DIY Off Grid (Whole House) Solar System - Victron, Fimer, Pylontech

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MAKE. DO. GROW.

MAKE. DO. GROW.

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10kVA max output (from parallel Victron Multiplus inverters), 14.4kWh of Pylontech batteries, 5.3kW of solar panels. This is stage two of four of our off-grid DIY solar system install.
We've been running off solar power (with very occasional generator use) for the last two years. But now that we've had an electric heat pump installed as we gear up for the winter, we wanted to future proof ourselves with more energy security. Join us today for a tour of our upgraded solar system and a discussion about why we've chosen to be off grid here in rural Portugal.
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@FreeFinca
@FreeFinca 11 ай бұрын
Been on solely solar for just over a year now. That feeling of security is priceless. Also, not freaking out about having the air conditioning on 24/7 at this time of year is hilarious 😂
@najarago
@najarago 11 ай бұрын
Since you have switched to a string inverter, all your solar panels are now operating as one solar panel. It's recommended that you now orient your solar panels in the same direction. This is because right now you are not getting the full potential out of the panels. Panels in a string are always all as efficient as the least efficient panel in the string.
@gerardvriend729
@gerardvriend729 11 ай бұрын
Agree,
@gerardvriend729
@gerardvriend729 11 ай бұрын
I understand you already have this system. It’s a waste of energy but if you buy Enphase 8 you have a safer system and 230v ac straight from your panels. I hope you still have the grid to level out your system.
@MAKEDOGROW
@MAKEDOGROW 11 ай бұрын
At the moment it really doesn’t make a difference …. there is way too much sun at this time of the year for our needs. When we put the panels on the carport we’ll optimise the positioning, but right now there’s no need
@assuncaomeireles198
@assuncaomeireles198 11 ай бұрын
Estou completamente de acordo. Bem hajam e voltem sempre 👍👍👍❤❤
@techwhizard
@techwhizard 9 ай бұрын
That's not correct. String inverters have multiple MPPT's which allows for set of panels facing different directions on each MPPT
@dirtyharryw.3617
@dirtyharryw.3617 11 ай бұрын
Congratulstions. We live in Germany and we decided to avoid the burocracy to get the approval for a victron system.we run our house electric supply including the heating to 75% based on our island system. Only in Winter it will be supported by the grid.
@bryansarty3821
@bryansarty3821 11 ай бұрын
I really appreciate how you two share the details of information for all your projects (equipment, materials, assembly, costs, sources, etc.). It is invaluable. Thank you again for a very informative episode.
@ruthkirkparick3535
@ruthkirkparick3535 11 ай бұрын
And all that is why I will stay tuned to your channel until the day I die. We are just at the beginning of our reno/resto. The structure was built as a cottage in the late 1940s (Ontario-Quebec border, Canada). Even though our situations are vastly different, I learn so much from you two, and that just opens doors to finding out what we could/should do for our particular needs. You're also just plain fun too.
@livingladolcevita7318
@livingladolcevita7318 11 ай бұрын
well done guys. Talking about payback using my energy bills as a rough calculation it would take about 13 years. I have recently installed a 3.2 Kw system with a 3.2 battery and even more recently added another 3.2 battery so 6.4Kw. Cost was about £12,000 all in. Many of my friends and others kept saying you will never get the cost back, I'm 66, but I point out to them it's for my son who will inherit the house and in any case the money wasn't earning much interest in the bank. Looking forward to updates.
@derekcole4949
@derekcole4949 11 ай бұрын
Many of your friends are wrong 🙂 I went solar and battery and I believe it has added to the value of the house, which many forget to factor in. Kudos to you Sir for choosing to invest in green infrastructure rather than going on a retirement cruise 💯🙌🙌
@Gummmibaer
@Gummmibaer 11 ай бұрын
Nice! Im sure payback time will not be a problem. And as said in this video: Theres also an ethical side to using renewable Energy. Its funny that regarding energy many people only look at the bill but when buying a car no one talks about "Payback time" or something
@richardbartlett6932
@richardbartlett6932 11 ай бұрын
@@Gummmibaer Your car analogy re payback makes absolutely no sense. PB is valid as there is already a supply available. Therefore to compare grid V solar makes perfect sense. However PB is often fudged as most kit will breakdown long before break even meaning you're forever chasing PB.
@richardbartlett6932
@richardbartlett6932 11 ай бұрын
It's true there is no chance of ever getting PB at 13 years because the equipment won't last that long. ESP the inverter as they traditionally only last 5-7 years. On the bright side, at least you seem quite happy to throw money away. Saves the kids fighting over it I suppose. :-)
@richardbartlett6932
@richardbartlett6932 11 ай бұрын
@@derekcole4949 "typical home could increase its value by £1,891-£2,722. Solar property commands a price premium of c. 0.9%-2%" .. and the older the solar gets the less value it will add as the buyer will have to factor replacement costs or possible damage to the roof etc..
