Do Bad Boy Preachers (Ravi Zacharias & George Ladd) Go To Heaven? - Ken Yates

Ken Yates of the Grace Evangelical Society looks at the lives of Ravi Zacharias and George Ladd and whether professing Christendom considers these individuals to be in heaven or not. Ken Yates examines what the Bible teaches as to whether these individuals are in heaven or not.
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[@michealsky-g1r]

Thank God for Ken Yates and Bob Wilkin. I have been shunned from Christian churches in the city I live in Ontario, Canada; because they all believe in Lordship Salvation. How can 99% of Christians believe another gospel after they get saved. I bet when Paul wrote Galatians he would of never guessed that would be the outcome. I love you Ken Yates and Bob Wilkin.

[@2Chronicles714_]

What is Lordship Salvation?

[@kferrelltu45]

It is believing that what you do personally saves you and keeps you saved. It is a lie from hell. Only what Jesus did for us saves us. John 3:16, Ephesians 2:8-9

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@kferrelltu45 Lordship Salvation : Luke 13:23-28 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. The gate is narrow because the process is hard, and the perspective we need to see the entrance to the narrow gate comes only through the Savior, Christ Jesus. We don’t do it on our own but operate by the power of Christ, in us, so God receives all the glory. The goal of the narrow gate starts with repentance followed by obedience to live a life that glorifies God. It may seem counterproductive to fight through the narrow gate of persecution and hardship by resting in Jesus. His burden is light, He promises. Putting it down all that entangles us is difficult! However,the possibility of missing our chance at eternity is extremely plausible if we clutch onto sinfull desires,lusts and pursuits of the world the wide gate.Destruction means a loss that produces utter ruin, perishing and here refers to loss of eternal life with God.

[@minorsingingairhead]

In a nutshell, it is a theology that says believing in Christ and obeying Christ are basically the same or inseparable. So if you believe but don't obey that supposedly proves that you didn't believe in a way that results in eternal life.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@minorsingingairhead The promises in John's gospel and elsewhere are only for true repentant believers that continue believing/obeying/ confessing sin until the end. Do you think God will let anyone in who said they believed but lived no different then someone who never said they believed?

[@robertmollohan7982]

Your absolutely right! Our “works” have nothing to do with salvation, not saying we shouldn’t strive to live a life presentable to God, but if you believe your “works” will save you then you don’t trust what Jesus did for us. He paid our sin debt in full, cause there’s no way anyone can save yourself. You either trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus or you don’t.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Your works won't save you but you will not see the Kingdom of God if you live in disobedience. Matthew 7:21-23 Matthew 25:1-12 Galatians 5:16-24 Ephesians 5:1-8 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 There are more.

[@TylerJohnson-p1w]

​@@2Chronicles714_ None of those passages say that : 1. Repentance (turning from some?...most ??... ALL??? sins till death) is a NECESSARY condition of gaining/earning as a reward/meriting entrance into His Kingdom . *** Nor can YOU PERSONALLY have doubtless certitude of an Objectively verifiable level (%) of YOUR perpetual behavior (works) that "gains/earns/merits" entrance . If you can Exegetically prove the aforementioned , we're still waiting . Thus far in countless challenges to pony up the requisite data , you've only Struck Out . Your Batting Average thus far is 0.0% . Never "good enough" . Only similarly Blind followers of the Blinded can find your works righteousness soteriology somehow appealing . 2. "Whosoever doesn't repent (turn from an Objectively unknowable level (%) of sins till death) will go to the endless lake of fire . ***Still waiting . No Baseball team I'm aware of would hire a Batter with your Batting Average .

[@stevehammond8393]

of course they will be in the glory!

[@LACraig621]

Thank God we aren't judge by public opinion 😢...

[@ros6111]

Yes. Angry sinners condemning sinners. Pretty much sums up people.

[@dilbertfish]

Yes, the blind leading the blind.

[@timgrady4630]

Excellent clarification Ken . Zacharias & Ladd - and everyone watching & reading this - are included in the passage : "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" . Jesus died for every last one of those as the "Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world" . Only question that has forever consequence is : did either believe in Him for His doubtless Guarantee of Everlasting Life at a moment in time ? That's the only condition for being invested with His imputed righteousness (Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6 ; Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Titus 3:5 ; Phillipians 3:9) . How "bad" is bad ? How "good" is good ? Jesus clearly stated that "only God is good" . Whereas , when any Lordship Salvation proponent tries to make perseverance till death in hopefully good enough behavior (works) a Necessary condition of entering His Kingdom , they're faced with a problem they cannot solve , Biblically . I've Never gotten a response from any LShipper when asked to give an Objective level (%) of behavioral performance that gets the job done , thus proving the utter unknowability of their position . It seems that the vast majority of humanity find "grace" too "cheap" ; that there's somehow gotta be some commitment , effort , & elbow grease involved in order to prove "genuine". Often , the passage is cited : "strive to enter in at the narrow gate" , fresh on the heels of James 2 : "faith without works is dead" ! And , very often accompanied with : "by their fruits you will know them" (Matthew 7:16-20) . Whereas , eternal salvation is an All Or Nothing proposition . Either/Or . Either "grace" is less than "cheap" - i.e. - therefore a gift that is truly Free of any hidden fees & Cost to the recipient (Romans 11:6) . Or , it depends on one's never knowable perseverance till death in purely subjective criteria (obedience/fruit inspection/works) ; the sure recipe for unbelief . Filthy Rags are never an infallible barometer of one's Everlasting destination . Only His doubt free Guarantee of Everlasting Life - apart from all frail & fallible criteria - sets the Anchor in the Water , forever .

