessings to you going forward Lanny. Thank you for watching.

[@lannyfartski3836]

Thank you so much. I meant every word of it. Keep up the good work. You are making a difference in many lives.

[@travmasterflasher2658]

I definitely believe in the oneness of GOD & also agree with your teaching on this subject

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Thank you for stopping by and commenting!

[@wykkydtruth]

Your example of the medieval effeminate "man" wasn't a good example. Men are not to be effeminate, regardless of what was in fashion. Just as you argued modesty, what is expensive? What is expensive for you may not be for me. And for someone else their expensive may be way out of my ball park.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Wykkyd, The example exemplifies exactly what you just said. If CULTURE deems it normal and manly for a man to wear lace and frills at his neck line, then there is nothing effeminate about it. It is when a man attempts to take on the characteristics and behaviors of a woman that he becomes 'effeminate. Thank you for commenting on my videos, I'm glad you are here and hope you keep commenting.

[@ortenciahill5848]

Warrior and garments are two different things. Wearing clothes is a language itself. In bible times clothes were worn to claim your people and culture. In the bible Hebrews were known by their clothes. You need to study properly and if you teach, teach truth. Appearance can be deceitful but it can also be telling of a disturbed individual! Uniform is worn in wars. As an American I would wear my uniform proudly among enemy! As an apostolic women I wear no makeup, no pants, uncut hair, no jewelry, and no proud look! For every one action I have a scripture to match it because His Word is my final ADORNMENT. And revealing part of my body doesn't help anyone!

[@Theooogurl]

I can't believe we harp so much on rightly dividing the word of truth but missed this one! God help us! We call it holiness but it's conformity.

[@davidbrock4104]

Holiness movement originated in the late 1800's. Many Pentecostal movements trace their lineage to the original Holiness movement, both black & white, both Oneness & Trinitarian. Singling out the UPC organization for their stand seems a bit dishonest as there are other groups that hold similar standards

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Hello David, Thanks for the comment. I don't single out the UPC/Oneness Pentecostal church, and in fact, in the video I mention that they are the product of previous Holiness movements. I talk about my experience, and what I see as false doctrine and hypocritical standards.

[@ItsAshley08]

I'm sure a lot of people will appreciate this video! You made some Really good points here! So so so good!!! Thank you thank you! I LOVED the part about when you said back when the men wore tights, ruffly shirts, pointed toed shoes, they wore their hair long and done up like you said! Look at George Washingtons hair style! ??? What? Yeah huh! The men dressed in what we'd call today womens appearal. Thanks for exposing all of the false doctrines in your videos.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Thank you Joy - I appreciate you watching and commenting. This is the cognitive dissonance of so called 'holiness' standards in Oneness Pentecostal circles - the claim society proves their standards - yet society before and now does not line up with their standards. It's an odd way of thinking. I wouldn't even care of they left it up to individual convictions but instead they create a judgment system that defines who gets into God's glory based on what covers their arms and legs. Blessings,

[@Ken-yv3tc]

My wife has a new job that requires her to wear trousers. (Correctional Officer). Otherwise, when she is off duty, she enjoys wearing her skirts and dresses. However, she has been pressured to quit her job because of the practical requirement of wearing trousers while on duty.

[@noothername6199]

Holiness = Being "FORGIVEN"of sins .... It has nothing to do with clothing.. Clothing = PRIDE, vanity and works . We are saved by GRACE through Faith not of works(standards), lest any man should boast... .nuff said

[@revslilangel]

Holiness=separation from sin

[@nancyhollis5999]

Is one being forgiven of sins not the same as being separated from sin. Did Jesus not tell the one man go and sin no more

[@darwinapala960]

AMEN!!!!

[@dana-kn5tk]

Br Bernard addresses the clean shaven face. It’s not part of the UPC standards anymore. It was added during the hippie movement to have clear separation between men of the church and the “rebellious movement” of the hippie. I have often wondered if that same logic was meant for women in pants because the Azusa St Revival happened in the early 1900s, around the same time women started rebelling for pants, but because the church has historically been lead by men, pants were never reintroduced when it “should have been” when compared the to example of the clean shaven face. However, when I asked a friend about that thought, he gave me a few other verses to back up the position of skirts. Job 38:3, Job 40:7, and a few others. I like what you say in the blog post of let scripture interpret scripture. As such, I’m still praying over these verses because I don’t want to begin wearing pants again in rebellion.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

@Dana Very late reply, my apologies - but this important topic deserves a response. The verses in question have nothing to do with men's vs. women's apparel. Most translations say "gird up thy loins", while some say, "dress for action like a man". This was meant to prepare one for battle, or a very difficult task. Most commonly, as expressed historically, a man would catch up, or tie up his long robes into the form of shorts. This would allow him to have freedom of movement and fight or work more effectively. To use this verse to again mount a defense against women wearing pants is a gross misuse of scripture. Simply google "gird up thy loins" and do an image search and you'll see a lot of examples of what this meant. Blessings,

[@dana-kn5tk]

Divide The Word Blog thank you for your response. I have been in prayer about this and your response is a conformation to me. Thank you for taking the time. I greatly appreciate it.

[@Theooogurl]

Beautiful reply​@@DivideTheWordBlog

[@jenniferc.38]

Not going to lie, one of my favorite parts of this video was David Bernard being a lunatic! 😊 But in all seriousness, love all the videos, please keep them coming! It's refreshing after leaving such insanity (didn't know that's what it was at the time) to hear others' viewpoints that were taught the same doctrines. Good, logical arguments on all accounts. Great job!

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Hi Jennifer - Thank you for stopping by and watching. The man truly is a lunatic - but to each their own.

[@joycecooper7095]

Men and women clothes are cut from different cloth bodies are different shapes that's why we have a men department and a women's department in the store's

[@MrsLoriMarmee]

SO happy we found the facebook group for folks who've left the UPC!!!

[@sherin5201]

Lori Felzien pls give me a link .. I left them too

[@marshawood3325]

Lori Felzien where on facebook?

[@mikegintz5256]

The Holyghost didn't lead that decision Sister

[@mcmurphp1]

mike gintz imagine how pathetic your life is that you search the internet for a group of people who left your pathetic excuse for a church.

[@josearchuleta8855]

For all the people who leave a belief and fall into sin and practice sin you are lost judge not because there is only one judge who is going to judge me and you when we die and send us to heaven or hell

[@BPRUWITME]

So Harry Styles? Wearing a frilly dress? That’s cool with God?

