Divinity Original Sin 2 review: An RPG by the creators of Baldur's Gate 3. Worth playing in 2021?

[@danm3570]

This game is so hard first time through, but after once through you can play on harder difficulty. So many ways you can play this game like using those spells using more than one type of magic-skill. Only way I can actually complain about anything in this game is the amount of time combat usually takes and the massive amount of time you have to put in to try everything. This was one of the best crpgs ever, BG3 why not

[@sigzil1985]

This is the first crpg i've loved since fallout 1. I have to hard disagree with you about the music (the most subjective category I know). Its absolutely amazing for me: the rich tonal quality, that brilliant main theme that gets stuck in my head for days, I love it all. Its like 9.5/10 for the music imho. Nice video btw, I like the way you explain your opinions properly :)

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Thanks man! I think the music would be great as a standalone soundtrack, but it's a bit overproduced and overdone. Now that you mention Fallout. One thing that I like about Fallout is how the music seamlessly blends into the ambiance in a way that it sounds like it's coming from your surroundings. Here it's like a layer of epic music played on top of your adventure. Again... very cool tone-consistent music that I could listen too while I drive around or jog, but a little bit on the nose. Thank you for leaving a comment!

[@tubalord3693]

Sebille is an interesting one because she is very passive aggressive in the early game but overtime especially if you’re Romeos her her character basically makes a complete 180 I was originally going to Romance lohse but when Sebille broke down and started telling you the story of her first kill and how she was mine control by the scar on her face being forced to kill a Young woman and describing how brutal and traumatic it was for her Embracing and crying into your shoulder it was enthralling

[@travisbrimstone9619]

6 months late, but this game is pound for pound the best modern CRPG barring maybe disco elysium for me, but YES absolutely larian should get the license. Btw can't believe your channel is so small, you're very well spoken and entertaining.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Thanks man! Nicest words I've heard/read this week.

[@Bovium]

Honestly, as cool as it is to see BG make a comeback. I would much rather the universe of the Divinity series. I'm not a huge DnD person so that's just my opinion. It does suck knowing we wont get any Divinity titles for a very long time.

[@Saturn2888]

I thought this as well. I want Baldur's Gate 3, but I also want DoS3. I like the classless nature of Divinity: Original Sin 2, and its worldbuilding. Lots of interesting things I've love to see explored in the next entry. On the other hand, BG2 was one of my favorite games when it released, and BG3 is a super interesting addition. Having already played 60+ hours of the early access in a couple months, BG3 is exactly what I expected. It's far more mature and feels more like a Bladur's Gate game with Divinity Original Sin 2's combat.

[@ecklipz3364]

@@Saturn2888 seeing this comment I have just realized how much I’ve played divinity. Because your 60 hours in a couple of months is a lot, and I have 80 in the last 2 weeks, I really should take a break

[@dtuitt79]

My guess is that DOS3 will come out in 2030, unless they have already started pre-development with a smaller team. If that is the case, maybe 2028.

[@vgm_central]

this game got me into all the rpg stuff in the first place. i usually didnt played games like this before. but i admit it took me three tries before i got hooked. mainly because i was just overwhelmed with the stuff you could do and all those mechanics that happen all at once. once i got into it and finally beat it i can say that this is one of the best video game experiences i ever had. and i have over 500 games in my steam library alone. the best part is that i played it with a friend. we used to meet at his place with our pc's and laptops and spend weekends on it. great times

[@Kashkadavr_]

This is one of my favorite game and I agree with almost everything that was said in the video. But the music? "Kinda ok" for music in this game... jesus. This is big oof. Just never trust your judgment of game music, for the future 🥲

[@jmkhenka]

I bought DOS2 a month ago and im sold. Was skeptical at first due to the art.. but now i love it. Combat is intresting and quite easy when you learn the basics. Thats why tactician mode exists and then combat feels like the first time you played it, hard. But as you learn the game you learn the importaint things. the skill system is intresting but quite difficult to grasp. Why take Warfare instead of 2 handed for combat? etc. some things are not plainly explained. Skillbooks are another issue i feel, atleast in the first act. Makes it a but harder to re-roll characters in act2 as changing skillbase leaves you without skills to use (mostly magic).

[@nigazallucard]

This game.... This game... Its Just amazing. I played for months, so deep, lots of thing to do....my only complain Its not just about the puzzles but the lack of cinematics, a more modern aproach like dao, but we have ALL that in BG3. Brother, excelent, excellent work. Thank you so much for remind me ALL amazing moments I had in the game.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Thank you for leaving comments! I was o.k. with there not being any cinematics. Cut scenes are slide-y but they worked for me.

[@andrewwilliams8058]

I never player BG1 or 2, and never played D:OS2. But I absolutely adore Balders Gate 3. As a massive fan of D&D table top it scratches that itch. Even in early access it is Larian know what they are doing and I can't wait for the full release.

[@matgaming79]

Great to hear that pal. I replayed BG1 EE lately, it aged quite well, you should play it! (about to replay BG2 before BG3 come out too - they both are great games, and D:OS2 is a masterpiece in another universe)

[@Cannotbetamed1]

That was a great and very thorough review. This is one of the modern games that rivals my old favourites for sure.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Your comment made my day! thank you!

[@matgaming79]

Would gave it to them right away, The awesome combat system will be an awesome add-on the the BG franchise. (not to mention the great writing - as far as I’m concern they could as well stick some Larian humor in BG3, I hope they did!)

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

DoS2 is one of my favorite games of all time. The only problem I really have with it, is that it is a little bit unbalanced and gets too easy alter on, if you are a completionist and min-maxer like me. Once you are half-way through act 2 (my favorite act by far), you have become so powerful that even on higher difficulties most enemies get steam-rolled. The balance between classes is also a bit of a problem. At least when I last played it (which was some time ago to be fair), there really was no point doing magical damage at all, due to how armor and magic armor works and how strong physical damage was. The thing DoS does the best imo is just user-experience and convenience. Stuff like free unlimited reskills, the teleporter-pyramids, easy to manage inventory and the ability to move around the camera how you please are amazing. And all those features just get better with multiplayer, the teleporters, shared global inventory and free-camera movement allowing you to split up and freely explore the map, while still always being in contact and never being too far off from joining your buddies, should they get in trouble. Simply amazing.

[@alfausdemfernsehen1564]

I just had the best time of my gaming life with DoS2 on hardmode, first playthrough... what a perl

[@debrickashaw9387]

I have my criticism of Dos2 (such as the inventory system) but it is still one of my top5 games of all time

[@Woupsme]

Mods can help with the inventory on PC - although it shouldn't be necessary. Rather a poor backpack than poor story, combat or level design :)

[@debrickashaw9387]

@@Woupsme yeah its a minor gripe but after 5 playthroughs it is getting more and more annoying.

[@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065]

I really like DoS2 story tho, i don't have any criticism for it, i like it as is.

[@boram1760]

to me there is a huge disconnect between a Larian rpg and Baldur's gate rpg and yeah, I would have never given them BG3 licence. It would probably go to Obsidian. With that said, I'm still excited for BG3 since I'm really craving for a new game set in the Forgotten Realms, and the early access chapter is really good.