[@2Chronicles714_]

In other words you can live how you want as long as you hold you hand up at some point and say I believe in Jesus so no matter what I get eternal life with God.

[@2Chronicles714_]

What you espouse is what the Apostle Jude call perverted grace. Jude 4 For CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WHOSE CONDEMNATION WAS WRITTEN ABOUT LONG AGO HAVE SECRETLY SLIPPED IN AMONG YOU THEY ARE UNGODLY PEOPLE WHO PERVERT THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY AND DENY JESUS CHRIST OUR ONLY SOVEREIGN AND LORD.

[@hikerbill9248]

Did you leave out how Paul tells us that people believe in vain and how Matthew makes it very clear that many people who think they are going to heaven are not? Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. The word of God makes it very clear that many people believe in vain. When Jesus saves you...He will change you. You will know when that happens.

[@timgrady4630]

@@hikerbill9248 Not an Evangelistic context here . Written in a Discipleship sanctification context in defense of the bodily resurrection . Not at all germane to how one is given the free gift of Everlasting Life , apart from all behavioral performance (works) , Go to the book of John for His objective Guarantee of Everlasting Life whereby one is irrevocably born again . Can't be "good enough" to make it . Only God is . He said so . Only childlike faith in Him for His doubtless Guarantee alone regenerates forever .

[@timgrady4630]

@@hikerbill9248 Do you think your performance (works) are good enough to make it into His Kingdom ?

[@stevehammond8393]

amen to the 7 minute point made re: if they believed

[@RichardM1366]

We are saved by grace and God's love is infinite. But you need to remain loyal. Salvation cannot be lost but it can be tainted by sin. You can lose your eternal reward. You will suffer losses but will be saved. We should all live for Jesus because he died for us.

[@ntkmw8058]

Salvation can’t be tainted either dude that doesn’t even make sense

[@TylerJohnson-p1w]

How loyal ? How "good" you gotta be ? Makes zero sense , dude . Only simple childlike faith in Him for His doubtless Guarantee of Everlasting Life - as a free gift which you can't earn - receives the Forever Promise (John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,11:23-27,20:31). Totally apart from perseverance till death in an unknowable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) : Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6 ; Titus 3:5 ; Phillipians 3:9 ; Book of Galatians .

[@michaelc7418]

I like to tell people: "Believe you have eternal life through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ." I include verses like John 3:16, Acts 15:11, 1 John 5:10-13, Titus 3:5-7, and Romans 11:6). I think including "grace" in Belief in Jesus is important to get people to talk about and understand the gospel of grace more when we preach how to be saved.

[@2Chronicles714_]

We should not neglect the teaching of God's judgment. Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort to live in peace with everyone AND TO BE HOLY, WITHOUT HOLINESS NO ONE WILL SEE THE LORD. 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON them that know not God, AND THAT OBEY NOT the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ 9WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power. 1 Corinthians 10:21You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription “The Lord knows those who are his, and, “EVERYONE WHO CONFESSED THE NAME OF THE LORD MUST TURN AWAY FROM WICKEDNESS.” Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him being abominable and disobedient, and unto every good work. 1 John 2:4 He that saith I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Galatians 6:7-8 7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

[@michaelc7418]

@@2Chronicles714_ Whether someone is saved or not has absolutely nothing to do with their adherence to the law (Romans 3:19-28, Romans 9:29-10:5). Hebrews 9:12 shows that the redemption Jesus obtained for us is eternal, therefore no one's salvation can come to an end. Someone's adherence to the law does not prove they're saved either, because Paul tells people who have already had their old man crucified with Christ (Romans 6:6) to not let sin reign in their mortal body (Romans 6:12-13), meaning it's possible for a saved person to yield their flesh to sin. Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. God can have judgement on a saved person's sinful flesh, but God cannot see their sin spiritually, because they are born of the Spirit. Jesus said in John 3 - "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." Philippians 3:21 says that God "shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." Vile means evil or wicked. Every one that is saved has an evil body that cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 15:50), and is why Philippians 3:20-21 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-57 teaches that every believer will have their body changed to be incorruptible (sinless). But again, that is future, that has not happened yet.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@michaelc7418 Is living for and pleasing Jesus in obedience follow the law so we shouldn't?

