Divine Command Theory: Crash Course Philosophy #33

As we venture into the world of ethics, there are a lot of different answers to the grounding problem for us to explore. One of the oldest and most popular is the divine command theory. But with age comes a long history of questions, too, such as the dilemma presented by Plato known as the Euthyphro Problem.
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[@jackharmon1]

The Ten Recommendations: 1. I would suggest you don't have any other gods. 2. Please don't make any graven images. 3. It kinda bugs me when people take my name in vain. 4. Sundays are pretty cool 5. Be nice to your mom and dad, if you can. 6. I'd like it if you didn't kill people. 7. Adultery is not that cool. 8. If could not steal, that would be stellar. 9. Please don't bear false witness, if that's cool. 10. Please just generally leave your neighbor uncoveted, it's not a huge deal but c'mon, please.

[@siraeonjay]

ok..?

[@davidostos506]

Thank you for the recommendations, God.

[@guyfawkes7949]

Number 4 is Saturday. You show superficial understanding of the Ten Commandments.

[@fymf00100]

How about "You should take a break once a week. Maybe come over to my house for a few hours and hang out, or call me if you can. It'll be great."

[@UltimateWaifuXD]

And if you break any of these rules, you go to hell. No big deal.

[@jeka8826]

Hank, I really appreciate how respectful you are in these videos. You say "in this worldview" or "Plato said" objectively, without passing judgment on people who do or do not hold a certain philosophical view. In the comments, people will judge each other for their theist/atheist beliefs, but you don't go there in your videos. Thank you for explaining the topic without taking sides, so we can all use philosophy to investigate and test our own ideas without feeling that philosophy has already solved a problem once and for all. It's a much stronger way to learn and to think for ourselves.

[@joshuajones888]

All I know is, God would like us all to call bananas ChomChoms

[@PennyDreadful1]

"Thou shalt commit adultery" was a famous Bible typo in a Bible from 1631.

[@andrewxu4078]

Anyone spot Kurzgesagt at 5:33?

[@asterixgallier8102]

Ahhh! Nice

[@patrickwheeler6362]

Yup.

[@sunildjd26]

Hahaha awesome

[@junesept234]

'didn't saw that until I read this.

[@isa_apricot]

U a real g if u spot kurzgesagt

[@ezravoss]

It's crazy to imagine that all this discussion was before the world's top 3 religions were "discovered".

[@CaidenCowger]

Actually, Judaism had already been "discovered," because it predates other religions and time of origin is unknown.

[@anapaulapedro7025]

Caiden Cowger Hinduism is arguably the oldest that is still practiced.

[@CaidenCowger]

Ana Paula Pedro, Judaism predates Hinduism, because they went according to the Oral Torah, prior to written documentation.

[@anapaulapedro7025]

@@CaidenCowger Its hard to know the actual date but considering how old India is, Hinduism could be just as old.

[@solomon.powell]

​@@anapaulapedro7025 If Moses was a true prophet, and Genesis is accurate, the first two humans followed and actually talked and met daily with the God of the Bible. Their names were Adam and Eve and the location is given, including the river Euphrates being mentioned. That dates to around 3700 B.C. if the genealogies are accurate. It was not until the tower of Babel in chapter 11 that people even scattered to different parts of the world and started having more than one language (again, if Genesis is accurate). Eventually people settled in the Indus Valley (India, etc). The oldest Hindu vedas are believed to have been written about 1700 years, which is still very old though! Older than Moses and the writing down of Genesis. Even if not older than the practice of people following Yahweh (the God of the Bible). The more important question, imo, though, is which God has shown he is the most interested in communicating and being in relationship with us. So far, (as all Hindus will tell you), no single one of the Hindu gods has ever sent a message to the human race with any kind of personal message in it, or naming himself, or telling us anything about himself. All we have are the Vedas and none of the Hindu gods claim responsibilty for it. Same with Zeus, Poseidon, Amun-Ra, etc. We have no messages from any of those gods. So if any of them truly cares about it, they have a strange way of showing it. Then we come to Yahweh, and we have dozens of messages-- 66 total, spread out over 1500 years, and all preserved for us today thousands of years later (most in museums but obviously we have copies printed in English). If any god gets the prize for trying to talk the most, I know who I'm giving the prize too! I love that about him! People in every generation rebel against him and ignore him, but he keeps reaching out, keeps speaking. Of course, the final messenger he sent was his own son, and we killed him. And there haven't been any more messages after that from him. He said that though. He said his son would be the last attempt he makes to speak to us in a special way like that. I can't blame him. That was literally the most valuable gift he could have sent. Well, omw look at me ramble on! Pfew!

[@taylorbritt499]

his mug that says "I drink therefore I am" is amazing and I want it XD

[@camiloiribarren1450]

Thank God!! You used one of the Platonic dialogues with Socrates.

