New Sorcerer | 2024 Player's Handbook | D&D

[@CavemanToaster]

Sorcerer level 20: metamagic machine Ranger level 20: hunters mark does 2 more damage

[@wizrad2099]

D&D hates Rangers apparently.

[@malmasterson3890]

@@CavemanToaster A lot of Ranger problems would be fixed if they just made Hunter's Mark a feature that scaled like a spell. An extra d6 every 4 levels would make the capstone way better.

[@thejammiestjam]

I was just thinking that! RIP rangers, they deserve better.

[@GeezLightning]

They are still being punished for being absolute monsters in 4th.

[@Koranthus]

Hunters mark does more damage than 2 on that upgrade also every attack at advantage, also comparing level 20 is pointless, it was in 2014, it still is. Less than 5% of the playerbase play above 17.

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

Draconic Sorcer. 01. More AC and higher HP. 02. Extra spells - draconic spells - 3rd dragons breath, 9th summon dragon, 03. Resistance without the costing Sorcery points. 04. Get the wings sooner but limited. 05. Dragon companion. Cast the summon dragon spell for free and no concentration.

[@steveaustin2686]

I'm not so sure the AC 13 + mod + shield and +1 hp/Sorcerer level are getting higher. He compares them to other Sorcerers, so I bet they don't change.

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

@@steveaustin2686 plus shield. They can used shield or the spell shield.

[@momojiroklire2816]

"no concentration" . . . Something another class needs

[@malmasterson3890]

@@steveaustin2686 In the playtest they changed it to 10+Dex+Cha, so later on it can absolutely get higher if that went through.

[@Enderl4ne]

WE ARE SO BACK!

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

Wild Magic Sorcerer. 01. Wild Magic is going to happen more often and giving more options at later levels. 02. Easier to get tides of chaos back. 03. Level 18. Once per day you force Wild Magic to happen but you get to choose what happens. Can't use last row. 04. The Wild Magic table has changed. 05. Spell list has been added to the wild Magic table......maybe good. Confused also.

[@gaynornorcott9842]

no they were saying the wild magic table takes the place of a spell list because it contains so many additional spell effects

[@flannelogue]

Rolling on a d1000 wild magic table against a giant snake monsters and randomly summoning more harmful snakes will forever be my greatest wild magic achievement.

[@DreadlordSauron]

What a hero, ty for the summary kind soul

[@DnDDeepDive]

New favorite full caster. Aaaand... having seen the table, I really want to play a Wild Magic Sorcerer now. That feels weird to type ;).

[@vangyang1696]

I can’t wait to see what you cook up!

[@thewholesomecultist6702]

Gasp I thought for sure that’d be the warlock for you d4 Also question if your d4 and your d6 when with the dungeon dudes what would make you d8, d10, d12, d20, and d100 mayhaps🤔

[@catchingphoenixrtr]

I would love a Draconic Sorcerer as well built by your hands 🙌🏻

[@DnDDeepDive]

@@thewholesomecultist6702 I mean, yeah, I'll still probably end up making more Warlocks. 😇 I just love Gishes too much and new pact of the blade is ... so hard to resist.

[@Razdasoldier]

Already did with the buffs in ua.

[@Bertramtalespinner]

So a Wizard is a cook who follows a recipe precisely and a Sorcerer is a cook who just knows what to do with a chicken and adds ingredients in the moment. Warlocks are Fast Food joints pumping out Eldritch burgers all day long. How's my analogy?

[@whoisj]

frighteningly accurate.

[@FrankDrebbin-de3te]

Warlocks have a patron. So they belong to a franchise and get the secrets of 11 herbs and spices.

[@mothmanisthebest7404]

@@FrankDrebbin-de3teTheir patron is their manager.

[@LouisTravieon]

Pretty accurate haha! I always like " wizards can cast a lot more spells, but sorcerers can cast them far better.

[@chadbrochill19]

Would you like fries with that? I mean... Eldritch Blast

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

01. Innate sorcery - advantage when you cast sorcerer spells and spell DCs go up. 02. You can change a cantrip when you level up. 03. You get both Font of magic and meta magic at level 2. 04. New meta magic options also some meta 05. 5th level Sorcery restoration allows you to get back Sorcery points. 06. 7th level sorcery incarnation. Spend sorcery points to get innate sorcery back. 07. Also you Can use two meta options on spells while using innate sorcery 08. 20th level. Arcane apotheosis. You can use meta magic without spending sorcery points while using innate sorcery. 09. Tactical versatility on the fly was the goal for this class.

[@SummDude168]

*innate

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

@SummDude168 thanks. I'll fix that

[@Enderl4ne]

We are so back

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

​@Enderl4ne I agree but there is one more thing I wish they would have added.

[@TrooperS96]

My fave class got better. Based

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

Abberant sorcerer and Clock Work sorcerer 01. Mostly the same. 02. Wording has chanced to match new rules and clear up some things.

[@mireladantas1491]

Thank you so much for taking the time to write these lists down! Great job!

[@canonur3491]

Wait, nothing changed with my dear and lovely aberrant mind sorcerer?

[@kongoaurius]

There are rumors that you can't change your extended spell list anymore

[@timxout]

they said the sublasses would be mostly the same, but they unfortunately did nerf the clockwork soul and gut the aberrant mind

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

@@timxout how so?

[@malmasterson3890]

"Innate Sorcery is like the Sorcerer's Rage." Shut up I'm already sold.

