Do Aluminum RC Parts add Too Much Weight? Full M2C Arrma 8s Showcase & Upgrade Path 🔸see disclaimer🔸

[@richduperbash2966]

Awesome showcase and weight comparisons busting the upgrade myth Brother Dennis 😜. I can testify personally recommending several of these clutch options and putting in countless hours stressing and flogging the prototypes 👊. Definitely a labor of love putting these bits through their paces before production readiness. Huge shout out to Mitch and Avery for taking an incredible 8s platform to a place where no 25+ lb RC has gone before 😱🚀🚀. Thanks for all the work you put into this Brother!!! 🍻🤙🤙😎💪👊👊

[@3SonsRC]

Appreciate the kind words my friend! Y'all have been intrical to the development here brother, one of the huge differences between M2C and other Aftermarket companies.... The test team full Of the best Bashers in the industry 😎👍 This was a huge thanks to Mitch and Avery and the whole team but even more, to get the information out there in a detailed and accurate way. We are blessed and privileged to have them and to be part of the team😍👍 M2C setting the bar and taking these Arrma Tough vehicles to even greater heights. See ya round.my good friend

[@terryfrome1641]

Hell ya brother. It's nice when you get true testers and not people saying they bash hard but actually send it to the moon.

[@richduperbash2966]

@@terryfrome1641 gotta bash hard to truly test the upgrades 🍻

[@KevinTalbotTV]

its all a compromise adding weight will cause other stuff to break more so you have to weigh up the pros and cons and be strategic and not just alloy everything!

[@3SonsRC]

Thanks for stopping by Kev, 100% agree aluminum everything is Silly and M2C really tries to stay away from that and only add where needed! Was pretty cool that all these upgrades only added less than a pound so definitely makes sence.... Of course this is EXB vs M2Cified 😎👍

[@bdawg1337]

True, and it actually rarely makes sense to throw in stiffer, heavier parts. The most durable cars I have had, were full of custom parts I designed and 3D printed myself with materials fitting the application. So some were PA12-CF, some were TPU and some were simply PETG. I have actually had a full M2C K6 EXB, because why not, but it really doesn’t make any sense, and isn’t really durable.

[@averylooper5534]

AWESOME video! I even leaned some stuff! We have weighed alot of parts, but never head to head like this! Thanks so much for all you do in the RC world! great info.

[@3SonsRC]

That's pretty cool when I teach The Wizards Apprentice somthing😜🤣 So appreciate what you and pops do for us on the team and the whole RC community.... This was a throw back to y'all and the community for all your hard work and dedication to making Tank parts that are simple, tough, yet innovative solutions for us nut jobs that like to go silly 🚀 with our Big Toys😎👍

[@Evergreen085]

I just wanna let you know it's because of Rich and 3 sons my brother in-law and myself only rock M2C. These guys provide a lot of info we all crave and often think about. Appreciate all you guys do!

[@jamiefox8670]

Avery what you guys do is amazing looking forward to starting a channel and will definitely be looking forward to buying your stuff! I been thinking about a chassis that has the sledge ends so you can use the difs and A arms and keep the rest a Kraton some sort of hybrid chassis something you could have the best from each on one chassis? Great work m2c!!🔥🔥🔥💯

[@GreatLakesRC]

Awesome K8S Dennis! It is super beefy for sure. Can’t wait to see you run it 🤩

[@3SonsRC]

Thanks my friend.... She gonna be a beast with 37/39 gearing..... Just Gotta get a fan on her.... Appreciate you my friend

[@Evergreen085]

I was just talking about the weight differences. I'm building someone a 6s m2c upgrade and this video helps out a ton. Love the videos, thanks and keep em comin.