[@Theo_Caro]

We have discussed the Republic in the passed, which also has Socrates as a main character.

[@2toasty]

it doesn't. Phadeo is the last of Plato's Socratic dialogues. Edit: Scratch that

[@kostpap3554]

except maybe the Laws, all the other feature socrates as one of the main characters

[@Theo_Caro]

Kumail Are you kidding? Socrates is the narrator and main speaker. Yes that conversation didn't actually happen. But it is a "platonic dialogue with socrates."

[@2toasty]

T. H. Caro yeah, youre right

[@MrJr1976]

I love when Crash Course makes me think. Coming from a theist, this is a very good video. Thank you.

[@christominded4726]

see my reply.

[@studentxcmu]

Have you come up with any conclusion? I would like to hear, thanks a lot!

[@jamesteranov5978]

and coming from an atheist I think the same.

[@brittkelly9878]

@@studentxcmu I agree if there was a change of thought pattern I would like to know as well just because I'm also curious

[@williamnathanael412]

Agree, I'm a Christian and I find this quite interesting.

[@SecularMentat]

I've always enjoyed the Euthyphro Dilemma and it's horns. I can't wait to see the next response to this dichotomy.

[@Bogonavt]

Thanks Hank! I love this course. I study the course because as a Christian i want to know where different beliefs come from. In the Bible commandments are tied to covenants, and the Old covenant was only for jews before Christ, so it's not a thing today. I hope it helps. Commandments like prohibition of mixing different types of fabric in the context of that age and place were given because mixing different fabric types was a part of pagan cults with human sacrifices surrounding jews. Thus it meant don't practice cults. Most problems with the Bible are removed by knowing its context.

[@siggyincr7447]

Wow, the mental gymnastics displayed here in the comments are really impressive.

[@merikijiya13]

Siggy in CR 🧠 🤸‍♀️

[@ValentinoNuzzoliArt]

Socrates is just straight up legendary!

[@PatrickHogan]

When I took Ethics my instructor spent six weeks on Divine-Command Theory because he felt it wholly proved God and would not let it go until someone either proved him wrong to the point he changed his belief or everyone in the class accepted God's existence. He was fired and replaced. Not sure why.

[@TryinaD]

God’s Not Dead but the Opposite

[@sebastienbusque2312]

Watching all of those videos reminds me of a piece of philosophy I found in a Belgium comic strip called 'Le Chat' (or 'The Cat') by Phillipe Gelluck. The character in question said in a short strip: "Man made God. As a way to thank him, God made Man."

[@jacobw7454]

"Is all of modern culture a violation of God's word?" Most of it is, yes

[@tofu_golem]

Yes, for example, we don't beat or slaves to death, nor do we sell our daughters into slavery.

[@PairsOfDuals]

@Cameron Can you show me this fabulous, golden age in the past where that wasn't the case for most of humanity?

[@nickick8498]

Paul are you trying to critique Judaism here?

[@christianvelezvelez8224]

@@tofu_golem the old testament although read and followed, hold little merit in terms of LAW(s) followed by Christians today, the new covenant(jesus' ultimate sacrifice) freed us as sinners from the laws of the old covenant.

[@toddsmith8029]

@@tofu_golem scriptural slavery doesn't allow anyone to be beaten to death or raised in slavery. I think you were thinking of a specific culture.

[@bentoth9555]

If the "ten recommendations" seems to fall short, how about the "eight I'd really rather you didn'ts?"

[@douglasmartin5492]

All your videos are so well done, its aesthetically pleasing to watch as well as having the capacity to blow my mind.

[@hunterterrell9930]