@pinheirokde
@pinheirokde 11 ай бұрын
Just to confirm that solarshop is indeed a great provider. They were super helpful some years ago setting up my system...
@derekr1113
@derekr1113 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for your pioneering work with the energy system. I am in total agreement with you over dealing with large utility companies and especially the impact of fossil fuels on the environment.
@pumkineater7219
@pumkineater7219 11 ай бұрын
What pioneering work? we've had a bigger off grid system years ago in Spain, just not advertising it on youtube.
@thenullco
@thenullco 11 ай бұрын
​@@pumkineater7219 What a juvenile comment. Two parties can be pioneering in their respective situations. Congratulations, you have a bigger system. This video shows a couple taking an ancient farmhouse off-grid. Also commendable. Who made you the gatekeeper? 😆
@lauriebauer6909
@lauriebauer6909 11 ай бұрын
​@@ArmadilloGodzilla Carbon emissions! Global warming!
@pumkineater7219
@pumkineater7219 11 ай бұрын
@@thenullco the null in the co says it all. Fact is … it’s not pioneering work in the true sense of the term. As for the “gatekeeper “ term … you said it. Just pointing out a fact!
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 5 ай бұрын
KZbin is FULL of this for years, what are you talking about??
@NickAskew
@NickAskew 11 ай бұрын
I think my last point (for now) is about safety. I don't want to sound alarmist because the fact is that battery systems are incredibly safe but there is always a chance that something could go wrong and a fire is started. If I understand the layout of the house then your equipment room is pretty close to where you plan to put the internal stairs and where the external stairs are now. My suggestion would just to be on the safe side, put a fire resistent layer on the ceiling and a fire resistent door on the room and a smoke/heat detector in the room (ideally linked to others in the house) so that in the extremely unlikely event of a fire starting in that room, you have plenty of time to use the stairs. We plan to install ours in our garage connected to the house and the garage was required to have fireproofing in case a car caught fire.
@deego237
@deego237 11 ай бұрын
Solid advice! it's also inexpensive in the long run if you consider the materials/labor that they already put in the flooring and stairs.
@garywinten5674
@garywinten5674 11 ай бұрын
I too would advise considering not only the fireproofing but also the ventilation in your utility room. The PV inverters are currently "ticking over". Once you start your canning, cooking and whatever else the inverters have a lot more work to do and just like us humans, they too will start to warm up. With all the other equipment in there in could get quite warm. Please remember standard electronics are built for a maximum ambient of 25C... Without venting you will probably reach that easily even in winter.
@Gummmibaer
@Gummmibaer 11 ай бұрын
Smoke detectors are always a good idea.
@MAKEDOGROW
@MAKEDOGROW 11 ай бұрын
@@garywinten5674 if you’ve watched previous videos you’ll have noticed the beginnings of our ventilation install in that room already
@garywinten5674
@garywinten5674 11 ай бұрын
@@MAKEDOGROW Sorry Guy. I must have missed that. Appologies.
@LambySRI
@LambySRI 11 ай бұрын
Currently have a MP2 5000va, 150/45, 100/20 MPPT's, 3.2kw solar, and 14.5kwh storage running a 3 bed semi off grid in the UK using 75/80kwh a week. Its my dream to move to Portugal and live offgrid! Love what you guys do!
@lindawhite5006
@lindawhite5006 11 ай бұрын
I have great admiration for both of you! Your honesty and willingness to share pros and cons is refreshing. Thank you for taking your time and sharing with us. 🇺🇸
@royking7298
@royking7298 11 ай бұрын
FYI: You probably know, but, none of this equipment lasts forever. I had to replace an inverter when it was about 10 years old, that was around or about 2015 and it cost me $1,100. I did no do any of the instllation. Panels were guarenteed for 15 yrs, but expected to last significantly longer. Just something to keep in mind as time passes. I can easily say, that gettin PV solar installed on my home in California was the best thing I ever did for the house. Second best was getting the walls and ceiling (built in 1920) insullated. Good work guys! Keep it going!
@peggywhite93
@peggywhite93 11 ай бұрын
Exactly
@padimills1494
@padimills1494 11 ай бұрын
Pretty excited always to get a new video from you both. Love what you are doing. I am living vicariously through both of you.
@michaelellard4664
@michaelellard4664 11 ай бұрын
Looking at your system and thinking back . Here in Ireland have come from oil lamps and batteries to seeing you system in 60 odd years is fantastic.