[@Razdasoldier]

I straight up call it spell rage

[@keonilewis6482]

Literally same

[@bugbeargravene1248]

@@Razdasoldier you mean MAGE RAGE

[@Razdasoldier]

@@bugbeargravene1248 I could go mage rage

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

@@bugbeargravene1248 or to make the wizards angry Sage Rage.

[@krezon3138]

I know it wasnt in ua, but i think a neat way to synergize the sorcerer class mexhanics to its subclasses would be with sublass specific metamagics. They've really made these types of synergies an important part of the other'24 classes so far. Hopefully well get something in that vain.

[@FBI_Metal_Slime]

I like draconic sorcerer changes (no resources needed for resistance, wings flying speed might actually compete with the fly spell now, and finally having an expanded spell list is huge) but the capstone feature could really use a tweak IMO. Being able to summon a dragon better than anyone else is really cool don't get me wrong, but I would much prefer if the capstone ability allowed the sorcerer themselves to become a dragon. Unless true polymorph has been added to the base sorcerer spell list, a draconic sorcerer still won't be able to fully become a dragon meanwhile classes like wizard and bard (with no connections to dragons) can. You could just tweak the draconic sorcerer capstone ability to being exactly what it is now, being able to cast summon dragon for free once a day without concentration, but with the option to instead cast true polymorph (with the limitation of only being able to choose dragon type monsters) on yourself for free once a day.

[@Merilirem]

I was hoping to become a dragon too. Imo they could have just given us the summon dragon spell and a wildshape ability that mimic polymorph spells as if they were gained a level early. The rage could easily be changed into a wildshape for the subclass.

[@ana...p]

Yess, becoming a dragon even if is for a short time would be cool😢

[@palmski_9138]

Fingers crossed we got more spells known per subclass now

[@eliascabbio7598]

It's probably the case, they made it clear when talking about the spells

[@felipesoares4942]

And we can get more than 1 spell per level up

[@gyorgyor7765]

The OG subclasses getting spell lists is confirmed.

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

I hope they do something. Because the thing that truly made a sorcerer special was basically given to every casting class. Please don't eff over this class

[@eliascabbio7598]

@@RulesLawyerDnD what are you talking about? Sorcerers are unique becuase they cast fewer spells but more powerful

[@soveris3894]

Love the sorcerer changes, they were desperately needed. Draconic I have mix feelings about. The new stuff sounds really cool and changes the subclass up but makes it feel like a caster pet class. I was hoping for more of embracing your inner dragon as you leveled, such as at higher levels turning into a dragon. Without seeing the final print, as presented here Draconic sounds more like a Wizard subclass that specializes in summoning dragons and utilizing their powers more than your own.

[@RobWeld57]

Sorcerer can cast a 5th level concentration spell without cost and without concentration. Yet the Ranger still has to concentrate on Hunter’s mark that is a 1st level…

[@jameshopkinsipg]

Ranger's hunter's mark concentration won't be broken by damage. Pretty much the same thing here bud. Only thing that'll break it is being incapacitated they'll both lose their turns. Also forgetting free castings of it to counter that fact and the fact that ranger still gets to do its full course of damage really even if its not up. Unlike a sorcerer when a spell is down...its down and their cantrip locked.

[@ryanadshead4809]

@@jameshopkinsipg how ever any other concentration spell is locked out while using hunters mark for approx. 2 more dpr.

[@EPICSAWIKI]

@@jameshopkinsipgBro the ranger has to use its bonus action to cast hunters mark and also use its bonus action to control its beast. Not to mention the paladin doesn’t need to concentrate on its aura, if rangers have to concentrate on their core ability then you’re specifically limiting what they can do in combat while other classes can do stuff just fine. Also capstone ability is +2 damage? That’s just lame. Idk man, it feels bad to me

[@chadbrochill19]

@@EPICSAWIKI Eldritch Blast! Okay, come get me when my turn is up again.

[@dub3773]

I wish Storm Sorcerer was part of the PHB. I'm hoping there's some kind of elemental themed book later that brings back the Storm Sorcerer as well as the Tempest Cleric (I know you can technically play them with the 2024 rules) but still.

[@5-Volt]

Yeah really wish Storm & Divine Soul were in the PHB instead of the 2 Tasha's subclasses...

[@codymarshall587]

Tempest Cleric truly does not belong in its previous form, it was almost always a dip on a storm sorcerer or a wizard

[@imayb1]

Tempest Cleric was replaced by Sea Druid. IMO, they got rid of over-lapping caster themes (like storm casters) in favor of more distinctive roles. A good GM will work with you to put together a storm caster that will work at your table.

[@life-destiny1196]

I loved the thematics of Storm Sorcerer but was a little underwhelmed by what it actually did.

[@colinrobertson7580]

@@life-destiny1196 that's why they should have fixed it and put it in the PHB

[@nitro_dynamite18]

Draconic Bloodline capstone should have been turning into a dragon, not summoning one as a pet. If I wanted a pet, I'd play Ranger. I want to BE the dragon.

[@cordell224]

If I can also cast spells as a dragon count me in!!

[@eggiboiroi]

i get this *so* much but i have a feeling in their minds they went “if they wanted to transform into a creature then they’d play a druid” but like. give me a dragon druid then??? edit: i also want the feature to be turning into a dragon and ALSO the ability to have a dragon come to your side (i feel like that would give best dragon flavor) and i think a piece of that could’ve been given to my sweet baby the shadow sorcerer and allow us to become our hounds of i’ll omen because i’ve wanted to do that since day ONE!

