Mustang Boss 429 Only Makes $31,100 At Auction | Fast N' Loud

[@dusty7264]

I bought my Boss 429 when I was in high school, about 1974. Oil embargo, everyone thought I was crazy. Lucky I have held on to it.

[@the-btc-tradingfloor2808]

Nice

[@ceufrscio707]

Good!!

[@NEMPLS]

Lucky!

[@osbaldohernandez9174]

How much back in the day

[@randallparker8116]

I bought mine in 1988 for $8k. Still have it also. 1970 Grabber Blue

[@scottsvt9104]

No the 1969 Fastback is not just a Mustang. It’s one of the best looking cars ever made.

[@fractalign]

It’s hands down the best looking Mustang ever made.

[@scottsvt9104]

@51AB awesome! My dad has a 1969 Mach 1 and it’s such a cool car. The engine is a highly modified 347 Ford Stroker. It was originally a 351 car. It’s a lot faster now though. Looks original on the outside.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@fractalign agreed

[@RoloCar]

Imo that and the 67-68 are the best looking mustang. When you think of a mustang, you think of those two generations.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@RoloCar Agreed the 1967 GT350 and 500 are really good looking. It’s a hard choice to make.

[@CaddyJim]

This was better than I thought by the thumbnail I thought the car sold for only $31,000 not a 31,000 profit

[@lancelot1953]

It is called "Click and Bait", a well-known trick to attack viewers and get one's numbers up! Ciao, L

[@CaddyJim]

@@lancelot1953 True.. Most all the time thumbnails are clickbait or clickbait e or sometimes they're just dumb Miss worded

[@lancelot1953]

@@CaddyJim I agree but in this typical "Reality Show pre-scripted scenario" recipe, I got fooled. Take care, Ciao, L

[@CaddyJim]

@@lancelot1953 I was talking about the thumbnail not the reality show 👍😉

[@lancelot1953]

@@CaddyJim Hi Caddy Jim, roger that! Take care, Ciao, L

[@PeteBreen]

Dennis in his "Keith Urban" phase. 😂

[@xxZerosumxx]

When I first saw him, I was like, is that Dennis? 🤣

[@joeb4275]

You misspelled 'douchebag phase'

[@jskaye-fn8mk]

Nice shoulder pads in the jacket.

[@alexcallas8222]

I didn't even recognize him at first. He looks ill (chemo?) in his current videos, but won't publicly disclose anything, which is OK.

[@alexcorona]

Justin Bieber era, his daughter was a huge fan.

[@lanceduponte8241]

This is one car he should have kept seriously original BOSS 429 instead of putting this car in his collection he sells it this car is part of history you can never remake this ICON of a fantastic car

[@64falcon8]

What was he thinking???

[@alexcorona]

Dennis actually has a couple in his collection, hence why he sold this one.

[@alanalonso6082]

​@alexcorona Unless he has several warehouses, I've personally seen what he has and don't recall a 429 Boss. He does have a white or silver replica with off road wheels, a 68 coronet, red 71 442, (among other kinda cool cars).

[@duainereynolds78]

These auctions have ruined car sales. People in my area think their 72 C10 that's sat in the backyard for 14 years is worth 35K. I bought my 67 Cougar for 700 bucks intact but not running. Now a 67 Cougar with no engine, transmission or interior is 5,000 bucks because a TV show says it is at auction.

[@krogersucks45]

Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

[@TheIbelieveinME]

trump lost

[@louieflash7190]

@@TheIbelieveinME It appears he's still winning in your head because his name has nothing to do with this video. Get some help, dude.

[@TheIbelieveinME]

@@louieflash7190 glad it triggered you snowflake

[@brucemitchell5637]

@@TheIbelieveinME awwww, is big , mean President Trump still living rent free in your tiny brain little fella? Are you going to be OK or do you want someone to call your mommy for you?

[@TheIbelieveinME]

@@brucemitchell5637 did you buy the NFT or how about the card or wait maybe the trump bucks to go along with your little red hat

[@comeandfindme.45]

I would have NEVER SOLD that car.

[@nanopowerselfclean]

Me neither...

[@torinoscj]

These people are NOT car enthusiasts, they are MONEY enthusiasts, nothing more.