[@2Chronicles714_]

@michaelc7418 God does see the sin and we must confess any sin and ask for forgiveness. IF you sin cry out to God for forgiveness. Not only must we confess sin (1John1:9) but we must forsake it. Run away from it. One old definition of repentance is to leave the sin I've done before, and show I've earnestly grieved by doing it no more. If a man is genuinely born again, all old things are passed away, all things have become new.( 2 Corinthians 5:17) Too many today are preaching a perverted gospel to make it as palatable as possible. They give them a shot of love and grace without any warning of a looming judgment of hell for any who think because of grace they can continue living no different than before. Those that believe that a change of conduct [Repenting of sin] is works are making our Lord's death on the cross meaningless. He didn't die for sins to give a green light to live like a demon. Galatians 6:7-8 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. READ THOS NEXT VERSE SLOWLY. 8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

[@michaelc7418]

@@2Chronicles714_ You said: "Is living for and pleasing Jesus in obedience follow the law so we shouldn't?" -> I didn't say we should not follow God's law, but breaking God's law has no impact on one's salvation. You cannot think you have to keep the commandments of the law to go to Heaven, otherwise you don't believe in salvation by grace. 1 John 3:4 says: "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So that means that not sinning is to keep the law. The Bible is clear is many verses such as Romans 3:19-28, Romans 9:29-10:5, Galatians 3:10-14, and so on, that we are NOT justified/saved by the law. You said: "God does see the sin and we must confess any sin and ask for forgiveness." -> Colossians 2:10-15 shows that being saved means that God has circumcised the body of the sins of your flesh, by the circumcision of Christ. So, when we commit sin with our bodies, it does not effect our Spirit. Again, Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. You said: "If a man is genuinely born again, all old things are passed away, all things have become new.( 2 Corinthians 5:17)" -> If that verse were talking about how a saved person lives in this life, then they would never commit any sin ever again, but we know that is not true based on Paul in Romans 7 still committing sin. 1 John 3:9 says: "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." This verse shows that the new birth cannot sin, but the Bible says that our flesh can and does sin, so that shows being born again does not effect how someone lives with their flesh. Again, Philippians 3:20-21 shows that God will (in the future) change believers vile (evil) body to be made like his glorious body; so that means it has not happened yet, hence why a saved person's body still commits sin in this life. You said: "Too many today are preaching a perverted gospel to make it as palatable as possible. They give them a shot of love and grace without any warning of a looming judgment of hell for any who think because of grace they can continue living no different than before. Those that believe that a change of conduct [Repenting of sin] is works are making our Lord's death on the cross meaningless. He didn't die for sins to give a green light to live like a demon." -> It is obvious you are the one preaching a false gospel and you are making Jesus' death on the cross meaningless. Just so we are clear on what the law is, 1 John 3:4 tells us that "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So to not sin is to keep the law. Galatians 2:21 says "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." So you are the one saying Jesus died for nothing, because you think that righteousness comes by the law. Telling people they have to turn from sin to go to Heaven is frustrating the grace of God. Repenting of sin is works, because to turn from sin is to live right, and Titus 3:5 says "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;", and Jonah 3 shows turning from sin is works, since we see the people of Nineveh turn from their sin and God saw that as works: Jonah 3:10 - "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."

[@IL-948]

Truth. Thank you

[@kM-ij2ly]

amen

[@tedrobinson5713]

The Question I am posing to you is Do you believe in entire Sanctification or Progressive Sanctification ? This may answer the Theological position of why Christians ✝️ struggle with certain vices and why others have victory in other areas in their Christian lives.

[@tonyajesusbride15]

It is obvious that the commenters on this video do NOT know the True Gospel! So many people have been blinded and deceived by believing a false gospel. Sin is no longer an issue for the believer because our sin debt has already been paid by Jesus' shed blood on the cross! Once you believe the gospel which is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, you are immediately saved and sealed and will not ever lose your salvation. You have passed from death to life. You may lose rewards in heaven, but you will never ever lose your salvation!! Salvation is a FREE GIFT. Ephesians 2:8-9 makes that abundantly clear. We are saved by grace through faith, NOT OF WORKS, not of yourselves lest any man should boast. It's some very religious Pharisees in this comment section. People who are under the delusion they don't sin anymore in which they do still sin everyday whether by word, thought, or deed!

[@2Chronicles714_]

We all sin the difference is what you do about it. Some pretend that since as they say Jesus did it all they can sin all they want. Others who are true repentant believers who are sin conscious will hate that they've sinned cry out to God by confessing it and ask for forgiveness.