@diannehalliday2165
@diannehalliday2165 11 ай бұрын
Well done on bringing the old home back to life!
@RTC057
@RTC057 11 ай бұрын
Nothing but admiration for you both and the way you work together its fanatstic to see.
@christinecowley3120
@christinecowley3120 11 ай бұрын
Great idea keeping everything in one room with-in the house, all looks very neat and tidy!
@julianolan2860
@julianolan2860 11 ай бұрын
Thanks that was so clear. What a great project and I love the reasoning and thinking.
@MGBranco
@MGBranco 11 ай бұрын
Congratulations guys! Excellent video! You're doing a very important job giving quality information out for almost free helping a lot of people in the process. I am moving to a stone house in the middle of Portugal and your videos helped a lot! Thank you guys! Cheers!
@gaynor3976
@gaynor3976 11 ай бұрын
Interesting video thank you. Your panelling and cables look very neat indeed xx
@Esther.B7520
@Esther.B7520 11 ай бұрын
You guys are great at explaining all of that stuff. I guess you learn a lot as you go through it. Thank you for sharing the knowledge. ❤️🙏🏼🥰😎👋🏼🇨🇦
@sheilam4964
@sheilam4964 11 ай бұрын
I really appreciate your picture schematic of your solar setups from original to present. 👍👍👍👍👍
@Logiwonk
@Logiwonk 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video - I wasn't aware of this new AC coupled system as an option, good to know!
@florentinalily
@florentinalily 11 ай бұрын
Thankyou; absolutely fascinating. I am posting on your details to Dan at Escape to Rural France - who is currently renovating (or re building) a chateau single handedly and is looking to be off grid. Will certainly keep this episode tagged for future reference.
@dannave7816
@dannave7816 11 ай бұрын
I think you have done a good job on your solar setup. Sounds well researched. I also like the cleanness of the setup. Makes it easer to maintain and troubleshoot too.
@stevenkeller3047
@stevenkeller3047 11 ай бұрын
I agree with you, Guy. I like a nice, neat system. The utility room looks great.
@vickyoakes4584
@vickyoakes4584 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing this important information. You are correct, this platform that we all enjoy is a sharing and learning source, and that's what makes it so nice.
@fernandinand
@fernandinand 11 ай бұрын
Great upgrade! SolarShop guys are the best! A warm welcome from Alvorge!
@scottyandhutch
@scottyandhutch 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Guy, you make a technical, and potentially boring topic, interesting and easily understood.
@hvanderp578
@hvanderp578 11 ай бұрын
Very inspiring, you will convince quite a few people including me to go that way, thx
@inabates8919
@inabates8919 11 ай бұрын
You always have very interesting vlogs, even when a lot don’t apply to me, but will to different degrees to many, cheers guys, thank you 🙏💋❣️ In other words a one stop shop for all your power, got it😉👏👍
@jeannamcgregor9967
@jeannamcgregor9967 11 ай бұрын
I love how you have had the foresight in designing your original system to be able to grow and adapt so very little equipment has to be tossed and replaced. So impressed with all the thought that went into this. Well done on the research end!
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 5 ай бұрын
"His own"??? He said it was the Solarshop guys!
@markhellemans3440
@markhellemans3440 11 ай бұрын
Very interesting to have this explained. I had my solar system installed some 13 years ago. At that time no batteries existed. I live in Belgium, so not really a sunny country. And the costs of that rather small installation were about the same as for your much bigger system now. But it was and is still worth it, even though in winter it does not produce enough for my needs. Thanks to some tax advantages at that time for solar, I recovered the costs in about 7 years. If I ever move to another place then I would certainly install solar again and consider also a heat pump.
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 5 ай бұрын
7 years only? While paying your electric bill?? That's strange.
@jacquelinerichardson9771
@jacquelinerichardson9771 11 ай бұрын
I learn so much from you, you have a great system set up.
@j.phillips4080
@j.phillips4080 11 ай бұрын
About 10 years ago I looked into a "DC-coupled" system with the night-time battery-producing 110VAC here in Northern VA. I estimated 60kWh max peak, but with my installation skills, payback was only 10 years. At the time my short-sighted electric utility "co-op" NOVA would have charged me a still-sizeable connection fee (with the provision to provide needed peak power on a series of weak-charging cloudy VA winter days!). 10 years on and I'm still living in the same house (but have replaced the "stupid shingle" roof) and my electricity bill averages $100/month. I wish I had done it. As an electronics engineer I'm not totally convinced that facing all the panels in the same direction and angle is absolutely necessary. Certainly peak output power would be reduced (and reduced peak power losses), but overall diurnal output power may be greater (over some threshold) by pointing some panels also towards mid-morning and mid-afternoon sun positions. I like the choice of the "AC-coupled" system for the "cooking shed" since you're probably sleeping inside the house during these (hot!) nights. I'd tie-ho on the Garage install. I'd imagine that fast electric car chargers are 400VAC 3-phase only and you may want quite a beefy 3-phase inverter to drive that. A small panel and standby battery could provide lighting in the dark there. I'd temporarily mount your (spare) panels on the fragile outhouse roofs to drive the house "DC-coupled" system for night-time comfort. Just my suggestions. Enjoying this channel (and the previous channel - yeah, thanks KZbin).