[@joyfulfishman5445]

Great video, thank you for making this! My favorite game of all time right here 😁

[@YeOldEntertainment]

I'm the one who thanks you for watching the video.

[@JBrandonMercer123]

He's wrong about the music (it's awesome) and the game never crashed for me a single time in 500+ hours. Otherwise, a pretty solid review.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

In your opinion it's awesome. In mine, it's got awesome moments, and some that are just good. Quit the "you're wrong" because you think differently.

[@alfredofernandezalvarez8856]

Have you played the new Pathfinder WOTR? I enjoyed the EA from BG3 but Owlcat really stands out right now and would have been the only other real contender for BG3 IMO. Good times for RPG lovers!

[@YeOldEntertainment]

That will be my next game but I am VERY cautious about it because there were many things I disliked a great deal about Pathfinder Kingmaker.

[@alfredofernandezalvarez8856]

​@@YeOldEntertainment Your enjoyment of Wrath will depend on what things you particularly disliked about Kingmaker. I personally liked Pathfinder very much despite its brokenness and the Kingdom Management part, but I was already a fan of the Adventure Path. I would say that Wrath improves over Kingmaker quite a bit, and I enjoyed having turn-based combat from release. I hope you have fun with it! By the way, I just finished your Road to BG3 series and I am installing my old copy of IWD2 as we speak. It is the only IE game I didn't get to finish but I am looking forward to giving it a chance.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

@@alfredofernandezalvarez8856 There were many things that I didn't like about Pathfinder Kingmaker but the worst offender was the story. At times it could be the worst version of modern day activism (and the worst version is that which follows the anti-such-group route rather than the pro-whatever-cause-they-support route). It was like Siege of Dragonspear in many respects... and that is not great.

[@ryandude3]

Yes, Larian deserves to work on BG3. Hard disagree about the music. I think it's amazing! A good combination of epic, jaunty, and period appropriate.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

It's a little bit overdone to my taste, especially in locations were it's supposed to be the music that's actually playing (Inns and pubs for example).

[@ryandude3]

I can see that, especially when I think back to the calmer BG1 and BG2 ambient themes in those locations. I still dig it though. Whenever I listen to the OST on its own, casual listeners have taken a liking to it too, though I admit that doesn't mean the music fits the moments in the game.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

@@ryandude3 Oh, as a standalone OST, it is fantastic! The game takes its music seriously too. You being able to choose your predominating instrument? I think that's awesome.

[@Morte287]

It doesn’t even say class when you are creating your character, it says build preset…

[@Lwilibert]

I enjoyed DOSII`s combat, it felt pretty intuitive and varied enough, but the story just didn`t grab me.... at all.. Baldur`s gate story is something I enjoy a lot so i hope they get better writers for the third one.

[@jwlafferty]

You love all the fire barrels. Like everywhere?

[@predictabowl]

Firt very nice review, I found it very useful. As for your question: would I given Larian the License for BG3? This not so simple for me. tldr: I'm torn about that, but I came to a point that I just don't care anymore. Full reply: First I do love Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, I still have the original boxes that I bought when they released in the ninenties. When BG3 was announced I still hadn't play DOS1 nor DOS2, but I owned those games in my back catalog because everyone was saying how awesome those are, so I was happy that a competent studio would make BG3. Then I played DOS1, and for me it was an awful experience, to this day I haven't finished yet because it's such a lackluster game, I tried hard to keep going, but after 92 hours of play I was struggling to find a reason to continue. Random generated loots, uninteresting plot, flat companions, bad leveling, bartering and inventory systems, the combat itself became stale after having covered the battlefied in elemental areas on each and every encounter (and who was the genius who tought that a pet pal perk was a good idea?). That's when I started to doubt about Larian. I own DOS2 but I haven't played it yet, DOS1 disappointed me so much that now I don't think I want to waste so many hours in the sequel, and that's why I'm looking for every reviews about DOS2, and that's why I ended up here. So far I'm seeing that DOS2 have many of the flaws of its predecessor, and honestly I think the armor system is dumb (Mass Effect 2 used a very similar armor system and it was bad, that's why they refined it in ME3, but the DOS2 seems even worse than ME2), so my intention is to try it and play it with a total conversion mod (problably after I replayed PoE2 for the nth-time). So we end with BG3, which uses D&D 5e rules and I'm not a fan of that, at all, but looks likes Larian is changing rules to adapt it better to a videogame, which I believe is a good choice. Since the majority of people are chanting praise for DOS2 I suppose it was a good commercial decision to let them make BG3. Personally I do think that using the name BG3 is just aimed to get the old fans onboard, as it does seem that it will have nothing to do with BG1 and 2, it doesn't feel a sequel at all, and so I will judge it based on its own merits alone. This new game will be a D&D game made by Larian, the fact that it will be called Baldur's Gate 3 is totally incosequential.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Thanks for leaving a comment! As for DOS2, it doesn't hurt to give it a shot of you already own it.

[@mondwow]

really good video, but just 1 point to add, they added the option to share the bartering skill between the party, it was bugged when they added it but maybe they fixed it. it's part of the gift bags and i think it disables the achievements but the option is there

[@erickvoidwalker3978]

Larian can handle bg3, divinity os 2 was a masterpiece and i trust bg3 will be one too

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Perhaps not a masterpiece. The things that were annoying or that they didn't get quite right, brought the fun factor down and the overall quality of the product down a bit. But it does have the bones of a masterpiece --> Combat is A...ma...zing, character creation was clever and perfect for the kind of gameplay they were going for, companions were awesome and production values are far superior to most other current gen isometric RPGs. So yes, I can see where you coming from and I think they have what it takes to do something good with the BG license. Whether they nail it or not... we'll see.

[@JBrandonMercer123]

@@YeOldEntertainment You're wrong. It's a masterpiece. I have 500 hours in the game and never crashed once. Sorry it wasn't that way for you.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

@@JBrandonMercer123 That was my experience with it. Crashing is not what, in my book, makes this game not a masterpiece, it's the way in which it handles trade, inventory management and item rewards for killing bosses and completing quests. In addition to an unnecessarily convoluted story and issues with the pacing. That was my experience and it's not "wrong" just like your was different and it isn't wrong either.

[@8684LYFE]

While I feel like DOS 2 lacked the narrative/setting polish when compared to the other games in this series, and had some baffling design choices (armor system, movement system, bartering system), I honestly feel like this is one of the first games to step out of the IE game's shadow to try innovating the CRPG space. The core gameplay loops of combat/exploration/quests feels complete fresh. Exploration no longer feels like a matter of just click-and-go. Combat/Encounter scenarios allow for more proactivity and environment interactions than ever before. And quest design - though it lacks some of the deep branching other games have, there's a general design philosophy that allows for more organic solutions - i.e. it never feels like the only way to complete a quest is to follow the A, B, and C scenarios the developer has clearly laid out for you. I'm really hoping Larian can polish their weaknesses in BG3, and make it a sequel worth playing. Because I do feel like they are pushing the design of CRPG in the right way.