[@juanfranciscomarcos2489]

The only thing that worries me about the Draconic Sorc is the invalance of the elemental types. Playing anything other than fire (specially acid or god forbid, poison) felt like handicaping yourself. Gotta see if they changed how resistences and inmunities work in general in the MM

[@darkmagicfan]

Especially ironic how fire is the most resisted element

[@BeaDSM]

​@darkmagicfan is that not poison?

[@hotuannam5346]

It always works both way when it comes to the elemental damage type. The more common damage types (fire, poison) are also more resisted so if you have more chances to resist the damage, the monsters can against yours too. Less common damage type (lightning, acid, cold) meanwhile get less resisted so you don't get to use the resistance more often but monsters also are less likely to resist your damage.

[@phillipjones2278]

I’m not sure being a dragon summoner is what I’m imagining as much as the character embodying draconic power but it’s a good option to have regardless.

[@Merilirem]

I am absolutely sure its not. They seems to have misunderstood and seen sorcerers as tapping into outside forces rather than embodying things like ancient draconic bloodlines and inherent power to weave the world like a dragon or other mighty being would. I just wanted a draconic transformation. I was hoping for a wildshape type of ability, but for dragons. Something that mimics those polymorph spells the wizards and such use but better because we are literally dragons.

[@wwams9513]

I certainly agree, I love draconic sorcerer, but I dislike a dragon guy that summons a dragon... It's redundant and Sorcerers are all about innate power, we have dragon Blood inside, I dont like summoning dragons...

[@haravikk]

But can the Draconic Sorcerer cast True Polymorph in the 2024 book? The biggest issue for me was always that literally any Bard, Druid or Wizard can turn into an actual dragon (near permanently in the case of Bards and Wizards), while the *DRACONIC* sorcerer couldn't. Having a dragon buddy is fine, but we don't pick draconic sorcery so that everybody *except us* gets to be a dragon.

[@WilliamTaylorII]

Exactly this. If I wanted a dragon buddy, I'd be the ranger version. I want to *become* a dragon. And no, being a dragonborn doesn't count. It's the transformation to dragon that is interesting, not just starting as a dragon man.

[@Merilirem]

@@WilliamTaylorII Exactly. Also dragonborn are not dragons either. Turning into a dragon is so basic its a part of every other game with dragons. Yet this dumb game can't understand what we want.

[@Merilirem]

@@WilliamTaylorII I want to be like a druid and have a wildshape, but limited to being a dragon of my chosen type. Have the form grow stronger as I level and let me transform better than the other casters with magic spells. Like seriously, the draconic sorcerer should be the first to turn into a dragon in the party and do it better.

[@PauLtus_B]

@Merilirem I think it'd be better to have a dedicated shapeshifting class where you could basically customise your alternate form(s?) I'm kinda missing that.

[@WilliamTaylorII]

@@PauLtus_B yes! And this would allow me to make a real WoW style druid that could specialize in just one or two forms for combat.

[@JhonatanAsalas]

At last, my favorite class

[@PainCheeZe]

Same brother 🔥

[@007ohboy]

Sorcs 4 life, my breathern! 😅😂 🎩 🪄 🔮 ✨️

[@Uutalo]

Sorcerers forever baby🤙

[@silasvaughn3603]

Amen brother

[@geoffreymarkin7355]

Same! And Dragon Sorcery is really improved! I'm excited.

[@NoodleCreature]

So if dragon sorcerers get a concentration free summon, why can't rangers get concentration free hunters mark?

[@Enwickote]

ofc it's so much harder to concentrate on marking an enemy than summoning a dragon... I mean no maybe not lol

[@badmojo0777]

the whole book is jsut a lsit iof options and suggesitons, form 1e to the new game, your table your rules

[@NoodleCreature]

@@badmojo0777 true, and that doesn't help the thousands of players who rely on things like Adventures League to play or have GM's that avoid "homebrew". We're allowed to question their game design.

[@Koranthus]

because it stacked with other concentration damage stacking abilities, making it scale too much for free, having an always on 1d6 bonus, one of their level 3 subclass features(which basically every subclass gives another always on extra 1d8 damage), plus another 1d8 from say steelwind strike, so your level 5 Longbow Ranger on Round 1 does 4d8+1d6+12(8 from +4 Dex on 2 attacks+4 for Archery)+Advantage on the steelwind strike+30ft movement and 3d8+1d6+12+no opportunity attacks every turn after that or 3d8+2d6+12(if you wanted Hex from some method) every turn. Sure the concentration Mark damage is still 3d8+1d6+12 but at least you dont get an extra die+extra effects. Considering a level 5 barbarian is doing 4d6+12+Rage on his first turn, this seems fair since your Ranger now has Expertise, Exploration and Spellcasting on top of that.

[@NoodleCreature]

​​@@KoranthusI appreciate you bringing some math into it and I'm very much looking forward to Aug 1 when folks with early access copies can show us the math in more detail. But I'm not following along with your example. Steel Wind Strike, as I understand it, does not interact with Hunter's Mark and is not concentration so it wouldn't overlap anyway. Zephyr strike is concentration but is not "always on," it's "once before the spell ends" and also takes a bonus action so you couldn't use both on round 1 anyway. And while Hunter's Mark can be "always on" it has an action economy cost to do so whereas something like the Berserker Barbarian does truly get an always on extra die and that isn't single target restricted. I don't get why the higher level features couldn't remove the concentration requirement on the limited free castings when there are fewer and fewer reasons to justify concentrating on a once per turn average of 3.5 damage; especially when they also revealed that war clerics don't have to concentrate on spiritual weapon when cast through channel divinity. Sure it would be busted in early levels but I don't see why a high level ranger would ever prioritize Hunters Mark as is. It feels underwhelming when they've made so many core features rely on it.