[@tonyajesusbride15]

@@2Chronicles714_ It's not what you do about it, it's what Jesus HAS ALREADY DONE about it. Once you believe the Gospel, Jesus' blood has already washed all of your sins away, and your sin debt is PAID IN FULL. Jesus said IT IS FINISHED on the cross! Jesus took your sin, and He imputed His righteousness to you. You can confess, but you will be confessing everyday because you sin everyday whether you realize it or not.

[@hikerbill9248]

@@tonyajesusbride15 Yes! The blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us continuously. A saved person understands sinning is wrong, and when we sin, God chastens us. When you sin, God will chasten you...that is when you should ask for forgiveness. Yes, the more you read the word of God, the more you will understand what sin is. There are many more sins than just breaking the 10 commandments. Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If God is not chastening you, you are not saved and you have believed in vain. (I'm not saying you specifically, I'm using the word "you" in general) Born again Christians do not walk around thinking it is okay to sin.

[@tonyajesusbride15]

@@hikerbill9248 Amen I agree with this. No it's not okay to sin, but many people think that by not sinning that saves them or keeps them saved. Which is not true. There is a difference between salvation and discipleship, and they are not to be mixed together!

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@tonyajesusbride15 Yes confessing sin and asking for forgiveness is to be ongoing, because we are not sinless. If our lifestyle contradicts God's character then claiming to be a Christian is a lie. Not talking about unscriptual sinless perfection. Even a very mature Christian is susceptible to sin. Someone that has truly been born again will be sensitive to sin and they will be led to repentance and confession to that sin. The blood cleanses but not in the dark. 1John 1:5-10 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

[@johnxgalt8312]

Thanks for teaching the true Gospel.

[@gracefortheprize]

This is what SCRIPTURE says - Jude, the brother of the Lord warned us as follows: " For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who TURN THE GRACE of our God into LEWDNESS and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. 5 But I want to remind YOU [i.e., believers who have trusted in Christ and received the grace of God], though you once knew this, that the Lord, HAVING SAVED the people out of the land of Egypt, AFTERWARD DESTROYED those who did not believe. 6 AND the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as SODOM and GOMORRAH, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual IMMORALITY and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE" Both those Israelites in the desert and Sodom & Gomorrah were immoral and idolaters and they share the same fate, which is not just physical death, but ETERNAL FIRE. Apostle Paul likewise warns you in unequivocal terms: "Do you not know that the UNRIGHTEOUS will NOT inherit the kingdom of God? ..." (1 Cor 6:9-10) "May my enemy be like the WICKED, And he who rises up against me like the UNRIGHTEOUS". Job 27:7 establishes the parallel between the wicked and the unrighteous, they are one and the same. So what is the fate of the unrighteous/wicked? “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is WICKED and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and DRINK with drunkards. 50 The MASTER of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will CUT HIM TO PIECES and assign him a place with the HYPOCRITES [i.e., Pharisees], where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matt 24:45-51) Are you going to tell me now that the hypocrites/Pharisees, where a wicked believer is sent to be with, will be in heaven/the Kingdom of God?

[@robertomoreno3364]

Thanks for this teaching, the only way to get Eternal Life (Salvation from hell) its believe in Jesus for Eternal Life (John 3:16, John 5:24, John 6:47, John 11:25-26, etc), all Glory To God forever and Ever. Amén.

[@Redo12able]

Yeah, it is easy to be confounded by all they did. God's ways are higher than ours.

[@SOG8014]

Awesome 👏🏻👍🏻💯😻

[@bradharford6052]

For me the question is when people ask this, is, what is your perception of heaven? I think scripture teaches us that heaven is the kingdom of God which includes what we can see and what is not visible. It includes everything inside the place represented by the new Jerusalem and it includes everything that is outside that city. So, for me the question is; what is the experience of various people in heaven, both now in the temporal and then in the eternal? Remember the lake of fire (whatever it actually represents), is also within the kingdom of God. This also may lead to another question; Is the judgement of God retributive or restorative? Interesting question.

[@HarryBooth-ow9lb]

When jesus says many people on the day will say lord lord, that surly refers to people who belive in works not faith alone.

[@TheElizabethashby]

BUT GOD KNOWS THEIR HEART

[@LoveClassicMusic0205]

What about someone like Charles Templeton who claimed to believe, but renounced Christ later in his life? To my knowledge he died an atheist. Was he ever saved and if so, why did he not receive discipline from God for the purpose of restoration?

[@GESvids]

"Is it Possible that Charles Templeton is With the Lord Even Though He Died an Atheist?" by Bob Wilkin and Ken Yates kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYivZWiEpqZssLs

[@s.a.6082]

Bad boy preachers can’t lose their salvation, but they can definitely lose some rewards!