the three issues introduced at the beginning of the video, while, at first glance and out of context can seem confusing, really are all things that make sense when read into. The ancient israelites made a covenant with God, before the coming of Christ. In this covenant were hundreds of rules for man, and hundreds of promises by God. The rules included the practical, or "humans dealing with humans" such as washing your hands before you eat, and not eating rotten meat. Also there was moral and social practicality, like don't kill and don't steal, take care of widows, etc.. These helped keep a peaceful society. Then there were rules that were meant to distinguish the israelites from the pagan countries, rules such as dress codes and circumcision, symbolic things which identified the Israelites as God's people. The second kind of rules were rules on how to approach or worship God. Very specific, symbolic instructions on building a tabernacle and ceremonies. All of these rules were assigned a purpose, their purpose was as a mirror. Time and time again the new testament asks "can the law save you?" or says "if you keep the whole law, but fail in one way, you are guilty of it all." The purpose of the law was to put humans in their place. Pagans and the tower of babel were examples of people trying to reach God, instead of having faith in Him to reach them. The law, which no one could follow, highlighted the need for a saviour. Enter: Jesus. The old Israelite commandments are not binding to anyone other than the ancient people group that entered a covenant. Jesus eliminated the need for human sacrificial atonement because Jesus came as the intercessor for us all, the intermediary between us and God. All of us are "sheep lead astray" and Jesus "bore the transgressions (wrongdoings) of us all" as an eternal atonement (appeasement) As for the reason that modern Christians still follow the 10 commandments, we don't, not all of them, it just so happens that 9/10 of them were repeated in the new testament. Jesus came to fulfil the law. Jesus also kind of exploded the idea of the Sabbath, and most Christians do not hold a holy sabbath (saturday). When asked what the greatest commandment was, Jesus responded with the first commandment, more or less, by saying "Love God with all your heart, soul and strength." and then he gave a second, "love your neighbor as yourself" We learned much of the symbolic meaning of the law in the new testament. For instance with murder, "you say do not kill, but I tell you that any man who has hatred has commited murder in his heart." or with adultrey "any man that looks at a woman with lust commits adultery in his heart." learning to follow the spirit of the law above the letter. As for the new testament laws he gave, wearing gold chains was a sign of vanity, and vanity isn't good if you back up in the timothy passage, it starts by saying that people should be modest, and then gives examples how.. and you shouldn't gossip. Anyways, my point is that there are still people, myself included, that truly do believe that the entire Bible is literal and true, moral and practical. I try very hard to live by it, and I do not dress funky or do anything religious. The entire misconception is this: People believe that for God to love them they have to do stuff to appease Him. The whole message of the Bible is that there is nothing that you can do to work your way to heaven. "For it is by Grace (undeserved favor, mercy) that you are saved, through Faith, and not of works...) -Ephesians. I hope that helped, if you have any questions let me know

[@JonnesTT]

I think the divine command Theory is just a moral free card, "you don't have to think, god/s will do it for you".

[@EvansRowan123]

Sure, maybe, if you don't count all the thinking that immediately follows about the nature of God's will and such.

[@EvansRowan123]

@Dabi Flame_Quirk I think that was meant to be a response to a comment that's since been deleted.

[@ryanc1045]

I hate to be that guy, but clearly you never heard of the headache that is theology

[@Monochromicornicopia]

This problem predates the Christian religion by over 400 years.

[@Monochromicornicopia]

Anthony L Very few people read the description

[@oskarhenriksen]

He basically says so in the vid - what with crediting Plato and all

[@jaxup1985]

I mean, to be frank there are many problems with Christianity, but this one is simply answered in the text. God cannot command anything that is sinful, as he is the personified opposite of sin, whether you call that righteousness or something else. In that way he is not omnipotent. This is the reason God must turn away from Christ on the cross, because Jesus has become sin personified when he dies. Also, God stops Abraham from murdering his son so I think that's a pretty bad example.

[@Monochromicornicopia]

Oskar Henriksen Very few people know when Plato lived

[@Monochromicornicopia]

jaxup1985 You're ignoring the point of the video. If everything god says is good *because god says it*...

[@lambusaab]

I am an agnostic. Whenever I'm aggravated ,I hear myself saying OH GOD. It just feels good to cry out for someone.

[@alexmonte6371]

Well done with the explanation of the Euthyphro, my favorite text in philosophy!

[@tarababcock]

NOOOOO! I'm on the last one! Make more!

[@aperson22222]

There was an edition of the Bible in the Jacobean Era that included the typo "Thou shalt commit adultery."

[@musiclover762]

I'm so glad this series is still going.

[@avb5335]

The BEST video series! Thank you for all you guys do.

[@legoinsomniac]

Nice Kurzgezagt reference in the thought bubble.

[@90benj]

I would really really love a short series, maybe 2-3 episodes, in this Crash Course for Seneca. I read many things from him when I was too young to understand, but he stuck with me ever since.

[@johnarbuckle2619]

Matze K. ++++++++++

[@007xhejms]

Matze K. +

[@teragoldenmoon4092]

Matze K. try searching for the school of life vid on seneca on KZbin

[@johnarbuckle2619]

I love TSOL

[@zmail8566]

Seneca was certainly remarkable, although it would be odd for them to devote so much time to a particular thinker since they didn't do such a thing in this series. Although I second a 3 part episode on Stoicism in general, or at least one episode

[@noelam4128]

Thanks, this answers a lot of questions. Studying this in ethics!

[@TheMonarchAmathen]

I’ve spent some time looking at religious philosophy and I’ve come up with a pretty solid solution to the issues he has mentioned. The issue is how people view god especially from a biblical perspective

[@ammonal01]

I absolutely love this series.

[@happyturtle8653]

I really loved this video cant wait to do my reasearches on the theories and all ...but moreover cant wait for more videos of this caregory ...Thank you so much crash course💕✌🏾️

[@dragonsdraughts8382]

Nice Kurzgesagt reference in the "Though Bubble." My two favorite channels on KZbin!