[@casualtuna2914]

For level 18 I feel like a free Draconic Transformation spell when you use your innate spellcasting without using a concentration is cooler and better than a dragon companion that you can already summon from 9th level

[@plasticmans3036]

That‘s same for me as well

[@casualtuna2914]

@@plasticmans3036or just give us a feature to become a full ass dragon!

[@Merilirem]

I feel like the draconic summon should have just been a spell on the draconic sorcerers spell list.

[@Merilirem]

They should give Draconic sorcerers a dragon wildshape. One that lets us become a dragon form that grows in power as we level. Starting as a lesser dragon then eventually becoming a dragon worthy of level 18-20. Mostly we should be able to outperform the other classes using spells to transform themselves.

[@ethanconley1382]

I agree

[@dessamator1420]

Storm, Divine and shadow sorcery all would’ve in my opinion been better options than the clockwork and aberrant mind for the handbook. They could use some updated work on them 😞 hope we get supplement books fairly regularly, updating these other subclasses.

[@iolair1973]

I've been loving Storm in Baldur's Gate 3

[@codymarshall587]

I think Aberrant Mind was a fine addition but generally I think the Divine Soul should have been here instead of clockwork

[@iolair1973]

@@codymarshall587 I prefer the flavour of Divine to Clockwork, but that's just my personal taste. I suspect it won't be long before we get new versions of Divine Sorcerer, Necromancer Wizard, and so on.

[@MainShane]

Clockwork is a good thematic opposite to Wild. Order vs. chaos. Same as Dragon vs Aberrant mind is body vs mind.

[@xr9790]

I mean they said they were gonna make everything compatible right? I’m sure there’s gonna be a book that converts every subclass to work with this edition at some point, either by having books that add new classes and some reworks or just one book that’s straight up every class carried over- like a “5e to 2024 conversion guide”

[@Merilirem]

I WANTED TO BE A DRAGON. Seriously just give us a wildshape style ability. Let draconic sorcerers become dragons as part of the class. Don't give us drakewarden pets.

[@darkmagicfan]

@@Merilirem ik it isnt the same but you could flavour Mage Rage as your "Dragon Up!"

[@ballsbayonets9822]

@@darkmagicfan Not even close.

[@JacksonJinn]

The fact Way of the Ascendent Dragon *monk* is now more of a true Dragon transformation than Draconic Sorcerer is distressing. Taking away permanent flight was too much to boot.

[@pontusleblanc1481]

Yeah the focus on summons is disappointing. And it sound like they're making the wings another resource to track rather than permanent feature.

[@pontusleblanc1481]

What they really need though is more flexible options for species. You should be able to pick dragon as your RACE rather than juggle a bunch of class abilities and subpar races to try to make one. I've been in games where people have played as dragons, unicorns and all kinds of other magical creatures but it's all homebrew.

[@TyranusRex721]

I hope and pray that Draconic Sorcerer got origin spells and they work like Aberrant and Clockwork does. And please, PLEASE, let them have abelites that make them feel like a dragon and not a generic elemental caster! The capstone is still god awful from the playtest.

[@keandred.windett7137]

It less that it’s god awful. Cause the dragon dnd are meant to be have this empowering presence, plus the playtest version is much better than before, since they have to make the saving throw while in the aura, it doesn’t use concentration, and the creature isn’t gonna be immune for 24 hours on a save. That to mean is Draconic. Also during the spell section he did mention that they would gain the dragon breath spell

[@Merilirem]

Unfortunately we just get a summon. Its ok but I wanted dragon transformation stuff or draconic powers. Not summoning a dragon. That's a fine spell but I wanted to be the dragon. Not summon something I can envy.

[@TyranusRex721]

@@Merilirem Agreed, but at least it is non concentration. If Sorcerer can get Shapechange or True Polymorph now, then you can transform into a dragon and have a dragon summon at the same time. Or maybe something like Illusary Dragon.

[@Irrevenant_]

One of my players came up with the genius idea of having wild magic surge get more likely every time it doesn't go off as if it's building up inside of the sorcerer

[@EliasWindrider]

I was really hoping/expecting divine soul sorcerer would be in the new core book. Im hoping that there will eventually be a fey Soul sorcerer.

[@marcelgiller2528]

I hope they revised the core rulebook Wild Magic Surge trigger mechanic, and maybe added a new surge table. It would be more fun to have this chaos happen a lot more in increasingly ridiculousways

[@JohnWilliams-cr2sz]

While I am not surprised, I am a bit bummed that the Divine Soul didn't get updated. Hopefully in a future book.

[@KaiHouston-m6j]

Well they did a Celestial Warlock, so maybe they worried about "toe stepping".

[@Chrosteellium]

I wish we got storm sorcery

[@martl8615]

The dragon's blood runs in their veins, which allows them to become... No?... to summon dragons?! Pheromones, I guess? Do they want to mate with you?

[@stargrace420]

Mating with dragons? No you're thinking bard.

[@KaiHouston-m6j]

Well, all those "blood of the dragon" kids running around.......

