DIY cheap camp stove 🏕🔥

[@tboatrig]

I remember making these in outdoor school in yhe early 90s they called them a hobo stove.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

Late 70's for me - same thing, different name. I do remember that they stayed hot for ages afterwards though lol, so perhaps not the thing for a quick brew on a hike.

[@Simba______]

I wouldn't want to have to create that stove every single day. Too much work.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@Simba______ What makes you think you need to make them every day? They last a long time!

[@jameshoffman1842]

Once it is made it will last a long time…

[@jeff4son]

@@Simba______ust like how when you drink a glass of milk then throw the rest of the gallon away every day.

[@Dualhammers]

To create a cheap camping stove you need an angle grinder and another stove

[@neumoi3324]

😂😂😂

[@gordongilbert3686]

😂😂😂 as soon as he said grind 3 notches in your grill tongs is where he got me. I was like “my man, HOW?”

[@dougfoster445]

You make these BEFORE you go camping.

[@High_Bread]

I completely forgot that part till i came back to the video. I mean i got a chainsaw and a sawzall, imma just have my friend hold the pieces while i cut it lol

[@llamaalpaca9117]

You just gotta improvise ive made stuff like this with just a knife and some pliers.

[@Jack-g4g9u]

So I need a stove to make a stove?

[@dontbemean]

As someone else pointed out, he uses an angle grinder as well. So you probably would make the hobo stove ahead of time and take it with you.

[@absolutelyunepic3072]

To make a stove you can bring in your pocket

[@mking8242]

No you can heat up the wax on a fire

[@skillethead15]

@@dontbemean If you have an angle grinder then you can afford to buy an already made camping stove. Only people trying to make this DIY stove wouldn't have the means to make this. This video is pointless.

[@zer0harts]

@natma relnam ...your comment literally makes no sense... i mean you TRIED to sound deep n smart at least...

[@VonButh]

Love the Wood Thrush in the background - favorite birdsong.

[@ablossima]

❤

[@silverdrillpickle7596]

Yes

[@chir0pter]

ty for id!

[@VonButh]

​@@chir0pter I'm glad someone appreciates. I always take a moment to stop when I hear their ethereal song - usually mesmerized. They seem to pick places that makes their song come from everywhere and nowhere. I've only seen them NOT singing (because I don't want to interrupt). They have a neat series that starts, builds, then finishes - which is chopped by the edits.

[@TrxOnex]

Thank you! I've always wondered what they are when I hear them. So beautiful, their songs always sound digital to me in the most amazing way

[@MtnBadger]

One thing... Do *NOT* pour off the "excess." Keep as much wax as will fit into your new "stove" (large fire starter, tent heater, etc.). The more wax you pour back out, the faster the burn and shorter the life of the "stove." I've made a *bunch* of these (sans this type top grid), can portion, only as additions to survival kits, car emergency kits, back packs, etc.. They're great for everything from starting a larger fire and putting it out for next time to cooking to warming a small tent as they give off a lot of heat/light and burn very hot yet last a *very* long time, especially if you just use them for short periods at a stretch. It just takes a little patience to strip down the cardboard and slowly fill the container with wax, letting the bubbles escape until it's filled solid. Trust me... I have them in car road kits, light survival packages, etc.. They're cheap & easy to make and take about as much room as a can of chewing tobacco (or... Tuna fish!) 😉 It's keeping as much wax in there as possible that's the secret. That burns as well but lasts *much* longer than just the wax soaked cardboard, that's key. You want as much fuel in there, as possible. The cardboard just helps an easier start and even burn across the surface while generating more heat than just trying to light the wax, itself, like a giant wick. They'll work with the little folding, Sterno style stoves (which pack flat) but last way longer or, just a piece of uncoated, stainless, wire mesh and a couple of rocks/sticks, etc. to hold the screen that can be easily kept in a light pack or even a pocket, you're glove box or wherever. The windscreen works great and can be flattened out for storage, as well. Just ruff up the top surface of the cardboard with a sharp edge to create a little wax-soaked "fuzz" on the exposed surface, maybe rub a little piece of cotton (ball, scraped lint from cotton socks/shirt, etc.) and drop some sparks on it. Presto. 😊 But, whatever you do and with no disrespect intended, do not pour off any of the wax. Soak in as much as is possible. It will work as well but, for a lot longer, promise. 😉

[@JohnMiller-zr8pl]

Those are some good advices, thank you.

[@ronheydon117]

Ok, thank you for your input.

[@nunovilela1360]

Belo testamento!

[@MtnBadger]

@@ronheydon117 You're welcome, it was meant with best Intentions as I've made dozens of these, tried several different methods and a full cup with the top "fluffed up" with a knife, etc. is the most efficient, though it does take more wax. But the extra life and even burn makes it worth it. 😀 I'm glad to see people trying/making this kind of stuff because it's so effective and all it costs is some used cardboard and tin and any kind of old candles you can find, it doesn't have to be Gulf paraffin as a necessity. I built my first one after emptying a tuna can and had an epiphany. 😆 I grabbed an old, wilting taper (thin candles you put in a candle stick on a dinner table), ripped a piece of cardboard off a box in the recycle bin and Presto. I knew that I must not have been the first to come up with the idea, it was too good. 😆 I tried several different combos and methods (types of wax, how much wax, how full, etc. just to satisfy my overactive, scientific mind (and I was bored out of my tree after an injury) and the full can (use a chicken can for a larger unit) with any candle wax you have was the trick. The paraffin does seem to be sliiiightly better but not so much that you *need* to go buy some. We're all here to share and help and improve each other and that was my only intent. Have a great one and keep it up!

[@Bearbytez]

So wait, are you saying we should pour off the extra wax or???

[@ralphpeed3596]

It also will work well with Crisco or Lard. Save after frying, strain and pour on cardboard. So not having to buy wax makes it almost free

[@ElonMuskrat-my8jy]

Crisco? Why would you have that cancer around? You a boomer?

[@Mia-yq1mx]

I remember my Dad teaching us this when he would take us on camping and fishing trips when I was really young. Looking back on it he taught us so much, and had a way about it that always made it fun. So the lessons stuck with me. He's gone now, but I think about him often as I teach mine so many of the things he taught me. RIP Dad you were a real one. I was lucky to have had you as my dad.

[@Felled-angel]

Your father sounds like a good man, my father was also a good man, i miss him everyday

[@7331warrior]

I’m happy that you had an awesome Dad. Love that you’re spreading the knowledge.

