DJ Akademiks, Russ & the chat Talk Artists surviving without playlists, Shadow ban vs blackball!

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[@ezzyreact]

Shout Out to Russ for coming in to the chat and spitting knowledge

[@wyrmmm]

Russ is right, it's not blackball because a lot of these artists have superficial fans. If someone is really a fan it's not hard to make your own playlist and search for what you like. People are way to entitled to think that every platform should shoove artist in people's face.

[@wrecker402]

If i walk into a Supermarket and my favorite food was moved from Aisle 1 where it used to be with the rest of its kind to Aisle 7, My reaction would be "Oh so this is where i will find it from now on" as opposed to if the Supermarket stop carrying it altogether. The bottom line is as long as a place carries your stuff you are NOT BAN / Blackballed.

[@iknownothing7044]

Casper is conspicuous 😆

[@iknownothing7044]

Maybe Houdini lmao

[@Roger-bj5gj]

The thing is that people that aren’t independent depend on these playlists and aren’t independent for this reason. If an artist drops an album and it isn’t on these playlists they’re sales are gonna plummet a lot. When an artist is independent it’s on them to do their best to sell their music even if they’re not in playlists which is obviously a lot more difficult but Russ has managed to do it. I think a better example to yours is if supermarkets just stopped selling candy/sodas at the register the sales would drop a lot, there’s snack and beverages aisles but there’s a reason why they also have them at the register.

[@wrecker402]

@@Roger-bj5gj ((if supermarkets just stopped selling candy/sodas at the register the sales would drop a lot)) Brah that has to be the dumbest analogy ever. For starters, the only people who would be losing out on sale are the Supermarkets. Candy and sodas sales will never drop due to the fact you can get them at a bazillion outlets like at the Soda/ candy machines right outside those same Supermarkets. The same applies to any streaming and Digital platforms.

[@Roger-bj5gj]

@@wrecker402 what I’m saying is that having candy and sodas at the register will help their sales a lot more than just having them at an aisle, just like artists having their music on playlists will help their sales a lot more than if someone had to go and look for it. You’re acting as if these playlist don’t help a ton with your example. When you go to a supermarket you will most likely get something else that isn’t on your list. Tons of music drops every weak the average person isn’t gonna keep up with every single artist that they listen to.

[@svsuke]

Ak keep having these phone convos, they reay get to the point. No fluff or bs because it's in real time

[@ThUnfilteredGamer_]

Bro look how skinnier AK was in that background photo it’s crazy lol yo bro I want you to live for a long time man please change your eating habits. We need ya here.

[@JFLowTheVigilante]

I learned a lot from Russ through this

[@Iwishiknew87]

Russ is right!! If you have fans we will find ur music and stream it I usually follow them so I know when they have music coming out!

[@faisalishak3144]

Russ's fans have been conditioned in how they find/are exposed to his new music. Most artists fans haven't had that conditioning. Now that people are being blackballed, I'm sure more artist will condition their fans

[@shiki7899]

Russ was waffling

[@frankhernandez6524]

Rappers should just sign contracts that includes that label will “never decrease promoting you regardless of performance or sells”.

[@iknownothing7044]

Arguing over a definition, is not saying it's true or false. Smoke screen, turning theoretical into second notion logic smh

[@JFLowTheVigilante]

Ak got that 69 cape on heavy lol 😂

[@lefeixarager888]

YOU WANNA KNOW SOMETHING I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION AFTER WATCHING THIS WHOLE HOUR VIDEO OF THE DEBATE. THEY ARE BOTH RIGHT AK AND RUSS. RUSS POINT IS SO VALID WE DON'T OWN THESE COMPANIES WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL. AK POINT IS SO VALID TOO AS IN WE ARTISTS SHOULD HOLD PRIVILEGE BECAUSE WITHOUT OUR MUSIC THESE PLATFORMS WOULDN'T BE NOTHING. THEY ARE USING OUR MUSIC TO GET THEY PLATFORMS LIT. YOU GET ME.✍️🏾🤝🏾🔥

[@sunradleo9925]

I remember when all those things were going on with Adrian Peterson while working at Marshall's Retail and they literally took his merch off the floor with a tag on the rack stating its not for sale 🤔

[@RampageYI]

Russ is forgetting 1 thing about himself and that's what kinda makes his point slightly off.

[@roadrunner5260]

Great convo please more like these

[@faisalishak3144]

Russ, it's not necessarily a passive fan, we have shii to do bro. Jobs, etc Spotify prides itself in being very interactive, the more you interact with the app, the more it learns what you like and presents that to you. If all I listen to is Tory lanes and they don't recommend Tory lanes to me when he drops something new, that's not right. That's Spotify going against the algorithm to shadow ban a specific artist.

