DNA Painter What Are the Odds (WATO) Made Easy | Genetic Genealogy

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

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[@walkingtall8914]

I find it confusing that AncestryDNA has my child listed parent/child relation, yet our blood types are off. In other words, it’s biologically impossible for me to be his biological father with our blood types. I’m O and he’s AB. We’ve tested his and my blood types several times with the same results. Plus the blood bank has mine listed as O+. Not sure if there was possible contamination or possible mutation that’s causing the issue.

[@suzannemcclendon]

@@walkingtall8914 Blood tests are not always accurate. My daughters never get the same result twice. My mother and daddy, both positive (I can't remember the letter of their blood types) had an O- daughter. My maternal grandmother was also O-. I do not believe that blood types are as cut-and-dried as we've been led to believe. If you're in doubt about the accuracy of the AncestryDNA test, then you should test with the other DNA companies, too, and maybe get a regular paternity test done.

[@SueC56]

Excellent job explaining this tool.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Glad you think so!

[@LynneFarr]

I use WATO to confirm that I have placed my matches correctly in my tree. I am an only child, dtr of an only child father. I do have DNA for two paternal 2nd cousins. All my maternal first & 2nd cousins are long dead. My matches are 3rd & 4th cousins or further. To make things worse, my paternal gr grandfather is result of a misattributed father. I research all my matches to find our connection with documentary evidence then fit their proposed position into a WATO tree with myself as the target to see if the hypothesis stll holds.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

You're definitely doing this research correctly. Good job!

[@LynneFarr]

@@FamilyHistoryFanatics good to hear.

[@brendadaniel3475]

My great grandmother born 1884 was an orphan train rider. I am looking for her mother. So how do you do that in WATO for target person. Doesn't take dates that far back.

[@pearlb4287]

I have built a tree to find an unknown father for someone, over 8000people and uploaded the downloaded tree to WATO. The highest match is 120, have been able to establish where 3 other people fit with them in the tree. I got 59 as the highest calculation and from that am going back to check I haven't missed any children from previous generations. At least it makes me feel that building the tree is worth it and to keep going hoping to join up more people on the tree rather than lots of floating trees

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Remember, the absolute value of the highest match is not important, it is the value relative to the other possible hypothesis.

[@DonovanFamilyHistory]

Could you do a video on comparing the difference between two different scenarios. Scenario 1: 2nd cousins with the MRCA being identical twins. Scenario 2: instead of being 2nd cousins, they are instead half 1st cousins? I have all the shared match data in a Wato tree, but there doesnt seem to be a way to designate identical twins.

[@privateperson5769]

Also why doesn't all the people i put in the WATO tree I have made have the option to add 1/2 siblings ..only the main couple does ? Thanks Heaps :) ONly the first tow people/couples in the WATO tree ha d"define half r'ships" option ? I have quite a few half sibling r'ships further on in the tree.

[@suzannemcclendon]

Thank you for another excellent instructive video. Reading the WATO analysis table always confuses me. But, I keep trying. Thanks again.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

No worries. Just keep asking questions.

[@suzannemcclendon]

@@FamilyHistoryFanatics I will. haha That is one thing about me that drove my mother crazy. I was a master question asker. :)

[@caz1229]

Thank you, your explanation has helped. Still getting my head around it though. :) Q1: Will WATO work were endogamy is prevalent in my tree on one side of the family? I ask because my unknown paternal grandfather was European Jewish who I don’t have a surname for. That said, I have commenced building a research tree from DNA matches on Ancestry, but no nuggets yet.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

According to WATO's FAQ... this tool is not intended for endogamous family trees. Sorry.

[@billdillon8139]

Still having trouble with this. I have a suspected half-aunt (1089 cM). I'd like to add her to my tree but she is adopted. Other mutual matches include Ernest (122 cM), Shelby (67 cM), Jake (58 cM), Jennifer (49 cM) and Nancy (41 cM). We believe that all of these are either from NPE events or adopted). The only family tree I have built is my own. Others have family trees with only one or two or a very few relatives. Who should I use as a target person?

[@ginagaladriel]

One important thing to remember is that WATO works better for families that do not have pedigree collapse or endogamy...

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Quite so. Endogamy makes genetic genealogy research rather difficult.

[@Raymond_Petit]

I'm out!

[@vucat]

This was a great video as always.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@kidsmoked]

The target person question IS confusing which means the developers have not used the right words to explain what they mean so that there is no confusion. That's why I'm here.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

I hope this tutorial helped clarify the tool.

[@nanfrostsfashionfocusstyle6250]

I agree with you.

[@KR-re5hw]

Can you take the information that you entered on the DNA painter and export it to a FTDNA tree?

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Don't that I know of. Sorry.

[@laurief2450]

I have used the WATO tool to find an unknown great grandfather, both v1 and v2 and the result are drastically different. In v1 it shows that person A is my great grandfather, in v2 it shows that person A's father is my great grandfather. Which version is correct?

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

You have to research to find the correct answer. All WATO can do is give you probable guesses based on the information you have entered.

[@Onagocag]

So this tool is only for autosomal DNA results, right?