[@sneezinhatch]

It sold for 160k if you look at auction results it was just the drama for the show

[@wb5mgr]

So he didn’t exactly make $31,000 either, Barrett Jackson Georges an 8% commission to the seller and 10% buyers premium so he had to pay $12,800 to them out of his profit which means he made less than 20k that he had to split with old boy. So for all the high life he was living in the expenses of spending the week out there that probably means his profit was somewhere around 5K after expenses. And that doesn’t even count what he had to pay his help and the detailer and all that transport fees. He’s lucky if he broke even.

[@alexsalazar5161]

they make money from there show too

[@mistersniffer6838]

He should have held on to it for a few months to get the word out to private collectors and he "may" have gotten it, but, people are maybe starting to realize its just a car?

[@johnjubie7144]

I never feel bad when flippers don't do well. They have ruined the hobby.

[@gt-37guy6]

How so? A flipper can't make a car sell for more than it is worth - unless the buyer is a fool. Rich collectors willing to pay ridiculous sums of money for rare cars maybe have ruined the hobby for the common enthusiast.

[@johnjubie7144]

@@gt-37guy6 I guess I feel the rich buyers and the flippers themselves are an equal stain on the hobby.

[@duainereynolds78]

So if I take my $7000 65 I6 mustang and swap it to a $500 289 it's suddenly worth $65,000 because Gas Monkey says it is? I bought my 67 Cougar for $700 not running. Now because of these shows I can't get a rolling chassis donor car for less than $3,000.

[@evilsimeon]

Collectors ruined prices

[@johnjubie7144]

@beavis_loves_you Not really, that's not what inflation is, blaming "Capitalism" is kind of a weak argument.

[@travisdean8794]

I have a Mercury Marquis that has been in the family since new. 2 door, 429 CJ. My great grandmother ordered it that way from the local Ford dealership.

[@WPGinterceptor460Interceptor]

what are the head casting numbers? will start with a D.. have a look, between the valve covers and the spark plugs.. im willing to bet its a Thunderjet!.. but if you wanna clear the air up for sure, reply to me.... I know the 429-460.. most call me an expert !

[@onlya3rd264]

Can you imagine that old guy probably paid under 1000$ for that car back in the day and just kept it in that storage container for a few decades and then sells it for 127,000$ he probably was tickled pink lol

[@bigmike2149]

That’s what I’d call a solid investment.

[@dangstangs]

Damn, if all my bad decisions only made 31k , I would make as many as I could.

[@richallen5310]

After paying a 10% auction fee to sell it, transportation to him and then to the auction he didn't make 31k. He is dreaming.

[@strattuner]

FLIPPERS are their own worst enemies,when you find as many rare and exotic cars as these two guys do, IF they kept 25% of the rare ones they could quadruple their money,but BUT THEY clean em up and send em right on down the line,RESTORED 102 CARS since 1972,the main thing i learned,is they are ART,AND JUST LIKE ART,THE LAST GUY TO TOUCH IT,GETS ALL THE MONEY,i still have 4 of them for retirement---AND THE JEEP GUY he hangs with ass monkey so he keeps tabs on everything he passes on,which is legal,smart and a good investment,me i'm retired for real now,there' no money to made on anything right now,costs a 110 k to build a 35k to 50k car now,its all upside down and is a good time to sit back and SHOP

[@bruhbry831]

@@richallen5310 yeah which is why he was upset the profits and time

[@donaldmiller4386]

After everything was said and done he's probably closer to 10K profit if that honestly

[@drm9979]

@@richallen5310 B-J adds the fee to the price, not subtraction.

[@GP3_907]

Just bought 69 fastback... super excited to restomod it. It's been my dream car for a while

[@williammay5532]

That's my dream car and I would have never let that go.

[@6SleepySpades9]

Fr

[@randallparker8116]

don't believe it. Everyone wants your boss when you have one. And I mean EVERYONE!

[@jamesc5793]

You can blame Joe and the hoe

[@bassmaster117]

Well there's consumers and there's suppliers. Someone has to sell it to you. Richard already has a 67 Gt350

[@papawoody9597]

A black on black Boss 9 only brought $160k? Everyone in the room must have been asleep.

[@brianfeeney3936]

thus was a good 13 yrs ago

[@blackeye3336]

No it wasn't good even in that condition was like 200k 160 is a great deal

[@nickwillobey2205]

What has Dennis done to his hair?....he looks like 🤣🤣🤣 Liberace!!