[@Almighty_Mage]

How do you think dragon sorcerers get made

[@M9Seradon]

Just finished watching and I'm pretty excited about the Sorc changes. The main issues with the class and subclasses all seem to have been addressed in one way or another which is great to see. Just gotta wait for the spells, metamagic, and wild magic table reveals but if the metamagic options remain what they were in the UA the class will in a good place even with the twin nerf. Edit: So apparently this 8:20 was a lie.

[@St-un9ij]

Who wants to summon a dragon over being a dragon? Isn’t that the main point of being draconic bloodline is that you are part dragon why would you choose summon draconic spirt over draconic transformation the later is way more fun and cooler for roleplay

[@supersmily5811]

You still need True Poly and Shapechange on the Sorcerer spell list for the narrative of Dragon Sorc to work. Calling it now, they aren't doing that and I'll be really annoyed! :\ Also, couple notes: You need to make Wild Magic Surge non-lethal. Being able to tpk on the first roll of a level 1 campaign that was supposed to be long-form is debilitating. As for Dragon: I don't want to "summon" a dragon. I'll take it if it's going, but you had one job. Resistance at level 6, wings at level 14 (NON LIMITED IT WAS FINE AS IS), and immunity at level 18 (Storm Sorc gets this, why not DRAGON) with True Poly and Shapechange either on the base spell list or as part of the capstone. Your dragon mage can't BE a dragon when a Wizard can, that's a MASSIVE oversight in the narrative.

[@nubnub8202]

In our campaign we did something different with wild magic. instead of only surging on a 1 roll (fart noise) we made it work like this- take the level of the spell and if you roll under or match that spell you surge. cast a 4th level spell and rolled a 3? you surge. roll 4? still surge. AND at a higher level we made it so it works backwords from 20. 20=1 19=2 18=3 etc. it's amazing. Also cantrips surge on 1 and 20 rolls.

[@PainCheeZe]

Xzibit: Yo dawg, I heard you like Dragons Me: Rolling a Dragonborn Draconic Sorcerer Both: *Rubs hands together manically*

[@AndrewThoesen]

Point: draconic bloodline is about being part draconic, summon dragon doesn’t fit with that Counterpoint: the dragon you summon is your great great great grandparent and torching monsters with grandpa is cool

[@nycto5335]

I think it would've been cooler if Draconic Sorcs got a feature that turned their Innate Magic into a draconic transformation that would slowly upgrade by leveling up with more Draconic spells. Getting a Dragon companion is a bit lame tbh considering most people play that sorc cuz they wanna be more Dragon-like. I dunno, maybe that's just me really having that Pointy Hat Draconic Warlock fresh in my mind. A lot of other classes get to turn into dragons better than sorcerer tbh. If I wanted a Dragon companion I would play the Ranger verison of it (ignoring the unfortunate sad state of Ranger lol).

[@sunsorcerer]

Been waiting weeks for this, sorcerer is my favorite class.

[@Npaulo310]

Sooooo did we get rid of the Storm Sorcerer sub class? As someone who played one up to lvl 12. It really needed love.

[@willjackson5885]

They said there’s going to be a lot of new books coming in future…

[@theodorehunter4765]

I was kinda hoping for a feature similar to what Clerics and Druids got at first level where you can get weapon and armor proficiency.

[@Tauntaun707]

Same. With the narrow choices on spells and that fact that you're stuck with your choices, sorcerer just does best with combat spells but is just as squishy as the wizard.

[@westoncraig7384]

Exciting!! I really like these updates! I especially like the updated spell lists for some of the subclasses. I think that will help with flavor a bunch!

[@Mr_Maiq_The_Liar]

Expanded spell list, hallelujah! I can almost forgive huntersmark

[@propiranna]

Hopefully the summon dragon spell scales to make it more worth to continue using, no conc on it is nice though. Still managed to make sorcerer a worse wizard. If the metamagic options available to use throughout the day for sorcerer is only 4, that will also will be a let down of being able to use two metamagic options at later levels if there are so few permutations to use

[@igotnopatience1717]

The aparently increased to 6 metamagics total

[@propiranna]

That would feel better at least

[@Cornelixx]

Bit of an odd choice to include Aberrant and Clockwork with no meaningful changes, rather than revamping Storm and Shadow Sorcery.

[@GangurEXE]

They wanted to have 4 subclasses for each class with minimal work so reprinting two strongest existing subclasses seems like an obvious choice.

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

I really wish you could have three meta magic options starting out and not just two. Waiting for 4 Meta magic options at 10th level. Also it would have been great if they let you switch out one of your meta magic options after taking a long rest.

[@vasewater]

At my table we homebrew it so sorcerers can swap their metamagic options on a long rest and fighters can swap their maneuvers. Works well

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

@@vasewater amazing

[@noctxpyre]

Sad that Storm Sorcerer didn't got some love...

[@minivergur]

The contrast with abberrant and draconic should be Elemental vs. Psionic

[@nospaces4504]

Aberrant *is* the psionic subclass

[@timxout]

it's a shame they nerfed the aberrant mind into the ground, despite their promises. It was such a cool and fun subclass. Their starting ability was more flavor than anything, but the flexibility to make a psionic caster made it more than worth it. But with their spell list now fixed, their level 6 ability is now useless too half of the time and their starting ability starts to look like a slap in the face. For now, you are probably better of just playing a draconic sorcerer with suble spell metamagic, if you want to go in that direction.

[@MrObiquiet]

So.... If you want to use one of the old subclasses, say, Divine Sorcerer, is there a way to do it? Or are we going to have to wait and purchase them again as 2024 versions?