[@erickvoidwalker3978]

What i love the most from larian its that they listen to the comunity unlike electronic art and they do know how to make us happy so im sure bg3 will be a masterpiece and we have proof about that onky the early access has more content than full released games have and a few people have more than 500 hours playing it so i would say larian can give us a golden crown

[@notalefty999]

Honestly, whilst I can recognise a lot to like about DOS2, its a very different game to BG2, and as someone loves the latter, I really dont want a game much more like the former. I certainly wouldnt want current Bioware to do it either, (they havent made a good game since around 2010), but a studio like Obsidian, for example, produces games with a lot more of the BG series DNA than Larian.

[@justicar5]

I'd have given BG3 to the teams behind PoE2: Deadfire, they don't hate real time with pause, so would have honored BGs legacy instead of taking a massive stinking dump on it. Owlcat would also have been a good choice, but they are tied into Paizo so having Paizo and WotC working with the same studio could be an issue.

[@huyholyfire]

One of the best CRPG ever.

[@perlipopo6644]

Very great review man! It nailed every aspect of the game I liked and disliked. Again with a nice humour touch. The only point where I doesn't agree is the soundtrack which was great in my point of view. But that's also a matter of personal taste. As for "Should BG 3 be made by Larian", that's a very complicated version. DOS 2 is my fist CRPG, so I'm pretty much a new comer. And I haven't player BG 2 yet (I know that's a crime) I feel that it's a situation with high loosing potential for Larian as well as for the players. Personally, I would I've prefer Larian to make a DOS 3 and some other games (like Divinity Fallen Heroes witch was "reported") instead of BG 3. DOS 2 was a very creative game with lots of very cool ideas like the classless system and the low use of RNG. All those nice ideas and maybe other new ones that could come from the Larian devs won't unfortunately be possible with D&D 5E rules. As for the matter of making most of BG 2 fans happy, I think it's gonna be hard with a non isometric, non RTWP game. I think that another studio (Obsidian? Beamdog?) might have done a better job on that department. It's gonna be hard to reconciliate all the expectations in one great game. And even a great game would be a deception for some. But hey, if a studio is capable of that, I think it's Larian. And if every sequel of great games just try to emulate it's prequel without innovating, taking risk, that would be sad. Because taking risk, innovating are all things that were necessary for us to enjoy those great classics. So I'm really excited to see what Larian is gonna pull on this one.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Thanks for the comment, man! It's all good. I've not yet played BG3, so I can't rightly tell.

[@franciscofracaro3648]

Ok so.. my body is ready for the shitstorm I'll get for leaving this comment. Honestly the way larian handeled the combat made me realize that the problem of "turn based combat" (which i wasnt a fan of until i played dos) isnt the actual turn based combat. Its dnd that feels like an absolute slug (told ya i was going to get shitstormed). We've all played and enjoyed dnd and dnd games for what they are, but i think it's time to move on. That concearns me, not because i think that larian cannot live up the expectations for a new BG title, but rather the opposite. dos greatest stenghts (combat and let's say half of character progression, I'm not a fan of talents tbh) are gonna get replaced with an outdated a kinda clunky rule set. But there's no way I'm blaming Larian if BG isnt as great as a DoS III could be, my finger is pointed at dnd KEKW With that said, if there's a studio i could trust this gigantic project, it's defenetly them. I am curious to see how much they can innovate and change without upsetting the boomerest videogame comunity, cRpg's. (or absolutly fucking enraging it, which i dont think it's gonna happen, but it would be hilarious) Loved your video, agreed with most things, disagreed with some.. but BRUH............ music kinda ok? Wtf are you talking about LUL (i mean it in the sense that it's great imo)

[@pantonearqm2791]

DnD rule set isn't outdated or clunky, 3rd edition of DnD is one of the greatest rule set ever made, a pity they forced to use 5 edition.

[@jimmym3352]

I know I'm going to get a shitstorm as well for saying this, but I feel DOS 2 is overrated. I have yet to finish the game. Though I hope to try again some day and finish it. I did finish DOS 1, but only played once. I felt like combat in DOS 1 is better than 2. I do agree with you on the clunkiness of the D&D ruleset. It's what drags down the Neverwinter Nights games in my opinion. Things like a level 1 character can only perform 1 action every 6 seconds. I know the reasoning behind it, and character progression is important, and it feels great when you become a badass. But man, having that level 1 wizard or level 1 fighter can be a pain in the ass. I'm not sure how BG3 will handle these issues, I've been avoiding spoilers and haven't looked at any Beta footage really. I will say one thing I like about D&D is the class fantasy (though they do go overboard with all the sub classes and prestige classes).

[@JBrandonMercer123]

Couldn't agree with you more, Francisco. I'll probably enjoy BG3, but I really wanted DOS3 because it isn't tied down by DND's ruleset and would allow Larian to do whatever they wanted to do. And you're right, the music in DOS2 is fucking amazing. The fact that he said it was just okay is ridiculous. The only game I've ever played that does music better is Wasteland 3.

[@JBrandonMercer123]

@@jimmym3352 DOS2 is underrated. I'm sorry you haven't gotten through it.

[@alpsalish]

I think what you say is highly personal. I have my fast paced games. I sought out DOS2 precisely for the combat and story.

[@georgelabauve3469]

This and my BG1&2 are the best CRPGs of all time imo. For RPGs, I have a soft spot for Morrowind and the elder scrolls in general as well. I like classic pokemon more perhaps, but I don't consider pokemon a superior rpg if that makes sense?

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Pokemon... would've never thought.

[@georgelabauve3469]

@@YeOldEntertainment strategically and gameplay wise yeah, it's gotta be top tier for me. But I don't think there is much of "role playing" involved, and it certainly is shallow where story and characters are involved when compared to other rpgs. Also love Chrono Trigger, Dragon Quest 5, Final Fantasy Vl

[@armelior4610]

I just finished the game this morning, and a great game that often kicks you in the balls is a perfect summary, you're a genius. It's a great tactical game, no doubt about it (even if I prefer XCom2) but it's both a great and terrible RPG, because the gimmicky or unfair fights (almost all of Arx) gives you 3 choices : -either you have min/maxed your characters&gear, which means hours of inventory management&crafting&bartering (shudders) and only use the tactics that maximise damage so always use only the more efficient abilities and that's boring with how many fights there are -reload and pre-place / buff or even respec your characters to cheese with knowledge of what's to come so I guess you HAVE to roleplay a psychic, maybe that's the true nature of the source :) -cheese the hell out of telekinesis, the enemy being in pause while in dialogue so you can put your backstabber behind them and barrels all around them or dozens of nonsensical stuff like that. What is this "immersion" and "roleplay" you're talking about ? Also I'm happy to be a completionist (which means I came back to fort joy multiple times even if it made no sense after escaping it) because I wouldn't want to start any act underleveled... I had the same problem with Pathfinder kingmaker and its love of cheesy/steroid-abusing enemies to add challenge even if it makes 0 sense/gets tedious, especially at the end. Why do developers take cues from the difficulty mods of BG2 instead of the vanilla game for their standard difficulty ? At least you can decrease the difficulty during a playthrough in both games, because I'll take too easy over infuriating. I needed to rant even if no one will read this almost a year later XD

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Don't worry about --> "I needed to rant even if no one will read this almost a year later XD". Late to the party is the official alternative name of this channel. The options you listed pretty much constitute the full spectrum of the things you can do in DOS to overcome the challenges in the hardest difficulty. But I think the option of reloading and taking different decisions for combat encounters is where the fun's to be had in this game. Add the level design to the challenge and you have... well... the best turn based combat there's ever been, I'd even place it over Xcom2. As for the "steroid buffed in enemies" in Pathfinder games... puff yes... those are a pain like no other.