[@LifeInspector]

Thank you so much, Crash Course! I am teaching this next week, and this video is gonna be great to help my kids understand it!

[@alinasharipova7180]

thank you so much for this video this made me undestand my whole philosophy course in 5 mins!!!

[@AdamService]

I'm pretty atheist but "The Ten Recommendations" does actually sound pretty good to me on about all levels.

[@bo0tywizard798]

You think someone should be punished for thoughtcrime? That's pretty radical...

[@ASLUHLUHCE]

Half of it it about religion lul

[@journeyman171]

I like this video. It is worth mentioning, though, that the handling of those biblical references made them seem ridiculous. Context is king. Some mild investigation into theology reduces the absurdity. Of course reasonable people could still disagree, but wrenching excerpts from ancient texts, heck even some modern ones, can make sensible things seem ridiculous.

[@Jotari]

“One day when I was a young boy on holiday in Uberwald I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree, and even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.”

[@joshtroufield]

"God did" - Divine Command Theorist, DJ Khalid

[@heymrhimr]

So here's a challenge to theists (not a troll I want to genuinely know this for the sake of argument). How do you convince people that it's rational to believe in a divine entity and that you're right about it?

[@spencersessions]

I can't convince a single person what is right and wrong, I can't take that "agency" from someone to find out for themselves if something is truthful or if it is false. This is a principle God lives by, He will not slap you in the face with the truth (hence taking away your agency). This life is a small portion of eternity and we are asked to "Learn of Him" and seek his council. As we are obedient to his will we come to understand his doctrine and what each piece of the puzzle means. Its like a massive puzzle and we are born colorblind, as you come to know him we begin to see the color and purpose of life, all the pieces begin to make so much more sense if we desire to look at things though "His" eyes. Also, our bodies aren't perfect vehicles to understand all the pieces since we forget which piece goes where so we continually try and try and have faith that there is a "solution" to the answer, AND THERE IS A SOLUTION. We aren't intended to know ALL things in this life, but we can figure out a good enough portion of the puzzle where we feel confident we know what it's supposed to look like.... but it takes massive effort and work on our part and the F word. Faith. I know you hate the word but sorry, it's the first thing we need before looking at the puzzle. I won't have all the answers but I'll try as best I can to figure it out.

[@jakovvodanovic9165]

It is just a being you can choose to believe in or not, but I think I would go crazy if there wasn't some justice system after death. It is great also always to have someone to talk to.

[@elanmorint]

Spencer Sessions I have a debate tip for you. When you're trying to convince someone about something - anything - DON'T do it by referring to other things they don't agree with. That's not going to work.

[@bensjammin9]

crippling sexual tension There's no level of rationality nor any evidence for or against the existence of a deity. The nature of metaphysics/deities is that which is outside our frame of reference/understanding. Therefore, no evidence nor logic can properly argue either side of the argument on God's existence. I choose (attempt) to believe, but I cannot justify it. Nor could I justify not believing in God (I've been there as well). The only decent attempt at justifying/rationalizing either side of the argument, that I have seen, is Pascal's Wager (however shallow of a theory it is).

[@bensjammin9]

It's a truly difficult topic, and it truly comes right down to faith. If you do not wish to believe, I will not try to change your mind. Neither the theist nor atheist is capable of providing any actual evidence in their own favor--as I said, due to the nature of the issue. This sounds like a cop out, but this is honestly how the debate on God goes. No matter how many religious verses or feelings/experiences the theist provides, and no matter how many scientific figures the atheist provides, there will still be no progress for either party. While this has not provided a clear cut answer, I hope it helps you and anyone else understand the core of the problem better. :-)

[@PcGamerHero]

Loved the Easter egg in the thought bubble. For anyone who did not get it - look at the 3 pictures on the right of the window.

[@MrSigmaSharp]

This was the greatest video of the series yet. The part that talks about god changing his opinion is just like the rise of a new religion and that how do we know what god said. Fantastic guys.

[@kevinhuang8763]

I was disappointed that your description of Plato was not ""fun to play with, not to eat"

[@eekeey]

This video reminds me of "The Grand Inquisitor." It's an awesome read.