[@seven-cats-3]

You're supposed to be able to use old subclasses with the updated classes, they said there's some text in the PHB that helps you adjust them

[@SpaceCoon92]

@@seven-cats-3 Yeah I wonder how they solve some problematic stuff though. I can't precisely recall which combo but I remember discussing a Bladesinger Wizard with one of the new cantrips (True strike perhaps) and in theory that looked absolutely broken af.

[@demiurge2763]

While the art for the Draconic Sorcerer is absolutely beautiful, its a shame that they don't show him with scales. I *really* hope they didn' remove that bit of flavor from their 1st--I mean 3rd (ugh) level feature.

[@adrenalineunlimited]

Wait +1 to your dc and advantage on spell attacks at 1st level sounds absolutely busted, what am I missing?

[@theotherwoman7314]

Most creatures/traps are a significant challenge for any level 1 character, even if the players don't realize it. Sorcerer specifically get 1d6 for hp. So, them getting to do more is a little more fun for the player I suppose and still not enough to break anything. Later levels.. well yeah that will be intense, but that was always the case with high level spellcasters. And I imagine we'll understand a lot more once the 2024 monster manual gets covered..

[@polvotierno]

Each subclass fits into one of the alignments, good and bad. This is great!

[@willjackson5885]

Which subclass is good?

[@polvotierno]

@@willjackson5885 I plan to use them as baddies in my games. The clockwork is Lawful evil. The wildmagic is chaotic evil.

[@keinlanz]

I like this because I've long felt that the sorceror should feel like a barbarian analogue for the wizard and be unshackled from feeling like a simple wizard variant. I really like the idea of sorcerer base theme being kept vague and broad, so that most of the identity of the class comes from the subclass, the same way fighters are. It really needs to allow design space for "simple primitive caster" concepts that will never be full classes, like witches, shamans, and prophets - alongside what it already encompasses.

[@royhatcher7766]

Why is the draconic sorcerer so beautiful lmao

[@cmdrvimes72]

Im sold, you did a lot of what i wanted you to for sorcerer. I love dragon sorc lvl 18 especially.... but if we get concentration free summon dragon, why couldnt level 18 or 20 ranger have hunter's mark get the same? Oh well, long live Mage Rage and subclass spells. I'll get to work on updating my rework of phoenix sorcerer to 2024.

[@HerrderGezeiten23]

They should have improved the Metamagic option numbers. 2 Options on level 2 and 1 more at level 10 and 1 at 17 is so limiting. 2 at level 2 + 1 at level 5 or level 7 (you can use 2 Metamagic Options) make way more sens. You can`t change your metamagic for the level 7 option to cast 2,... If the old Metamagic Feat (2 Options 2 Points) comes again this is 90% of a level 2 Sorcerer,...

[@neutwho]

I love my wild magic sorcerer a lot 😊 she’s probably my favorite character I ever made. I’ve actually had more sorcerers at this point than any other class. Excited to see what changes come out of that foundation.

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

I was really hoping there would also be some sorcerer only spells that they would talk about.

[@Tauntaun707]

Yeah sorcerer has always felt like baby wizard when it comes to spells. Basically limited to damage spells because anything with utility feels like a waste if it's only useful some of the time.

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

@Tauntaun707 I've been thinking of a way to fix that and an open spell known would fix that easily and keep the sorcerer fun and not OP

[@epetrus3813]

In the Unearthed Arcana, there were two sorcerer exclusive spells called Sorcerous Burst (cantrip) and Arcane Eruption (level 4). You can also change the damage type of the spell.

[@RulesLawyerDnD]

@@epetrus3813 given that they didn't talk about that because that would be a base class feature. I'm assuming it's not there

[@Tasosjv]

@@RulesLawyerDnDthey added sourcerous burst

[@fandomonium3789]

Saved the best for last. Can't wait.

[@tzukishiro]

Sorc is the best, but it's not last lol

[@wolfenrichtophen6010]

Not the last option, you forgot Cleric.

[@Unironicallybritish]

And you forget the bard

[@J.capybara]

See now this is why WotC needs to stop adding features before it's put in UA, they practically need players to judge every decision they made. "At 9th level you get the Summon Dragon spell. After another 9 levels of it being on your spell list where you've most likely acquired the material component, which is not a consumed component unless we changed that, you can only at 18th level cast it without needing that component." So what? We should already have it by now, and if the DM never allowed them to obtain one they're probably the type of DM that doesn't let the campaign get to 18th level anyway, nevermind how rare it is to get there anyway. Are we supposed to sell it? We're an 18th level adventurer, we probably have more gold than all the known kingdoms combined by now, what difference is getting that 500 back gonna make? Maybe WotC has a specific vision on how these material components work that most of us aren't fully privy to, like maybe you need to spend an action pulling out the material component before you can cast the spell? I'm guessing not. Every time something is suddenly added without being part of a playtest, it's usually half baked or not thought through at all. WotC, stop adding stuff without putting it through the UA first. Seriously.

[@hearforthemusic9814]

I think your focusing a little to much on what is not the main purpose of that feature lol. It just makes it so you can cast the spell for free without a spell slot and concentration, the no material component is just you can do that.

[@J.capybara]

@@hearforthemusic9814 yeah honestly fair enough, it's not like the entire feature is useless, I just don't understand the point of even using space of the book to add that in. At best you'll be temporarily without the component once in the entire campaign once you have it. Being without your stuff isn't something typical DMs throw together very often. I think for a moment there I was so hung up on the dumbness of that, that I half forgot that wasn't all he said it did.