[@SkaldRPG]

Another great analysis! Really enjoying these! I'd love to see you keep it up with with more RPGs beyond just the isometric ones :-)

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Thanks man! I'll try!

[@wyattgeorge9696]

Yea you should review TES 3 Morrowind, it's gained a lot of popularity recently and there arent a ton of videos about it

[@henrikpersson7279]

27:45 The talking dogs just made me cry. Especially when they were scared.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

They weren't badly written... but that voice acting though... just no...

[@Xyfiel]

You can't get six strangers to easily agree on pizza toppings. No way in hell are you getting millions of die hard BG fans to agree on what BG3 should entail. No matter who did it and how it ends up many wouldn't like it. Not many beloved franchises pull it off especially after a long hiatus. Even if you had all of the original people on the project they would be 20 years older and wouldn't produce the same content. Basically people have unreachable expectations. Of course it could be better but there is no guarantee any other company would have achieved that. The best thing to do is to provide well written feedback to Larian.

[@TheDovahkinia]

Thank godness that Larian is handling this series, I'm absolutely tired of games that try to be OG Baldur's Gate clones. I love the tabletop design approach and I understand, that some stuff from 5e can't be translated to computer game (just like not everything got translated from AD&D to originals). People should stop whining and try something new.

[@MO-bo2du]

Great video, great channel, liked & subbed

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Thanks man! Welcome aboard!

[@dzejrid]

It's been a year since this video was originally posted, however since it only recently appeared, along with your channel, on my radar, I wanted to chime in. And I am stating this even before watching the whole video, at timestamp 2:30: DOS2 is basically the only isometric cRPG since Fallout 2 that I have completed and not only that but played through twice. I have never managed to do that with IWD, BG 1 or 2 or even P:T. I'm not mentioning Arcanum as I fucking hated how broken and unstable it was at the time, dropped it very soon and never looked back. And yes, I would've granted Larian BG3 licence. In fact I am awaiting eagerly until they finish it and it goes out of Early Access into full release, and only because I have an iron rule to NEVER pay for pre-release or EA products, no matter how good they seem.

[@ronnieoo1341]

I'm still hoping for a divinity 2 dragon Knight saga remaster, I really liked that game despite its flaws.

[@OsirisVas]

i would like a remake

[@axelf4515]

Oh, yes. Good to see that game still has fans. It's one of the best games of that genre. A remake / remaster would be awesome.

[@netgodzilla1]

Definitely, the best CRPG maker today are Larian and the maker of Pathfinder series. But, I prefer Larian to create Baldurs Gate 3. Cause Larian games are unique and can be solved in many different ways

[@danbourlotos5188]

I did not think anyone could describe how I feel about this game, and I have repeatedly failed to convey it properly. Then I watched this intro. I ultimately liked D:OSII better than the first game. The world is fantastic, the skill adaptability is top notch, character creation/leveling is some of the best and it is absolutely gorgeous. But it has two really big issues for me: A slightly blah plot, and the turn based mechanics, and it was this combination that really counted against this game for me. The older I get, the more there is that demands my time, and sitting down for an hour might be all I have. It effectively meant that there were weeks at a time where I had absolutely zero progression through this game. Considering the sheer volume of stuff to do, it was very hard to get invested in the plot when I spent far too much time fighting the same battle, over and over again. In hindsight, I should have started on an easier difficulty, but defaulting to normal shouldn't be a death sentence.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Man, this was almost 100% my experience with my last play through. Things were intense at work and I had some other issues to take care off that sucked up all of my time, and I couldn't devote too much time to it, except maybe an hour an half. And yes... after three days I was STILL in the first area and far from finishing it. Yes, the plot is blah (because its good solid idea for a story was unnecessarily twisted in an overly convoluted way and bloated without reason). But... I would never blame its turn based mechanics. They are 100%, hands down and by leaps and bounds the best combat mechanics I've seen in an RPG. Yes fights are long but they are also the bread and butter of this game. I totally understand where you're coming from, though. cheers!

[@vx8431]

I enjoyed the crafting my first 3 or so playthroughs because it felt like discovery and finding new recipes by accident but after that it became terrible. However when it comes to lore I get that it can feel like a giant lore dump at times because it was made so you don't have to play the original 3 games who are a mixed bag due to how Larian got screwed by the publishers.

[@AIRGEDOK]

Best line of the video, "Fuck you! game." I split a gut laughing. possible explanation for the secondary mechanics issues. Ironically I did not originally experience this same issue but that is because i played the game first in Co-op. So i only had my own character to control. This dramatically changes the way buying and selling works and feels, even through i was the barter of the party. The reason is other people were making their own choices for what they wanted to equip I would simply take orders for items people saw in the merchant and buy it if we had the coin. It makes that system seem great. And people would wares items and send them to me to create a simple way to sell crap as well. Why? because four people where working in tandem. The above said however, it was truly a pain in the ass when i played single player. The only question I have is was the system designed the way it was because it needed to limit co-op access? Would the engine allow too much info on gear during the merchant interface otherwise? The game does allow conflict in co-op so maybe they wanted some info limited in co-op and it isn't as simple as allowing x mechanics in single player but y mechanic in co-op. many game engines do not like two divergent systems for the same thing causes all sorts of conflicts. DOS2 is not a single player game. It is a single player/co-op game. This may seem like a minor difference but it is not. The developers called it competitive co-op, you are working together to finish the game but you are also competing against each other. This means limited knowledge of what gear you are wearing or is in you bags (Specifically bags and pouches not the top layer of your inventory). So i might know what your fellow players have in the top layer of their inventory but not what you have in the bags in your inventory. This means that getting to a boss in a fight allows you to get the gear and if you could compare gear with everyone in your party that would ruin the secrecy in the co-op play. It makes it clunky as hell in single player but makes it great for co-op. Remember there can be only One divine and that is played out in co-op. And keeping your gear secret is part of competitive co-op. This doesn't negate the bad experiences with the mechanics, but they were built like they were for a specific reason and not because of bad design and it was only in single player did you get a smack to the balls, in co-op it was actually a high five. In single player you were just in the wrong position for said mechanic. Where there better solutions? I don't know. Where compromises made that hurt the single player experience? Yes. But one of the things i loved about Dos2 was the ability to play a co-op game with my friends. So on a personal level I am glad they made the game with co-op even if it made my single player experience a bit more annoying.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

I think they could've easily avoided all the ball smacking for the single player campaign with just a few changes in the interface without hurting the co-op experience. Just and impression though.