@opakistrano
@opakistrano 11 ай бұрын
Hi there 🙂 You two are absolutely great in the way you think! You are practical and conscious about the critical points of Our"normal" western daily life style. Well I agree about all the reasons you mentioned here! I am trying to do the same (a bit scaled down) here in Italy while renovating my new home.. I am following your working progress since a while now and you are of a great inspiration for me! Thanks!
@MrJgois
@MrJgois 11 ай бұрын
thanks for all you are sharing, i'm build a house in portugal near Coimbra, and i'm planing to go full out of the grid, and I appreciate all details you can share. keep the great work
@nickfosterxx
@nickfosterxx 11 ай бұрын
You both did a great job of explaining, thank you. For many decades, the tobacco companies profited while denying their understanding of the destructive, often lethal effects of their product. The fossil fuel industry is no different. They knew fifty years ago. And while we are still all dependent on the almost miraculous energy density of their product, now we all know too. Must feel good to be able to break away.
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 5 ай бұрын
Who do you think are the biggest shareholders of solar equipment? Big oil ofcourse, do you think they've changed their ways? What about learning something about rare earth minerals mining and its environmental impact, while you're at it might as well want to check the open air dump fields of dead lithium batteries, which, contrary to lead, are too expensive to recicle Don't be a fanatic, it makes people act silly.
@aaronpbailey
@aaronpbailey 11 ай бұрын
I’m very much looking forward to the networking video, especially if you’ll be networking the entire property.
@d.j.robinson9424
@d.j.robinson9424 11 ай бұрын
Excellent video guys, I love it that your informative and educational whilst being entertaining. Makes me want juice, seeing those oranges on the ground.😎👍👍🍊🍊🍊🍊💙
@kerrylynnparsons7879
@kerrylynnparsons7879 11 ай бұрын
What an incredible set-up!!! This is a foreign language to me--but also something that I want to do with my small home in the country in Ontario, Canada. I would be the smallish cabin in the woods across from a lake. 🥰❤️😎 Well done, folks!!! 😎😎😎
@raydunn99
@raydunn99 11 ай бұрын
Hi Guy & Kylie, another great video, really appreciate being able to share your journey (from the beginning). Your channel has long been a staple diet of mine, as an electrician i have so many questions about your solar experience, my main one is in what capacity did “solar shop” help. Id love to do what you have done(the whole project) but being an armchair enthusiast I’m still gathering together some “get off my arse and do it” and trying to commit to selling up and moving like you have done. it also looks so rewarding living and working in the sun. I am in awe of your commitment. I love watching your real life failures/minor cock ups and then success stories, Guy’s sense of humour and Kylie’s knowledge & never say die attitude wins me over every time. It’s so great to watch you both. Thank you.
@end7550
@end7550 11 ай бұрын
13,500 euros is really reasonable. I thought you would say 30,000 euros. Thank you for sharing. You both are very inspiring people
@nataliaghidirim1655
@nataliaghidirim1655 11 ай бұрын
very welldone, super insightful, thanks guys
@brokenhill8590
@brokenhill8590 11 ай бұрын
Kudos to yr mechanical room and its development and installation. I am a fan of installing things that look good, and installing it the right way, this long term makes its pleasing and IF troubleshooting is needed, makes is easier. Labeling will help it even more. Also creating yr documentation is key to making things top notch overall. Again well done, looks amazing and you both make it look easy and work wonderfully as a team 😊. One last comment … in total agreement on big companies and the paperwork/time to get work done, costs and its impact on you. Going solar is 😊 the right direction, independence and scalability is in your control.
@vladvoinea2118
@vladvoinea2118 9 ай бұрын
I resonate with your perspective and narrative in general. Liked and subscribed ;).
@samhartfieldlewis5247
@samhartfieldlewis5247 11 ай бұрын
Really interesting nice one. All very good reasons you were on about, sounds like got a brilliant overall project on there ✊
@luminyam6145
@luminyam6145 11 ай бұрын
I think you are right too. That was such a great video, thank you.