[@Robsav-yx6vi]

Growing it out …

[@kennethkirklin6959]

At least he has hair

[@floydschake3467]

Oh my God, I grew up with these guys in French Lake Auto Parts. My Dad was Floyd Schake, we used to buy the mini horses Mr Nolan used to have stomp down his weeds in yard. Built some good trucks out of there too.

[@danasmith1899]

Sounds more like they scam the owner out of the car and get it to one of their buddies

[@Theupstateidiots]

Precisely what I was thinking. 127k+31k is still less than the original guy wanted.

[@terribleTed-ln6cm]

This Boss should have got 200 grand easy...somebody stole this baby, I mean it was an unrestored survivor! Very very rare indeed.

[@srussert28]

Everyone has SEEN what Gas Monkey does. Remember the added two tone and chopped bumpers on a one of one car. I am gonna guess the future buyer figured it would cost 70k to fix what Gas Monkey did to the car

[@Packer1290]

I guess it depends what their buying it for. If its going into a musuem or collection then unrestored is better? If a guy wants to drive it, then maybe he's thinking he needs to spend another $80k to get this thing perfect.

[@Exposedpokeymon]

No it's worth about 300k now lol 😆 no matter who you are or what your personal situation is the market doesn't care if you think prices are high lol

[@allanbrogdon9372]

I drove a 68 fastback in high school. It was my step father's. It was fun,a 302 stock 4bl. He must have really loved mom!

[@poppycock6572]

I answered an add for a 69 Camaro (in the local paper... Santa Cruz, California). He had the Camaro and next to it was........... a 1969 Boss 302 and a 1970 Boss 429! The 302 was light yellow and the 429 was grabber orange. Neither ran but they were complete. He wanted a lot for each (at the time 1984) but I left with the Camaro. Light yellow, dark green interior, 307, auto. Crager wheels and 26,000 original miles for $2,600. He also had a Sunbeam Tiger. Red, black and I think that was a 260 with a 4spd.

[@gvet47]

I bought a 1969 off the showroom floor in 69 but it only had the 302.😥 But I wish I still had it.

[@trevorclements3578]

Richard, I'm thinking you need to leave the Stang's alone, Denise has better luck bud. Much love

[@hambone2335]

I’ve seen one of these Boss 429s in a Odessa TX that was black. Ford only made about 500 of these Mustangs.

[@luish777]

Daum Somebody got a hell of a deal that BOSS is only going to worth more and more.

[@jerryhablitzel3333]

Something fake about this. Why would someone shove a rare mustang in a container and sell it dirty. The clean up/ get running thing was missing some info. Cars like that don’t get flipped.

[@sneezinhatch]

The guy gets paid by the tv show also in sure he gets asking price

[@ronjaime3493]

Richard is such a dreamer. Cracks me up the price tags he puts on these vehicles.

[@cheldosarmiento2733]

Just cause he got his hands in it he acts like it adds like 100k lol just like his ford GT was a bust. It was wrecked and wants just as much as an original one that's not wrecked

[@daddyschainsjewelry]

didnt have to scroll long to find the first hater

[@cheldosarmiento2733]

@@daddyschainsjewelry facts

[@redsview]

@@cheldosarmiento2733 he's a noob

[@ShaunHensley]

@@daddyschainsjewelry well yeah, the dude is a big time d-bag 😂

[@jasoneverley8164]

Paint and bodied a 70 about ten years ago and my friend just sold it for 75,000 the other day, so i was pretty proud of that.

[@Deploracle]

Car flippers ... you did pretty well for doing next to nothing.

[@babbalonian2]

No he didn't, he made almost nothing on the car, youtube views is where he made the money. There is a 8% sellers fee at Barrett,,,,it would have cost him 10k in shipping, ,,,,to his shop, and to Barrett. The c0ke and who4ers for the weekend,,,would have cost much more.

[@jeffjack3877]

I know. I was about ready to bring out the worlds smallest violin and play it for that grease ball.