[@96HDFXSTC]

2 Timothy 2:13 King James Version 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

[@2Chronicles714_]

2 Timothy 2:12 IF we endure, we will also reign with him. IF we disown him, he will also disown us; IF we deny Him he will deny us. IF you walk away from the Savior rejecting Him you are damned. He will renounce you. Matthew 10:33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven. You do NOT want to hear these words I never knew you. You were never mine. 2 Timothy 2:13 IF we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself. It does not mean He will remain faithful to you otherwise deny in v-12 would mean nothing. IF you are faithless and throw it away, you're not a believer. He is faithful to Himself.The way he vindicated Himself is by throwing you out. God values His trustworthiness and IF you decide I'm going to go my own way to a life of sin you no longer trust in Him. He's faithful to the worth of His name.The way God vindicates His trustworthiness to those who reject it, its called hell. Don't fool yourself with your unbelief by thinking God's still faithful to me. He is faithful He cannot deny Himself,that's who He is faithful to. IF you hold to Jesus saying you are trustworthy you are everything to me, acknowledge you're just a hopeless sinner He cannot deny you. Your security is as firm as His allegiance is to His name.

[@ntkmw8058]

@@2Chronicles714_what part of “if we believe not, yet he abideth faithful” don’t you get? If we cease to believe, we’re still saved. Everlasting life is still everlasting isn’t it?

[@2Chronicles714_]

@ntkmw8058 What part of IF YOU DENY JESUS HE WILL DENY YOU? WHAT PART OF HE'S FAITHFUL TO THE WORTH OF HIS NAME. The way God vindicates His trustworthiness to those who reject it, its called hell. You people who think God is am old grandfather begging so much to be loved that if you decide to become faithless Hell just hope you'll come back. We must continue believing and obeying until the end to be finally saved. Scripture says believes not believed at some point. OSAS is not supported by scripture.

[@stevehammond8393]

an answer to the question why could be because oftentimes our Christian community has a big mouth and loves to hear ourselves talk. I never thot that Ravi was "not saved". Ladd I never heard of but have heard of several others and never misjudged them because of a habit or thorn or log for that matter.

[@garyburns1033]

Amen 🙏

[@PurpleGiraffe9533]

Agreed, someone doesn’t go to hell because of their sinful addictions. Anyone who trust in the finished work of Christ as payment for their sin debt will get able to enter Heaven…. If simply “believing in Jesus for eternal life” is the same thing as trusting in the payment of Christ death, burial, and resurrection then I agree. Unfortunately this ministry shares how to have everlasting life but doesn’t like mentioning the cross?

[@elvintorres7953]

If before they died they confess their sins,sure they are now in Heaven!

[@johnbrew2428]

I wonder if you are confusing George Ladd with a geologist in Missouri at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries.

[@jayheinz4624]

👍👍🐦

[@2Chronicles714_]

John 8:51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.”

[@2Chronicles714_]

Jesus never said IF say you believe in me for eternal life you can live like the unsaved world. Otherwise why did Jesus say this ? Matthew 5:8,29-30 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. 29And IF your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. 30 IF your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. John 8:34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 👉 35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.👈 36So IF the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. Jesus says a person who practices sin is a slave to sin. We all sin. But we are not slaves to sin unless we make a practice of sin. What does it mean to practice sin? It means we know what we are doing is wrong, but we keep on doing it and we are not prepared to repent of the sin and ask for forgiveness (1 John 1:9) Not who believes but who obeys will have eternal life with God. John 8:51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.

[@carp3tstain]

So you believe in works-based salvation? Tell for what purpose do you serve God, fear of condemnation or bc you want to demonstrate His love for you. Now I’ll agree these aren’t mutually exclusive, there is certainly a BETTER answer. Most who address free grace salvation, aren’t encouraging sin, but simply demonstrating that salvation according to scripture is a FREE gift and cannot be lost. There is punishment and chastisement for sin for the believer. Maybe Ravi was taken home early bc of his actions?? Idk.

[@greghillmusic]

Jesus paid for your sin. Nothing you do will pay for your sin. You cannot pay for your sin. You cannot work your way to eternal life. It is not of your works so no one can boast... John 3:16 is not a lie, as you claim. Jesus help you see.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@carp3tstain Galatians 6:7-9 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Read the next verse over and over. 8WHOEVER SOWS TO PLEASE THEIR FLESH, FROM THE FLESH WILL REAP DESTRUCTION; Read this part over and over again. WHOEVER SOWS TO PLEASE THE SPIRIT, FROM THE SPIRIT WILL REAP ETERNAL LIFE.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@greghillmusic Whosoever Believeth. That means you are also obeying to recieve eternal life with God. Read further in John 3 3:19-21,36 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God. 36Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; WHOEVER DOES NOT OBEY THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, but the wrath of God remains on him. To merely say I believe while loving darkness,and living in unrepentant sin HATES THE LIGHT by not obeying the Son. Repentance followed by obedience results in a lifestyle change that is saving Faith.