@davidwilson1043
@davidwilson1043 11 ай бұрын
Nicely explained and justified
@stevengilleyOU812
@stevengilleyOU812 11 ай бұрын
You two are awesome!
@grantwassell
@grantwassell 11 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing 👍
@johngoncalves
@johngoncalves 11 ай бұрын
Great episode, great explanation and great reasons.
@nancibishof6462
@nancibishof6462 11 ай бұрын
That seems quite a reasonable investment as it should pay back within 5-7 years for your entire system. Thank you for providing so much information.
@allgoodnamesaregone649
@allgoodnamesaregone649 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, very inspiring and positive
@jrae5085
@jrae5085 11 ай бұрын
Great video. Eloquent explanation of your build philosophy.
@tiagoacg
@tiagoacg 11 ай бұрын
Although less efficient due to the efficiency loss of the rectifiers (the proper name of the conversion from AC to DC to charge the batteries), the AC coupled has two advantages: you minimise the losses on the cables when transmitting on AC (or you save a fair bit in cable by having a smaller section) and you can power higher AC loads by not being as restricted by battery DC max output (despite having energy or not, instant power rating which can be limited, instead the limitation is on the sum of all the inverters output power connected to the same bus). Depending on the distances you would need to run the cables on a DC system, the earlier inversion to AC might compensate the loss of efficiency of the rectification (at most by keeping £ in the pocket on the cable price, allowing for an extra battery in the long run for instance). In case you have a lot of inductive loads (pumps, motors, etc) and you find yourself limited in batteries max instant output power, if your inverters allow, consider a string of lead acid (yes, old school) batteries just to help in the starting phase since lead acid will give as much power as demanded (although for a very short period of time compared with lifepo) which is just what you would need. Note: I'm an electrical engineer 😀
@ronsbeerreviewstools4361
@ronsbeerreviewstools4361 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting a very informative solar system, thumbs up and I subscribed cheers !
@martinzb1612
@martinzb1612 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this one Informative!!!
@Bobrogers99
@Bobrogers99 11 ай бұрын
In addition to the benefits of going off-grid that you've mentioned is the reliability factor. Although you don't have the weather conditions that I frequently experience in New England that interrupt my power - the worst in a recent winter was four days - in a rural area such as yours, there could still be a prolonged breakdown in the power system, and you don't want to lose all your frozen garden produce! High-quality, properly installed electronics rarely fail if not abused, so you should have reliable electricity for years to come. I understand that solar panels may lose efficiency over time, but they can be replaced when necessary as part of your maintenance schedule.
@MAKEDOGROW
@MAKEDOGROW 11 ай бұрын
Currently there aren’t too many power outages here, but one thing we forgot to mention is the voltage surges that happen. It’s quite frequent and can really mess with equipment
@bs2592
@bs2592 11 ай бұрын
Love this setup. I think i might move to Portugal....❤
@simonpaine2347
@simonpaine2347 11 ай бұрын
It seems like you are going to have regular high usage. I would suggest that you use busbars for the batteries, rather than daisy chaining them. Those cables will get hot and loose power, as well as potentially draining and charging the batteries unevenly. Great looking system. 👌
@richardbartlett6932
@richardbartlett6932 11 ай бұрын
Those are the manufacturer's cables. There isn't a way to busbar them as they are socket and plug fitment not tabs and bolts.
@petersort2192
@petersort2192 11 ай бұрын
Having just installed my own solar panels ( UK ) i found what you have done very interesting, you might find panel and battery cost have reduced since your system was install and panels have got better I have 12 Trina 410 watt panles a 3.8 Kw hybred inverter and 2x 4.5 kwh pylontech batteries my cost inclouding scaffoling cost was £8000 best thing i ever did. Keep up the good work guys.
@dougiee6589
@dougiee6589 7 ай бұрын
This is ingenious off grid solar vudeo I've ever seen
@wedointernetpros
@wedointernetpros 11 ай бұрын
This is excellent information .
@rafa31370
@rafa31370 11 ай бұрын
Muy buena información para mi casa de pueblo lo voy a tener en cuenta 😊❤
@simonyapp
@simonyapp 4 ай бұрын
Great system , thank you
@mannymota3442
@mannymota3442 11 ай бұрын
Excellent video. May I suggest however, that you DO present more regarding your solar system (such as install, etc.). I discovered your videos some time ago ("the other channel") because you were taking about your first solar system. As a result, I have watched most (and yes, clicked on the like button) of your videos. Although renovating a house is very interesting to me and I learn a lot, one can not live without some type of energy source. I agree with your philosophy about not using oil-based products and big industries, so solar is a no brainer to me. As you further state in this video watching people do things is very valuable so again, I encourage you to consider showing more about solar and energy efficiencies. I may not be able to renovate a house in Portugal but certainly I (many of us) can adopt/adapt your approach to becoming energy efficient. Thanks!