[@AIRGEDOK]

@@YeOldEntertainment I couldn't say either way. i do know that some engines really do not like different "rule sets" for the same thing. In this case the rule set is allow viewing gear of other characters in single player and not allow viewing gear in co-op. I am very hesitant to say it would be easy simply because the perceived difference to a player is minor. Also I know that many features in programing that seem completely separate can have unforeseen interactions . You tell people this and they simply wont believe you or think you are a moron. This is very much why many features talked about in early development for a game are dropped not because of time but because with the current tools available (and a game engine is a tool) you get issues that simply can't be solved so they are dropped. I know from my own experience that the mechanics make 100% sense in co-op and if they were not this way co-op would be to some measure ruined. It is obvious that this impacted single player play but that is the nature of design sometimes if you want A&B in a game you get something that has to make sacrifices to either A or B or both to merge them together. I am not saying they issues are not real or shouldn't be highlighted but i think it is important to NOT present Dos2 as a single player game in totality as it clearly isn't. So some measure of a review should include this feature. it is the same as ignoring the sound track to a game. Especially when co-op is true co-op where every person playing because the "main character." Did larian make the right choice? Not sure. It wasn't a choice without thought or purpose in terms of game play. There is a real and legit reason why you can't look at other players' gear in Dos2 without that character being activated that isn't simply limited to co-op. it is the type of Co-op and the story told that creates a direct rational for this restriction. none of this said negates the annoyance and it doesn't mean there were no solutions. However just because the systems are annoying in SP doesn't actually mean there was a solution either. Multiple things are at play here, the specific story being told, the desire to have competitive co-op and the tools/ engine available. If anyone of these things was different then the system could have been very different. Many games that allow co-op in a single player game are not truly co-op as the hosting player is the MC and the other players are just side kicks . DOs2 doesn't really do that you are all main characters. Any character can go off on their own and talk to anyone, initiate and finish quests on their own. This creates different requirements for a purely single player game that allows other people to join YOUR story. Did Larian make the right choices? No idea. But i did find their approach to Co-op refreshing compared to classic cRPGs. I guess i am saying that when you ignore co-op to the review and ignore how the story would play out in a co-op setting you lack the context to a possible "why" the mechanics are clunky in Single player. Otherwise you get the idea it is clunky for no reason at all which isn't 100% fair. And to be clear even if there is a 100% legit reason for the mechanics to be clunky in SP they are still clunky in SP and deserve criticism. But the context as to why is still important.

[@johjoh9270]

Honestly, puzzles weren't a bad point for me, while I did know we were headed towards the final fight there wasn't any particular moment where I thought "this is it, we're really doing this" till the moments right before it actually, the part before the final I still thought as "exploring", it was only after certain dialogue that that comes just before the fight that I had this feeling, so to me that was well done 16:32 bruh, don't make an "is it worth playing" video and proceed to spoil half the stuff you're supposed to find out during the gameplay 🤣 Am surprised you complained about stability and crashes, I don't remember any significant stability issues and had 0 crashes, the only thing I could say maybe it's how it took so long to load during acts 3 and 4

[@benl2140]

Wait...what was the 4th class when you showed Dragon Age: Origins at 3:23.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

It's either ritualist or warlock. (Mods) They are available in Nexus mods.

[@ChristianCostaBatageloSC]

Owlcat Games already did it better with "Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous".

[@YeOldEntertainment]

I don't know. I strongly disliked both Pathfinder Games. There is no aspect of the game (except Itemization... they nailed that) that is better in Pathfinder games.

[@dnaseb9214]

I want classes. I want to play as a archtype with weaknesses. If I make my own, I might meta game by accident. A huge sin in my book.

[@chatarrra7457]

Im late but there is still opportunity cost to having this classless system. If you are a ranger but want to dip into pyromancer to have some additional fire damage, you will do less ranged physical damage than someone who only specs into huntsman/ranged. You have weaknesses in this game so idk what you’re saying

[@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065]

Review assassin's creed odyssey, i think it's a very underrated game, it's a very good rpg imo, and it's excellent on all regards, please review it without the "it's not assassin's creed" bullshit

[@YeOldEntertainment]

I haven't played it. I wasn't even aware there was an "it's not assassin's creed" thing going on with Odyssey. I wasn't thrilled with the footage though. It didn't seem like it was a game for me (combat-wise)

[@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065]

@@YeOldEntertainment combat isn't the best I admit, but it makes up for it in many ways, I have to say combat is ok, I used to think that the animations were especially too gamey and I wished they were a bit more realistic looking at the footage, but as I played it, ironically i don't notice the animations that much anymore, there are a ton of gear and many builds u can do, i think you should at least give it a shot and let us know what do you think, bad or good! It's the most RPG assassin's creed game.

[@TheGamer-mc5gl]

I 🤣🤣🤣 so hard I cried with the ball slapping

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Haha. It's all sunshine and bunnies until you have to trade or craft or decide which reward you want after completing a quest then it's ball-smack time.

[@zenqqa]

I think that every time you put a point into your skills. You should get a selection of talents from that class. that you get to learn right away. I hate having to buy every single talent book. And buying multiples for characters that use the same skills. Also the armor system is just extra health bars half the time. I think it should have been 50 resistance points. That make crowd control 50 percent effective but add 1% every time you use a talent that can debuff. So when your resistance points reach 0. Crowd control and debuffs are 100% effective. Maybe 2 bars with 50 points one for physical and one for magic.I want to hear your thoughts on this idea

[@debrickashaw9387]

24:20 The bartering in PoE2 is doing quest for the merchant or the faction he is a part of and thus gaining a small discount. It is a much better system than DoS2

[@RudolfSikorsky]

I can definitely see Your hesitation. I am 50 now and even if I enjoy those 'modern classics', none of them have vibe (at least for me) like BG2 and NWN2 did. They are really good and stuff but not great. Bah, too much talk, going back to first Deus Ex.

[@ARMAfuckenGEDDON]

I am 30, Ive played both of those and I like dos 2 better. In fact I don’t think Ive even completed NWN 2 at the time of its release and considered it a huge letdown compared to the excellent hordes of the underdark expansion to nwn 1. So these opinions are for sure very subjective.

[@TheSushiandme]

I can kill all the npcs and still complete my main quests lol

[@macsattic7155]

Who else would be a contender ?

[@tomasplachy9735]

Yes, I would.

[@justinmlc]

I would have rather had Divinity Original Sin 3 sooner. I liked Baldurs Gate 2, but didn't love it like the Div:OS games.

[@kbab679]

No way would I have given Baldur's Gate 3 to Larian. We'll see what they've done to the Bhaalspawn from the original, but he doesn't appear to be the Lord of Murder. The game feels non-canon as a sequel to Baldur's Gate I and II.

[@jwlafferty]

Divinity 2 was sooo meh. I thought I was enjoying it, then realized it felt more like a job towards the end. When it really hit me over the head was when I learned Larian was making Baldur's Gate 3 and I was disappointed. Really doubt I ever play it. Oh, and all the fire barrels everywhere as a Larian staple just annoys me. Baby's room in a bouse? How about 8 fire barrels. Because that makes sense. Surprised we never heard anything in Divinity 2 about the obviously thriving fire barrel industry.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

HAHAHAHA! while I did enjoy Divinity Original Sin II, this comment made my day. And yes! I hadn't realized that but yes, you are right! there are so many f*cking exploding barrels in this game!