[@Jeff-lf4hy]

teach it to your kids

[@blessedx3338]

What a beautiful comment! 🫶

[@MrAnimeKill]

Hopw yall have a relationship with JESUS our GOD amen

[@alexkopa4142]

In Ukraine, it's called a trench candle. We make them for our Defenders from September-October to April-May. They are usually used in dugouts, trenches and at command posts to heat up food, coffee, dry stuff and sometimes for lighting. It's not afraid of the wind. So u no need to use wind screen.

[@achtotokoe]

Все так і є❤

[@mi1400]

he could've just kept wax soaked cardboard strips instead of can and its elaborate stand still wobbly despite precision ... he could just roll the strip and place in hole dug in soil (+ breather slit on any side) and lit strip.. the dug hole can deeper than coil to keep utensil at distance

[@peacepham7838]

​@@mi1400So, what you will use to store wax stripe? Ukraina is at war, and I bet they have more throwaway food can than you ever see in your life. So, what make your suggestion better?

[@GTFBITK]

Very cool. Grandma thought it was wierd that i told her i needed one of princess kitty's empty fancy feast cans.

[@escapetherace1943]

what are really nice are those frito bean cans, because they come with a resealable plastic lid. let the wax harden up again and no mess. Also those bean tins are just slightly wider but significantly deeper, you get a ton of cooks out of it.

[@jacobdavis4270]

@@escapetherace1943great to know !!

[@luckybassturd7260]

⁠@@escapetherace1943try a pettet/BB tin, it has a metal lid to snuff out fire & it will screw on once cool, slip into ziplock bag & add extra fuel/tea lights/crayons/old birthday candles to zip lock bag too. You can refuel while fire is lit by placing chunk of wax on to fire.. takes practice & trial & error to figure out but easy to do. ( crayon wax will clog cardboard if you keep adding it with out normal wax in the mix.) A almond tin is also good, keep the aluminum seal for snuffing & once cool place plastic lid over tin. Any tin with approximate diameter of tuna can will burn at *approximately* the same rate. One tea light candle that burns for a hour with one tiny wick will only last *approximately* 15 minutes in hobo stove. A small pellet tin will hold 3 tea lights & burn for about 45 minutes. But you can add a chunk of wax every 15 minutes to keep fire going indefinitely, don’t over fill cuz fire will not be as big …you gotta phuck around to find out the happy medium! Best FREE starter car kit imo- A coffee can with lid & a hobo stove. You now have one way to cook/boil water… next up -the coffee can , should hold 3 alternative ways to make a fire & purify water! Add another empty plastic bottle that will fit into coffee can( I like big plastic vitamin jar) pack it with more gear & use it to hold clean water in survival. coffee can should hold dirty water till boiled-then transfer to clean container 🫙… A Coffee can is a stove in itself , just KZbin coffee can stove or hobo stove for hundreds of modifications! ✌️🤟🤙

[@karenandcatz2915]

You should use a real tin can. The aluminum cans could cause a fire! I used my Reveal Cat Food cans to make a bunch of these to keep in my emergency food and essentials prepping.

[@escapetherace1943]

@@karenandcatz2915 real "tin" isn't and hasn't been used for cans now for a long time. When it is used, it is pretty rare. Almost all cans are aluminum now or an aluminum alloy of varying gauge. Regardless a hobo stove doesn't remotely become hot enough to melt aluminum, even if you made it from a soda can it would be fine. Aluminum melts at 1200 degrees and while actual regular fires can exceed that, it is in their centermost point, and a can is too small for it to ever be near that. Most likely 600 degrees and 800 at the extreme highest.

[@robertprice9052]

We made them in Scouts. I used a planters peanut can because it has a plastic lid. I carried one in the Army because it was an easy way to make a cup of coffee anyplace.

[@Deuce_and_a_half]

Can you tell me what you used instead of an angle-grinded pair of tongs please because I don’t have an angle grinder.

[@blu8451]

​@@Deuce_and_a_half you could use a pair of tin snips and a piece of another old can or scrap tin. All the metal is for is to keep your cup from smothering the flame you don't need anything to fancy.

[@ChrisKChandler]

You could make a riser (and wind screen!) with another larger can. Use an old-fashioned can opener to remove extra material and make some breather holes in the side.

[@Gamingniqqa]

Sound stupid

[@Lostachilles]

​@@ChrisKChandlerthis is honestly a better way than the video because it protects against the wind, hides the light of the flame, and holds your cup above the flame all in one. It's also more sturdy and will do a good job of focusing the heat upwards if you don't make too many holes.

[@danger2dm]

LOVE the Wood Thrush singing in the background! They are very shy and hard to see/find!

[@WoodsboundOutdoors]

My favorite bird song

[@cameronduff884]

...ok then, I won't suggest a song by the band Canned Heat ...

[@installgentoo8561]

it's fake

[@jkasaunder228]

@@cameronduff884 We talking about Owly?

[@paradoxstudios6639]

@@installgentoo8561 It was added to sounds "quaint" for the outdoor production and help with ratings.

[@BrianLevine-q7e]

When I started going camping in Boy Scouts my Mom showed me how to make a great stove set up. Got a big tuna fish can. One of those 3 cans in one size. Put 4 pieces of 1/4 inch rope into the card board. 1 in the center.The other 3 go near the outside edge in a trip angle. Now you have the amount of heat you need. Get a #10 coffee can. Using a piercing type can opener make a few (4 or 5) holes on the tube section just below the sealed end. I used a log the size of the open end to make a few air intake holes. Starting 1/2 inch from the open rim space the holes about 1/2 inch apart going til you get past the height of the can. I think I put 6 rows in mine. Light the stove. Using cooking oil you can fry eggs,burgers,etc...on the top of the can. I eventually made a grate from a piece of expanded metal. Just used a vise to bend a rectangle to the size I needed. I f it's raining,snowing,etc ... These are really handy. My Scout Master was an ex Marine DI at Parris Island. Big smile when I told him my Mom told me how to make this. These became parts of our "possible" bags.

[@Get__StuffDone]

Wish I could see a video, showing what you mean. 🙂

[@kkittycatkat1990]

Where did the cardboard come from?

[@harrymills2770]

Very nice "stovetop" that will function in all weathers.

[@IndraYule]

You should make a tutorial video, it would probably get a bunch of views.