@avyitis3425
@avyitis3425 11 ай бұрын
They made it clear in other videos that their channel is generally not about instructing people how to do things but a channel about their lives, showing WHAT they do, not necessarily HOW they do it.
@leafside
@leafside 11 ай бұрын
I’m in the process of renovating a small ruin in Portugal and want to go for solar as really hate the idea of all the visual pollution which will absolutely litter our now clear and green view and surroundings with electricity poles and horrible night lights! But wow I’m feeling extremely overwhelmed as I know ZERO about it all and it looks so complicated! So videos like this help to teach me a little.. thank you xx
@MAKEDOGROW
@MAKEDOGROW 11 ай бұрын
We didn’t know anything about solar before we started, but watching a LOT of KZbin helped. There are some great videos on the Victron channel
@leafside
@leafside 11 ай бұрын
@@MAKEDOGROW thank you for the recommendation, there are so many out there it’s hard to know where to start!xx
@MAKEDOGROW
@MAKEDOGROW 11 ай бұрын
@@leafside another great channel is Will Prouse, though you do have to disregard some of the U.S. specific stuff
@leafside
@leafside 11 ай бұрын
@@MAKEDOGROW thank you very much, I will have a look xx
@NickAskew
@NickAskew 11 ай бұрын
Great video guys. We are living in the Netherlands and have had on grid solar where essentially the grid acts like a battery for many years (around 10) and it has really helped but it's time for us to move towards battery storage in house and both ourselves and a neighbour have both come to the conclusion independently that we want to go for Victron and rack mounted batteries so your video is so appropriate. I have a bunch of questions and observations but I think it best to split those out. Keep up the pioneering work.
@antoniogoncalves7372
@antoniogoncalves7372 11 ай бұрын
On average, a Portuguese household spends €80 a month on electricity. Have you ever thought about how long it will take to get a return on investment? Think that at this moment in Portugal more than 66% of the energy consumed is already renewable.
@ninemoonplanet
@ninemoonplanet 11 ай бұрын
What's not calculated in energy costs are the costs of maintenance of the poles, transformers, wires that are the links in the grid. All of those will get more and more expensive over time, so independent power generation means a flat cost for years, with do it yourself repair capacity. Storms etc take down grids every day now, and it will be worse in the future.
@evelinebronsveld1559
@evelinebronsveld1559 11 ай бұрын
@@antoniogoncalves7372in the Netherlands my niece needed to set up her electricity and gas supplies again for the new contract time, which is 1-2 years and was forced to go from €150/m to €600/m as the company increased all their prices. Changing to a different company doesn’t make a difference. In Portugal your are still paying much less for your energy than the rest of Europe.
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 5 ай бұрын
No it's obvious that northern countries will spent insane amounts for heating in the winter and probably also more in xummer with AC. Luxurious lifestyle is over for Europe, globalism is making sure of it alonside with tech development.
@SwimCoach8
@SwimCoach8 11 ай бұрын
Thank you. I have been studying up on solar for quite a few years. I always like the fact it is so scalable. In my research I've stumbled on Micro Inverters, from Enphase. Liked what they are doing enough to buy stock in the company. Each panel having its own small inverter. A friend used them on his system. A problem or shading of a single panel doesn't affect the production of every panel in the chain. Their app also allows for real time monitoring of outputs by individual panel. The micro inverters would be ideal for the system I am looking into and I understand they are not ideal for every application. Our winters in Pennsylvania are not ideal for solar production, so grid tied systems are almost a must. Going off grid in our area would require a sizable panel farm to make it through a few weeks to a couple of months with crappy sun exposure. You will recoup your investment much quicker than you imagine. Calculating payback time never seems to include rate increases. Given the current state of fossil fuels...Rate increases may be quite hefty in the future. Have you considered a back up/portable generator (Small one) for emergencies?
@MAKEDOGROW
@MAKEDOGROW 11 ай бұрын
We only briefly considered micro inverters … discounted mostly due to cost (in comparison to alternate solutions etc). We already have a small generator and it will be the emergency backup - we had to use it quite a bit last winter where we had 40 days, not consecutive, where there was no power being generated
@SwimCoach8
@SwimCoach8 11 ай бұрын
@@MAKEDOGROW BTW your layout and wiring is very nice. The wire chases and box choices make the install look very very professional.