[@ThunderAppeal]

@@jeffjack3877 I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[@stonequarry1]

its weird how much Dennis changed to the way he is now and how Richard is the same after all these years

[@gordocarbo]

People usually dont change. Maybe for appearances sake only most times

[@nowitsabadtime]

Holy Cow is that Dennis! Never seen him that young, he looks like a teenager, this must've been a long time ago. Boss 9s are about half-a-million, today

[@richardbarkley9909]

This video was obviously made YEARS AGO!!!! Look at Richard and Dennis!!!!!! Why just post it now??

[@hunterphille1280]

The Boss 429 is my favorite car of all time. I'm especially fond of the 1970. I wish that Ford would bring back some form of the big block Boss back, even for one model year before they bend the knee to the government in this nonsensical bid to try to go all electric.

[@Bmcghee1976]

You just should have kept this one what is wrong with you always throwing away the best cars for a little profit you didn't need to make profit off this mustang you should have kept this one

[@AutoYoung]

RICHARD DOESN'T READ THESE!!!

[@MrJohnDoe1978]

On top of it this video it's around 10 years old...

[@AutoYoung]

@@MrJohnDoe1978 Exactly...

[@pascaldeslongchampsmoncton1490]

The guy flips cars, that his job, nothing to do with the car, if he thinks he can make good profit on a car, he goes for it. He can't sit on it for too long.

[@299charles]

@@MrJohnDoe1978 Yeah….Dennis’s Hair gave it Away……2 be an old video…..

[@t.l.robinson2162]

The '69-'70 SportsRoof is the most beautiful Mustang of all.

[@jimgill7524]

Oh hell yeah👊Dennis's hair is amazing 😁

[@jasonpoletta1797]

That profit is way off. After fees getting the car out there and pay roll he probably broke even.

[@josemedeiros007]

That's a really cool Boss 429!

[@calartian85]

My dad bought his ‘70 Boss 302 for 18k. The only car he ever regretted having sold.

[@joshthemediocre7824]

i love a version of every year mustang ever made. I've even seen people make mustang II's sweet.

[@randallparker8116]

1984 SVO. 4 banger with a sweezey turbo. can't even put it to a 280ZX

[@JamesJoyce12]

when a guy gets a bieber haircut at 13 and decides to go with it for life

[@robertkleinschmidt1029]

That car was never going to sell for 300k lmao this friggin guy 😆

[@64falcon8]

If you are lucky enough to have a car like that in your possession, You DO NOT run it through an auction, especially at NO RESERVE.

[@Reaper-cm4jr]

I'm afraid that if I EVER got my hands on a 429 it would never be sold again.

[@thomassenemounnarath3278]

127 spent, made 160, after taxes, etc, made 15,000 doing nothing.

[@mariuskuhrau761]

Yep, Richard should have known that if you do not put a reserve price on the car at auction, then the risk factor of taking a huge loss is always possible. I have seen an old man selling his dream car a original Shelby many years ago, with no reserve price and the final bid was almost &90000 less than what he thought he will get. He was so angry and told the auctioneers that they have scammed him and demanded his car back. Of course they said no and not even a good lawyer could convince the old man, that he took a huge risk and got far less than anticipated.

[@DLHarv]

You have to buy it back at that point then just pay the auction fees which usually run around 25%. I agree though no reserve is bs and I would never make a deal for a nice car like that.

[@LarryMyers-x6m]

Whats the problem with the sale of the boss 429 ? Ritchard made some profit on it and thats what its all about is making a good profit .😊😊😊

[@georgemartin7717]

Some VERY LUCKY person just put the screw to Richard who put the screw to the old man. What a vicious cycle😂! That car's price has no where to go but UP!

[@gordocarbo]

PRices will crash just like everything else does. Zoomers and Millenials wont be collecting these guaranteed THey are old junk in their eyes. Too bad Ill be dead by that time so I Can buy more. ARound 90ish couldnt flip muscle cars anymore the gold fever had started going nuts

[@299charles]

Dennis going back 2 the 70ssssss

[@kelvincarolinaboilawton803]

😂😆😂😆😂 Richard & Dennis I would love to hang out with Y'all. GET U SOME OF THAT DENNIS STOLE RICHARDS LINE 😂😆😂 😆😂

[@williamroyer9813]

That my dream car, I've alway wanted to own boss 429, since I was a little kid, I had a picture of it back in the day up on my wall. I can't never afford it. It a lot of money to own that car.