[@JessicaGuilbeau]

Yeah. I wore pants to my church and was looked down on. Like people couldn't believe I was wearing Jean's. Because of this I have wanted to leave my church so many times. But God keeps me there. I was literally late to church because I couldn't find a skirt, went to Walmart and they didn't have one single skirt. I believe God is using me to create change in our church, something this church is not okay with

[@lcopeland9]

I am apostolic pentecostal, reading the comments break my heart to hear the hatred towards the UPCI. Aren’t we supposed love one another ? Aren’t we supposed to help and edify each other ? Why spend so much time trying to tear down the UPCI ? I love to wear my skirts and dresses because the Bible says in 1 John 2:15 (KJV) “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” Why would I want to dress like the people of this world ? As children of God we have been called to be set apart. I love to look different from this world because I am different. I don’t wear my dresses and skirts to condemn anybody or say it’s wrong if you don’t, I do it because it’s MY relationship and worship to God. It’s my conviction and I truly believe when you read the word of God for yourself and continue to seek more of Him you start to realize that there are certain things that are pleasing unto Him. I don’t dress the way I dress for my denomination or for anybody I do it for God. I love to be set apart because it’s who I am within Jesus Christ, and I truly do feel bad for those who are in the UPCI who try to condemn others for not changing or feeling convicted right away because holiness starts on the inside then shows on the outside. I truly wish nothing but love for you brothers and sisters and I hope you learn how to forgive whoever hurt you in the UPCI because there is corruption everywhere and in every denomination but you don’t see us tearing others down. GOD BLESS YOU. 1John 4:20 (KJV) “ If a man say , I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?”

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Hello Leanna, Thank you for stopping by. I'm going to take a wild stab and guess you didn't watch the whole video. And while I DO love when people say, 'It's my own conviction', it fear you are sadly mistaken. Leanna, it was the WORLD (society) that created the dress and skirts you wear. It was the WORLD (society) that created the pants people wear. If you love your skits and dresses, you love the world, for the world created those styles and it is a society that dictates what is Masculine and what is Feminine. Even the beloved David K. Bernard in his book "In search of Holiness" says that for men in Scotland to wear kilts (skirts) is perfectly OK, because to that society, it is masculine." Why then do you think the 'Bible' teaches a woman to wear skirts? There isn't a single standard set in the Bible for what to wear, how long it should be, what kind if should be, so long as it is modest. The argument that pants are immodest is stock-raving madness (not you, those who created this non-Biblical idea) because it was society, not the Bible, that decided whether or not pants were masculine or feminine. If society decided in the 16th century that Pants were for men, society again can decide they are also for women. And I daresay, having been in the Apostolic Church for 15 years, there were more immodest, butt hugging, shape showing skirts that would be counted as immodest. If you want to dress the way you imagine Biblical woman to dress, you would wear stark robes, with colored sashes, you would have headbands of gold, bronze bells on your ankles, perhaps even a nose ring and bracelets. Pants were a modern creation of the 16th century, and at this time, men dressed in lace, and tights, and high heels, yet, Society deemed that masculine. These videos are not representations of 'hate' towards the UPC, Apostolic Pentecostals, it is representative of the lies people have been spoon fed and led to believe it makes them more pleasing to God. Please do not twist false doctrine and someone who speaks against it to hate. I suppose you might be glad that Martin Luther spoke against his authorities who were teaching false doctrines? If he had not, you would be Catholic and not Apostolic. Would you have just labeled Martin Luther as someone spreading hate? I appreciate your comments,

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

One more thing Leanna, You said, I love to wear my skirts and dresses because the Bible says in 1 John 2:15 (KJV) “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” You just exposed the radical hate of the so-called Personal Convictions (which are actually self-righteous laws) of the Oneness Pentecostal Holiness movement. While the Scripture in question has nothing to do with how you dress, you just compared the way your dress to having the Love of the Father, and thus, those who don't dress like you, have not the Father. Implied is that when you don't dress Holy, you love the world, and the things in it. Which implies you do not have God's love, which implies you are lost, unsaved and without the Spirit of Christ. You don't see that as spreading hate? Misusing scriptures to try to prove an unbiblical dress standard as if it was required to be saved? I'm curious to hear your defense of that.

[@lcopeland9]

Divide The Word Blog I find it funny how you’re trying to tell me that I’m mistaken of MY own convictions. You nor anyone else can never take away my encounters with God and what He has revealed to me. If I feel convicted about drinking and smoking should I ignore it and say it’s mistaken because it’s just a perspective when in the word of God it clearly states that we should be sober ? There is no false doctrine in apostolic pentecostal only false people, we follow what the word of God says and if you don’t want to change then you don’t have to. It doesn’t mean you’re going to hell, but it just reflects your relationship with God. The whole moral of my comment is to get you to see that you shouldn’t tear down those who decide to change their clothing or not cut their hair because it’s their conviction and vice versa. Once again, I don’t think it’s right for people to tell other people how to dress or what to think but rather to read the word of God themselves and let Him reveal what needs to be revealed within their lives. I used to be in the Krishna movement and my parents interceded for my life, and it is by the grace of God that I am saved. I made the decision to change my clothing because I know that when I was in the world I used to dress with tight pants or short shorts with lustful intentions, once I became I aware of that I decided to dress what is modest for me to be pleasing unto God because it is MY conviction. No one is going to hell for what they do or don’t wear it doesn’t say that in the Bible, but please don’t try and condemn or accuse us of being false just because we have our own convictions.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Leeanna, I believe what I meant was completely lost. To say that that is is a personal conviction alone is mistaken when you lump it together with saying you cannot be Holy unless you dress that way, or that you can only have the Love of the Father if you hold that same conviction, which is what you have said by using the Scripture you did. No one, not even me is tearing someone down for the clothing they choose to wear. What I am combatting is the lie and arrogant false narrative that that is how you become holy, how you gain the love of the father, and according to your original post, the conclusion you WILL come to by submitting to God. That is a false narrative. Thank you again for stopping by,

[@noothername6199]

@@lcopeland9 The Book of Acts is the Truth. but outside of that it becomes legalism ,finger pointing , judgmental looks in Church ,Egotism . . "Commandments of men" standards were created by the Pentecostal organization "Legalism". And it all depends on how you translate the scriptures about dress and hair and jewelry...….. . There will be no denominations in heaven only Born Again Christians. Mormons have standards and legalism also in their religion so do catholics.......The bible says ,We cant be Saved by Outword WORKS, lest any man should Boast Boast Boast -Ephesians 2:9..... Legalism-Standards is all about the Outside. Its Works.,Look how good I AM God !! Look at my outside !! But Jesus said, Its the man at the Alter with the appearance of a Beggar that inherits the kingdom -James 2. ............Also, its not the outside appearance that sets you apart .Jesus said youll know them by their FRIUTS actions . Your fruits set a Christian apart as peculiar . I once knew a Pastors daughter that dressed "the Part" and cursed like a truck driver when she was in school. Your outward appearance does not save you, its considered "Works".