[@johnchristian7788]

We need a video. Atleast to show the finished product!

[@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry]

While at the dollar store, you could also pick up some plastic cat food can covers for when it's completely cooled.

[@rjkessler]

Also, pick up some cat food for when you are hungry. - Frank and Charlie

[@snelgrave101]

I use peanut cans that come with plastic lids 👍 check out my variations of the stove's 😉

[@Nige.]

And then go to the diner next door and ask for some hot water

[@superdude512]

Now that’s using your noodle

[@paulramos3640]

Is this reusable ​@@Nige.

[@jayjenkins6021]

I made these in the 60's with cub scouts. Works great... creates some soot, but if you rub the outside bottom of your cooking pot with soap begore using the stove, the soot literslly rinses off.

[@chucky6367]

Thanks for that tip 👍

[@angelalewis3645]

That’s my favorite new tip!

[@lindastevens6861]

❤😮😊

[@ExplodingBlocks]

I never leave for a camping trip without my angle grinder

[@ratatouillegamer13]

Faça antes então

[@arphod]

It's a prep. You don't make these on site. 🙄

[@ExplodingBlocks]

@@arphod “achtually it’s a prep you don’t make these on site” 🤓

[@nanomachines2954]

​@@ExplodingBlocksdamn dude 😂 my stomach hurts from laughter 😂

[@MrBigR928]

Right🤣

[@de_anubis]

We learned this in the military. Always carry a can of oil sardines or anything in oil with you. We were doing combat drills for a few days and camped in a forest. It rained so bad that we couldn't cook the river water we collected. Our seargent pulled out a can of sardines, ate them, put cloth inside of the can and lit it to cook a pine needle tea. The next time half of the company carried a can of fish.

[@PhantomFilmAustralia]

_"Aaah! My steak's cooked to perfection! Now, where's my tongs?"_

[@dfhayak]

Hilarious!

[@old5929]

real men use thier bare hands

[@twintyara6330]

Success, but at what cost

[@Registered_Google_User]

​@@old5929real men also put out wax fires with water

[@tacobell2009]

​@@old5929 Are there fake men?

[@snibdogg5057]

We made these in 7 th grade for our overnight hike and made our dinner on them. Thanks for the memory

[@raymondwilliams2609]

It doesn't matter how many times people demonstrate this method of camping stove, it never ceases to entertain and satisfy me. Thank you for your time. 🙏😊❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@ropeyarn]

Melting the wax in a double boiler eliminates the danger of a flashover.

[@Rotorhead1651]

The same method can be used to make an emergency candle. By simply adding a wick in the center, and not pouring out any wax, you can have a candle that can burn for up to 120 hours (that's 5 days straight).

[@timeflow3305]

Do I need a bought candle to build that candle, if yes this idea is as bad as this video. Angle grinder and another stove to make a cheap stove smh

[@animeproblem1070]

​@@timeflow3305this video shows a supper common homemade camping stove that literally people's only complaint about is how he made the support for his cook pot

[@Levleup]

@@timeflow3305 You do fucking realize you’re supposed to make this ahead of time, right? Not in the goddamn woods!

[@jimbrock8310]

I have made these for fifty years! They burn super clean and last a lot longer than people would think! I keep a couple in 1 gallon tin buckets at home for emergency light and heat. Paraffin can be hard to find at times but you can normally find in the canning section of most stores. I don't bother with the cooking grid there is always something you can find handy for that. You can pretty much do the same with any flammable liquid by filling the can with sand dirt or anything neon flammable and saturating it with said liquid. It won't burn clean and will have odors unless you are using Alcohol, or acetone. I keep a gallon can of denatured alcohol around for emergencies also. Paraffin and alcohol are the safest since they have a very low CO2 content!

[@LongLiveCrypto]

Wax can melt from 75°F to 180°F. If you camp in a hot climate, make sure to get a higher melting point wax and throw the can in a zip lock to avoid a mess in your backpack. :)

[@Tool-Meister]

It was 1958 or 1959 when I started making cardboard and paraffin stoves. Used a great many of them for weekend hiking and camping.

[@maxquanchi]

Well done grand pa

[@Tool-Meister]

@@maxquanchi: THANKS! I was in Cub Scouts then. Now my youngest grandchild is 11 and oldest grandchild is 23.

[@FreddPhucks]

@@Tool-Meister Noie, that's awesome. How time flies. Great stuff to teach the younglings.

[@instrumentenfreak]

Tuna in oil is a good stove by itself.

[@donnahobson9263]

Doesn't it smell bad while burning?

[@AlexanderMcArthy]

Buying tongs for this would cost more than a disposable camp stove

[@pengkritik8564]

😂

[@mking8242]

He said he bought it at dollar tree

[@stoneysdead689]

If you're smart enough to do the math and figure that out- then you're smart enough to make this without the tongs- right? Problem solved.

[@monopolizedopamine]

I'm like are disposal camp stoves really this expensive

[@meganwyatt1607]

Where are you getting a $1 camp stove?

[@MatthewMorgan1981]

"Cheap camping stove" 1 box gulf wax $6.39, 1 pair BBQ tongs $1 1 can salmon $2.00+ Trash $free Angle grinder $25-$180 Another stove to melt the wax Or buy a can of quickflame/sterno $1.25-3.99 and a pocket portable camping stove $2-5. Also plenty of budget friendly campin stoves $10-20.

[@B-leafer]

Cool I remember these from 1968.. Boy Scouts.. Yeah, Keep the excess wax in it. Lasts longer. Also, While you have the melted wax available... Roll up (to the size you want) some paper towels. Then dip them (soaked) into the wax. These make fabulous, cheap fire starters. After the wax cools off completely, you can cut the finished product to the length you want to use. I usually make mine twice as thick as a good cigar. Carry them in your various kits.. Survival Camping Car Edc etc.

[@susanrhodes9079]

We used newspaper in the Girl Scouts back in the 1960s. LOL

[@mrs.quills7061]

What a smart and clever way to reuse common items!

[@67Pepper]

What about the circular saw? Everyone packs one with their camping gear? And a generator to run it?

[@lakraknjeprak2536]

​​@@67Pepperjust befriend carpenter or mechanic. those job is not rare for a man.