[@Krotas_DeityofConflicts]

Brothers Karamazov itself is amongst the greatest novel, imp😄😁

[@shaterproofblosm]

Lol when did CC get 5 Million subs? Congratulations!!! WOOO!!! CRASH COURSE!!!!! I really like you guys :)

[@bethgadamali9127]

this episode definately hits me right in the feels; this is what has been bothering me about religion for a long time

[@dothinkfree]

In regards to the Euthyphro Problem I believe the 2 questions are indeed two ways of asking the same thing. The question attempts to prove that the reason or cause of God's commands must exist outside of God but the key to answer is to understand the nature of God. So the answer to Euthyphro's first question is yes because "God's commands" permits and enables "right actions" which results in harmonious existence with God which by definition is "good". The answer to Euthyphro's second question is yes because "right actions" result in "good" in that they permit harmonious existence with God and harmonious existence with God require "God's commandments". This is made clear when you break down the meaning of these 4 ideas. Firstly, God is NOT the supreme being WITHIN existence but is the ESSENCE of existence. Secondly, "good" is anything that is in harmony (consistent) with God's intentions/will and since God is the essence of reality all things consistent with God's will do indeed exist. Thus "good" is same as "existence" or "that which continually exists". Evil is the absense of good which is to say that evil is non-existence or "anything" transitioning into non-existenence (ie, decaying, diminishing, dying). Thirdly, a command from God not only grants the permission/authorization to perform the command but also the ABILITY to perform it. This is because God is in perfect harmony with Himself and thus He would not (1) will/intend for something to be and then (2) permit/authorize for that something to be but then (3) NOT enable/empower that something to be since this would be a contradiction on God's part. So when God commands us to do something he authorizes and empowers us to fulfill that command. Fourthly a "right action" is simply a "good action" which is an action that permits harmonious existence with God and thus continued existence period. So when "God commands" He permits and enables "right action" which results in continued, harmonious existence with God which, by definition, is "good". So again, the answer to Euthyphro's first question is yes because "God's commands" permits and enables "right actions" which results in harmonious existence with God which by definition is "good". The answer to Euthyphro's second question is yes because "right actions" result in "good" in that they permit harmonious existence with God and harmonious existence with God require "God's commandments".

[@JeshikaKazeno]

It is nice to see a mystic on here. :D

[@dothinkfree]

Hmm, what makes you say I'm a mystic?

[@boblorna5933]

You have said this far more eloquently than I could have, +Do Think. Thank you.

[@christiandauz3742]

Thank you for your circular reasoning

[@dothinkfree]

All rational reasoning is circular reasoning. Point conceded.

[@jriceblue]

I'm re-watching this today, and noticed for the first time that the Thought Bubble segment has Kurzgesagt (In A Nutshell) birds as paintings on the wall when God commands the faithful to reverse the 10 commandments. Awesome!

[@Waniou137]

Everyone's busy arguing about religion and I'm just here like "Wow, Euthyphro sounds like a really hard word to say correctly. Good work, Hank!"

[@cas_thefriendlyghost2156]

Loved the In A Nutshell picture frames in the thought bubble around five minutes, forty seconds. My two favorite yotubers together.

[@SealMeall]

What's crazy is people ignoring these collections of logic by no legit/valid counter arguments, and expect people around them to take them seriously; as on the same legitimacy of scientific belief or the philosophical approaches towards our reality.

[@visionplant]

When I was a kid I always heard my mother say "what's right is right and what isn't right, isn't"

[@stiimuli]

That's one of those explanations parents give kids when they don't really know the answer =P

[@MikkoHaavisto1]

Either ignorant or lazy. Why don't they just say "I don't know and you have to find out yourself."

[@Nilguiri]

Not very helpful at all, really.

[@visionplant]

Indeed. But I don't recall it ever being an answer to something.

[@TheOtherNeutrino]

That's pretty much a tautology.

[@gFamWeb]

I'm just going to make a comment. I'm not going to start a debate by making some bold claim. I'm not going to participate in any of the other debates. I'm just here to say hi. Hi!

[@gFamWeb]

Pan Raphael hello back!

[@gFamWeb]

Christian Flaherty hello back, again!

[@fep_ptcp883]

Noah Gregory your name is Noah, you must be a stupid believer who takes as true the myths and legends the of the old testament

[@gFamWeb]

fep_ ptcp Hello! How are you?

[@gFamWeb]

Crystle Ninja Please do not start a debate in this thread.

[@Fox1223]

Thank you, love your show!

[@sengkai9144]

I listen to Dear Hank and John. I know your voice long before I know your face. But one listen is enough to clue me in who you are. Thanks for all your work. Best wishes to you and John in 2024.

[@sebili0n99]

pretty sure those laws (deutoromaty, leviticus, etc) are ceremorial laws given to the peopel of isreal for where the messiah will come from, and when jesus said he came not to abolish but to fufil, he meant that we dont have to follow the ceremonial laws, but the moral laws (ten commandments) are still applicable. im pretty sure thats it.