[@cindyclemmons8009]

Between the 14-17 century it was customary to wear multiple layers of clothing. Why? Because people did not bathe or wash their hair back then. They believed that washing and clean hygiene were evil and were afraid of getting the pox, sweating sickness, tuberculosis (bad drinking water), the plague and a host of venereal diseases of which syphilis was prevalent. If their clothes got soiled then they would simply have a new set made and I am simply speaking of the wealthy not the poor. Even the poor didn't bathe. Now on the topic of women wearing pants. I like wearing pants because when I wear a skirt or dress to church I sweat between my legs and get rashes. A dress can be a real hinderance sometimes too and uncomfortable. Plus when a woman wears panty hose there is a chance of getting some kind of infection of one form or another all for the sake of modesty. l I only wear a skirt or dress when I am in service as I sing in the choir and it is required. If it wasn't I would be up there singing to the Lord in my pants and I wouldn't care because Jesus loves me through and through and he knew what I looked like NAKED while I was still in mama's womb. blessings

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Cindy - Thank you so much for stopping by, watching the videos and most importantly, commenting! I appreciate the feedback, your historical insight and personal feelings. Hope you come back again!

[@cindyclemmons8009]

thank you I will. I have been exploring a lot of religious videos regarding cults because I believe that the church I attend is one. I have been going to an independent fundamental baptist church for the last six years. I have been going through a faith crisis lately and am contemplating leaving this church. I think what starting it was two things. First a good friend of ours left suddenly and of course rumors abounded that our friend and the pastor had some sort of falling out. Second, I am getting tired of being told I am a sinner every Sunday and there is nothing I can do (as a woman) to earn my salvation. Third, I found out some disturbing things that my church is doing and without going into detail, lets just say, funds are misused there. And as we all do, I am reluctant to leave as I have my friends there and I have served the church in various ways but as I watched in an earlier video of yours, you explained that perfectly. I get it now and that is why I am listening so intently. I believe that my church practices subtly various other religions like pentecostal, mennonite, ana baptist, and probably a little southern baptist. Anyway, something is not right here and I am looking for reasons that justify my leaving. Also, when I said I get told I'm a sinner every week, yeah, every week. I know that but I thought that my salvation was secure because I trusted Christ as my Savior and was baptized there. I know that baptism doesn't save you only confession as a sinner, asking Jesus to save you, and believing that He rose from the dead basically. Also, I don't agree with soul winning. I live in Las Vegas and it's dangerous knocking on people's doors here. You could get shot. I don't agree with soul winning because it doesn't work. A person has to be 100% willing to accept Jesus or it doesn't work. I know, I did it 3 times before it sunk in. So I have a lot of questions and I am not a young person but a senior. So, going to heaven is a big deal for me. blessings

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Hi Cindy, This is just 'my' opinion, but anything with 'independent' in the title is a cult. Fundamental Baptists are sometimes as nasty and mean as Pentecostals. So, if some group is Fundamental and Independent, they are what I call, and am writing about in my book, Two Steps from a Commune. I never make the pretense of telling people what to do, but I would make the recommendation of leaving and finding yourself a grace church, one focused on Jesus, not the works of man. Any church that spends its Sunday's focused on how 'wretched' you are instead of how Good He is is nothing but a performance-based religion that wants you to constantly feel the pressure to measure up. Then you will give more, pay more, stay more, etc. And you are 100% correct - door banging is an ineffectual way of spreading the gospel. You'd be better off volunteering at a nursing home and giving unconditional love to people who are alone and in need. Blessings,

[@sandrasanders706]

What is the idea of about women wearing short sleeves I usually see in these videos women wearing long-sleeved never short-sleeved what is the meaning of that?

[@davidboehmer2282]

Wearing pants? Crud. They run the show in most Charismatic and Pentecostal churches. Also most Christian homes. JEZEBEL RULES. They beat the snot out of Ahab.

[@sandrasanders706]

And all because of pants? Wow...its the women's fault, right?

[@jesusistheonlyway3111]

Would you honestly still feel the same about this topic if your male pastor would appear on Sunday morning ready to preach in a dress? I don't so.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Hi Siliva, I appreciate all comments and I'm glad you stopped by. I must admit though that I sincerely do not understand the premise you are trying to make.

[@geoffreytonui5625]

So to you, just as women wear pants, it's totally okay for a man to wear dresses?

[@dreams-ru1ef]

Culture and biblical principal are 2 different things

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

See my previous request for your consideration: 1) Who/What decided pants were men's attire?

[@puchiebrown1565]

is our hearts pricked when we obey not God? Do we want to make it to Heaven? God is going to judge our motives why we do what we do. The heart tells the story and only God knows the heart and He only will judge. The Word of the Lord tells us to follow peace with all men and holiness without, no man will see the Lord. GOD IS HOLY. Go requires the believers to be Holy. We can only be Holy when we received the HOLY GHOST. What convicts your spirit is what you should let go of, God made male and female, each needs to work out there own salvation with fear and trembling. At the end of days we will give account too God. I was raised Holiness and I wore dressed and skirts as a child as a young adult I dressed very loosely. When I obeyed the Lord and became born again I dressed in modest apparels. in all I try to do I must seek Jesus for He is the Judge of Judge's. Let's remain sanctified til Jesus comes, shall we.

[@noothername6199]

Holiness is not whats on the outward man ,his appearance. Holiness is Being (FORGIVEN). Jesus said its not what goes in or on the "Body" that defiled a man , its whats in the Heart, such as fornication, murder, evil thoughts. The heart defiles a man, not his outward appearance. That's what Jesus had to explain the Pharisees who were all about the outside appearance and rituals.

[@lorimurguia9337]

I don’t think Bernard was saying that women wearing pants causes homosexuality. I think he was saying, that the when we breakdown what makes men and women distinct, that can lead to confusion in sexually identity.