[@MrHarryw87]

More meta magic options would be cool

[@theultrasceptile]

13:53 I feel like this would need a prerequisite, you need to know the name of the dragon you summon

[@Itachi45481]

Man the 2 classes I wanted to know about and their improvements took forever to be previewed

[@Comrade2261]

Can't wait for Bard!

[@tridentgreen3346]

Draconic getting a spell list is awesome and I can actually get the design philosophy of Wild Magic not having one in lieu of the big funny table. Hyped.

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

If you can control wild surges, then they aren't realy wild chaotic magic anymore

[@SpaceCoon92]

I see it as mastery of your source of magic. It's pure character progression if you finally learn how to 'control the chaos'.

[@theunofficialfpsbalancetea5915]

Question: So did they just not change the other sorcerer subclasses(storm, shadow, divine) for any particular reason or is this just not the full list of changes?

[@Enderl4ne]

Dragon wings better not be a level 14 option that can only be used for 1 minute per day, tbh the time limit for dragon wings just shouldnt be a thing and should just be a 30-40 foot flight speed

[@SycomMC]

I am a bit worried about the dragon pet feature because it might be completely useless in combat but really fun to role play which is a rough. I get why you would include it as a developer, but I can also see it becoming a useless and annoying feature. I really hope the draconic sorcerer can also turn into a dragon in some way.

[@jeffm9770]

As long as potted plant is still on the Wild Magic table, I'm in.

[@nehtari]

always been a sorcerer, loving the new updates 🧝🏽‍♀️⛈️🌪️

[@johnnamorton6744]

So I have played a couple sorcerers. My current Sorcerer wouldn't be fair to compare because Ignatius is a Sorcerer (Dragon)/Bard(glamor) cross class built on one thing ... Healing. Max healing and being the best botanist professor (entertainer background) ever. So instead let's compare to my old sorcerer Ironstaff. Ironstaff was part of a mountain Dwarf clan exiled to the surface where he became a squire for a traveling knight. Ironstaff learned a lot from that knight and started carrying a staff made of cast iron. He learned how to use heavy armor and became a master of armor for a Half Orc Paladin with a fire fetish. Shadow dwarf knight sorcery... Sorcerer rage ... Ehh very Skeletor. I could do without a whilham scream every spell. Change cantrips ... Cool only because new cantrips cone and go. Level seven will turn my healer sorcerer even more awesome. Twin distant cure wounds... Free metamagic = copout. (Dragon companion ===> mother of dragons anyone) The aberrant and machine might be cool but I guess they are the same?

[@ashalaev]

My fav sorcerer is the last one. I hope they didn't ruin it and only improved, but knowing that there will be no Divine Soul or Shadow subclasses from the start, and subclass is picked on 3rd level, I'm so upset, because both are my favorite and most flavorsome imo.

[@Johnny5isstillalive]

You can still use them

[@ashalaev]

​@@Johnny5isstillalive yeah I know, they just don't get extra spells and features, until they are reworked

[@BrandonDeMeyer]

Wish divine soul survived the port, but really happy with the current changes

[@Frantzypantz]

After listening to several of these, it sounds like every class is intentionally and qualitatively better than it was before... I trust this means the monsters will also be more powerful (DM here, so this is what I've been hoping for!)

[@daboomaninc739]

Except for the ranger who has to concentrate on their main class ability, losing their ability to cast buffing spells another major class feature

[@joshuazemanek5809]

Finally...... all throughout the UA, i've been annoyed that all the 2014 dragon sorcerer features were taken away. Now he tells us we are getting both all the old and new features. Thank you, my chosen Sorcerer is complete

[@Ghostrot12343]

It seems bizarre to me that they would choose to include the Tasha's subclasses since they already had subclass spells where as the Xanathar's ones don't. Also, they've mentioned in other videos wanting to improve abilities that activate when you drop to 0 and Shadow Sorcerer has one of those. Feels like 2 massively missed opportunities to fine tune some subclasses to be in-line with the current design philosophy for the sorcerer.

[@ArchAngel_M81]

What about the number of spells a Sorcerer can know? At level one (2014), a sorcerer can only know two level one spells. That's very constraining compared to other classes like the cleric, wizard, and druid. Also, I was really hoping they would have included the Divine Soul Sorcerer.

[@umbrashadowmoon5685]

I am happy for draconic sorcerer, but was hoping for some improvement for divine and shadow sorcerer. Also, new subclass would be nice for sorcerer. Maybe vampire bloodline sorcerer? I was disappointed with shadow sorcerer though, would like it to be more of shadow necromancy type.

[@Mark-ki7ic]

Is there a New Sage Advice for oneDnD24 planned ? Lots of people will have LOTS of questions. DM is considering a home rule asked for the Wild Magic Sorcerer that when she cast a spell that does Elemental Damage the surge happened on 19-20.

[@HowtoRPG]

This sounds like the new sorcerer will be easier to track and play? Will Wild Magic be a dozen different dice rolls per turn?

[@derekhudgin6660]

Summon Dragon?! Sorcerer's Rage?! This confirms Sorcerer as my favorite casting class

[@Shogundoxie1414]

Hope they improved the Chaos Bolt spell

[@the_noble_lavender3392]

Most likely removed, as chromatic orb can now bounce between enemies filling the niche of chaos bolt (kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmHViaJjjNWSf6sfeature=shared&t=1220)

[@stargrace420]

I think they rolled it into chromatic orb, which can bounce now according to one of the other preview videos

[@tormunnvii3317]

Perfect choice of Subclasses.