@patricklyons7683
@patricklyons7683 11 ай бұрын
You need a victron display screen 7"!! Great setup
@PawelGonera
@PawelGonera 11 ай бұрын
I can only watch and admire. My 7.3 kVp system makes in January whopping 160 kWh, where I need 1200 kWh. :( Perks living 1000 km south. Keep up great work.
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 5 ай бұрын
😆
@kebergify
@kebergify 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant. I love the information sharing as well as the Guinea Pig approach. I tend to agree with you in that it will pay off in the long run. I'm also surprised at how little it has cost...I honestly assumed it would be more. I think this is something very intelligent to do so that you have control.
@end7550
@end7550 11 ай бұрын
Yes, I was impressed by the costs. I will defo invest in it when we move to Portugal
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 5 ай бұрын
You like the idea of being a Guinea and still pay thousands?? 😄 Crazy, but there is nothing in this project that is experimental considering the imense amount of homesteaders that vlog their solar systems installations for years...
@Ogma3bandcamp
@Ogma3bandcamp 11 ай бұрын
Respect. Much respect.
@rickclarkson-pi3cj
@rickclarkson-pi3cj 11 ай бұрын
Nice mate
@mariannebhatia7245
@mariannebhatia7245 11 ай бұрын
Very very interesting. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
@kofManKan
@kofManKan 7 ай бұрын
Bravo!
@strawbs16
@strawbs16 11 ай бұрын
Great to hear about your system but also the choices for why is just as useful, thank you. Are you going to be installing any solar thermal as well or will you be using the heat pump for all hot water?
@setaripantheon8801
@setaripantheon8801 11 ай бұрын
Really hope you get One or Two Low-Wind Windtubines to complete your nice system! 🙏🙏🙏❤
@MAKEDOGROW
@MAKEDOGROW 11 ай бұрын
We’ve done some research into these and it doesn’t look like the return is worth the investment. But for experiments sake once the carport is built we’ll probably get one to test it out so we can report first hand on the data
@dianeleirer9878
@dianeleirer9878 11 ай бұрын
Learned so much, as always, when watching your videos ! I’m wondering if you have to worry about lightning strikes on a solar panel system and any damage along the chain of devices connected to the panels?
@mariushegli
@mariushegli 11 ай бұрын
I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.
@dcawkwell
@dcawkwell 11 ай бұрын
I currently have a Portuguese house that is off grid. My own experience even with 5.6kW of solar panels is that I still need to resort to using a generator to top up batteries at some times of the year. If I had the option of connecting to grid power for a backup at a reasonable cost I would do it at the drop of a hat.
@richardbartlett6932
@richardbartlett6932 11 ай бұрын
I'm not surprise, I helped a friend install 2 x 3.5kw of panels recently . On a cloudy day the generation was 750 watts total. Not enough to power the house + charge the batteries. Luckily when the sun comes out he's got plenty of power. He's going to add panels to the max which the inverter can handle of 2 x 4.5kw per circuit to try to boost it up . During summer it's great and he's dead happy but my gut feeling is he won't save anywhere near as much as he was hoping/expecting over a 12 month period.
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 5 ай бұрын
If you didn't do the math a priori for an inverter to accommodate more panels...you made an expensive mistake! In that case I advise you to keep the recipt and sell it as soon as possible and upgrade it, also double or tripple those panels and every few years buy a battery.
@nigeldolman954
@nigeldolman954 11 ай бұрын
Great work. Love your vids and I watch them every week. Was it difficult to pair the victron inverters?
@ishaantyagi
@ishaantyagi 8 ай бұрын
Galvanized iron pillar structures can speed up the shed making and double up as building blocks for a shed if you keep their height long enough. They are fairly easy to assemble too! I have a structure if you'd like to see :)
@Sema4beach
@Sema4beach 11 ай бұрын
Hmm Looking Good✅
@dper1112
@dper1112 11 ай бұрын
Many high end solar charge controllers handle overloading. That's great for you, or for whoever uses them, because solar panels are relatively cheap compared to almost everything else, so it makes sense to buy a lot of them.
@race-it
@race-it 11 ай бұрын
Same in Spain with the levels of supply kw’s. If you go over they trip you off.
@viruzzfx
@viruzzfx 11 ай бұрын
Nice.