[@ntkmw8058]

Romans 4:5 KJV “But to him that worketh not but BELIEVETH on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness” It’s the faith that’s counted as righteousness, not the life. Fool

[@timothyscavo8510]

Once saved always saved? NO ... "Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord." HEBREWS 12:14

[@TylerJohnson-p1w]

Whose "holiness" ? Yours ? Are you "good enough" to gain/earn/be rewarded with entrance into His Kingdom upon perseverance till death in an unknowable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) ? Quantify for us the precise and Objectively verifiable - thus Exegetically derived - level of behavioral performance (works) NECESSARY to enter His Kingdom . I've never gotten a coherent response from anyone who thinks their perseverance in behaviors (works) deserves to be rewarded with Everlasting Life .

[@Believe_the_Bible]

Tim, are you suggesting that certain sins can unsave you a reverse ALL that Christ did by grace to and for us once we believed and put our trust in Him? If so, could you list them for me?

[@timothyscavo8510]

@Believe_the_Bible Sir, a list of sins is not the issue, because Jesus said, All sins shall be forgiven unto men, and all their blasphemies. Forgiveness is not the issue here. The issue is walking in sin after you get saved. No one can practice sin and get to Heaven. God will not be mocked. So please don't tell me that Ravi Zacarias went to Heaven.

[@TylerJohnson-p1w]

@@timothyscavo8510 How much sin , sir ? You cannot KNOW , Objectively . That's the sure recipe for unbelief in Him for what He actually certifies (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) . Doubt free assurance of never ending Life with Jesus is belief in Him . Looking to your performance is as futile as it is tragic : imperfect , unknowable , fragile , frail & utterly hopeless is the pursuit of "fruit inspection" to determine one's Everlasting destination . It tops out at "Filthy Rags" . Whereas , His 100% Righteousness (Holiness) is ONLY given to them who believe in Him for His doubtless Guarantee of Everlasting Life : ..."therefore (Justification before God) it is by faith that it might be according to grace that the Promise would be certain" (Romans 4:16) . His Robe of Righteousness adorns all who enter His forever Kingdom . Those without that attire instead are looking to themselves , having essentially become their own self-styled saviors . The Bible undeniably contradicts you . Jesus propitiated (paid for) Every conceivable sin , and took it away as the Lamb of God . Therefore , Everlasting Life is a Free Gift only received by faith in Him For His doubtless Guarantee of Everlasting Life , apart from perseverance till death in an unknowable level of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works): John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-39,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27,11:23-27,20:31 ; Galatians 2:16 ; Acts 16:31 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; 1 John 5:10-13 ... & Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11, 11:6 ; Titus 3:5 ; Phillipians 3:9 ; book of Galatians .

[@Believe_the_Bible]

@@timothyscavo8510 So you don't sin?

[@craigs4530]

Amen brother, if they believed in Jesus for everlasting life they will enter the kingdom, but they won't inherit the kingdom.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Makes zero sense. If you inherit you will enter if you don't Jesus will shut the door.

[@ntkmw8058]

@@2Chronicles714_I second that

[@TylerJohnson-p1w]

​@@2Chronicles714_ There's no verse that states that . So , you're lying again which comes easy for all works righteousness proponents . Because you deny that Everlasting Life is a free Gift that begins this side of the grave : (John1:12-13,3:1-18,4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27,20:31 ; Acts 16:31 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; Galatians 2:16) . Totally apart from perseverance till death in an unknowable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) : Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6 ; Titus 3:5 ; Phillipians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . Any child that's born into a Family is a Family member , forever . Factually & undeniably . Unconditionally true forever . Inheritance is NEVER a guarantee . Purely Conditional on one's perceived performance . Rewards are for faithfulness , obedience , fruitfulness , faithfulness over a lifetime after the new birth . You've got 2 antithetical and incompatible categories all thrown together in a Cauldron of Confusion that ultimately contradicts His doubtless Guarantee of Everlasting Life . The very definition of self idolatry not unlike your ideological mentors the Judaizers , Scribes & Pharisees (Matthew 23) . Whose father was the "father of lies" himself!

[@monicadhaliwal1791]

Please Help me I Believe Jesus Is The Son of God and God The Son of The Holy Trinity I Believe Jesus Shed His Blood and Died in my place to Pay for All my Sins He was Buried Then 3 Days Later Jesus Arose From The Dead!!! But I am struggling with some Sins that I honestly don’t know how to quit I hate my Sins But I genuinely don’t know how to stop them Am I still Saved because of my faith in Jesus or am I Not Saved because of my Sins? Thank you for All your Help and Time God Bless you

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

I don't know much about George Eldon Ladd other than being a foremost proponent of covenantal or post-trib pre-millennialism. I'm dispensational in my eschatology. I'm familiar with Ravi Zacharias apologetics work. I have no idea where George Ladd stood on the Gospel or whether he had a Free Grace understanding. However, with Ravi Zacharias, he was anything but sound on the Gospel and all I really heard from him was 'give your life to Jesus' guff and pretty much zilch about faith alone in the person and Finished Work of the Lord Jesus Christ who gave His life for us. I simply cannot say if Zacharias knew the Saviour but his legacy is an àbominable one not just for his serial lechery but his bullying and character assassination of the women he tried it on with. With George Ladd, he primarily harmed himself and his immediate family but assuming he was saved and most likely was, he wouldn't be the first and certainly not the last saved Christian to have struggled with alcoholism. You are absolutely right that it is believing on Jesus not subsequent behaviour that determines one's entry into Heaven.