[@Zombiewithabowtie]

I'm saddened that they've moved the "Pick Your Bloodline" part to level 3. If your magic is based off the arcane potential of your very being, it feels like it robs some potential of the narrative that you pick your ancestry once you've warmed up to it.

[@UberOcelot]

So is the wild magic table truly a 100 table, or is it still doubled up as being just 50 options? Seems like they are way more efficient with the table now, but I'd still prefer 100 true unique options.

[@runeserpent1449]

Love this sorcerer, gana be fun running a shadow sorc with the new abilities

[@nathanh2664]

Can’t have them on all the time is a nerf

[@thomasruffo2819]

'Aracane trio" bard in shambles rn

[@wizrad2099]

A lot of this sounds cool, but why is so much of the really significant stuff locked at level 18 or 20? Most campaigns don't get that far, and even if they do, they enter a sort of "prepare for the end" mode where you know your sessions are limited, so you're not going to get to play around with those features nearly as much. I think I would have liked to have seen a bit more pushed to the front end of the class, not the back end, especially since Sorcs are one of the big 3 for multiclassing (Warlocks and Bards being the other two, honorable mentions for the Paladins).

[@galanorbrighteye]

My current wild magic sorcerer is very interested in this new table 👀

[@SgtWicket]

I always felt like the Scribe Wizard’s ability to change the damage type of spells felt more like something Metamagic should be able to do.

[@iltharanos]

The transmuted spell metamagic from Tasha’s does that.

[@egg_l0rd13]

Metamagic can do that. Transmuted Spell from Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything.

[@dreamseer_3]

In the same book that introduced scribes wizard theyalsp introduced the transmute spell metamagic which did let you change an elemental damage type to another, so basically just a slightly worse effect that cost more but that was par for the course at the time

[@Merilirem]

Indeed. The draconic should at the least have been given a way to just change any spell into the associated element.

[@SgtWicket]

@@dreamseer_3 Ohh I guess I didn’t remember that. That must be why it felt like such a no brainer lol

[@nuqueerwarhead3564]

Sorcerer rage mode feels like a great addition and makes the class more appealing to me. Aberrant and clockwork seem like odd choices though. Divine soul was always the most appealing to me, and storm seemed really popular.

[@stargrace420]

I think it's because they covered good/evil in warlock (celestial/fiend), they wanted to cover law/chaos in sorcerer (clockwork/wild magic). I do agree though, clockwork was a weird choice, and a weird subclass flavor to begin with.

[@Kizzy-qb9si]

I like the few tidbits revealed but I want to see all of it and judge the whole.

[@sakuratejina]

If they bring back the shadow sorcerer eventually, I’d really like a sorcerer origin based on the Fey since Shadow is basically Shadowfell/Underdark

[@fftere]

That won't happen. Wild Magic already fills the Shadow counterpart

[@BadBardy]

What species is the sorcerer in the thumbnail art? Do high elves now have more fantastical skin colors?

[@Drakul-1]

I think it's a tiefling, they can be purple now

[@CryptofSkulk]

​@@Drakul-1 Couldn't they always be purple?

[@matthewsinclair4322]

I think it’s a moon elf, which is an ethnicity of high elf in the Forgotten Realms. Their skin colour varies but does include pale purple and blues. Also, elves can have fantastical colours in 5e. While few official campaign settings use these options, the base elf description includes blue, purple and copperish skin colours for high elves and green for wood elves. Hair can also be blue, silver or for wood elves, green. And eyes could appear like pupiless pools of gold and silver.

[@sakuratejina]

I thought it was a drow? Cause I swear the last PHB or Xanathar’s had a purplish drow in the book cause I used the art as inspiration for my first Shadow Sorcerer

[@matthewsinclair4322]

@@sakuratejina The last PHB has a picture of a moon elf on the page next to the page with the drow subrace, if that’s what you were thinking of. But to my knowledge , drow have always had white hair and skin in shades of grey, black or lilac-purple. But in Dragonlance, I think dark elves have the human range of skin tones. But I don’t know much about Dragonlance, admittedly.

[@activekiwi1221]

I like the new sorcerer, but for the same reason why the abberant sorcerer was carried over (be a psionic-themed group with great old one-warlock, psiwarrior-fighter and soulknife-rogue) they should have implemented the celestial- instead of the clockwork-sorcerer together with the celestial-warlock

[@MatthewHug-n6p]

Hope they have experienced spell lists for all sorcerers, also sad the shadow sorcerer didn't make it

[@XyntakLP]

I'm playing a draconian sorcerer right now and only the metamagic upgrades and new spells excite me here. Let me be a dragon dammit!

[@CyclopsDragon]

It feels like the numbers on Innate Sorcery are a bit off. I believe based on distributions, the average gain from Advantage is about +4, but then you're only increasing your spell save DC by 1? I guess since some spells with saving throws can target a large number of enemies, they didn't want to make it bigger than that, but it does make it pretty underwhelming with single target spells, compared to the Advantage on spell attack rolls.

[@stargrace420]

Spells with attacks pretty much exclusively deal damage, and there's not that many of them. Spells with saves include save-or-sucks like hypnotic pattern and hold person, and AoE damage spells where increases to the DC compound damage based on the number of targets. I do feel that +1 is a little paltry (even a +2 would feel way more significant) but combined with mind sliver and heightened metamagic, the ability to make sure enemies almost certainly fail a save is more accessible in the new rulebooks.