[@jonleary4107]

I think the thing I find most interesting is that the videos do a great job of painting a very simple, clear scenario and approaching it from both sides. But when reading the comments, there's a major element of additional assumptions that were never even a part of the scenario to begin with. I'm not to trying to criticize people for diving in and exploring the problem, but if you try to include all things in your argument, you effectively argue about all things at once. One of the biggest strengths of the series is breaking out questions and beliefs to be considered individually instead of throwing everything into a pile of confusion. Although, I suppose it could be seen as a measure of success that people have taken the original scenario and stretched it so far in every direction.

[@Elfos64]

I was just talking about this to someone last week. If I have a follow-up this week, I can now direct them to this video.

[@PaperPlateClorox]

THIS SHOULD HAVE MORE VIEWS.

[@danny6276]

" I AM THAT I AM" except u forgot one thing, God is the standard of morality. Morality or Goodness doesn't come outside of God. One of the common repeated phrases is God is Good. It doesn't mean that there's this standard of Good which he meets. HE JUST IS. " I AM THAT I AM"

[@danny6276]

www.google.com/amp/s/gotquestions.org/amp/divine-command-theory.html here's more info on why this doesn't apply to Christians

[@Amigo21189]

So, horn one.

[@danny6276]

Jachra first of all, the first thing that shows that u guys don't know anything about the Christian God, is that you always picture him as a old man in the sky. Totally inaccurate. Secondly, the link I posted shows a clear difference. And thirdly, according to the Bible, the law of God is imputed into our hearts, and I think that's called a conscience. And fourthly, the reason I said, "I AM THAT I AM" is very significant if u wanna know how the Christian God, doesn't fall in that dilemma. And Ik u don't believe the Bible, and probably thinks every it says it foolish, but at least don't say it teaches something it doesn't. For example picturing God as a Greek god, with grey hair. Idk where yall getting that picture from

[@Amigo21189]

Danny Dalmacy Look, I understand that this is pretty hard to engage with, and I'm _really trying_ to play nice here on a Nerdfighteria channel, but if you'd rather condescend to the effigy of me you've just built rather than actually talk to _me_, then I don't really need to be here, do I? I really don't care about the Renaissance paintings of old bearded men on golden thrones. It's really so completely irrelevant to the discussion that frankly I'm gobsmacked as to why you even brought it up. I'm even more confused as to why you think I have such a view of (your) God when literally the first word of my comment to Jachra is (a misspelling of) "no." I addressed gotquestion's assertion of a difference in my second post, and explain what's wrong with it, and why it doesn't solve the problem. I even broke it down to a specific instance with which we can engage and discuss. Skipping your third point because neither does it seem particularly relevant nor do I care. You and I can dig into that one as well, if you want to do so. But fourth, and this one seems to offer another chance to actually intellectually engage; What do you believe that "אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה" means to this conversation? What does it imply about morality and ethics, and what does it assert about God's nature? Does it mean that, because God says that He is Himself, therefore morality is grounded in His being Himself? Should one interpret it as God claiming to be the Ground of All Being, as Tillich asserts? Lastly, as to saying the Bible teaches thing that it doesn't: What part of the Book tells us that morality is grounded in His nature? Is this an explicit statement made in the Bible, or must it be interpreted from a passage's (or several passages') poetic, philosophical, or metaphorical meaning?

[@Alexaflohr]

So you're going with the second horn then?

[@corenlavolpe2676]

Strange, in my religion it's PREFERRED if women wear braids. And it's mandatory to wear a braid during prayer, too. Really interesting...

[@aaronsmith5864]

Cura Kira Coren which religion is that if you don't mind my asking

[@Amina-vy6yx]

Aaron Smith braidarastianism

[@aaronsmith5864]

Oh yeah I've heard of that Bob Marley was one right

[@Amina-vy6yx]

Aaron Smith lol no I made that religion up. Bob Marley was a Rastafarian.

[@shanachayadavison5857]

That is really interesting! I really do love how different cultures and religious can develop different rules of morality and status quos. Like, in my religion, we're told never to take the word of a teacher on its own, and taught to question everything no matter the ethos involved. When I started being exposed to different religions and cultures, and saw students waiting patiently at the end of a lesson to privately ask a teacher a question or express a dilemma instead of just asking publically for the teacher to defend a stance... it was really weird for me, but also cool. Made me feel like some super spy or scientist observing some other realm.

[@BadlyOrganisedGenius]

Excellent episode guys :)

[@hampsterdanny]

I can't wait till all the episodes are out and I can binge watch all of them

[@_amberdoll]

I feel he forgot to include that God also claims to be forever unchanging so the 1st one is correct because he will never change what is considered good.

[@elliearmitage2222]

However, there are passages in the Bible where it seems that God changes. For example, when Moses is on Mount Sinai ( Exodus 32) and the people are below commuting idolatry, God says that he will destroy them for doing so because they turned away from him in such little amount of time. However, Moses pleads him not to and then God relents and does not kill them. Is this not an example of God changing his mind? Sorry this reply is three years late, just curious to see your response.