[@lannyfartski3836]

In the days of Jesus, men and women both wore robes. Were they confused?

[@Pipesyah89]

I'm in an apostolic church now. And I love it. But the women wear only dresses or skirts. The pastors wife doesn't wear any jewelry or makeup. It make me feel like an outsider. They haven't said anything to me yet, but I'm sure they will since my husband is on the leadership team. If they do I'm not going to be able to keep up with their standards! I will disagree politely.

[@phillipcastaneda3513]

LoL. The Jewish Torah gave 613 laws. The Christian Purtian Society maintained rules for every aspect of Life. But this guy can't even handle a mere 5 rules from the UPCI!

[@IsaacCoverstone]

UPCI has a lot more than 5 rules. But either way it's silly since it's all created by men for the purpose of controlling men.

[@ioneackermann9333]

Well done!!

[@gilov3]

I'm so glad I found your channel! God bless you brother!

[@esty6374]

Why do you want women to wear pants so much

[@scottpitta402]

Deut. chapter 22 does not discuss war or military issues. To say De. 22:5 refers to combat clothing is to take the passage out of context. The De. 22:5 prohibition is not unique to Oneness Pentecostalism. The book by Rice, though popular among Oneness Pentecostals, was not a Oneness Pentecostal. The prohibition of women wearing pants is not mentioned in the ministerial bylaws of the UPC. The 1945 bylaws did ban being a member of a secret society. De. 22:5 may not have been a big enough issue in 1945 to be included in the bylaws. The current prohibition is a reflection of the impact of WW2 on American Oneness Pentecostalism. If De. 22:5 was important, it would have been mentioned in the New Testament. But it is only mentioned once in the entire Bible. Had it been mentioned in other places in the Bible, we would have a better understanding of what Moses had in mind when he wrote this passage.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Hello Scott, Thanks for the comments! You are correct, Mr. Rice was a fundamental Baptist Evangelist, not a Oneness Pentecostal. I mention in my video and writings that his book is used by Oneness Pentecostals, such as my ex Pastor as a resource read to show validation for their beliefs. As to Deut 22:5, understanding the difference between the two phrases, "that which pertains to a man" and "women's garments" is crucial. In my studies of the Hebrew words, the whole passage isn't talking about military action, but hermeneutics shows us that passage and original word means to in part, be saying, "Do not attempt to become like a man, who is a mighty man of war and wear the garments and items that pertain to that man." You can pull out a Concordance and find those same references. Considering the fact that people in the time of this writing wore nearly identical clothing, with some distinction, such as jewelry, colors, etc. So we have to ask, why did the write use two different phrases, one for the masculine and one for the feminine, and then what were the differences between those apparels considering their outer garments were mostly identical? It's a fun study.

[@sandrasanders706]

@@DivideTheWordBlog Hi..After I began to ask questions on this site I suddenly see the name of John Rice I thought, I seen this before and now I know why he was a Bible Fundamentalist who pretty much do not believe in the move of the Holy Spirit or the Pentecostal movement. My question is why would an Apostolic Pentecostal denomination use a Bible fundamentalist book to promote these views? I lived in an area where they have a well-known fundamentalist church and they followed all of these rules and they experienced a lot of problems so much so they made the news in a bad way, so I'm just perplexed about why would somebody promote this in your church? It seems like they're afraid of women in a way even though it seems that more women are allowed to preach and you upc for what I can see on KZbin, and I see even some of the dress styles have changed, and evolved where they allow some freedom like with colors and outfits that are pretty updated, so something is going on or is this just where it is a famous UPC Church where this is going on or in other UPC churches as well that are not so well-known? I hope you understand my questions. your site is amazing..thank you!

[@youngin881]

@@DivideTheWordBlog. Last two words of Deut 22. “Father’s skirt”.

[@carlabushey4973]

Wow, this was very good! I also grew up in UPC.

[@silentfades]

I very much appreciate your videos. Thank you for your bravery and for sharing your knowledge.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

I'm more than happy to do it and thank you for stopping by! Blessings,

[@carsonmeoli9246]

I do sinserly feel bad for what you went thru because I've been thru the same thing, almost exactly. But I think you need someone to show you the foundational stuff

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Carson - friend, I graduated from Texas Bible College 4.0, I know all the foundations you think I need to. Is till have dozens of books from Bible College, plenty of Larry Booker and David K. Bernard on my shelf. I spent 15 years learning the Apostolic Doctrine. It's diseased from the roots up and has a systemic problem. In truth, the best Bible Studies are ones done with an open mind and spirit to the Scripture without the bias of what I call Denomination Lock. Heck, I don't blame the Pentecostal movement for it 100%, but Jim Jones was heavily influenced by the Azusa St preachers, and if you study the Rajneeshi cult of the 80's, their worship was as twisty as Pentecostal Charismatic worship, which is more demonic emotional hyperventilation than praise. I know what I need to know, and that is that the Apostolic Doctrine is, while perhaps sincere, extremely twisted and in error.

[@carsonmeoli9246]

Divide The Word Blog what about pentacostle worship and praise is demonic.?and which doctrine is diseased?

[@carsonmeoli9246]

It's 5 am over here in az

[@trinigarza4303]

If your convictions should be individual between you and God, why are you posting this video. (Cognitive dissonance?)

[@Tamara-ju3lh]

To help people like me, who was raised in a church like this who is struggling to now connect with God because I feel guilty even THINKING about forming my own convictions about the scriptures. Videos like this expose legalism and is helpful to people like me who still have anxiety over topics like this.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Trini, I appreciate you stopping by and commenting. I must make the judgement based on your comments that you are Apostolic and identity with the doctrines I speak of. To claim that my videos represent cognitive dissonance is quite ironic, if indeed you view these man made doctrines as Biblical commandments. I make my videos not out of cognitive dissonance or irrational thinking, but a desire to see people delivered from the cult style control the Apostolic Pentecostal (UPC) church exercises over people and the pharasaical system of false Doctrine it has created. I suppose to be a voice on one in the wilderness calling people out of false religion, and more importantly, for those suffering under this system to know they aren't alone and there is a voice speaking for them. Thanks again for stopping by,

[@trinigarza4303]

So you must look to hateful, flawed, man to help you in your search of what?! At some point you have to seek out your own salvation, you must rightly divide the word... But I am not in your shoes. My frustration is that we are spoon fed things yet never look them up ourselves in the word of God. Our source of truth comes from a divisive man. I just hear hate, not help, even in some of the true statements that are said. If you identify with him, then it is helpful...yes the same sentiment told me by borderline personality patients who get what they want. I can’t change your past hurt, but you don’t need this man to heal. Get up, grow up, use the Bible as your source, not a hateful video.