[@blu8451]

​@@67Pepperlol i think the idea is that you'd make this before you head out on the trail, not in the middle of it😂

[@Undomaranel]

​@@67Pepper I got a wireless, rechargeable Dremel kit for about $150 at overpriced Ace Hardware last year, used it for all kinds of things from recreating this project for storm prepping (power can go out for days) to wall repairs at work to attempting to make chess pieces for funsies. Not a bad investment at all to have on hand, especially if there's a crafter/ cosplayer/ diyer in the family that needs to sand something... with the circular rotating blades smh. Not everyone can have a circular saw in the gargage, but this? Same thing but tiny and portable, like Little Cricket. 👍

[@peen2804]

@@67Pepperjust use a hand file or something. I’m sure you can figure it out. also isn’t really something you make while out and about lmao. Could also use any number of alternatives that don’t require power tools. It’s literally just metal supporting a cup on a tuna can lmao. Again I’m sure you can figure it out. mfs act helpless about the most trivial things conceivable

[@forzex96]

In my country tuna cans are filled with olive oil or sunflower oil so you can just open a hole with a knife on the tuna can and put a piece of paper, let it soak with the oil and light the paper. You have a nice candle and if you need more power just open more holes and put more paper.

[@poutinedream5066]

THAT was a more useful tip for me! I was gonna ask how much was the circular saw 🤣. This is hardly an "on the go" emergency stove (to be fair, he never said it was).

[@jamiehamilton6887]

in my country the country is filled with little twigs and stones and u save 1.99

[@samuelbuell5423]

Haven't done this since I was homeless. You can substitute the dollar tree tongs and the home depot saw/grinder for a combination of sticks and dirt as your tools AND appliances. Literally. Dig a hole in the ground that fits the size of your can. You can use sticks, rocks, your hands, whatever. Make sure the hole is wide enough to fit your can, but deep enough to act as a 'stove eye'. Last step is to aerate your ground hole so that when you put your pot on, it doesn't just extinguish the fire. Find a decently long, mostly straight stick and penetrate a small 'tube' hole from one side going to your main stove hole. Do the same to the other side. Finally, light your can, stick it in the hole, and get to cookin! This way, all you need is: Can - 1-2$ Cardboard - Free if you know where to look ;) Unscented Wax Candle - 1-2$ Dirt - FREE Sticks - FREE Pot - 3-5$ and a way to light your cardboard sternos! - Lighter? 1-3$ ALL for a maximum of $12. No workshop needed!

[@governedmoth1749]

I believe the point is that you can mass produce this for later camping trips. Not once your out there.(I hope)

[@jonbutcher9805]

Oh, i get it. It's the teach a man to fish thing.

[@KatanaFPV]

How long do you reckon this thing burns for?

[@jz4057]

Wow you figure it out. I thought i was supposed to bring the 300 lbs machine, a generator and an electric stove on the camping trip and make it at the camping ground. 😂

[@governedmoth1749]

@@jz4057 yea, I saw a lot of hate on the video with people trying to call it out for exactly that. So I made this comment in hopes that people understand you're not supposed to try and make them once you're out there but before hand instead.

[@JeSt4m]

@@governedmoth1749 Or just.. y'know buy a portable camping stove.. or bunsen burner or something Unless you already got the angle grinder it'll be far cheaper to just buy portable stove that can be re-used for a lifetime.

[@qwertykeyboard5901]

You can use paper towels (as wick). And rocks for a stand.

[@ianmurphy76]

You can always use birch bark and sap if you run out. Also using a syrup tin allow you to relid it. I edited this comment after a comment below.

[@drewroy22]

Never use a paint tin unless you want to end up poisoned. Smh

[@ianmurphy76]

@@drewroy22 ok a syrup tin and good point on the poisoning. I might edit my comment.

[@RTanna89]

Syrup tin? Is this a Canadian thing? I've never seen syrup in a tin and I'm in my mid 30s.

[@ianmurphy76]

@@RTanna89 Tate and Lyle thing. Most definitely British.

[@whitneyboyd7801]

Now this I do remember making in Girl Scouts but not the criss cross metal piece or the wind block either. This is amazing!! Thank you!!

[@Rizlawizard1]

Just buy tuna in sunflower oil and once you eat the tuna, just stuff the cardboard in. The sunflower oil will work as the wax. Also if you slightly squeeze the can the lid from the same can can be made into the cross at the top.

[@lynnodonnell4764]

Wouldn't that have a stinky fish smell ?

[@AtomicRenegadez]

​@lynnodonnell4764 if that's the case then the salmon can he used in the video would have the same smell

[@chuckroyal]

​@ninefingers7975 no it wouldn't. There was nothing left in his can versus the sun flower oil sitting with fish in it for months to years. Completely different.

[@Icetea-2000]

@@lynnodonnell4764Tough shit

[@lynnodonnell4764]

@@Icetea-2000Hey Mr Tough Shit, I do plan on trying this concept out. I found the wax. I just asked cuz I have a neighbor from hell who everytime she smells something 'off' coming from my yard she reports it to the City Nuisance Dept. She reported me for weeds and it was an area that I had planted herbs! .She recently moved- what a relief!!! Before she left I found out from a neighbor she turned in 5 households for what was to her 'nuisance issues'. That's how she said Goodbye to us. So I was just hesitant to give this idea a try. I didn't need yet a another notice perpetrated from this 'Karen' Demon next door....

[@RomilKolesnyk]

We call it “Trench candle” in Ukraine. It’s widely used on the front line to cook and to dry clothes

[@CasperHarris950]

Slava ukraine you heroes

[@michaelbrinks8089]

Hope the war can end soon....If Trump had won again in 2020 there'd be no war right now there. All the idiots who voted for Biden ended up unknowingly helping to get a bunch of people killed.

[@GuitarRock86]

With the billions of dollars sent to your country it's strange to read something like that. I'm kidding, i know, corruption.

[@ElonMuskrat-my8jy]

Little Russia belongs to Great Russia. Stop fighting a civil war for the West.

[@kasag37]

Slava Ukraine, stay in the fight. We are with you to the end. Love from America

[@cionybunda-paja2804]

Great idea for outdoors. Everything about the can with rolled cardboard and the melted wax is handy. Thank you. I'll keep this in mind. However, I'll substitute the base with 3 or 4 rocks. I've cooked this way at my Girl Scout adventures.

[@johnnycovenant2286]

Just use the bottom of the coffee can so you can have a windscreen and grill in one piece

[@tommaika9121]

I agree with you on the rocks. If you look around hard enough you can find some elongated thin rocks that can crisscross on top of the can. OR place a series of rocks thicker than the can width, around the perimeter of the tuna can to prop up your pan or pot.