[@ceruleancenturion]

@@elliearmitage2222 In all seriousness, that could just mean that God has a thing for messing with his prophets. That's a funny thought, God having a dark sense of humor.

[@solomon.powell]

​@@elliearmitage2222 Not sure if this will help, but I'll try. Changing who you are as a person, changing what is right and wrong, and changing your course of action are three different things. Of these 3 different kinds of "changes", I wonder which change occurs in Exodus 32?

[@noorbadran5563]

@@elliearmitage2222 I think the point in this story is God's mercy, He knew Moses would ask for mercy and that God would agree, I think he just wanted to point out that what they were doing was wrong but he was giving them a chance

[@robloxgod4209]

@@noorbadran5563 If God knew that Moses is going to ask for mercy then why do it if he knows what's gonna happen.

[@ldohlj1]

5:40 , "In a nutshell (kurzgusekt???)" channel icons back there on the wall

[@dayswillburn777]

The way you can answer some of these questions, like any book, starts with quoting more than just one line from each chapter...i was raised on the Bible, though I don't really read it anymore. But I can say that it's easy to take things out of context

[@ihartevil]

i love the leviticus trap thx for this awesomely ha bisky vid i love this a lot and i am glad you are trying to make these videos better

[@daniellbondad6670]

5:06-Look.Kurzgesagt on the picture.

[@BrownHairL]

4:57 Love the Kurz Gesagt frames.

[@kostantinos2297]

I just noticed Schrödinger's cat in the opening. You now have my absolute trust.

[@mattlambert3118]

I love the reverse ten commandment part, "kill, steal, commit adultery, and so forth..." Add in honoring parents and false witness and you have all the commandments that have anything even arguably to do with morality.

[@yasminebidiga8469]

Im pretty sure that most of what you said (the braids, the colthes...)is based on the old bible and not the new testament with the venue of Jésus, and where God loosened Up most of his rules, prmotting tolerance, because he founded that the most important thing was the human hearts and not their culture, coming from the saying : if someone slaps you, give your other chick and pray for his soul.

[@MIron992]

Nice kurzgesagt reference in the thought bubble

[@nickylewis6285]

I feel like crashcourse must have been eavesdropping on me in junior high XD Great video!

[@applmak]

qq: A few times during this series you've referenced Hume, and done good credit to his theories and ideas. Are there widely accepted counter-arguments?

[@RanbirDas]

I like this series but after this episode I'm just curious why is the syllabus purely Greco Roman and Old Testament-ish, there were other older civilizations with records of great philosophical works completely detached from these ideas, is there a reason they are not covered other than it might be some work to research? Middle Eastern, Indian, Indigenous American, African, Buddhist, East Asian come to mind, I understand it might be because of the language barrier as in the last few episodes the ideas like meta-ethics or aesthetics are modern English words themselves hence easier to grasp, but then maybe label the series as Western philosophy :)

[@JeshikaKazeno]

I would love to see time devoted to issues surrounding karma, arguments for and against various balances of chaos and order (I think of Hinduism and maybe also Norse mythology), etc.

[@northeastoperations]

Dilemma: two buttons meme

[@jose_500]

haha this was a great video for someone with experience on the concepts, but really short if you're novice, I think. those are really serious horns to mull over! this is easily a couple hours lecture!

[@ysabarro333]

Great timing.

[@DerickTherving]

The biblical new testament verse about chains and other stuff you just took out of context.

[@bkylecannon]

Let us assume he did. Doesn't matter. One bad argument doesn't make the other side correct.

[@DerickTherving]

Morton's Fork I never said it did, nor did I present an argument for divine command theory.

[@whichever-godyou-prefer1640]

there it is! the excuse for everything you took it out of context. When is it in context when you agree with it?

[@futuregreatestpresidentale1221]

Let's do a little survey of the CrashCourse audience. Click "View all Replies" to participate.

[@futuregreatestpresidentale1221]

Thumb up if you're a theist.

[@futuregreatestpresidentale1221]

Thumb up if you're an atheist.

[@wojtekimbier]

"I don't know so I guess I'm neither"

[@danjoshmass]

"I don't know" is technically atheism, since that means you don't actively believe in God. It's just passive atheism.

[@futuregreatestpresidentale1221]

Yeah guess I shoulda included agnostic in there. Oh well.

[@corensam]

This is so awesome

[@0xBADFECE5]

CC Philosophy is destroying religious dogma, politely, gently, and effectively. I love it.

[@eruno_]

My religion doesn't really have a book of morals. The most important thing is harmony with others & nature. Also clean soul.

[@benrifkin1981]

ユーネポ / Yuunepo but what if other people are evil? and nature is arbitrary? If you were a single celled organism on Europa you might have a different idea of ‘harmony’ and ‘clean soul’.