[@trinigarza4303]

@Divide the word. Assume as you wish. I am a bible believing Christian in search of a deeper relationship with God. I am not a “cult” basher nor do I dump a religious denomination into a single basket. But just like I don’t want a doctor telling me I am ok when my diet is horrible, I want a man of God in my life who will preach the truth. In that, it is my responsibility to seek out my own salvation and search the scriptures. I got little souls who depend on me (my children) and I want to lead them. There are just ways to disagree in love, which you do not show. This arrogance, it’s tough to see that your ideas are true when you say such things not in grace. You were hurt and lied to...so you call someone a lunatic - that’s what I mean. It’s just like your point of women wearing clothing but their attitude is horrible. From the outside I see a normal dude, and you make well articulated arguments that unfortunately are hollow because you show such hate against those you think hurt you or lied to you. I don’t think there’s scripture that agrees with paying evil for evil. Anyway maybe you should pray for those...anyway. Dissect a teaching, don’t bash a man.

[@trinigarza4303]

@@sanctity26 I am glad the video helped you. Now, an army? Maybe a squad.

[@tristansharp8075]

Do you understand the difference between judicial law and moral law?

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

@Tristan I do, and Scripture does not distinguish between them, but rather places Love as the replacement of all the Old Testament law. I've heard people argue that only portions of the OT law were abolished, (Paul in Ephesians 2 explicitly said the entire law was abolished) while others remain. This is much like Dispensationalism. A modern doctrine that isn't actually in Scripture. And to this videos topic, one reference is in Deut 22:5, which places clothing in the Ceremonial Law category, not the Morql law. That chapter includes some stances on Moral law however, that I've never seen a New Testament Christian obey. That's why its cherrypicking at best to attempt to separate parts and pieces of the Law and try to apply it to us today. And, according to Paul in Galatians 2/3, those who do are under a curse to obey the entirely of the law. That's not a curse I want Ephesians 2:14-16 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

[@tristansharp8075]

@@DivideTheWordBlog anything God calls an abomination references moral law because an abomination is sin. God's moral law Is unchanging, therefore if it was an abomination for a man to wear women's clothes and vice versa 4,000 years ago then the same holds true today. Ephesians 2 does not imply abolition of the law at all. The passage you're referring to talks about the coming together of Jew and Gentile through Christ. The law this scripture refers to is judicial as it references laws regarding the separation of Jews from Gentiles. Its generally believed that Paul was referencing Jewish law in Galatians 3, such as circumcision, dietary laws, and annual holy days and not just giving a pass for christians to sin

[@nancyhollis5999]

Tristan sharp do you eat catfish or know of anyone that does. 3 times it says it's an abomination to eat them just within a few verses and i even know Pentecostals that have catfish restaurants. Also there are other abominations listed in the word of God and you dont hear preaching on them just this one. How is duet 22:5 any different than any other abomination.

[@tristansharp8075]

Nancy Hollis the ban on eating catfish is part of Old Testament law that is lifted in Acts 10:11 when God sends Peter a sheet full of every beast, clean and unclean and says “Rise Peter, kill and eat” and Peter says “no Lord for I have never eaten any unclean thing” and God responds “What God has cleansed, do not call unclean”. You can read this story in Acts 10:9-16. It shows that the Old Testament law about unclean food no longer applies to Christians. Deuteronomy 22:5 speaks of moral law, moral law is applicable until the end of time. Judicial and ceremonial law has been taken away. If you don’t think Deuteronomy 22:5 is an abomination do you also not think Leviticus 18:21-27 are abominations? I think you’d have a hard time arguing that beastiality and child sacrifice are not abominations. Thugs because they’re moral law and so is Deuteronomy 22:5

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

It is simply not true to claim that 'Moral' law stays, while Civil and Ceremonial Law goes. There isn't one single Scripture to even indicate that. In one place, Jesus says not one word of the law will go away (to the Jew), and then Paul defines that no Gentile is under even one of the Judaic/Mosaic laws. This isn't a contradiction, it's the very real separation between Jew and Gentile. First off, and foremost, the true definition of the 'Moral Law' is the 10 Commandments, that was the try Moral Law. And indeed, with that right interpretation, we know and understand that the Moral Law is everlasting. Jesus himself said that the Greatest Commandments were to Love God, and to Love One Another. Secondly, it is terribly inconsistent to lump Deut 22:5 into the Moral Law simply by the word 'abomination'. Many things are an abomination, such as 'unjust weights', but that was dealt with and adjudicated under the Civil Law. By your argument, that law is done away with and we can now use unjust weights, but the dress code thing... that sticks around? Finally, (short disclaimer, NONE of this argument by any side is to argue that we should run around immodest or in attire that is immodest) when one does some study into the Jewish culture, you'll find out the Western concept of Dispensationalism, which is the root of this separation of Moral, Civil and Ceremonial Law is a man-made invention, not found in Scripture. For instance, if you go to the actual source, and read how ancient Jewish people understood these commandments, you'll quickly learn that never was it interpreted the way we take it. First and foremost, Deut 22:5 was dealing with literal cross-dressing, to assume the role (transvestite) of the opposite sex. Not whether or not modern society (1700's and on) deemed a new modern clothing article was for a particular gender, and then later changed it. This still pants conversation... Pants weren't even conceived of in Bible times. (And no, 'britches' was not pants') You can find in the Babylonian Talmud and the later Halakhah interpretations of such laws, specifically and literally. And even other commands that you'll see in Paul's writings that women aren't to pray and prophesy with their head uncovered, and what that meant to those people of that day. Or the 'plaiting of the hair'. This was prohibited by the Talmud because if a woman took the plates out of her hair to show her friends, she violated the Sabbath Law that you were not to carry items more than 4 'ells' on the Sabbath, an 'ell' being nearly 11.2 inches. So if you carried objects nearly 4 feet in public on Sabbath, you violated sabbath law. Here is one small paragraph on the topic. If someone wishes to be bound by law, let them. But I'll be bound by the Love of Christ, which all the 'Law' as you'll read here, is bound up in. The Mosaic and Judaic law does not apply to the Gentile bride, and Paul quite literally said, in Galatians 3:10, if you try to live by one portion of the law (only to Gentiles) you are under a curse to obey the entirety of the Law. CHAPTER VI. REGULATIONS CONCERNING WHAT GARMENTS (SERVING AS ORNAMENTS) WOMEN MAY GO OUT WITH ON THE SABBATH. MISHNA I.: In what (ornamental) apparel may a woman go out, and in what may she not go out? A woman is not allowed to go out (even in private ground) either with woollen or linen bands or with straps on her head to keep her hair in tresses (as a precaution lest she enter public ground and take off the bands to show to her friends, thereby becoming guilty of carrying movable property for a distance of four ells or more). Nor is she to bathe herself with the bands on unless loosened. Nor is she to go out with either Totaphoth or Sarbitin on, unless they are fastened; 1 nor with a hood in public ground, nor with gold ornaments, nor with nose-rings, nor with finger-rings that have no seal, nor with pins. But if she did go out with these things, she is not bound to bring a sin-offering (as they are ornaments and not burdens).