@annekeolivier9646
@annekeolivier9646 11 ай бұрын
Tnx for being the guinea pigs 😊
@stevewoodw
@stevewoodw 11 ай бұрын
The tier based system based on outlets did sound like a bit of a problem. When I was thinking of turning my garage into more of a workshop (it's in a block a few meters away from my house), I was thinking of wiring it up with small consumer unit, sockets, lights and switches and having a plug that I could take a 40m extension cable to and then plug the whole system into. So, the garage has no connection to the mains, but if you 'plug it in' all power going through a small breaker box, you have what would be exactly like a permanently mains wired system. If you're using the higher powered equipment, you're only likely to be using one device at once - it wouldn't be a challenge to the system. The typical extension cable would probably work ok for a small workshop. The alternatives do include having several electricity meters and billed electricity accounts for different areas of your property. In some ways it sounds like 3 phase would suit you but the high power equipment you want to be able to use but two 3.45kW metered systems may be more than enough but there are two standing charges. I don't know how much it would be an inconvenience to have one of you using mains powered equipment and the other using the solar on lower powered equipment - this is your dilemma....
@solarlifeportugal657
@solarlifeportugal657 11 ай бұрын
We have a 3 phase off grid solar system which powers the car, air conditioning, swimming pool, appliances and our irrigation system and three separate buildings. The main issue in Portugal is not just the cost and time consuming nature of the energy company but also the nature of the winters which we wouldn't be able to cope with on your system - we charge the car at 44kwph - let alone all the other appliances but as it is silent, non polluting and with the Tesla on country roads - a great deal of fun!
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 5 ай бұрын
You have a homestead and ypu don't heat with wood???
@solarlifeportugal657
@solarlifeportugal657 5 ай бұрын
​@@buteos8632 No we honestly don't heat with wood - aside from it being a fairly valuable asset to sell these days, we use it for mushrooms, Planking and making furniture. We love an outdoor fire, when the weather allows, but my lungs and the mess have put us off fireplaces and the solar is awesome. You will have to pop over and see sometime, we are good friends with the Marshes and Luke and Sarah.
@ellentaylor4351
@ellentaylor4351 11 ай бұрын
Excellent impressive🇬🇧
@LeticiaTrujillo-xy6dr
@LeticiaTrujillo-xy6dr 11 ай бұрын
Very informative video. I hope all your plans work out. Only question I have is, is it wise to have your water system (heat pump) in the same room as your electrical. What if a pipe were to burst and spray water in the room.
@richardbartlett6932
@richardbartlett6932 11 ай бұрын
As regards electricity prices, a few weeks ago on two occasions electricity wholesale prices fell to zero , IE they were generating so much energy they had to give it away. As solar esp self generation & wind increase those days will increase. This has always been the concern with the big energy generation companies. AS it was mentioned recently they won't be energy producers, rather energy managers. How they price is going to be very difficult. Once people know they are getting 'free' electricty and charging us for it plus the potencia (which is supposedly the grid charge) is again going to be difficult. I also agree regarding the big energy companies being extremely difficult to do business with. In Spain they are extremely powerful with 'friends in high places' and lobbying they keep control of how much they can charge.. If you cannot get sufficient power or it's unreliable, or just to lazy to turn things off it's probably worth it but I looked at it and by being more energy efficient the payback extends even further to almost never (without breakages etc) . The real 'saving' is owning an electric car, that makes a massive difference.. Otherwise hmm I'm not convinced.. Going forward energy production and costs are going to be a very hot topic..
@livinginthealgarveportugal3357
@livinginthealgarveportugal3357 11 ай бұрын
We got a quote off Victron because we watch your channel ….we have a small farmhouse 100 square metres plus a small cottage 50 square metres and a bore pump €40,000 😹😹😹😹
@MAKEDOGROW
@MAKEDOGROW 11 ай бұрын
Wowsers! Our first quote was way over spec’d (they made lots of assumptions about usage), so perhaps that’s something to look at. We’re also very willing to change some of our usage habits if necessary- for example, it’s very unlikely we’ll be using the oven, the canning setup and workshop at the same time, so we really only need to cater to the largest of those in addition to the heat pump
@debbielicis6257
@debbielicis6257 11 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks for giving us this information. I am really missing your gardening videos! Can’t wait to see you back out there.
@MAKEDOGROW
@MAKEDOGROW 11 ай бұрын
Coming soon 😃
@bridgwll
@bridgwll 11 ай бұрын
Oh! Dang , I thought you were going to talk about our earthly solar system 😂
@patrikpersson9446
@patrikpersson9446 11 ай бұрын
Well invested money!
@rolandtb3
@rolandtb3 11 ай бұрын
Ethics, control & flexibility based on build schedule, powerline capability availability and tiered rates, maintainability and reliability. Availability of equipment, parts, supplies, suppliers and relevant decision making data. Learning more about off grid life in rural Portugal.
@keyem4504
@keyem4504 11 ай бұрын
I'm convinced that you can live off-grid in Portugal. Maybe your will have to upgrade the battery, but I guess it'll be possible.
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