[@MegaKoutsou]

In the intro, the font of the word "Theseus" on the ship changes fonts between shots. God, I have way too much time in my hands

[@nataly9047]

It would be nice to have some reading recommendations along with the chapter

[@via1408]

I'm not a big one for philosophy, but the topics in this video are intriguing.

[@ktkatte6791]

I'm Christian, and the simple fact is God is good, and goodness stems from God. if he orders you to kill your son, or frame your father for murder, that is good. The thing is, God is not a whimsical Loki-like God that does this. Abraham's obedience was being tested. The shift in divine nature came from the sacrifice of Christ. This is beside the point however, euthyphro's problem simply assumed a very... well... Athenian interpretation of Godhood. And yes, it rips apart the greek pantheon. The God of Jews, Christians, and Muslims is a very different being than what Plato imagined in this story. If he's omnipotent, all knowing, your creator, and your savior, then as far as you're concerned you can only accept that goodness comes from Him and He is good. The problem makes assumptions about the nature of Godhood that died with the greek and roman pantheons.

[@willcowan7678]

Testing someones obedience does not make ordering murder a good thing. Furthermore, to give us free will, and then seek obedience, which is tested by acts of murder, is pretty deranged.

[@ktkatte6791]

sorry dude, but if there's a god, and he knows more about what is, was, and will be, and he commands you to do something, you do not have the knowledge, right, or position to make a value judgement where you can claim to know better than God what is right or wrong, simply due to the fact you will always have less information than God.

[@ktkatte6791]

If God is good, good flows from him. If man makes the choice to defy, deviate from, or otherwise go against God, that is evil, he is not the source, we are. Soooory buddy

[@icy1260]

What if your parents are abusive how do you respect them

[@shichika4888]

Rylan Patry Then they aren't obeying God therefore you have the right to protect yourself.

[@stiimuli]

But according to the bible God not only allows child abuse but even commands it to extremes, instructing followers in how to sell their own daughters into slavery and even that unruly children should be stoned to death.

[@shichika4888]

stiimuli That's on the old testament, right? Give me the verse.

[@shichika4888]

Roni N It is? I didn't know that. Give me the verse.

[@shichika4888]

Roni N I see. But that's not child abuse if you ask me.

[@mross250]

I appreciate the fact that you guys don't completely trash religion like many other channels would good job crash course :)

[@AndyWebster232]

I love the shout out to kurzgesagt at 4:57.

[@K4R3N]

"figure out morality for ourselves"👍

[@anaselassal3322]

Nope.. bad idea.. very bad idea.. Who is to design a moral code?.. Who is to restrain anyone from doing anything and why?

[@photosinensis]

Hey, Hank. Where do you get your morels? Yes, I mean the edible fungi.

[@87ericmartinez]

Hope to see some Kierkegaard in the next few to help solve the problems you dressed today. Especially to counter any Hegel or Kant you might purpose.

[@ldohlj1]

Great video

[@theheartlessgenius9067]

You do know that those quotes in Leviticus aren't referring to normal circumstances. They are referring to pagan Cannanite practices that were disrespectful to God.

[@MrBobor1]

And now they aren't?

[@noahardoin8119]

philopateer atef the Levitical law was made for a specific time people at a specific time. it was made during a time when the Israelites were still transitioning into the promised land, but the people who lived there prior to the Israelites had cultural practices that were very wrong. so in order to keep the Israelites a holy nation of priests he gave them the Levitical law which was very strict but kept the Israelites from adopting practices that would've kept the nation from being holy. We are not under the Levitical law because we are not promised to be a nation of holy priests. these rules are also no longer needed because with Christ we are made holy.

[@aaronsmith5864]

The Heartless Genius so wait all powerful god was offended by people braiding thier hair seems very petty

[@daniellassander]

I think he mostly brought them up because they are not the usual references we get to hear to the divine command theory. We are usually given exmples from the ten commandments or some other commandment from the bible. Personally i really look forward to the next video, i am personally an atheist but i really want to listen to what both sides have to say on the issue as i dont think that i am perfect and i dont understand or know things perfectly and thus i get some things wrong and the best way to be able to be right on things is to try to listen to both sides of an argument. Nor do i have anything against religious people ive known many from various different religions and i consider the vast majority of them as good and smart people.

[@noahardoin8119]

BenWillis well because God is infinitely holy he is the only person who has the right to be in love with himself. So he has a pretty big ego, but he isn't wrong for having it.

[@Aziraphale686]

I admire your restraint when tackling these theistic claims. It's easy to dismiss theistic arguments as the intellectual garbage that they are, but hopefully your more reasoned approach will help some people start to question.

[@RM-uy3yp]

Crash source saving my life 😀

[@leah6000lk]

1:59 Hank throwing shade xD