[@gg-ct3fo]

Or just use the stove you used to melt the wax

[@Tactics_Actual]

@@gg-ct3foyou bring your kitchen stove with you camping? Please upload a vid!

[@gg-ct3fo]

@@Tactics_Actual no I was referring to the one the stove the guy in the video used to make his DIY stove

[@wini_Taiwan_0509]

之前有學習的打開，油漬鮪魚罐頭插入粗粗紙巾條，點燃後煮個麵條或水等等，燃盡後，下方的罐頭也加熱好可以吃了

[@stgermain1074]

When made those in Girl Scouts in 1969 when I was 8. Although we used the coffee can (with air holes punched in) as a stove. You could put several tuna cans in the stove and put the plastic lid on to keep them dry.

[@lynnodonnell4764]

Most EXCELLANT comment. And when we actually LEARNED stuff in GirlScouts. Love from a Boomer!

[@Mcc49Tlc37]

Yes, it was our hobo stove! Thank you girl scouts! ❤

[@Scriptorsilentum]

friskies Cat food tins are about the same size I think. next to them in the pet food section hanging in the grocery aisle you can buy a pair of plastic tops to fit the can.

[@stgermain1074]

@@Scriptorsilentum What I meant is the plastic lid on the coffee can (back when they were metal and had plastic lids to hold the coffee). You could put several tuna-sized cans in the coffee can stove and keep them in there with the coffee can lid.

[@ChessIsJustAGame]

Cubscouts about the same time.

[@johnwgarrett1]

I like using a Fritos bean dip can because it comes with a lid that you can put on after it cools down.

[@since1876]

But the most important part of why you'd want to use that is because you have a valid reason to eat Fritos bean dip before you make it 🤤 "Babe, I know I'm on a diet, but if we go camping and don't have any of these, it might be hard to start a fire!!!"

[@johnwgarrett1]

@@since1876 yessiree

[@jonslg240]

Yeah the method in the video is crap lol. "All you need is a tuna can, $100 in power tools, a source of electricity, some straight thick metal.." You can do the same thing by barely opening the can just enough to get the tuna and juice out Then stuff cotton in and press the lid back down and poke holes in it.. Then you can use some rocks that are taller than the can to surround the can with, and place your pot on top of the rocks. This guy is telling us "this is a survival skill.. but only if you are in your own backyard with working electricity, power tools, and other materials" lol This is the most useless video I've ever seen.

[@since1876]

@@jonslg240 uh, I'm pretty sure no one ever suggested that these would be made anywhere other than home. This is a PREPARATION video, not a survival video.

[@clarkkent6819]

@@jonslg240 😂 what a modern human you are!!!

[@tomwisser953]

This is an old boy scout thing. We also took an old metal coffee can turned upside down with a few holes drilled in the sides for air flow. The bottom of the can has a natural indentation that will hold some cooking oil and we used to make fried potatoes and ham on it...ahhhh the simple good Ole days

[@ProleDaddy]

Somebody didn't like doing dishes 😂 We'd bring pots and pans. I seem to recall I always did dishes.

[@globalsolidarity55]

We also just wrapped meat and potatoes in tinfoil and put it right in the fire. Mmmm

[@HPSMRE]

I made these when I was in Boy Scouts back in the mid to late 50s. Memories …

[@susanrhodes9079]

Old Girl Scout thing too. LOL

[@emilejantjies1883]

My eyes started burning, from watching the smoke after he extinguished the fire.😂😂😂

[@mowgli2071]

Getting the wax is the big question. Save your dollar store pillar candles, when you burn them, in a ziplock bag. You can use the scraps to do this, or you can "feed" a jar candle with them

[@xMrBlack]

You can get big bags of tea lights at the dollar store too. I think it's like 150 or so. Melt off the wax and save the wicks

[@mowgli2071]

@@xMrBlack if you have a few tea lights, you might not need this setup. Walmart sells packages of 100, or they did, and I've got three or four 100-packs. Given inflation I wouldn't be surprised if they only sell 50-packs now. You'd be surprised how compact they are compared to expectation

[@mowgli2071]

@@xMrBlack the biggest pack of tealights that the dollar store usually sells is a 4-pack. Also, nowadays Dollar Tree is $1.25 for everything, so the tea lights are now 30 cents instead of 25

[@patriciatoomingtheplantpar2558]

Girl scouts we called this a buddy burner, we all had to make them, but we used a larger can with an air window over the top as a cooking surface. We kept the rubber can top to put all our stuff in, burner, lighter, matches and soap to coat the inside to clean out the soot, fit nicely in one package

[@ChaoticIntervention]

I’m a little confused on your instructions. But sounds like a good idea would you be able to explain these steps a little better?

[@patriciatoomingtheplantpar2558]

@@ChaoticIntervention what part don't you understand? We made the burner part like he did, minus the stupid cross thing, we used a larger can (think metal coffee can) that a 2*2 square was removed from the open end on the side as an oxygen window (keep the plastic top) smear some liquid soap all over inside the big can, it makes an easy job of cleaning the soot off with water when you're done cooking, when you lite your burner you turn the big can upside down over your burner (flat bottom side up) you can then use a pan on it, or a small pot, cover it with some foil and cook right on the surface for one burger or eggs ect. When you're done cooking take the flat surface of your big can upside down and place it right on the burner to snuff it out. Take your large can wash it out, real easy if you have soaped it. Then once your burner is cool enough to handle, everything fits in the bigger can, your lighter/matches, small bottle of soap, burner, tin foil squares we used to put on toilet paper rolls in a Ziploc bag, extra square of wax, your fork, knife and spoon put the lid back on and it's altogether. Hope this explains it😊

[@ΜαρίαΕφραίμογλου-γ4ν]

​@@patriciatoomingtheplantpar2558καταπληκτική περιγραφή σε ευχαριστούμε 🙏❤🇬🇷

[@jdniedner]

Same in scouts! Same name too. We baked small cakes in our commercial pizza sauce can "ovens"

[@grannyplaystheslots9561]

Yep, was doing this 60 yrs ago in girl scouts. Amazing how this generation thinks they are so clever.

[@happyinhilo]

Or, leftover candle ends.