[@leatharay3565]

One flaw I could list many.

[@shellyblanchard5788]

The pentecost consider women wearing pants was men's clothing, and men wearing a dress was considered wearing women's clothing. Men wear clothes different than men and so do women wear clothes different than men. That is why it called cross dress. Styles have changed over the years. Pentecost find it offensive for a woman to wear pants because of it's domemical look. Like in the scripture a woman is not to usurp authority over the man. They want the appropriate look for a man not be in dress like a woman. It has to do with outward adorning. 😊😉

[@latoriarichardson6754]

One question that has swirled in my mind since I was a child (for people who believe the "no pants" thing) is, what about hats, scarves, robes, gloves, boots, sneakers, socks, and shirts?!

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

There was a time in human history, that gloves were only men's apparel. Same for lace, and wigs. A total lack of historical knowledge and Biblical ignorance is what allows to people to oppress others with these silly standards.

[@kathy3178]

My Bible , Complete Jewish Bible, states in I Timothy 2:5, women should not have elaborate hairstyles. Yet I know Pentecostal women who spend a fortune and a lot of time on their hair. If you search here on KZbin for tutorials on Pentecostal hair, you will find loads of them. That to me is cognitive dissonance. Their appearance is supposed to be humble. Yet they spend a fortune on looking good for church.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

This is one of the greatest hypocrisies of the Oneness/Apostolic and Holiness movement. They will argue that one of the reasons men should not wear facial hair is because of the time it takes to groom it and the pride of keeping it styles. Have they looked up at their hair styles? Now don't get me wrong... I have no problem with the hair, just the hypocrisy. Great point - thank you.

[@sascandave]

Born and raised a UPC preachers kid . Never believed even as a child. Found wicca in my 30s and never looked back there is freedom from this cult ... the upci

[@johntandycrabtree392]

Aren't Kilts Scottish?

[@anthonycrane1860]

PLEASE read and research " Christianity without the cross" by Thomas Fudge Grounded in primary source research, this boldly revisionist book examines the doctrine of salvation in Oneness Pentecostalism (United Pentecostal Church) from its origins through its several developmental stages. The gradual rise of a literal interpretation of Acts 2.38 eliminated a tradition of doctrinal diversity within Oneness thought which regarded salvation as occurring at repentance prior to water and Spirit baptism. With this development a main link to the wider stream of evangelical Christianity was severed. The "water and Spirit" theology resulted in a form of Christianity which does not necessarily require the cross in any meaningful sense for salvation. This study recovers the lost theological tradition associated with important figures such as Howard A. Goss, A.D. Gurley, W.M. Greer, C.H. Yadon, Wynn T. Stairs, Earl Jacques, E.P. Wickens, John Paterson and the Pentecostal Church, Incorporated. Combining traditional historical methodology and theological research with the principles of a broadly based oral history, this study argues for a theological diversity within the history of Oneness Pentecostalism and in so doing bridges an important gap in the history and theology of the United Pentecostal Church.

[@flintstarter7013]

I believe common sense can reveal that women wearing pants can provoke men to lust over them and if your a Godly women you should consider why wearing pants it's truly not wise and not modest, we should use our discernment.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

@Jay Jay I can only say that common sense can reveal that whatever one chooses to wear can cause another to lust, if that is the purpose of what you wear. And furthermore, this doctrine takes the sad stance that the problem is in what the woman wears, not what is in the mans heart. Discernment means having wisdom, understanding, and as Scripture says, "Try every spirit..." which means, test the motivation behind a person. I can tell you this - my daughters playing on a playground are FAR more modest in pants then in skirts. Each time they go down the slide no one can see up their skirt. When I see a woman in a skirt or pants, I have the same attractions if I allow them - and I've seem some 'modest' skirts in UPC/Holiness gatherings that left absolutely nothing to the imagination. It's the heart of the wearer and observer that matters, not the article of clothing. We need to trust in the spirit, pray, and work on our hearts and not legalistic and dogmatic stances that place the performance metric on the human rather than the spirit. Blessings,

[@angelanetterville7650]

I hate to burst your bubble there, but men wearing pants can cause women to lust after them as well. And I'll tell you a secret. They don't have to be tight pants either...😉

[@nancyhollis5999]

I know Pentecostals wearing skirts so tight that the only thing missing is the seam up the middle.

[@amberjanesmith6771]

I disagree it depends on what type of jeans

[@darwinapala960]

People!!!!! LUST AND PRIDE ARE SPIRITS not what you wear or not wear. If you are a TRUE BELIEVER and the LOVE of God is in you. You will first LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOUR SELF! That is a commandment. As far as the ie "Dress Code"... If you are filled with his spirit, then you will have common sense into knowing how to dress appropriately. Does the word not teach us that the Holy Ghost is the Spirit of Truth and it will teach you all things? I am ashamed of all you bickering back and forth and I am Human!!! I am wondering what God is thinking as His heart is broken because his children can't do what he has asked....LOVE EACH OTHER.... And I say this with LOVE and Compassion. Am I perfect? By no means.... Am I judging, God forbid.... But, what I am stating is a simple fact. We can not win the lost by throwing darts at one another and arguing over God's word. Everyone STOP!!! Let's take time out and reexamine ourselves and ask ourselves? Am I Loving God the way that He desires me to love? If so, then it should be easy for me to love my neighbors and my community. Helping those in need spreading the true message of Christ. And that is his love, mercy, and grace. Blessings in 2023. Love you all, Darwin

[@zionzatan4301]

Oops i became the other one! Lol i like your vids ralph. Refreshing.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Thank you for watching and letting me know your thoughts.