[@Prr-u9o]

He mentioned the gospel once and just flicked through it he did not seem to believe it so you are more than likely right I listened to him for years and gave the impression that you had to show works to prove you were saved the same with the rest of his ministry workers .

[@robertwheeler1158]

The "bottom line" is that "the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God . . . Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." (I Cor. 6:9-11; NKJV; cf. Gal. 5:19-21).

[@GESvids]

Is there Any Difference Between Entering the Kingdom and Inheriting the Kingdom? - Bob Wilkin & Ken Yates kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZLUlYaBptp5nqM Welcome to Grace in Focus radio / podcast. Today, Bob Wilkin and Ken Yates are answering a question about entering or inheriting the (Millennial) Kingdom? Should these be thought of as synonyms? Bob and Ken have some answers and an interesting discussion for you concerning this question ... Please listen! Kingdom, Entering, Inherit, Inheriting, Inheritance, Millennium, Rom 8:16-17, Children, Heir, Joint Heirs, Gal 3:14-18, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 1:11-14, Eph 5:5-7.

[@orangeandslinky]

It would help me if you could define hypocrite.

[@carlandre8610]

Romans 10 9 to 11. Believes, not believed. Putting your trust daily. I am saved past tense I am being saved present tense I wil be saved future tense. Have you or I changed our mind about Sin and who God is and have turned from our sinful ways.(rebellion to the Th King our God) Greek meaning of repentance to change your mind coupled with the Hebrew meaning physically owning up to the Sin and the symptoms i.e. sins, and going in a different direction. The person who stole no longer steals but works. Are you trusting in Christ to give you victory over rebellion and Sin. Are you contending with the areas that you need deliverance in and salvation through Christ who works in you. Are you working out your salvation with fear and trembling? I am not te judge of anyone but the Bible tells us to be Holy , to conform to the mind of Christ. So i would be more concerned about examining myself, am i in the faith than about judging the dead. We are saved to bring the Kingdom of God where we go now, TheKingdom has already started, it will come in fullness at The Christ's return, Jesus our Messiah. Live your life bringing an example of the Kingdom wheeever you go.

[@easttexan2933]

I guess, according to your belief, just about everybody is going into the kingdom. Homosexuals, lesbians, LGBQ folks, all who believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sin will enter. Paul says not to be deceived about this. That those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom. Would love to hear your take on Rom6:23. Does it pertain to mortal death or eternal death.

[@GESvids]

Is there Any Difference Between Entering the Kingdom and Inheriting the Kingdom? - Bob Wilkin & Ken Yates kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZLUlYaBptp5nqM Bob Wilkin and Ken Yates are answering a question about entering or inheriting the (Millennial) Kingdom? Should these be thought of as synonyms? Romans - Part 13 - Romans 6:23 - Ken Yates & Kathryn Wright kzbin.info/www/bejne/f160iYRvbNmlp5Y Kathryn Wright and Ken Yates are in Romans six and are especially looking at 6:23, a verse that is often used / misused as part of the “Romans Road” presentation of the gospel. Why is it so misunderstood? What indications are there that this verse is usually misapplied? How does the immediate context of Romans 6 show the true meaning and correct application of this verse?

[@Prr-u9o]

If they are in hell its not because of what they did it will be becsuse they believed and teached a false gospel .

[@important5movements]

My memory is that Rabbi was not accused of sexual intercourse by anyone. Thinking about it in pornography is being unfaithful?

[@2Chronicles714_]

It's committing adultery in the heart.

[@dilbertfish]

@2Chronicles714_ Which no doubt you are innocent of, right?

[@2Chronicles714_]

@dilbertfish If I've ever committed adultery either in the flesh or in the mind then rather then try to fool myself into believing that because I believe in Jesus, it's no problem I confess the sin and ask God for forgiveness and for help to never do it again. 1 John 1:9

[@dilbertfish]

@2Chronicles714_ Sorry for late reply, I got sidetracked yesterday. I don't think there's a problem with avoiding sin or being sorry, but you can't be saved by the law.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@dilbertfish Is obeying the teaching of Jesus and Paul following the law ?

[@ronaldtrask3444]

Ravi Zacharias in no way shape or form was a Preacher, he was a philosopher at best. Zacharias rarely interacted with the text of scripture, rarely if ever interaction with principles of Christian living, rarely if ever discussed his involvement in the local church.