[@ICEMAN-]

I feel personally attacked by this intro

[@EconaelGaming]

Did you finish the game before reviewing it?

[@YeOldEntertainment]

I've played it three times from beginning to end before reviewing it.

[@EconaelGaming]

@@YeOldEntertainment That's important, mention that in your reviews! I asked, because of the lack of criticism for the generally criticized topics, e.g. churning all items (even unique ones) after levelling up and the armor system.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

@@EconaelGaming If I don't mention this or that aspect in a review, it's most likely because I personally don't consider an issue or noteworthy. I have absolutely no problem with the armor system in this game. Some people say "it's been reduced to physical and magic". Yeah... so? This game is not about spell/counter spell play. And I for one am grateful for that, because I detest when a game's combat revolves heavily around a gazillion immunities and the spells that undo them. It becomes a game of "looking it up on some table" and that's it. Combat in DOS is truly tactical: flanking, choking points, vantage points, your party member's positions, so on so forth. Plus, I don't always watch other people's reviews before I do mine, and this channel is certainly NOT about validating what other people are saying.

[@EconaelGaming]

@@YeOldEntertainment Thanks for clearing up which aspects are important to you. As a viewer, this info is helpful in interpreting your reviews. Take care!

[@jomohunter4649]

Voice acting was good but the animals were bad!?!? wtf dude? they were hilarious and i wouldnt know what voice i should give an animal anyways! all in all good review but never compare sebille to morrigan again!! morrigan is the queen ;)

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Thanks for leaving a comment. Sebille and Morrigan have one thing in common.. I detest them. When Morrigan appeared for the first time in DAO she destroyed the immersion. Of course, compared to 95% of video game characters that were created post 2016 Morrigan's awesome.

[@Thorpal]

Had it been my decision to grant Larian BG's license, would I have allowed it ? Gameplay and design wise : HELL NOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!! But marketing-wise, yes, with all the hype and attraction DOS2 got plus their console friendly gameplay there are no reason granting them the license wouldn't make a great return on investment. More than what Obsidian or Beamdog could have ever achieved. And I guess that's why Wizards of the Coast opted for Larian. Also I totally agree with the terrible "secondary mechanics" of DOS2 : definitively the worst UX out of any modern CRPGs.

[@Regirs]

Nope I would not give it to Larian they always been doing parody fantasy games ever since Divine Divinity tone of Infinity Engine games was obv totally different, focused on telling the concise story, instead I would get it to possibly Owlcat most likely or even Obsidian hoping they've learned from some of their mistakes from PoE games. Guys like Black Geyser CoD possibly they seem to stay truest to the infinity games but as a studio they would really need to expand to deal with a big project. Last option would be someone completely else even a new large enough studio comprised of ppl that understand the core of Forgotten Realms storytelling of BG/IWD and have one true to the original vision while enough talent to stay on the same high, especially artistic, level. Ofc that's all easier said than done and none of these options seem perfect and without it's problems but that's likely the best answer I could give to your question hehe

[@YeOldEntertainment]

And it's appreciated.

[@Kmaitland89]

Baldurs Gate 3 is going to be one of the best and most deep games ever made. Just wait.

[@justhecuke]

I wouldn't have given Larian the OK to make BG3. I didn't enjoy DOS2 and didn't finish the game abandoning it at, iirc, the prison which was pretty early in the game. It did not leave a good impression with me and I don't want BG3 to follow that path. Unfortunately, it seems that BG3 is and we're getting what looks to be an Act 1 where everything you do is irrelevant to the actual plot. I was very underwhelmed at the end of the early access portion with what we were given.

[@DB-xz1sb]

This is the best RPG I have every played, - if New Vegas did not exist.

[@フフウェイ]

Surely you meant Baldur's gate 3, an RPG by the creators of Divinity Original Sin 2

[@YeOldEntertainment]

No. I mean exactly what I say in the title. The video is about DOS2. And the question is whether or not this game is still worth playing 4 years after its original release.

[@longjohnbaldry7360]

I like Larian studios for what they do, but I think the game would have been better in the hands of Owlcat Games... Their Pathfinder games are excellent (except for some cringey characters, but that's what hiring a merc is for).

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Hiring a mercenary writer? or a mercenary character? XD

[@longjohnbaldry7360]

@@YeOldEntertainment I can think of some games that could have used a mercenary writer! "Who wrote that amazing storyline?" "No one knows. Some mysterious merc writer." "Who wrote all the **** plots and characters in this terrible game?" "Oh you didn't know? Its the same person that wrote 'X fail game' and 'Y fail game', somehow they keep getting work! I guess there aren't many writers in the gaming industry!"

[@YeOldEntertainment]

@@longjohnbaldry7360 Some games could've definitely benefited from a having a decent pen-for-hire in the team

[@matternicuss]

Of all the modern CRPGs I’ve played, Pathfinder’s first 20 hours feel the closest to replicating that classic Baldur’s Gate feel. That being said, Owlcat would still be my second choice to make BG3, after Larian. Why? For one, I think Larian has mastered combat and overall encounter design. D:OS 1/2 have hands down the best combat in any CRPG I’ve ever played. But most importantly, Owlcat’s games are very heavy on systems and detail, but they also have a penchant for fiddly micromanagement systems (kingdom management), which I think tends to dilute the overall experience.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

@@matternicuss I agree with all of this. I do have many other issues with owlcat... (or rather, Pathfinder Kingmaker) but yes, I agree on all these points.

[@tubalord3693]

Aww I love puzzles to each their own I guess

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Thanks for leaving a comment! My issue is not with puzzles per sé. I love games like Myst, for example. I don't think Puzzles in DOS2 are particularly good, they are also oddly distributed and there's large concentration of them in the final act. For me it hurts the pace near the end.

[@propheinx2250]

I really enjoyed Divinity 2 right up to Reaper Coast. Then the game devolved into party wipe after party wipe and I stopped loving it. I personally would not have given them the BG license. With BG3 I'm expecting a game that's really good until all of a sudden, it's not good anymore.

[@petrk281]

It is sad to see that trade in BG3 is just as bad, as in DOS2...

[@YeOldEntertainment]

oh yes...

[@AbsentCrysisX]

Yes yes and yes!