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Yes

[@privateperson5769]

This is so great Thank you But why can't I add a wife to someone? I have put in the ancestor couple but it only lets me put in their son, and I want to put in his wife, and the matches this person has going back through his wife ...it still happens like this even if I go back to the previous ancestor couple - it only shows up the male from the couple ..where is the wife ? confused

[@privateperson5769]

Sorry ! now I have entered in all the matches and number of cm's and it will nt let me do the hypothesis. all the matches are over 40 cM. I have a target name and birth year ? ie "Suggest Hypothesis" is not working - will not work. It worked b4 when I uploaded my tree with gedcom, now I have made a WATO tree for my suspected 1/2 1C and it won't let me do the hypothesis thing. It wont even let me hover over any names and hypothesis will not come up.

[@prye1]

Just put a comment in the Live Chat to get it off my conscious. I can't go any further with my research at this time. I feel like the unsuspecting people whose DNA is used to identify criminals, as so few of my close relatives have tested. I don't want to be the one to drop a potential bombshell. Needless to say, I am one of those people who has not responded to a DNA match's message on Ancestry. Thanks for letting me confess. I hope it is "good for the soul".

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

These are all valid concerns. The ethnics of DNA and how it can overturn what we know about our past and impact the lives of the present is something for us all to consider.

[@staceycoates1418]

okay, I have three comments in mind. One, any tips for working with matches from Ancestry who do not respond (let alone give you guest/viewer capability)? Two, you mentioned that you don't need to put in info for a child who has tested when their parent has tested. Would this be true with a grandparent and grandchild who have tested? Or would the age difference and the variability between the two be worth keeping the grandchild in? Three, what if someone marries their second or 3rd cousin? And I am referring to someone like Emma or Cora in your WATO tree. And what if you don't know that they married a second or third cousin? Because that would change the DNA segment amounts? Does Wato have a way to show that?

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

One, try to gather enough info to start building their tree (Google their name and see if they are on facebook or other websites where they mention family names). Two, no, any descendants of someone you already have DNA info for is going to be ignored by the program. Three, no, but for a marriage that close, if you have matches that are also 2nd or 3rd cousin from a paper trail, what you will find is that some of the matches share more DNA that expected (i.e. they are more than the upper bound). Unfortunately, WATO can't handle that and it will mess up your calculations.

[@ncunningham3415]

Andy we are looking for my cousin's missing grandparent - would it work the same way? We are looking at matches on her mother's side but amounts are not for matching the mother matching her daughter my cousin ... So we are looking for a missing grandparent instead of parent - is that possible ?

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Yes, you just have to remember how many generations down to go. So your cousin will be two generations down from the possible grandparent.

[@debbieroot4618]

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[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Sounds good. Have a great meeting. Thanks for the tricorn hat!

[@seahawk100]

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[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Since you're watching our free content and we let KZbin make the decisions about how many to add to our videos so we can eat and live indoors, I'm not sure how many I need. If you do not like ads, I believe there is the KZbin Premium option.

[@kevinyork7073]

What if you are trying to find the common ancestor?

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Then you'll have to use a different tool. That would be a combination of the following the GEDmatch Most Recent Common Ancestor tool kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIWromWEbMecpMk Ancestry ThruLines or MyHeritage Theory of Family Relativity kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6HYk2aIjNh9bpI 23andMe Auto Trees. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kH22gZaAh5iMo68

[@kevinyork7073]

@Family History Fanatics I noticed the tier 1 tool mrca only does 70 of the mrca. So far, I still haven't been able find the common ancestor

[@ramonaburns4077]

So, is it best to have high matches? What if the matches to target don’t have trees?

[@LanceHall]

Yeah the first time I tried using it I was putting my target in the tree.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

You're not the only one. That's why I stressed it in this video. Did that come across well?

[@barbarabird3827]

The grandmother who raised me until I was 6 seems to have been raised by her grandmother- product of a "sister " & 1 of 8 brothers in a family with which I share lots of DNA- including going back & sideways tthrough several generations. ( 116cM with a possible 2C1R encourages me).(Oddities in several censuses, and birth registrations , .lead me to suspect the identity of her mother.) Some 3C & I have found no evidence that her grandfather had in any way been connected to the name he bore. I have identified a cloud of families- right place, right time- in my matches & they match each other. Also right DNA distance-lots -dozen?- 14cM - BTW: Ancestry lets us find matches from low DNA numbers "up" , but not the reverse. Where my matches are 45 to 65cM, I can count on pedigree collapse-( or marriage with other lines of my family- 3/8 of my ancestors were in central Nova Scotia. ) These matches do get my attention- when one couple appears 4 times in a tree, no other visible links, I suspect I might be related. I know I'm not a 3C with any of them- do I divide by 4 to find a more realistic cM connection? All generations intermarried with one family, so they appear regularly tho not always. (There are 2 other bit players: I've left them on the sidelines because my matches are not loaded with descendants of their remote relatives. ) What suggestions might you have for working - at this generational distance - with pedigree collapse situations? ( With my Nfld family, it helped me find the right C family, but I had to dig to get the right branbranch. The numbers kept driving me back into the line of a great uncle..) I "think " I may have one set of grandparents, but... Any hints most welcome,!

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Unfortunately, WATO does not handle pedigree collapse or endogamy. With multiple lines of relationships, the math becomes impossible to calculate odds.

[@theropesofrenovation9352]

My target person was born in 1848 so caveat. This doesn't work for 1899 and before.