[@rawpraisehorn]

I bought the tongs at a thrift store for about 5 cents , and I have already been using the “ tuna can / wax “ burners for awhile , now I just need to put it all together . I will probably use folded aluminum foil for the wind screen … Another modification to keep the wax from melting all over your pack on a really hot day ( in addition to putting it into a small plastic bag ) is to cut the top of the tuna can off with the an “ outside of the top cutting can opener “ so that you may use the top of the can for a lid . I always carry a little bit of black vinyl electrical tape wrapped around my flashlight anyway , so I just tightly circle the top of the can with the “lid” on , with the tape , and everything is , water (and wax) tight , sealed . I really like the pot holder set up made out of the tongs .Great Idea !

[@wildeyedfae]

LOVE the wood thrush song in the background💜

[@larroqe]

"here's how to do a cheap DIY camp stove. First what we need is a store-bought camp stove..."

[@daetonspicer7728]

“DIY” are you homeless do you not have a stove he didn’t say make a stove out of natural resources

[@mahbuddykeith1124]

“Thinking quickly, Dave made an improvised camping stove out of a squirrel, a piece of string, and a camping stove.”

[@naz6james570]

​@@daetonspicer7728 well I dont have a grinder, pretty sure that way more costly DIY than a portable stove.

[@governmentghost01]

​@@naz6james570nobody is telling you to buy an angle grinder for the sole purpose of making this stove lmao it's for people who already have one

[@AsokaTw-mz3lr]

if you don't want to spend a cent. just find three rocks, keep them as a triangle on the ground, put dry leaves and branches and light. congratulations you have a cheap stove now.

[@dianamattson1195]

We made a version of this in Girl Scouts back in the 50s made with a tuna can and a large tomato juice can.

[@pamelaleone2926]

Buddy burner lol

[@randybugger3006]

​@@pamelaleone2926 yes! Buddy Burners! We were still making them in the 80s!

[@watamatafoyu]

Would be nice if we could still train kids on survival skills without having to worry about Molester Lester

[@barbaraferron7994]

We didn't add the fancy grill made from knives. We just used a kind of can opener that makes triangular cuts to cut a lot of holes in the big can along the top and bottom. Put the cooking pot on the big can over the tuna can in the girl scouts in the 1960's.

[@watamatafoyu]

@pumpkinmaster8044 I can what?

[@ELOAAMinistries]

My Mom taught us take these! We used to camp as kids on the upper porch of our home!!! Thank you for the beautiful memory! Blessings and Grace!

[@brookelord3448]

You should try to get the plastic off of the inside of the coffee can so you don't breath fumes from burning plastic.

[@watamatafoyu]

How do you get high then? It's not like joints are lying around everywhere

[@topbrasstv8867]

​@@watamatafoyuyou mean to tell me you don't bring weed when you go camping? Oh brother you're doing it all wrong🤣🤣🤣

[@watamatafoyu]

@@topbrasstv8867 I wasn't asking you.

[@topbrasstv8867]

@@watamatafoyu but I'm asking you

[@crying_hippy]

made these back in the late 70's, they work great! Much Love and God Bless

[@tmoney1487]

How long do they last? From the size of the can and the amount of wax used I'd estimate 2-3 hours but i dont really know as ive never used one.

[@crying_hippy]

@@tmoney1487 weeks

[@zoezzzarko1117]

In girl scouts yesssssss 😇🤣🙆‍♀️🙆‍♀️🙆‍♀️🔥🔥🔥💥

[@crying_hippy]

@@zoezzzarko1117 beavers haha God Bless and Much Love

[@randybugger3006]

These were called Buddy Burners in the Scouts. If you have a metal coffee can as well you can modify it to be a griddle cooktop that goes over the burner. It's the perfect size for an egg and a slice of summer sausage for breakfast.

[@zer0harts]

link you mean a link of sausage a fully formed uncooked sausage isnt a slice of anything... its a link from a chain of sausages.... did you maybe mean ham? you def slice ham

[@randybugger3006]

@@zer0harts Maintenant, dis quoi? It's a summer sausage! It's brown, about a foot long, comes in a paper casing, tastes like meat flavored grease? Surely you know it!

[@dalehood1846]

Good video! Make a small "rocket stove" out of cans, it uses twigs and leaves, small woods trash for fuel. Except when the woods are wet with rain water. This is where this stove would really shine. Easy to light also. Thank you. Thicker metal from the hardware store could make this stove and parts longer lasting. I have thought about going to an Amish hardware store that has stainless steel furnace pipe for making a rocket stove for a small frying pan or kettle. Stay safe, learning to do these things BEATS INFLATION, or if the power goes out. All the best and may God bless.

[@MetaView7]

about the wind screen, if you cut the can into 2 half-circles, and position them slightly offset, you can create a vortex that will make the fire twirl.

[@Rotorhead1651]

Advantage?

[@throttleblipsntwistedgrips1992]

​@@Rotorhead1651 heat. More oxygen= more heat

[@digus]

Won’t all the wax melt and drip out though?

[@MetaView7]

@@digus Only the windscreen, not the candle stove.

[@funforall9741]

​@@Rotorhead1651 cool factor and easier to store away 2 halves of a can

[@Cyberhlopchik]

This thing also known as “Trench candle” - became very popular at Ukrainian frontlines this winter

[@walterbrunswick]

and then the Russian artillery blew everything into bits and pieces

[@walterbrunswick]

Hello from Ukrainian 🇨🇦 born in Canada 🇺🇦 Happy to say I haven't supported Ukronazis sincd they started m j f d e r i n g civilians in Donbass in April 2014 aftef Турчинов declared ATO 😢

[@Cyberhlopchik]

@@walterbrunswick then why do you live in the decaying west that full of anglosaxes and nazi supporters? Go live in blooming Russia, I even know a couple of especially attractive cities, such as Shebekino and Belhorod lmao

[@floo1465]

@@walterbrunswick then the russian artillery was annihilated by a HIMARs. your little putler’s on his last legs, buddy

[@colbycabbiness]

God bless you!!

[@worldtraveler930]

Hey I remember these from my days in the Boy Scouts!!! 🤠👍

[@philholman8520]

Awesome! I just have to make one! Thank you so much for sharing your ingenuity! 🙏👍✌️🇬🇧

[@LBCB94025]

*Always use a lid when boiling water!* it can help save energy/fuel and makes it boil faster! 🧐🤔🤨🤷🏼 A pot and lid are probably the most important thing in a survival situation!!