[@battlemode]

When I hear the voice acting in D:OS1 and 2 it reminds me of low budget BBC productions from the 1990s... British thespians, who'd rather be doing King Lear, making a quick buck making crappy TV drama shows for kids. It ain't bad but I reckon people from the UK are gonna find it cheesy as hell

[@goferlp7011]

Yes

[@IDEAZ89]

Obsidian should have made BG3 or maybe even pathfinder devs....but Larian made DOS3 and calls it BG3 I am really dissapointed

[@RIlianP]

I loath the combat in BG 1 and 2, Icewindale, Pillars, Pathfinder (although I have additional gripes with both Pathfinder games) I never finished them because I disliked it so much. I love the combat in this game I am so glad that BG3 combat is more similar to this than to those other games. Before someone tells me that that the story is more important than the combat, the thing is I view the games as something akin of ice cream, the story is the small delicious bits of chocolate submerged in large quantity of ice cream, if I dislike the ice cream flavor no amount of chocolate bits will make me finish the whole thing. The combat is majority of what we do in those specific video games and no amount of good story will make me sit trough hours of horrible combat. On other note this game is a sequel, and is the last chapter of the story of all previous Divinity games, in fact in the first Divinity series game Divine Divinity your character is fact Lucian (canonically), I think its wort it to visit all RPGs of the series to see the full picture.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Fair Enough. I like combat in all those other games you mentioned and I think combat in this game is magnificent. It's easily the best turn-based combat in a CRPG I've personally experienced. However. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "this type of game", if you mean CRPGs, well then there are plenty that don't even have combat: Disco Elysium, Gamedec, Citizen Sleeper, etc. As for those which do have combat, for me it's a bit the opposite of what you say: RPGs for me are first and foremost about playing a role: for example, being a chaotic mercenary who sort of becomes the reluctant hero, etc. With a bad story that won't ever occur, and even combat sufferes because your reasons to go out and do combat feel like a poorly concocted excuse. There are though some games that have a hideous story but have combat that is so good that almost makes up for it. Fortunately this one has outstanding combat and a pretty decent story too (if a bit unnecessarily convoluted).

[@RIlianP]

@@YeOldEntertainment I singled out the games BG 1 and 2, Icewindale, the Pillars games, Pathfinder games specifically in my comment as DOS2 is most similar to them (I am aware of Disco Elysium and Gamedeck etc. which take the genre in different direction and I did not mentioned them). I don't expect Shakespeare when plying video so even a mediocre story is passable for me (as long as it is not truly atrocious) but if what I do in the majority of the time, in this case combat, is bad in my opinion I just cant bring my self to slog trough it just for couple of minutes dialog, feels like a waste of time, and those game do love to hurl enemies at you like candy, An I agree that the story is convoluted, as I said the game comes with a lot of baggage as it is the conclusion of the story line that has been passed trough 6 games if you count Dragon commander, this game is most tightly connected with the first 3 games Divine divinity and Beyond Divinity, and Divinity 2, Ironically, Divinity Original sin 1 is the most disconnected from the main story as it take place before all other games except Dragon commander which is a spin-off. The naming of the games is as convoluted as some of the plot to be honest.

[@pantonearqm2791]

While I really like this game, it's really bugs me that because of it, Baldur's Gate lost it's identity and instead of actual sequel we have Divinity Original Sin 3.

[@YeOldEntertainment]

I've not yet played BG3. But a lot of people seem to share this opinion

[@gaminglazarus4343]

@@YeOldEntertainment hi good video review . Divinity Original Sin 2 is more role playing game with strategy . i have divinty 2- the dragon knight saga . i like more action role playing games

[@Carosmyr]

@@YeOldEntertainment ill back up that opinion, and its sad.

[@geronuis2295]

lol have you even played bg3 yet? drastically different in a multitude of ways, but whatever

[@pantonearqm2791]

@@geronuis2295 it isn't drastically different, sure some details are different, but the core of the gameplay belongs to Divinity, not to Baldur's Gate.

[@Marcelo_M.M.]

No one deserve to re-open a closed saga. Worst if it's a cult saga. Worst if they change its genre. Worst if is the genre the saga has become a symbol of (real time w/pause).

[@Nicolo-ue9xu]

Well if you only take the story and place and make it before or after the previous game I like it because you make more story in that lore

[@wickeddrac7489]

I stopped trying to get into this game because of inventory and bartering bullshit alone, I just couldn't slog thru it...,

[@YeOldEntertainment]

Oh I feel ya.

[@georgelabauve3469]

What an opener haha.

[@xdhamiiix]

DoS 2 was great, but i’d have given the license to Owlcat personally.

[@majorgear1021]

Larian definitely should keep their hands off of BG3. It takes a different state of mind to stay true to the series. In the end, they’ll make a clone a DoS 2 . DoS2 fans will love it , but it won’t be a proper BG game.

[@HispainmygainJ316]

DOS2 was one of the best games I’ve ever played. You’re late to the game buddy.

[@ThePosrein]

I tried playing this game and couldn’t move a box that was obstructing my movement only 15 minutes into the game. I deleted it and never went back. And I have no plans on buying BG3 for this reason (also because it’s turn-based. Zzzzzzz!)

[@JLHFans]

amaaazing

[@AIRGEDOK]

BG2 "purist" fans are NEVER going to get the BG3 they want. BG/BG2 where made in the era where TSR owned D&D and they used the licenses to help keep the company afloat so they were far more willing to accept a studio making changes to the D&D rule set. Wizards of the Coast is not a small company and they are owned by an even larger company. Wizards is not using licenses to help keep the company solvent either. Wotc also saw video games as a DIRECT competitor to them which is why 4th edition played like a video game in many ways. This means any sequel to BG3 was NEVER EVER going to be similar to BG2. Real time with pause is not something Wotc will ever allow. They don't want combat to feel different from 5e. BG2 combat felt very different from 2nd edition combat and that was only possible because TSR was a dying company. Wotc is using BG3 as advertising 5e, hey did you enjoy BG3? Well play the "real" thing. Wotc want people to play D&D they don't want you to recapture your feelings you had when you played BG2 for the first time. BG2 was and always has been first a D&D licensed product, 2nd a video game. To put things in perspective since BG2 was released three new version of D&D were released and three companies have owned D&D, (TSR, WOTC & now Hasbro). There is no reasonable expectation for people to expect BG3 to be a similar game to BG2. Too many rules have changed and the state of the company is vastly different. Also the position of the hobby in the 2020's is vastly different that in the 90's. The core competitors at least as viewed by wotc Hasbro is different than that of TSR or an independent Wotc. If the business climate is different, if the business is own by a different company. If the rules have changed in very fundamental ways and the hobby itself has changed there shouldn't be an expectation for series that started over 25 years ago (including development time) to have a sequel be the same. WOTC doesn't want BG3 to play like BG2 they want BG3 to play like more like 5e. And I mean PLAY that means they want turn based combat that means they want core mechanics to be close to what 5e delivers than closer to what most video game can deliver. You have a choice either buy the game or don't buy but make no mistake you are not right on how BG3 should be because there are no right or wrong answers with regards to subjective media. All the BG2 purist whining about BG3 not being more like BG2 are idiots pissing in the wind. Not because they don't like BG3's approach but because they expected and honestly think they are entitled to force the owners of Baldur's gate to submit to their whims. The only thing that happens when you piss in to the the wind is you get wet and the only person you have to blame is yourself.