[@3SonsRC]

Appreciate the kind support, hope this helps. With a 6s, it might be 1-2lb heaver than stock when fully upgraded.... 8s Rigs usually 2-4lbs depending on the tires.... In some cases is less. Hope your enjoying the channel, see ya round brother

[@tripletrc5654]

I love this video because people try to tell me all the time that my m2cifed kraton 6s v4 is less durable than a stock exb because of weight. Lol. It is crazy how durable m2c is just tougher than tough lol

[@3SonsRC]

Yeah, people say crazy things bro, EXB arrma 7075 is NOT the same as certified CNC 7075 for towers and especially the chassis. M2C uses Bent sheets of raw 7075 for the chassis, that even better than some that uses CNC for the chassis, 1) stamped, 2)cnc from block 3) bent sheet of raw 7075.... Weakest is 1, then 2, then 3 I believe Arrma uses stamped 7075 if I'm not mistaken 🤔 And the weight debate is hilarious... A 6s rig is like 1.5pounds heavier than stock.... Maybe 1lb from EXB🤣.... Thats Sooo worth it IMHO Glad you liked video, hope your enjoying the channel brother, see ya round

[@chadbiermann3380]

Great Video!! A lot of good information and reccomendations!!! 💯💯😉

[@3SonsRC]

Appreciate that Chad, Glad you got somthing out of this, not exactly one of my big bashing videos but I try to get other type of stuff out there as well. Glad your enjoying the channel, see ya round

[@CommanderAstigRC]

Awesome reveal and breakdowns of the M2C hopups brother Dennis. Sorry I'm late to the party. Finally feeling human again. Congratulations on the massive addition to the fleet. She's fully M2Cd out! Looks amazing and clean Bro! Super surprised on the weight difference and glad at the same time! 😍💪. Props to Mitch and Avery they're the pioneers and true genius innovators with top notch upgrade parts. M2C took the bashing game to a whole new level! I'm excited to see you rock this Beast out there brother.

[@3SonsRC]

Appreciate that kind support there brother and as always really big thanks for the time and comment. This Arrma beast is such a well designed rig and with M2Cification just can take the sillyness we all enjoy🚀🚀😎👍 I really gotta find some new spots to bash this rig.... Going 800kv Max5 37/39 she gonna be a handful, not sure she can be contained @ Augusta BMX as the Outcast is really too big for that place anyway! There's always asking for forgiveness rather than permission 😂😂 Then there's the Hobao MT Plus 2 and my new Hybrid I gotta get out there.... 😔 Not complaining AT ALL. Blessed my friend and I super appreciate you my friend

[@AldoLoyal]

Yeah brother you nailed it Nice comparison it’s definitely a must to have M2c for extreme Bashing nice to know there’s not much of a weight comparison between the two stock and M2c

[@3SonsRC]

Appreciate the kind support my good friend 😎👍 Was a big effort here and I hope people love it, truly for RC Family as this is not the high flying bash video that catches the eye! See ya round brother

[@AldoLoyal]

almost forgot thanks for the shout out brother really appreciate that

[@3SonsRC]

Well deserved my friend 😎👍

[@islandrc-duke1972]

Awesome RC upgrades, nice setup

[@3SonsRC]

Appreciate the support as always brother Duke

[@islandrc-duke1972]

@@3SonsRC 😁👍

[@DgDynasty]

def encouraging me to go m2c beef kit

[@3SonsRC]

Of you can swing it bro it's the way to go, and sell the extra parts if there new..... Thats what I did to make up some cost. Appreciate your time and comment brother. Hope your enjoying the channel, see ya round

[@terryfrome1641]

Your off by a half gram. I'm ready to argue. Bro, that thing is seriously beast mode. Love it man. 😀 Can't wait until I build mine. Keep on bashing!!

[@3SonsRC]

😂😂 Thanks for stopping by Terry, I can't wait to launch this beast 🚀🚀😜😜 Appreciate you stopping by and the comment See ya round brother

[@jeffmays7192]

I love m2c but if you’re discounting vitavon or just aren’t familiar with their stuff? I suggest you give them a look.