[@justingagne2518]

🎉

[@pedroclaro7822]

THE most important thing? XD In a survival situation you’re likely gonna end up turning to wood for fuel, meaning a proper twig stove will be most relevant. Someone out there in the hiking community has tested the effectiveness of pot lids and found that they’re not worth the weight for tall skinny pots like this, and only so for pots that are wider than they’re taller. That said, an aluminum foil lid never hurt anyone

[@LBCB94025]

@@pedroclaro7822 _ive personally tried boiling water at various altitudes and various containers!_ *It makes a HUGE difference!* *_Its no less than 60% faster!!!!_* I majored in college to be a park ranger! (Amongst other things once id finished all their classes*) _And i took 'basic', 'intermediate' and 'advanced' "outdoor skills"!_ We went backpacking in the middle of winter in Yosemite** I lived in the woods(off grid*) for over 6months*

[@LBCB94025]

@@pedroclaro7822 *its the most important thing!* _(after the container to boil water itself!!)_

[@pedroclaro7822]

@@LBCB94025 how about 1 shelter 2 fire 3 water 4 container 5 food And you could even place clothes and a knife above all those

[@351clevelandmodifiedmotor4]

or just buy a big pack of those flat candles and make a stand for a pot or pan with a couple of bricks or green thick short bits of wood and a wind shroud put about 12 candles together light them the candles under a pot or pan will cook most foods, I started with ramen noodles and frankfurters , after awhile I was cooking steaks and eggs and bacon and egg pies etc when I was homeless living in my car

[@MrBilld75]

This is good for when those tea lights inevitably burn out, while still leaving a lot of was in the tin. That's how I make these Hobo stoves. Get any old candles, throw them in a double boiler and melt them all down, pull the old wicks out of the hot wax with a fork (seems to work better than a spoon) and make these out of them. A lot less of a pain too, than lighting 12 tealights. lol.

[@ronheydon117]

Looks like a great idea. Thank you for this.

[@TheSuwanneeMama]

One of my favorite Girl Scout projects in the 1970’s! I should make a couple to go in our hurricane supply box!

[@theunknownandunsolved6963]

I still have a few of these, i use them for cooking during power outages. They work very well and burn a long time. If we lose power in the winter i usually have the wood stove burning anyway. 👍

[@claires3562]

How long do you find they usually burn for?

[@unripetheberrby6283]

​@@claires3562I'd like to know too ^^

[@robertott2631]

So you don’t use them since your wood is burning.,? So yes the POS are a waste of fucking time., just burn wood

[@tortugalisa4748]

Sweet!😃 Thanks, As a single mom, these savings are great...and it's great info for my off grid property! Love the sounds of the birds in the background💚

[@DrtyTreeHuggr]

You're not off the grid if you're on KZbin.... 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@screenname6829]

I make torches the same way. I just roll the cardboard till its the size of a soda can and soak it the same way. Cheaper wax works best in the winter Citronella wax goes out a bit easier but repels bugs

[@battleofarmageddon1366]

Thank you!

[@screenname6829]

@@battleofarmageddon1366 anytime 🍻

[@kayjohnson4062]

I too made these with my cub scouts, and girl scouts. They work very well. I like the wind guard from the coffee can. We used a cooling rack to set on top. Thanks for the video down memory lane.

[@RobertAguilarJr]

The irony of having to use a stove to melt the wax to make a stove. Just use the stove you used to heat your coffee.😂

[@Happywarrior100]

Yep. Made this at girl scout camp in the '70s. It works!!

[@iheart801]

And Girl Scouts were also still making them in the 90s.

[@petuniafuzz9083]

They taught me this in Girl Scouts 1975. ,😊

[@leebliss3622]

For anyone in a survival situation who doesn’t conveniently have powered metal cutting tools on hand ~ just use two pieces of cutlery lay them next to each other not crossed over, to create a simple grill, then you can put whatever you need on top, less risk of falling off too

[@BenBen153]

So glad I spent an hour and paid $5 to make this instead of buying that 20 pack for $2 each online.

[@pnoodl3s775]

Capitalism is one hell of a drug

[@navaro1060]

I know. He is idiot😅

[@dean9261]

Link?

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

What how much is a can of Sterno?

[@rwwagner]

But you did something. Buying stuff is way lamer.

[@Simrit1]

I love this!! I definitely want to try this. Thank you Sir🙏🏼🙌🏼

[@cptsuperstraight6924]

Love the birdsong. 😊

[@myfirstcrappyvideobilly]

Thanks. We're going into winter and I'm still in the streets. Last year I made one but it took a lot more tools.

[@hooptroopers]

How's it going buddy?

[@myfirstcrappyvideobilly]

@@hooptroopers it's going

[@thecursed01]

this is great for small camping related events (music festivals, airsoft)

[@Jacqie_Lee]

I gotta say. These sorts of videos are so helpful!!! I wish I had more survival knowledge. Thank you!!❤

[@tashahansenpersonalaccount9633]

We made these at 4H camp back in the late 90’s or early 00’s they were so much fun to make Although I believe we put a coffee can wit a hole in the side over them (back when the big ones were still metal)

[@doncarsley2532]

Well I have everything it takes to make it. Even the wax left over from when my mother used to can stuff from the garden.....in the 1960s

[@nathanwest4670]

Thank you. I I've been contemplating this idea of how to do that. Because I live in a tent at the moment. Here in Canada its the middle of winter rn propane is better used to keep you warm rather than cooking with so what I do is I. buy those heat in a can or emergency fuel cells. But I really like this idea so thank you. 👍

[@FredoTheMan1]

I love watching these videos.

[@MikeBenko]

I use my commercial gas camp stove to boil some wax to pour into my DIY camp stove. Oh I'll also cut up some cheap metal with a power tool quick. 😂👍

[@arepiz83]

Use stone only.

[@ramonitar3628]

Thank you!! The video is really important to me!😊

[@t3-tofinototuk.333]

Yep, I used these as part of my winter survival kit in the car. I put it inside an upside down coffee tin with a section cut in the bottom and small can opener holes around the top rim for air flow. The bottom of the coffee tin functioned as my stove/frying pan to cook on. The wax did have a tendency to smoke though. Other than that it worked like a damn.

[@NotCreative479]

Seams like a fun weekend project. I still like my qt can with toilet paper and isopropyl alcohol though. The reusable lid makes it nice. But I like the way you made your grill, so I might have to make one for the paint can.