[@btrue2]

All the unknown artist black balled at this point🤦🏾‍♂️

[@strictly4daculture250]

Ak back with da 🐐 content

[@125henni]

100% with Russ. Ak over talking bout fairness. There isn't much fairness in buisness. Life aint fair

[@cee434_]

Russ is spot on here.

[@TheUnitedDrills]

Russ always dropping gems about the industry. 💎

[@mistasaloneboyofficial]

Some gems

[@shiki7899]

Russ literally said they're being neutral by taking him off playlists ? This doesn't make sense at all

[@jonathanabraham4791]

Play listing is favoriting, allowing his music to exist on their platform is neutral, and kicking him off their platform is “blackballing”

[@mustafamahdixiii]

Russ is right. The reality is playlisting is a privilege that Spotify can take away whenever they want. And Russ is saying that depending on a company IN THE FIRST PLACE is the issue. It's not about "right or wrong", it's reality.

[@jonathanabraham4791]

@@mustafamahdixiii of course Russ is right man. Like he said The prerequisite to getting signed before this internet era was to be able to prove that you had a real fan base that wanted to listen to you AND THEN get the deal. The problem is the majority of these guys aren’t that talented and haven’t really earned the position they’re in and the machine force feeds it to the masses but they aren’t actually retaining any fans. Focusing on garnering a chore fan base is the only thing an up and coming artist should be focused on. The algorithm favors ak but when it doesn’t, AKS core fan base rides with him because he earned their loyalty. True art speaks for itself imo and a lot of this shit out here is force fed microwave music. Aside from Tory lanes cause he has legit talent, I don’t really feel bad for these artists acting entitled and Tory don’t even be entitled he just actually works harder and harder so I respect him

[@jmgmedia45]

he think he meant from that point on he was not playlisted

[@domoab]

Russ I agree with everything you said but neutral is applying the same rules to everyone. They most definitely didn’t stay neutral💯

[@zenandebasela3036]

Nicki is the real artist to be blackballed...she was no where to be found on radio in 2018 till 2021. She also fought for streaming rights, smart way to make money while you not on a 360 deal

[@kiddeath1995]

I learned hella stuff thx AK

[@iknownothing7044]

Stop the chat, why you leave me at the party?? Make sure my grass is cut low from now on

[@K_Diggy]

These artists are being conditioned to get streams, do festivals and they think listeners are fans. They have 20k - 30k(if that) fan bases and that hurts their souls, so something has to be at fault. Russ is right they feel entitled to something that wasn't theirs. The Promotion Machine creates listeners, not fans.

[@BK.Adonis]

I agree with some of what Russ said but he keeps using this point “if they’re paying you” as if the streaming services aren’t making money off these artists in order to even feebly pay them in the first place… he still dropped quite a few gems tho.

[@STR33TJESSUS]

Russ acts like he isn't in the illuminati industry

[@Ushaat]

I think Akademiks is having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that most of these guys careers are fraudulent.

[@cortezttd6225]

nooooo. ak agrees with the fluff and fake relevance, russ is a unicorn tho russ has fans that are really invested in him unlike all of the “top rappers in the game”✌️✊🏽✌️✊🏽

[@Ushaat]

@@cortezttd6225 Russ wouldn't be a unicorn if more artist had the balls to actually work hard and cultivate real fans instead of Playlist listeners

[@iknownothing7044]

Talk about education and I need a nap 😆

[@LR_Tate]

This is what I’m here for Ak

[@cousinbang6568]

ONCE AGAINNN.. THANK YOU AK.. SEE THEY WONT POST THIS.. DROPPING GEM FOR THE NEW GENERATION..THANKS TO RUSS TOO ..

[@Dokotellayeyey]

I agree with Russ

[@IdiaOgala]

Russ is the only one making sense here lol.. Rest of them sound like they’re sensitive and don’t understand business

[@btrue2]

The hard honest truth for a artist to accept is no matter how much marketing dollars put into you if the people don't want you you won't sell.

[@mustafamahdixiii]

I fuck with Russ heavy. He speaking from a place of REALITY and BUSINESS while everyone in the chat is being emotional. Id you're not getting the PRIVILEGE of being promoted by a company you are not being blackballed, you just lost your privilege and have to do more work. The work that Russ has been doing to have an authentic fanbase this whole time. Shits driving me crazy that they think Russ is wrong

[@chelinalkalina]

🔥🚒🔥

[@iknownothing7044]

No hard feelings it's all song and dance at the end of the day lol

[@nickforte7176]

listen: what we’re not talking about is that fact that you ARE entitled to promo from streaming services if you’re signed to a major label or publisher. This is because they have EQUITY in the streaming platforms. If you signed away your intelectual property to a major under the pretext that you would get certain push and get in certain buildings, then it’s inconceivable that the majors would let the streaming services slide on that kind of selectivity. If you’re independent then Russ is TOTALLY right tho!!!