[@3SonsRC]

I'm not discouting Vitavon, I am also very familiar with their products, they put out good stuff. Little pricey IMHO but most things quality are. But I am.on the M2C test team, and even before that I always lean towards products that add metal and strength innovation where needed. Not just metal Replacment parts. It has to be designed to help the rig, not just metal because you can. Not all Vitavon is like that for sure, some quality stuff. Nothing like Intidgy or GPM that just everything metal that makes no sence for Bashers, transfers shock and breaks other stuff. Hope that makes sense. Bash on brother and thanks for the time and comments.... Hope to see you round

[@matthewmcdonald6037]

I have the stock exb ( new to 5th scale ) I can say the A-D blocks , bell crank assembly , and the overkill outdrives were the best upgrades for a novice . Due to learning how the truck floats and learning the delay on throttle control from such a big truck . So far they have been holding up and taking my improper landings and , cough - 70 mile an hour cartwheels trying to drift on grass 😅. Great video ! Took a LOT of bench work out for guys like me in the upgrade process worried about weight and priority of parts to change 1st . Thanks for the video and the time and effort you put in to this ! Bash on brothas ! 🤙

[@3SonsRC]

Man this comment just made my day! Glad you enjoyed the video and solid feedback! Agreed the A-D blocks are huge in holding the Bulkheads together, arms to the bulkhead etc. The 1/5 scale rigs are a whole other beast.... Proper gear g and powerful electronics are a MUST to have a thing close to 1/8th Scale control.... But these rigs are just so fun. Appreciate your time and support brother, hope your enjoying the channel, see ya round

[@GrantHen]

what do you mean the truck floats? like its steering or suspension?

[@jayjay_7174]

Subbed in less than 1 minute. Great channel 👏🏻

[@3SonsRC]

Man that means a lot, welcome Check many other videos.... Lots of bashing and Installs etc. Thanks again, see ya round brother

[@austinlittlejohn7916]

Which one should I do? Buy the beef cake kit and build the rest or buy the EXB/RTR and build it up?

[@3SonsRC]

Great question Go Beefcake kit, there are only a few things that the EXB will have that is NOT replaced by M2C. Appreciate your time brother.... Hope to see ya round

[@ir0nm4id3n]

Awesome vid!! So i got an k6s exb (love it), i noticed that the stock chassis is pretty light in comparison to an m2c chassis (340g vs 470g). Im very impressed by the overall durability of it, i've done some huge jumps and the chassis is still perfect. Plus, i think saving that much weight even keeps your temps down! (As long as i dont do full send skatepark upslope- ramp landings i dont need an m2c chassis😂)

[@3SonsRC]

That's still only 4.5 oz of difference... Grams makes it sound so huge. That's 1/4 a pound.... Really nothing in the grand scheme. BUT if the EXB is holding strong for you keep rocking it brother. That's why I mentioned in the video that if you have exb chassis you MIGHT be ok for a bit, depends on how crazy big you go and how bad you land. When going over 100ft the M2C becomes more necessary. But keep going at it man, the EXB is a great start, the RTR chassis on the other hand starts bending at 60ft sends pretty easy.... Even with upgrades. Appreciate your time and support brother, hope your enjoying the channel, see ya round

[@sickduck66]

Hay bro so I have a Kraton 8s EXB with a Max5 and 800kv motor and it constantly snaps rear drive shafts.. what do you recommend? I bash pretty hard (show off) 😊

[@3SonsRC]

Well if you're bashing pretty hard brother and I consider myself part of that group as well, the biggest thing that I see a lot of people doing with their RCS that bust drive shafts and drive cups and have all sorts of drivetrain issues is that they land under power, blipping the throttle right as they're Landing or sometimes they're just running fast in a field then they don't realize that the RC catches air a little bit and they're still on throttle and the RC only gets off the ground one or two feet, sometimes a couple inches but the wheels spin like crazy up in the air and then the RC lands back on the ground and that impact can twist and kill drive shafts, it's very hard sometimes to notice that but sometimes people blame the RC or the drive shafts and it's sometimes just what we're doing that causes the issue. Maybe that's not you, I know I've done it a couple times like this but I would say the biggest help to not busting drive shafts or pins would be to upgrade to the m2c ones they're hardened and a lot thicker the pins are the same size as stock but they're still hardened and stronger but the shafts themselves especially where they go into the ball point are much thicker. Hope that helps brother and I hope you're enjoying the channel, see you around

[@sickduck66]

@@3SonsRC you are the man that you for your feedback

[@bhardison1869]

I wonder if m2c will put the drive pins for the cvds back on the site for sale since they sent you some in this kit? I keep breaking overkill pins..