[@The_Raven_1025]

Paraffin can catch fire if you melt it without using a double boiler

[@MrBilld75]

I make these Hobo stoves all the time and always us a double boiler. You can however, do it with just a pot, just don't put it over high heat.

[@hermestrismegistus3962]

Lol I only came to the comments section to find people telling him he's doing something wrong 😂

[@commonconservative7551]

@@MrBilld75 or don't spill it, accidents happen when "being careful"

[@commonconservative7551]

@@hermestrismegistus3962 don't burn your house down inventing a two bit stove. or spill the flaming wax on a child , THAT would haunt you for a very long time

[@MrBilld75]

@@commonconservative7551 Oh, I am super careful when making them. The hobo stove can is right next to the double boiler on the stove about 8 inches away, so it doesn't have far to go into the hobo stove. Then I leave it to cool and set and I don't move it till it is set. I usually do 2 of them at a time and I never have much wax in the pot, because I am usually melting down a bunch of spent tea lights with leftover wax in them, because the wicks inevitably burn our before all the wax is used. lol. So I typically only ever have enough wax for one or two. About 2 inches of wax in the pot, maximum.

[@pharaohsmagician8329]

You can keep on refueling these too! Make then out of tealight candles. Need to add half a broken tealight in every 5 min and no less, and a whole pack of 24 tealight can burn for 6 hours. Vey enjoyable. Need some kind of clay terracotta pot under it to catch any wax that drips out however. It can get very messy if you store it in your pack so have a lid and bag. Lid to put out the fire then wait till it cools since the wax is liquid for a few minutes after extinguishing. Do not pour water or soda on it since it explodes after hitting the wax. It gives off very minimal heat but alot of light. Refueling lets these be perfect mobile campfires for smoking a joint at/chilling since you dont have to gather wood or risk making a big fire with ashes embers etc this just burns very self contained in the fire can and no risk of setting the ground on fire or leaving hot embers etc. Very safe especially for fires in places you want to sit at and dont want to bring sticks with you. Bring small chunks of wax from a large candle and you can burn this for hours and hours and never need to stand up to gather fire wood.

[@lionhearted6545]

Wow thats awesome. I like that. Need to try this. Nice.

[@PaulSchortemeyer]

Or build a refinery, process some crude oil and make your own gas...

[@E-RaY-zor]

Yeah easy to make for those who have the tools. No one has.

[@rapilos]

If you don't have any tools, you don't deserve camping

[@martmart.]

yea guys, so if indeed you have the tools, then leave this comment alone, this comment "isn't for you" 😂

[@martmart.]

@@FingerSpazm surprise, it is for some. idk, i shouldn't have commented that. some people can have things, some can't. i'm not trying to bring down the idea that you can. neither making a boohoo story for those who can't. why do we insist it's either 1 or 0. i'm not even into camping so why am i involved here. alright. my bad. bye

[@StalwartTirith]

Love the amount of people who utterly missed the point of this comment. E-ray is clearly saying that this "cheap" stove is only cheap _if you have all the expensive crap the guy used to make it_

[@SophiaSutter-n3d]

Wow that’s rlly easy will be using it all the time ty

[@TheSentinelStone]

Ah good times. I remember making one of these back in the day and we put it under one of those giant cans used for something like crushed tomatoes to make your own pasta sauce that had been cleaned up and had a notch cut out of it. We cooked bacon and eggs on top of it the next morning.

[@randybugger3006]

Was that a Scouts thing? I did that when I was in the GS. We cooked slices of summer sausage and eggs on them.

[@TheSentinelStone]

@@randybugger3006 not quite, but sort of? It was a church thing called Royal Ambassadors if I recall correctly.

[@patriciabernard8386]

About 70 years ago I belonged to a group of young girls called Campfire girls and we made a burner like this called a buddy burner. Nothing new under the sun.

[@reedy_9619]

Some ppl werent in your group 70 years ago and some kids stroll around the internet or ppl that havrnt had the idea. It’s intended for them, the world doesn’t revolve around you stop being a cnt

[@Roman-ms7sx]

Может скажем ему, что для этого есть сухой спирт

[@eksophia]

I love the Wood thrush in the background ❤

[@lonestar1068]

So at camping you need to ruin a tongue, and need a grinder and electricity all that to make a great little camping stove ? Genius

[@absolutelyunepic3072]

You make them to store easily for when you end up needing them

[@mking8242]

That flimsy metal can and will break off easily and I'm sure you can cut the grooves with a good pocket knife and big rock

[@o1497]

Ah yes, the classic camping equipment, a mf saw

[@breef.8599]

I mean, exactly. That's why you do it before you go. Awesome for backpacking or just lightweight hammock camping. When I dont need a fire for warmth a 5 second fire for food is amazing. I usually make about 6 at a time.

[@roofcake8951]

It says "DIY." Not "make this in a survival situation."

[@EchoJ]

@@roofcake8951it also says “cheap,” and if you’re looking up ways to DIY a camping stove, odds are you may not be able to afford construction/home improvement equipment like electric saws🙋🏾‍♀️ Not everyone knows someone with power tools to lend, either🙋🏾‍♀️ On the other hand, TEMU has the whole shebang for just $10; Amazon, $12.50🤷🏾‍♀️

[@squidport_]

Who said it was to make when camping? If you wanna make joke at someone else expense at least use your brain

[@o1497]

​@@squidport_ The tile is "DIY cheap CAMP stove" You use your brain

[@clickytheblicky9895]

You didn’t need to ruin the tongs, just put a rock or 2 on top of the tuna stove

[@elroma7712]

or you know, scavange on a junkyard for metal

[@deejay5954]

cut the top and bottom off another tuna can and bend it slightly and notch the edges so it sits on top of the stove can

[@MikeySkywalker]

Yeah that was such an unnecessary part.

[@monopolizedopamine]

​@@deejay5954 it's annoying that he marketed this as DIY and the only method he could come up with included a damn angle grinder.

[@michaelsorensen7567]

​@@monopolizedopaminewhy is it that some people think DIY means "absolutely no tools required"? I mean, if you prefer a hack saw that's fine, but anyone doing any amount of metal work is going to need an angle grinder at some point. You can buy one for $20 or less. It's hardly an industrial plasma cutter CNC...

[@thisguy7175]

It’s cheap until you need an f’n grinder…