[@swingger9674]

After the auction fee, he lost money 😂😂😂😂😂

[@drm9979]

amazing how many people have written this. b-j adds the 10% fee.

[@royburns6490]

Man I just found one out in my uncles pasture. Been there for about 20 years no motor trans just a shell and I’d love to fix it up

[@gaptaxi]

I would just sell it to Richard or even better Dennis Collins, he does them Dead or Alive and at least you´ll get some money for it instead of watching it rust away? kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3qadGWefdOZlas

[@johnnykR9]

How old is this video? Richard and Dennis both look much younger than current vids

[@MrJohnDoe1978]

About 10 years old...

[@lzlz-xv6oe]

Lost money with auction fees and labor. Good deal for buyer.

[@drm9979]

Barrett Jackson adds the 10% fee, does not minus it. still, a buyer’s price i think.

[@dennisajones9352]

I had one that a tree fell on! Regret the day I sold it! Repaired the car was phenomenal. I remember driving down too Wilmington hoping I wouldn’t run outa gas, my dream car! It always haunts me, never should have sold it!

[@12v71detroit]

welcome to the recession Richard

[@keno77]

This amazing car would have went close to $300k , unbelievable how cheap it got in the end.

[@Sommers234]

Wow did he put a shine to that ryde! looks like a full on paint correction. STunning. That said, Richard's rising to the Steve McQueen level of cool.

[@obsidian00]

No way I would have sold her...Richard should have kept this one and restored her lovingly...

[@jacjetlag]

Remember, he's always a Richard.

[@johnnyford9839]

Mecums actions you can put a reserve price. Most boss 429s sell for $200-$300k.

[@bbb462cid]

OK so classic car prices aren't utter looney tunes like normal in this case. Was in the hobby for many decades and the prices became fucking nuts. People over-paying for cars for many years made the current normal.

[@gordocarbo]

THis. Got out (flippinf muscle cars) around 90ish. Could see where it was headed, sure enough IT will crash just like all markets do. No zoomer or millennial will be collecting these...or paying any real $ for them. Happened to the model Ts st rods and tri fives decades ago. Now its the 60s 70s musclecars

[@drm9979]

@@gordocarbo could be, will be interesting to see. the thing is, the 60s and early 70s muscle cars were wayyyy cooler than the older cars you mentioned. consider patrick peterson and joe rogan, et al, they were not even born yet but they like them. there is a former mlb pitcher who had a 2006 GTO, a mutual friend knows him, he invested hundreds of thousands in a 1966 Chevelle. he was born in the 80s.

[@almierz4604]

Richard only made 31k , HA HA😢 , THAT PUT A BIG SMILE ON MY FACE😅

[@maxxevil6666]

160K..... wow. Why so little? Someone got a great deal.

[@jackylsmith8138]

There were some issues with the car. Not everything was perfect or original. So the price reflects that. You also need at least 2 people who really want the car and have the funds. If there is only 1 in the room. Guess what.

[@maxxevil6666]

@@jackylsmith8138 I was thinking there might be something not completely original with the car. Probably not the original engine.

[@gordocarbo]

See the rust by the scoop? Lots more hiding in that one 160k is a TON for any old car let alone a boss. Risky buy, smart farm boy.

[@cobra3289]

Must be 12 years ago, would get 400k for it now in that condition easy.

[@kevinarmstrong6957]

One of my dream cars .

[@MintMonte87ACSS312]

Wow what a old video. Compare this Dennis to the Dennis on coffee walk and it’s night and day difference.

[@pilothouseking]

Once you subtract the commission, fees, shipping from Minnesota to Texas to Las Vegas, plus detailing and airfare, hotels, etc., you done lost money-which hopefully you cam write off on your income tax.

[@four27chevy1]

This is from like 20 years ago….

[@davidlevin5361]

My ‘65 Mustang Convertible with a 289 HiPo went belly up. So I sold that and went to look at a black Boss 429 for 4 grand. Made the mistake of taking my Mother with me. The guy took it out on Harlem Ave and punched it and my Mom said you’re out of your mind if you think I’m gonna loan you money for this.

[@timothylikesbeerandbread]

So he’s complaining that he only made what 10k on the car after the fees and hours his guys put in? Boohoo lmao

[@ronyeahright9536]

they are haggling over a car well north of 6 figures, and the guy counters with 127k after asking for 175k??