[@3SonsRC]

Not sure brother. Did you get the new ones with darker pins? You talking about the Outdrives CVD right? Not the center ones?

[@bhardison1869]

@@3SonsRC not the centers, the outdrives. I have the ones before the black coating. But they have worn down in the front, probably going to push the pins out and upgrade to 4mm i guess. Had seen they had the replacements awhile back, now they're off the site so I bought 4mm lathe steel rods to cut, and push out to 4mm x 20mm. Popped 2 overkills pins this week. M2c should have really went with 4mm pins and matching cups instead of 3.5mm. I now have 8 beefcake shafts and 4 overkills all only needing pins Still hoping for the hardened diff cups like the 6s from m2c. So giving rc4wd 6mm and cups out of #45 steel and see how they go. Probably just go vitavon next round since they offer the oversized cups that you can use twice and 4mm pins. Have lots of m2c hop upside but I just cannot seem to keep the rear dogbone pins from breaking..🤘🏻🤙🏻

[@philh3041]

Great video buddy thanks for the walk through 👍🏻 new sub from me, one of the best audio/mic quality I’ve heard on an RC vid 😂👍🏻

[@3SonsRC]

Wow man that means a lot! Appreciate the compliment and new Sub.... Hope you Enjoy! I actually recorded all this on my galaxy s21 ultra, but I try to speak clearly and post production I mess with the levels so it's always consistent and clear. See ya round brother

[@philh3041]

@@3SonsRC that’s cool buddy I honestly thought you were using a separate mic, 👍🏻👍🏻 look forward to your vids 👌🏻

[@rcboys619]

Great video bro

[@3SonsRC]

Thanks my friend..... See ya round

[@rcboys619]

@@3SonsRC please subscribe to my channel I’m new trying to grow.

[@bryandunnick6155]

Nice love ur videos

[@3SonsRC]

Made my day bro😍✌️👍😎 I don't do 5 shirts a day so KZbin doesn't like me 😂🤣 so it's nice to get some feedback from those who matter 😎👍 See ya round brother

[@blacksheeprc8113]

Hey any word on what's going on with the slop and the x-max with the hub extenders I know I seen in a post they said they was on it and they knew about the issue but just curious if there's any end in site for what's going to happen last time I talked to him they told me it was cuz I had RPM hubs replaced those with Traxxas still the same thing I just don't want to bug them by contacting him again because I seen those posted and said they was on it aware of it but just wondering if you knew anything going on with that

[@3SonsRC]

I would know brother.... Reach out on Facebook. It might be because of the HR hubs..I know they set it up to work with stock hubs and tolerances might be different.

[@blacksheeprc8113]

@@3SonsRC yeah I put the stock ones on there and still has the slop I know they said they was aware of it in the post I seen before so I'll just give him a little bit more time and see if something comes out and if not then I'll message him again I just don't want to bug him

[@joeyfiend7864]

I was literally just looking at my m2c shock towers and thought how awesome and beautiful they look in my Kraton 6s... Oh and aluminum arms? That just doesn't even sound good 😂

[@3SonsRC]

🤣😂 I see you read the disclaimer Joe, thanks for that. I realized aftwards I needed to mention that Aluminum is not always a good thing, I'm a fan of keeping as much plastic as possible, only strengthen where necessary, especially on a rig like the Xmaxx. M2Cified is the way for me, they only seem to add metal where it's needed! Appreciate your time brother, hope your enjoying the channel, see ya round

[@stephenb9940]

Yup,thanks why there going back to 4s an plastic,cause 6s an aluminum tear up bearings an gears an 40 series motors.