[@bradleydavis8714]

Why do you come out and call the man a lunatic? Just because his views are different than yours? Name calling is not the way my friend. smh

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

There is a large gulf between differing opinions, to wholesale manufacturing of false doctrines and lies. I have many of Mr. Bernard's books and I studied at Texas Bible College where I received a degree in theological studies, albeit worthless as it was completely biased by the UPC. I know what the man says, teaches and believes. Mr. Bernard makes claims and states things as fact that are easily discovered as falsified and extremely out there. You may call it 'smh' if you wish but there are times a spade must be called a spade. If I led and organization of that size and had people eating out of my hands, all the while peddling falsities, I would assume and expect to be labeled a little fringe and lunatic as well. I don't make a practice of using belittling titles for people but there are a few, mostly in places of power (abused power) that require a little extra special seasoning.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

One last thing, Not as I claim to be Jesus, furthest from it, but even he called people 'brood of vipers', which was a rather denegrating name calling session don't you think? Not saying it should be our practice, but there is a time for that extra special word seasoning.

[@bradleedavis0602]

I figured you were at one time associated with the upc. I was a tbc student myself.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Brad, To be honest, the church I was part of for 15 years was not UPC. They left the UPC a few years before I got sucked in because they thought the UPC was too liberal and compromising by letting people wear wedding rings. It was an independent Apostolic Pentecostal church with no oversight.

[@bradleedavis0602]

Divide The Word Blog ( what year did you attend tbc?) I graduated high school in 04 but didn’t attend tbc until 2006) Did you go in Lufkin or Houston,

[@pitbullboxing5]

Great video.

[@mademeglorious]

All I can say is, "amen!"

[@etelehs]

This was good, do you have info on the oneness doctrine concerning makeup

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Taron, You can find their UPCI Member Handbook that declares makeup to be 'unholy' and not something their members are to partake of.

[@melreadjoy17]

Responsible Faith KZbin channel discusses makeup. She was from a UPCI church.

[@braddavis3821]

So calling Rev. Bernard a lunatic is ok? SMH

[@trinigarza4303]

Is getting dressed a deed?

[@mikeeagan1307]

Deuteronomy 22:5..... You can try to pull out all the translations, but its pretty obvious what the Lord is saying and that is DON'T CROSS DRESS, don't try to look like the opposite sex, plain and simple. The Epistles brings out for a woman to dress modestly. What is so hard to understand? A woman looks at herself and asks, do I look modest or not, am I revealing to get unwanted attention or not? And for a man... why would you want to put on anything of a woman's? Think about it, would a guy even put on a woman's pair of sweatpants, not on your life..... unless he was wanting to be like a woman

[@brothercaleb]

Amen 🙏🏾

[@carsonmeoli9246]

I'm limited because I don't feel like texting for an hour to teach you what those guys should have taught you. I don't have the patience to text for an hour so now what

[@IsaacCoverstone]

We were taught everything you think you know. The difference is that we learned more and moved on. You could do the same.

[@carsonmeoli9246]

slayer1am I was taught the old testament types and shadows that bare witness to the new testament. Like baptism the coming of the Lord and so on but scriptures on holiness I had to study for my self to see if what they were saying was true and it was right

[@carsonmeoli9246]

slayer1am learn more then baptism is where the blood is applied, learn more than the fullness of the godhead dwells in Jesus, learn more than the coming of the Lord Jesus in the rapture, learn more than the gifts of the spirit in operation? Learn more than evangelism to a lost world, learn more than pentacost is the true way to receive the holy ghost? Uhh yeah ok you go ahead and move on ...wink wink..

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

I refrain from sarcastic comments, but I am appreciative of Carson, for you are showing the true colors of the Pentecostal movement you aspouse, which is always hateful, demanding, mocking, elitist and disturbing. I couldn't ask for anything more than for you to prove what I am saying and your comments to do just that. I do hope some day you realize that and change your mind.

[@paulaoyedele2081]

When Deuteronomy was written both men and women wore dress-like robes....with variations that separated the female clothes from the male clothes, which is mostly the same as today. Buttons on opposing sides of shirts, cuts for a male shape versus a female shirt. That being said, I will not join the party of apostolic Christian bashing.....just as I will not make fun of a blind or deaf person. Jesus said "love your enemy".... They are far from the enemy, they are misguided. When you study the Word and are hungry for more of God, HE will lead us and guide us. I was once a UPC youth, even went to bible college, but on that journey I discovered things in the word that was different to the "dress code" and various teachings. BUT....and this is a big BUT....we can only teach what we know, not what we do not know. They are teaching only the things they know or think they know, for this I just admonish to study God's Word....but not just this....but to seek God with all your heart and walk in the Spirit. One thing I noted during my time there was that every time there was "tongues and interpretation" the message was always similar to this "my people I love you but you need to draw close to me, seek me with all your heart, if you do not I will turn to another". This was one of the pivotal things that caused me to wonder why no one else seemed to understand that if we must draw close, it means we are far away. After a time of prayer, all would forget what the Spirit of God was saying, and that made me wonder. But I would never ask my friends about it. But one thing for sure, I have never heard "tongues and interpretation" in any other main stream Pentecostal Evangelical churches (I attended after leaving UPC).........no hey my people I love you and ?I am leading you etc.....nada...zilch....nothing...why is that?

[@BruceHall]

Keep it up young man, you may just start a revolution.....a much needed one.

[@esty6374]

Dude the sexual revolution of the 60s is a product of this type of thinking

[@pastorjesusv.valenzuelacha1601]

HALLELUJAH!!!

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

I agree! Blessings,

[@elaineduplooy5584]

Satan is hiding behind culture and tradition! Yes, God does search our hearts, but our bodies are the temples of God, and that also matters!!!

[@mikegintz5256]

This man doesn't even go to church Hebrews 10:25 .He is too good to set under the 5 fold ministry of Ephesians 4 that God set in place I know there are some corrupt UPC churches out there but there are also some decent UPC churches that you can be blessed and be perfected through as Saints Ephesians 4.This man just wants to make videos about motes in other peoples eyes while neglecting the beam in his own eye.

[@JWatts-gc4zw]

Probably because most churches nowadays are corrupt . Theyre either plagued with legalism (called holiness standards) behind the pulpit, and the pastor thinks he has a right to control and dictate your every move, down to whether you own a tv to if you dye your hair, its crazy , or the churches are preaching the wrong doctrine. its like We loose either way. and people are tired of it. The church building is not the Temple .The temple of God dwells inside of us and hes with us wherever we go in or outside of a building. I am down to one service a week and searching for another church.