[@piotrkarp9562]

You're 100% right. My adventure with D&D ended on 3.5 and I was dire hard fan of that system back then. Now, on promotional materials from BG3 I can hardly get what's going on. It doesn't feel like new iteration of that system but like whole new thing. Kinda wierd that's named BG3 also. Bhaalspawn story is ended, WotC even killed him after that to ensure this (read that in wiki). It looks like it's around ilithid theread (secondary quest in Amn pointet to that) but it was sidequest. Minor sidequest. And had nothing to do with main story. That was always about bhaalspawn. It's like strictly marketing - wise decision.

[@AIRGEDOK]

@@piotrkarp9562 BG3 was always going to be a new story. Even the original development of BG3 in 2001 by black Isle was intended to be a new story from the Bhaalspawn. There is no difference now. It was my understanding that BG series was more a tag for games set in the region and connected to the city of BG not about the Bhaalspawn and we saw spinoff series using the Baldur's gate tag as well. Often times the main series gets the numerical designation and spinoffs get a sub-title distinction. Baldur's gate was NEVER intended to be story of the Bhaalspawn alone. The original BG was licensed when TRS was at is lowest point. In fact the company failed before BG1 was released, as TSR was bought out by Wotc in 1997 and BG1 came out in late 1998. This just highlights how desperate TSR was for the money and how they where in no position to be firm in how people developed their licensed material. I'm not here to judge what is best for the series all i will say is D&D was a dying property which could not support the company which owned it. D&D today dwarfs all the competition in the industry which wasn't true in 1998 or even in 2013. it makes no sense from a business standpoint to hold true to a series of mechanics from two niche games based on 25 year old technology. I don't want people to think I am shitting on BG1&2 as I am not. i just don't think the future of the series lies in the past.

[@piotrkarp9562]

@@AIRGEDOK I think that you made fair point. I'm novehere near to implyfy that you're shiting on OG games. We all love RPG genere here. I'm sure about that.

[@WhimsicalPacifist]

I went in on the Wrath of the Righteous kickstarter after seeing the E3 footage of DoS3. Been very happy with my choice. :D

[@AIRGEDOK]

@@WhimsicalPacifist And I am happy with my choice to play both games. it means fuck all. I am not better for choosing to play both, you are not better for play just pathfinder and some third person isn't better for choosing to just play BG3. It is obvious you are being an asshat thinking you are "superior" with your choice and showing contempt for BG3 by calling it DoS3 which it isn't. What i have learned from this is a certain portion of the BG/BG2 are self entitled morons who behave more like toddlers than adults they should be given the games are 20+ years old. Grow up. Boo hoo a game being developed isn't what you wanted it to be. so childish. There are more games released in a year that I don't like than i do like. I don't whine and pout about it I simply move on to a game I want to play. But that takes maturity and reason something far too many BG/BG2 fans lack. Oh and just to be clear i am a BG/BG2 fan i just not a toddler having a hissy fit because the game is different from 20 year old games.

[@silverthorngoodtree5533]

I have played ALL of larians products. answer is yes. Pity you did not try ALL of theirs. For a reviewer you should have. They are cheap enough too.

[@wormerine8029]

No, I would have not given BG licence to Larian. Larian made their own brand of an RPG, just like Bethesda, and instead of making a D&D or Baldur’s Gate game they would do D&D flavoured Divinity. That said, with BG1&2 being self-contained saga, no real harm is done. I just hope they will pull something coherent as at the moment BG3 is a mess of conflicting designs.

[@Kmaitland89]

Explains rules by comparing to perks in fallout... instead of comparing them to what they actually came from.... DnD.

[@piotrkarp9562]

So... I probably wouldn't pick them to create BG3. Tone of their game is waaaaaay different than BG series. Divinity (I only played DoSI, not II) was also... repetitive. Fight was cool and creative for... first 8h. Jokes were cool and catchy for... first 2 (after that game become sooo cringy and campy). Two main heroes are cool and creative but after 1h you will be tired with them arguing over and over again. And that would be all good if main story is interesting but... it isn't. It really isn't. And that;s why I dropped it and never touch DoSII. Also, that anime - like design in their games is horrible and I am tired of it.

[@jmkhenka]

Never played dos 1, but dos 2 feels mature and I see no issues. I would think dos2 dont have the budget as BG3 has and some assets can probably be reused and they learn more and more for each game. dos 2 combat is fun, flexible and sometimes even challenging unless you are 100% about MinMax builds.

[@poMocnyMichal]

As per 2023 it's not worth playing. It's just tedious map painter during combat and uninspiring RPG outside of it.

[@chatarrra7457]

????

[@WhimsicalPacifist]

Hard disagree on the combat. Where the Baldur's Gate games had puzzles to solve of the best spells/buffs to solve a fight (including stripping key immunities), Divinity's armor system oversimplified it to break armor and CC. The room being on fire and just dealing becomes blaise, and the sound/graphic effects are more than a little overdone with . Some feedback is good, but this is feeding monkeys-with-cocaine levels of overstimulation (with all the appreciable signs of withdrawal). Fights are notably restricted in how many adds, party members and summons are utilized (no Wand of Summoning Sarevok ala BG1). 5:51 Fextra can die in a fire. Screwed other wikis on other IP's and cheeses Twitch streaming (always auto-loading their 200px Twitch stream). Make sure to block that stream if you *have* to go there.

[@ivanjovanovic7118]

No, never. We don't need stupid Divinity 2 dlc and we just got it all with slow, totally unrealistic turn based combat. No encounter in the world ever is turn based (and it's not 1996 so they have no other solution, how immature players are they which support slow turn based games) everything happens parallel at the same time when combat starts. It's great that we have pause because in real time with pause we have turns too but more advanced, parallel at the same time for all and fair wit only small initiative. So RTwPause is too turn based but much more realistic. So from many immature Larian's decisions and environment elements as barrel or crates jokes which are maybe interesting on first level or two I don't understand why they wasting time on it when on third level in D&D we have powerful magic and skills that barrels become as untasteful joke 🤣 idiotic jumps too. Ok to use some tools with combination of abilities but simple long kung fu 5m jump no way. Me and my friends are in real 6h+/day sometimes 14h/day gaming since 1998. Baldur's Gate and Tales of the Sword Coast expansion so we can't wait for Baldur's Gate 3 but this from Larian's, what we can see from demo is only cheap Divinity 2 dlc

[@fatkev1983]

This game is buggy, frustrating and I have hated it. I am playing it co-op with 3 other friends, which goes a long way to making it more enjoyable. A lot of the laughter comes from the failures of the game. It just feels like playing a DnD game with a DM who is just a total jerk all the time. The game is overrated and very repetitive. The environmental effects is just an annoyance that the CPU just seems to exploit ALL THE TIME. It could have been an interesting mechanic, if it wasn't just rammed down your throat all the time. It is not one of the best RPG games, like a lot of people touted it. I much prefer the earlier titles in the Divinity series. Oh, and the writing is mostly garbage with only a handful of fun characters. The story doesn't feel new. It has just been a lacklustre game.

[@noryamgm]

is not game fault if ur cpu is trash

[@fatkev1983]

@@noryamgm my computer isn't trash though. 11600k, 32gb of RAM, 4th gen SSD and a 3080Ti. More than adequate to run this old game. The game, however, is a mess. Especially in co-op mode.