[@3SonsRC]

Thanks for your time brother. 4s rigs have always been plastic brother as it makes sence for that platform and size. Not sure those 4s rigs could go 150+ feet like we like to send our 6s and 8s Arrma rigs. Plastic and 7075 has its advantages and disadvantages depending on how it's used. Putting Metal Shock towers on the 8s Arrma's is Silly when the plastic ones are fantastic, but a plastic pan chassis on a 8s Arrma rig would have to be a complete redesign by Arrma to make that possible. The plastic chassis on the Xmaxx works but it handles no where near as well as an M2Cified Arrma 8s. Point of this was to show that 7075 when designed well and put is strategic places DOES NOT add much weight at all. Now Metal A Arms and stuff like that is a mistake IMHO. Thanks for your comment there friend, hope your enjoying the channel.... See ya round

[@murtasma]

After all those upgrades it's not even a Kraton anymore. Reminds me of a story my grandfather told me about an old axe he's had. He's replaced the axe head and the handle - is it even the same axe? I don't think so.

[@penismightier4303]

I'd call it a Transkrat. Once you install a red sweeping LED array up front and an AI unit with voice synthesizer so it can talk back to you, you could call it the Krate Rider and drive it around while wearing VR goggles, to solve crimes by sending it and landing it on top of perps.

[@3SonsRC]

Yeah she has some beef for sure, but honestly besides the obvious chassis there is still a TON of stock parts on here.... Only beef where necessary 😎👍

[@3SonsRC]

🤣😂 I'm so lost right now, Appreciate your time brother, hope your enjoying the channel, see ya round 👍👍

[@michaelregan427]

Same driveline....same shocks....same dimensions....same tires...same body....lol. Your analogy has nothing to do with upgrading an rc that is literally built from over 100 individual parts lol, of which I'd say 70% at least still have an Arrma part #.

[@runngunrc1991]

Tire Option?

[@3SonsRC]

I honestly like stock... There great. If your killing tires you need thicker fluids in the diffs or better throttle control, or maybe too much power.... But I run 800kv Max5 and a 37p/39s gearing. For aftermarket I really like Method RC Tires

[@jaguarsrcfamily101]

🔥🔥🔥🔥💯✅

[@3SonsRC]

Appreciate brother!

[@cyclonerc1625]

No audio

[@3SonsRC]

Try again working for me??

[@rcsmith5909]

What about thanking your subs?

[@3SonsRC]

I thank them all the time, but if I didn't in this video..... THANKS But maybe you were just trying to be 😜 If so, to that I say "Well Played" 👍 Either way, hope your enjoying the channel, see ya round brother

[@michaelregan427]

A lot of people in rc are just neurotic about weight gain when it comes to their cars. Then they become paranoid about their diffs, driveline, etc it's nauseating.

[@3SonsRC]

Yeah man, these are toys.... It's supposed to be fun. If somthing is breaking or an opportunity let's look to find a fix, but upgrading and adding metal for no reason is silly, and if your not sending it to the moon you maybe need to only upgrade to YOUR level of bashing. But I know before I had big sending aspirations I started upgrading to get ready for the bigger sends.... I understand that as well. Appreciate your time and comment. See ya round brother

[@michaelregan427]

@@3SonsRC Agree 100%. I like a few easy to break easy to swap parts like arms can't imagine aluminum arms. They bend pins, break aluminum bulkheads, etc. Never did it to a basher only my rock rey and well....those aluminum arms on my rock rey ruined a lot of expensive, hard to get to parts. Love your channel and please keep doing what you're doing :) !

[@3SonsRC]

@@michaelregan427 appreciate your kind support brother

[@Livlifetaistdeth]

All those upgrades and an Amazon servo? Great advertisement though

[@3SonsRC]

It's actually a pretty good servo, Rich Duperbash uses the Hobbystar version but it's the same servo. I rarely spend big dollars on Servos because even $150 Servos die with constant 150ft+ sends....i follow after Rich and Eric in that regard as they are the Kings, I just running after them 😂😂 Advertisement😔😒 Was trying to give advise on upgrade path and weight of the aluminum parts, but it's cool brother.... I do appreciate your time and comment.

[@Livlifetaistdeth]

@@3SonsRC if duperbash says it's good it probably is but you just replaced perfectly good parts before you even broke them so wasting money doesn't seem to be a big deal.