[@MozzieMutant]

I agree with Russ. Research the Hollywood Blacklist from the 50s. Now that is the real blackballing

[@drobb4959]

Russ is one of those ppl that just has to be right 😒

[@swaagd5182]

I'm a Russ fan but he's wrong on this one. Of course it is their company, but if an action is bad we should judge it and that will affect streaming platforms' numbers. If a company fires a pregnant women for being pregnant it is wrong even tho it is their company.

[@khosta6690]

I agree with a Russ. For an example. I'm a huge Lil Wayne fan. Trust me I know exactly when and what to do when Wayne drops an album. I wouldn't need to be reminded or see it on a banner or front page. I check Wayne updates everyday. However the other artists I listen ti that I dont really care for like Tory. I dont even bother going to his IG page so yeah I would never know if he drops with that promo

[@iknownothing7044]

When the Creator and the customer is wrong, that's when I'm out. It's like a chain reaction, when others take heed to your so-called "entitled"

[@devs1357]

Russ is gaslighting hard

[@whoatherekev2002]

I think the take away from this convo should be YES, we dont own the platforms, but that doesnt mean we should rollover and take any unfair abuse from ANY COMPANY. Its like going to a gym and having someone discriminate against a group of people. Like yes its their gym but fuck that its not right.

[@Thecornerdojotv]

6:50 Russ isn’t looking I checked for Tory it came right up

[@babyface2259]

why didn't they just google the definition black balled: the definition is to reject, exclude or vote against

[@jphillip4155]

Nah no cap Russ is just talking about himself and just contradicting other rappers and other peoples situations.

[@strictly4daculture250]

Who won the debate yall Ak or Russ ⁉️⁉️🤔🤔

[@Paro_panache]

that don't mean they're blackballed ak but I get what your tryna say

[@jmgmedia45]

russ was 100% filibustering and he was refusing to acknowledge the full context of the situation tory is facing

[@michel-adrienacadie8898]

Russ Is right

[@pcop2804]

Bro Tory is accused of what a corporation would consider a heinous crime no shit a public company isn’t going to promote him. They have an obligation to ensure profits no matter what and the companies paying for ads on their platform don’t want to be associated with those actions that will represent their brands poorly. Simple business really

[@noRobotpause]

The rules of sales changed and so has black balled. You cant have these new ways music is done and still have a old term of "Blackballed" with out changing that too. I subbed to certain pages on youtube...I would get updates to when they post. I stopped getting them and forgot about the page. Yes I could look them up. But getting suggested is what kept me looking because I subbed. For whatever reasons even though I like them they stopped sending me vids. Thats black balled.

[@BIGGATHREAT]

Free Max B

[@LikeMichaeL]

russ is worth 10 million$

[@familyties5591]

15 million $ he made in a year 207-2018 acc to forbes

[@lilbandit7186]

All of Russ's albums have been with Colombia. He averages 63k first week. Without a label he'll probably do 18,000-24,000

[@laylowphilly]

He just did 50k independent.

[@lastblackmanonearth]

Russ is wrong. Being blackballed has evolved in this digital age.

[@BlackStaticBlueFlame]

Fuccing let akademics talk smh

[@devs1357]

This conversation went nowhere bro.

[@iknownothing7044]

Music has turned into praising from worshiping smh must be the end times, good luck fellas.

[@raynardbmx]

russ just refuses to be wrong

[@dripsupply4717]

Who wants top quality 1:1 reps?

[@dripsupply4717]

Just check me out

[@iknownothing7044]

There is no entitlement to content unless you're controlling it. just wondering where these youngsters are getting this money to push this demonic, chaotic, mumbo jumbo, smoke screen on who's doing the choosing... internet aside

[@FuVkemmmm]

Naw y’all saying somebody blackballed for fans not goin to his shit is crazy ion listen to Tory lanes it’s the same shit so I don’t even look for it same as ddg polo g and all them other mid level artist stay the i never listened to designer. Russ I listen to I have a different respect for him because he doesn’t cry he works

[@iknownothing7044]

Who is they them?? ... don't say it because it starts with anti lmao🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗

[@koajaxx2210]

1st

[@illmind8832]

Russ not wrong I think he gets hate because he white

[@islandbul]

Russ is an artist. Can’t put him in this discussion. Tory is on a different level. Smh

[@bsrdagoat2320]

This conversation is exactly why I don’t like Russ smh dude thinks he’s just levels above everyone else’s thought process but he contradicts himself constantly

[@YoungMannie92]

He never contradicted himself not once in this whole convo

[@gullibletech933]

@@YoungMannie92 start at 41:00. Russ wants to make his point that artists are entitled to think they should be playlisted (correct we agree). but wants to say the platforms are remaining neutral by removing and shadow banning tory and other artists... its a hard headed discussion (because of russ) about semantics instead of furthering the discussion.

[@adamsmith963]

He keep saying we don't own the platform but with out the artist what is a platform also he keeps saying entitled to promo and the whole not you company argument but that's a whole different subject he running around questions like trump