[@michaellansdown9531]

Here's a tip for you Dude....go to reserve auctions like Mecum...

[@getchasome6230]

He could've easily gotten 150k out of richard

[@Beemernow]

Yep, and how mad would he have been then at the auction?!

[@getchasome6230]

@@Beemernow He would've cried in his Miller light

[@dr.barrycohn5461]

You can never predict how an auction will go.

[@jerrygoldstein3028]

This dude that underpays then gets the cheapest work done to get his profit at auction , tooled up looking is the worst of really all car guys, the way he goes about it also is just so cringe If DB had a face that’s really it

[@gradymarsh3080]

Ok.. what is DMAX? And, how old is this episode??? Lol

[@MrJohnDoe1978]

No clue about Dmax but the vid it's about 10 years old...

[@justinm1882]

defiantly would of kept this car

[@mechcharlie]

Dennis and Richard there beautiful bromance lolol

[@louishefner-cu2nk]

Must be nice to have that kind of money just to throw away

[@davidgrande2520]

i wouldve been pissed if i bid $130,000 and then having them convince people to bid higher

[@DrLove01]

I’ve had that happen when I was bidding, alternatively they’ve called sold before I even had a chance to put my bid in.

[@danielviktor2093]

30 grand profit for maybe two days work and he is not happy. Sounds pretty good to me bro.

[@shaunh4108]

Proof it's only worth what someone will pay for it.

[@PrairieThunder000]

I remember seeing a black on black Boss 429 on Portage avenue in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada with a black male driving it with a bright white smile full of teeth in 1970. I believe he was a player with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers a Canadian Football League player. I only saw it once and I wonder if that is the car as most of the football players in Canada were from U.S.A.

[@willymaykit1482]

This episode is around 20 years old.

[@daddyschainsjewelry]

about 10 years

[@alexcorona]

They’re still hideously undervalued. They should have hit the million dollar mark already considering how rare they are.

[@erenjeager9442]

I want Mustang Boss 429 😭😭😭

[@sarahpettyYTSUX]

Love Mustangs!!!

[@chrisland169]

old video, a boss 9 will go now to 200 to 400 k well restored.

[@pennywise8182]

I know Richard likes cars....Likes to drive cars.....Likes to look at cars.....Likes to be seen in cars.....But can Richard actually work on cars?......I have never seen Richard work on a car.....Does Richard even know how to change a set of plugs in a car?🤷🤷🤷🤷

[@robertmarchese5946]

No

[@stephaniemichelehochsprung9592]

@@robertmarchese5946 Of course he knows, but he doesn’t need to anymore! He has to keep the money working, find new cars and make it new projects so Gas Monkey is running!

[@sammyyourmammy8170]

i would have asked 225 for that car and let it go for 190.......

[@esquire9445]

All they did was pay a guy to clean it…. Those old guys should have just sent it to Barrett.

[@mrjaylesmeister]

I used to visit French Lakes Auto Parts all the time!

[@pnwmv]

Dennis and another one of his failed Holy Grail 😅

[@23Robusto]

Whether it's cars or houses, I just hate the term "flipping". It implies you got over on the seller with the intent of doing the same thing on the buyer

[@nickwillobey2205]

There's something about Dennis I don't like..... everything 😊

[@bobleblanc6653]

Don't like Dennis or Mark Worman...

[@nickwillobey2205]

@@bobleblanc6653 Don't know who Bob LeBlanc is. Could be Dennis's hairdresser!

[@gordocarbo]

@@bobleblanc6653 Egos cant fit inside a room together Overcomensating for being an adult wiht a 12 year old build. Typical LOL Ohhh mywatch...my booze aint I sumptin.

[@Orcinus1967]

Selling it no reserve is insane. 1969 Mustang Boss 429 production was 859 units. TOTAL production was 1359. Maybe nobody knew this car? Like he should have taken it to a few shows. Or they knew it was going to be a lot of work sorting it out. 8 years ago..

[@Crimsonoverlord.]

31k for a days wages are excellent

[@Garrymorris007]

The original owner has 0 negotiating skills. Starts at 175k and then counters the 125k with 127k?!!! Minimum could have gotten 150k, counter with 160k and close. Guy got hosed.