[@TheElizabethashby]

R.Z LIED ABOUT ALMOST EVERYTHING HE WAS A LIAR FROM THE VERY START

[@EmilyMiles-wz2rw]

I can't believe that he said at 6:34, "It doesn't matter that one was addicted to sex and another was addicted to alcohol." 1 Corinthians 6:9-20 says that the sexually immoral nor drunkards will inherit the kingdom of God. He is outright contradicting what scripture says. Please, nobody listen to this self deceived person, he is leading people to hell.

[@timgrady4630]

Inheritance isn't the same as entrance . Rewards are of differing measures depending upon one's faithfulness post Justification before God that only comes by way of faith in Him for His doubtless Guarantee of EverlastingLife , apart from all behavioral performance(works) . There are many examples of children of deceased parents being excluded in their Parent's Will , from inheriting anything whatsoever .

[@2Chronicles714_]

What nonsense. If you inherit your parents home when they pass away then that means you can enter it. Anytime scripture speaks of inheriting the kingdom of God that means enter it.

[@TylerJohnson-p1w]

​@@2Chronicles714_ He never said "inheritance of a house" dude . You're yet again mistaken . The fact that a particular child has Parents who keep the child out of the will in no way nullifies the fact that the child is forever the son or daughter of the Parents , ontologically . You missed the point , once again cuz the blinders (2 Corinthians 4:4) appear to be more-than Super Glued to your skull . Here once again are the challenges that have NEVER been answered by this purveyor of Works Righteousness : " @2Chronicles714_ Where's your 2 passages that would actually provide objective evidence of your assertion ? 1. Whosoever repents (turns from an unknowable level (%) of sins till death and perseveres in hopefully good enough behavioral performance *works*) gains entrance into the Kingdom . 2. Whosoever does not repent (turns from an unknowable level (%) of sins till death) and doesn't persevere in hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) goes to the endless lake of fire . Which leads to further clarification found in Tim Grady 's "Works Calculator Metric" : "I've never gotten a response from this question posed to those attempting to defend works righteousness (Repentance as a turn from an unknowable % of sin until death is NECESSARY to go to His Kingdom) : How good are you ? How good do you have to be to get to His endless Kingdom ? Show us , from Exegesis of Scripture - the unambiguous , precise , objective , doubtless (%) level of behavioral performance (works) NECESSARY per : 1. Second . 2. Minute . 3. Hour . 4. Day . 5. Week . 6 . Month . 7 . Year . 8 . Decade . 9 . Lifetime . I'll wait for your precise , specific , objectively verifiable reply . Make sure that you find this criteria in every Evangelistic/ Justification before God/Everlasting Life passage in Scripture , which would prove that it is indeed NECESSARY ." ***I'll wait for your carefully articulated appraisal of what it is you're Objectively affirming ."

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@user-hr5vz2gd4d Ok Grady 2.0

[@dilbertfish]

@EmilyMiles-wz2rw 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

[@michaelchurchmcm]

Run from this man. Eternal life IS righteousness. If someone is born again yet returns to living perpetually in fornication and drunkenness they do not inherit the kingdom (1 Cor 6, Eph 5, Gal 5). There is no excuse to sin. You have been set free. You are a new creature. The sin generator is not in you. Yes, lust is still in the body but Rom8:13 says the body is dead which means it can't make you sin. If you choose to follow the new desires of the born again spirit, by the conscience, your body is quickened and the deed is mortified (because you didn't do it). Rom 8:13 If you go back to living after the flesh you will eternally die. If you, through the born again spirit, mortify the deeds of the body you shall eternally live. True eternal security is to walk righteous today and you will have hope to walk righteous tomorrow. Do you have to be perfect? No. The covenant of life in our spirit is sealed between the Father and Jesus so it is not about my works. This means even if I sinned and died before repenting I would make heaven. But to use that as an excuse to sin is to not believe the Gospel that freed you from sin. If God cannot lie and you no longer believe then the only outcome is that the word of eternal life is no longer in you. (1 John 1:10).

[@EmilyMiles-wz2rw]

@michaelchurchmcm I couldn't agree more. Some even try to use Solomon falling into sin as proof that God doesn't mind sin because the book of Proverbs is still included in the Bible. Also people point to David, but God punished David severely and David was remorseful for what he had done. These teachers immediately hit anyone saying sin is wrong with the label of a being a Lordship Salvation person, I've only heard of that term recently. How about we just know good is good and evil is evil? Woe to those who say good is evil and evil is good, yet it seems to be increasing.

[@jimma9445]

If I am born again and get caught up in sin and lose my salvation, can I get it back by stopping the sin?

[@greghillmusic]

Jesus paid for your sin. Nothing you do will pay for your sin.

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@@jimma9445 How do you know you are born again to begin with?

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@@greghillmusic For Jesus to grant forgiveness of sins to anyone who has not come to repentance, meaning a redirection of the will away from serving sin to living for and pleasing Jesus would make the grace of God an accomplice to evil!