[@mikegintz5256]

@@JWatts-gc4zw Thank God your still going I know there are some ignorant pastors out there no one that is obedient to God's word will allow that to stop them move on find another church we need a preacher and fellowship with other Holyghost filled people that's God's plan no justifiable reason for completely forsaking the assembly of ourselves together if we cannot find a pastor we can tolerate the problem is with us.

[@JWatts-gc4zw]

@@mikegintz5256To be honest I would love to stay where I am. But I cant focus. there are to many religious spirts in that place that push you out when you don't "measure up" to the standard, the people can smile all they want but the spirits in that place are condemning, you cant see them but they are very real.. If you don't believe me ,try walking in week after week with something they don't believe in (dress) and see how long you last...One thing ive noticed over the years is we were never taught what GRACE is and now I am finally learning. Im trying an Assemblies of God church where youre not judged by appearance Im hoping I can get some peace and worship in .

[@mikegintz5256]

@@JWatts-gc4zw Assemblies of God don't obey Acts 2:38 they are not Apostolic in their doctrine I am aware of spirits in UPC churches man will fail you but don't accept another so called form of the gospel because of it .Acts 2:38 is the grace of God a way made for us that we have done nothing to deserve. Do not sit under a pastor that doesn't stress the importance of Acts 2:38 as Peter did and Jesus did John 3:3-5,Luke 24:47-49

[@mikegintz5256]

@@JWatts-gc4zw I understand somewhat of what your going through I have left a few apostolic upc and non UPC apostolic churches find you another apostolic church even if u have to drive a couple hours from your house it will be worth it.

[@nancyhollis5999]

We are told that we are peculiar we are odd different ....if you look up the word peculiar in the Strongs"s it doesnt mean that check it for yourself.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Hi Nancy, the best description I've seen of that 'peculiar' word and meaning there is 'One's own'. We are our own and not of this world, but the implication taught by Holiness movements that we need to look radically different and thus formed their dress standards is in error. Great point.

[@CKoinonia1]

My former UPC pastor also made it seem like peculiar meant we were to be different. I discovered the same thing- that it didn't mean it at all. This blog may help some regarding that word: blogs.spiritualabuse.org/2016/11/14/examining-teachings-3-peculiar-and-separate/

[@nancyhollis5999]

I have seen alot of females wearing skirts with built in pants (for swimming or workout) which like you said this was the dress of a priest with the breeches under their robes to cover their nakedness. I have seen pictures on facebook of ladies that wouldnt dare go out without her skirt on in sleep pants or even allowed to wear them in the house but must change before going out but the Bible says if you bring the abominable into your house you become a cursed thing like it. Even a tshirt was for the soldiers and nothing is said about women wearing them just pants.

[@rondafultz2701]

I live in an area that’s windy just about every afternoon. I actually love wearing skirts. But, after living in my area for awhile, I cannot due to the wind. Now after wearing pants 👖 I work harder, gained weight, and find my stride has changed and is more masculine.

[@leshaneedwards3848]

Luke 6:22-23 (KJV) Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

[@tobiasgertz7800]

Scotland is the birthplace of the kilt. Not Ireland.

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Thank you Tobias,

[@ericallensr3435]

The issue of wearing pants is both a holiness and modesty issue. Deut 22 is about putting a distinction between the clothing of men and women, that is a holiness issue. Modesty deals with exaggeration of the wear, fitting, color, styles etc. Nothing legalistic about it, if you are a man or women the grace of God teaches Children of God to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and how to live soberly and righteously in this evil world. Be careful that you are not fighting the Spirit of God. If you notice when that spirit gets a hold of men what do they wear to show their folly, dresses and make-up? When it gets a hold of women they become hyper aggressive cutting their hair like men etc. God's grace is totally oppose to such antics. He hates any semblance of and "recoils" at such behavior and the attitude and spirit behind it!

[@silentfades]

I went to a church were a gay man was told " Not to look in the mirror and only when they had to such as to shave". He was also told that to talk in a lower tone voice. I know that to be fact as that man was me. Thank you for these vids -- I am still years later trying to sort out what is truth.

[@Zale180]

Jesus is the truth, truly search Him out and all of His teaching. God bless

[@altonthornhill3033]

Did I miss something? I thought I just listened to a lot of name calling, insults, and condemning a group of believers for what their conscious approves.

[@carsonmeoli9246]

Women wearing dresses is in the new testament

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

Interesting. I would love to see that verse friend.

[@carsonmeoli9246]

Divide The Word Blog 1 Tim 2:8 modest aparrell. Aparrell in Greek is Kata Stole. Kata means (let down) and stole means a long dress. Let down is referring to tell them don't gird up the dress and make pants. That's right stole is a long dress. You know whats funny is that everyone is so wise in the scripture . They go on and on about how legalistic we are when right there in the new testament the apostle Paul says this is what women are expected to wear. Oh let me guess that's only for back then right?

[@carsonmeoli9246]

Divide The Word Blog it's hilarious to me how you used the story of David and how God says he looks on the heart. Uhh okay, so because he's saying it doesn't matter if David is the youngest and might not appear to be capable just by looking on his outward appearance, God sees the potential in him and his future, that's a free ticket for women to dress ungodly?? Bro where did you get that message from that? So silly. Even from the beginning in gen 3:21 God himself made clothing for them because they weren't covered enough. If God doesn't care what women dress like then why does it talk about modest aparrell then. Talk about not rightfully dividing the word.

[@carsonmeoli9246]

Divide The Word Blog call Texas Bible college and tell them you want a refund

[@carsonmeoli9246]

Divide The Word Blog I can just see you now googling modest aparrell lol. That's your problem you do most of your research on the computer instead of prayer fasting and reading out a Bible.

[@carsonmeoli9246]

Someone needs to give you a Bible study your way off dude

[@DivideTheWordBlog]

By all means Carson, proceed. Thank you,

[@trinigarza4303]

Last question: according to our culture today, what makes a woman a woman and a man a man? Your picture you post of 2 "men" and 2 "women", they appear as such because you want people to see them as such. But what if the first individual identifies as as a woman, is he now a woman..your arguments unfortunately are epidermal at best. Sorry bro...sigh!

[@coryedwardsdayl1375]

Woman are not to pants

[@amberjanesmith6771]

Pants for women and pants for men .women have skirts and men have kilts