[@3SonsRC]

@@Livlifetaistdeth yeah what I didn't mention is I sold those perfectly good parts on ebay to pay myself back 30% the cost of the rig #winning 🤣😂

[@anthonymccreary9413]

Do not buy the Amazon driveshafts they will not last one battery

[@3SonsRC]

I would never buy Amazon Drive shafts.... M2C all day buddy Thanks for watching

[@oggoblin295]

No audio 😭

[@3SonsRC]

Try again bro, working for me

[@oggoblin295]

@@3SonsRC strange yeah it works now. Thanks 🤘

[@spenn2007]

We now live in a world where grown men who get paid to play with toys, are attempting to debunk wheelbase vehicle physics lol. Sorry, i dont see any engineers in this comment section, just paid youtubers SMH.

[@3SonsRC]

Debunk.... "Wheelbase vehicle physics"..... Curious what your getting on about🤔🤔🤔 Bro I get paid by KZbin Add sence about $30mo maybe 😂 but yeah I get some free parts to test occasionally. If you think that makes up for all the hours I put into this, filming, editing, bro I do it for the community and as an expression of my creativity or I wouldn't do it at all, trust 99% of you tubers out there loose loose on RC KZbin.... Our niche is too small to make any real money so you gotta do for the people or for enjoyment or you'd go nuts, but keep thinking we all get paid so much bro, it's not happening, I haven't gotten a dollar off any video, just Google add sence penny's😨. "Paid KZbinrs in the comments😂😱😂😱" bro ya gotta be joking. Whatever bro, I'm not here to convince you, either way I hope you enjoyed the video, Not everything is a scam or a conspiracy IJS Bash on bro

[@Blueknight1960]

That constant booming in the background made this unwatchable for me.

[@3SonsRC]

I guess that's the music your talking about?? Sorry you didn't like it, but to be fair I make my videos to my taste, not for EVERYONE (STYLE) but they are FOR everyone content wise. Maybe watch one of my other ones, or not it's all good brother, it's just RC everyone likes different things

[@Blueknight1960]

@@3SonsRC I get what you're saying, but it should be about the content, not the music unless it's a music video lol.

[@3SonsRC]

@@Blueknight1960 for me it's about both, that's how I express myself as a creator. Content AND Entertainment. But that's me. I would fall asleep listening to some dude (me) talk for about 20 minutes without some help IMHO

[@toolbaggers]

You get free stuff from M2C. Correct? 🤔🤫 If you worked for Traxxas, you would not be making this video. Downvoting my comment without a reply only proves my point. 🤣🤣 I'm waiting for the ban. 😎😎

[@3SonsRC]

Bro you don't even know how much I have spent on M2C... It's embarrassing, but go keep telling your story, I will go ahead and not delete this comment and keep making content I fell helps the community. Do I not make Traxxas, Arrma, and Corally videos? .... I Just love RC and choose NOT to be a Fanboy, just a fan of good rc and good workmanship 😉 Don't be so mad.... It's just rc toys 😂 Have a nice day bro

[@kevinstamp1776]

You guys kill me with having no idea how brushless motors work . 800 KV lol the can size gives torque not the KV you can have a 4000KV motor with the same can . Unreal you still have no clue but what gets me on here isn't you don't know but act like you do witch makes clueless people wanting to learn the wrong info . 800KV sorry but funny anyone new don't do that takes so many volts to get the thing to move its just ridiculous. Then they gear the thing 1 to 1 to get 50 out of it .

[@3SonsRC]

Relax bro, It's RC, don't come on here barking and insulting, we play with toys in our spare time. They way I had it explained to me is lower KV is like that low down torque (raw power) and higher KV is like adding HP or more top end speed, sure throwing a 4000kv motor will get more speed but you wouldn't dare throw a 4000kv motor on a 8s heavy RC, not enough power or torque to get er going. If I'm wrong, cool, so is most everyone in RC then, and your right, cool. No need to start insulting people. Have a nice day, hope you enjoyed the video though 😏

[@kevinstamp1776]

@3 Sons RC why is everyone so soft it's called letting u know . Test it yourself I know it's toys who cares it just KV is really nothing it's can size so if you have a 40 78 can say at 1050 KV and u have a 40 78 can that's 3600KV there's no difference in torque. You can just run a 5 or 6 S and have way more power and gear it way lower that's all I'm saying trying to teach you something that's it I care less .