Do Expensive Chokes Pattern Better Than Factory Choke? Patternmaster/Kicks High Flyer/Factory

[@benjaminbirdsall5953]

This is why you’re supposed to do a pattern test on a 30 inch circle. That size target doesn’t show you what you’re pattern is doing at all. The PM could easily have a tight pattern but it’s off the paper. I’d redo the test with a large 30 inch circle ranger and that will show you where you’re pattern is landing (possibly high right)

[@g7outdoors497]

You are absolutely correct about the 30 inch circle, and if I had that size target with me at the time I would have used it.I will probably take your advise and re-shoot as I too think the pattern is high right. Regarding "that size target doesn’t show you what you’re pattern is doing at all." I respectfully disagree, I wanted to see what my pattern looked like on a solid rest with the bead on the head of a duck sized target at those ranges. Doing so I was able to see how many hits were attainable on that size target at those ranges. The 30" circle pattern test will tell me where I need to hold for future shots (low and to the left possibly), thanks for the advise as I'm sure it will help with my shooting moving forward.

[@monteman8613]

Ps. I steal the wife's wrapping paper for presents and cut to size, permanent market with 15 " string at center happy shooting

[@jimmoseley2983]

I also shoot the Beretta A400. You need to add a shim because your gun is shooting high. You may also want to try the Improved Modified choke. Good luck!

[@danielt.3152]

Basically you could kill with your factory chokes without spending a ton of money on fancy chokes tubes. I think more importantly is the shells you choose, personally I like the performance of black cloud ammo. It really puts mortality on Canadas , it literally folds them up first shot, assuming your lead and aim is good, always remember it’s the archer not the bow, at the end of the day.

[@Raevenswood]

I've shot federal speed shok for years and have never had an issue with primers not being seated correctly. they tend to pattern really well in my Benelli's as well. also for ducks I've never really needed a full choke since steel patterns tighter anyway a mod choke is like a full for steel (more or less).

[@gregb.6682]

Chokes and shot size can be like knowing what shoes are best for a particular activity. When you said #2 shot I felt the Modified tube might be more satisfying..

[@eagle777dh]

Shotgun patterns are like magic. We have three in my group and they all like different loads and brands of shells. One is very picky and it only likes one load. The other two are not as picky but both have shown that for the best pattern they like different loads. Best practice is two try as many loads s you can and stock up on the ones your gun likes. Best way to do it is get your buddies together and each get box or two of different loads and swap a few shells of each kind.

[@opencanoepaddler4373]

Dry fire is when you have no ammo in the weapon. Misfire is when your firing pin is struck well and the round does not go off. A hang fire is when there is a delay between the firing pin striking the primer and the round going bang. Your misfire was a light hit. I need to look at the video again but looked like you jerked the trigger on that light hit. And as someone else said it’s a good idea to wait 30 seconds after an apparent misfire

[@stephenparchewski1998]

I picked up a Patternmaster Code Black goose for my REM 870 and am happy with it. I found that my modified choke shot low and when I went to a Patternmaster, it raised my impact point so the shotgun shoots true now. You sure can tell the difference in quality when comparing my factory choke to the Patternmaster.

[@louiediforte6246]

I have the SX for cording to the manual. Modified choke is a full choke with steel and improve cylinder, is a modified choke with steel when you say use modified with yours, which Choco you actually using

[@fatsquirrel2554]

Great video may I suggest aiming under the duck most field shotguns pattern 60/40. A lot of your pattern seemed to be high.

[@monteman8613]

A full choke will expand in the barrel and get stuck if the shot size is too large, some factory chokes are too constricted to fire steel

[@calebrowland2103]

Steel patterns tighter than lead. If it is not a steel specific choke tube it patterns tighter than specified. Modified for lead shoots a pattern similar to full with steel.

[@aronkoppold3981]

Kicks has a high flyer modified choke might be worth trying out

[@fredfeed4766]

I thought the reason you cant use a factory full choke is due too the constriction with steel is being done in the barrel. An after market extended choke its being done with stronger steel outside of the barrel. I may be wrong but its what I have always heard.

[@68wildside]

The factory chokes are labeled after leadshot patterns and are too tight for steel shot. For example, kicks chokes are labeled after steel load patterns, resulting that kicks full has less constriction than factory full.

[@johnnygagnon4968]

Nice video!!! i may want see like 3-5 shoot at 50 yards with those 3 choke. all the same ammo for se the consistency of the choke or different ammo to see how to work with the choke?

[@NeilNork]

the dud shell is usually from leaving the firearm cocked and weakening the hammer spring, my son did that for a year and firearm had 11 duds in season'

[@g7outdoors497]

appreciate the info, i don't make it a habit of leaving my slide open. It could be possible but i rarely do it . never the less it is a great point and i will be sure to not practice that habit.

[@echosierra9990]

Waterfowl chokes are designed differently than your regular factory chokes. It has to do mainly with the way the choke constricts the shot column. Steel shot doesn’t deform like lead in a tighter choke.

[@mfstr]

WF chokes are bigger diameter, F is M lead, Mod is LM or IC lead ect....

[@grahamshepherd4847]

that how Understand the Kicks high flyer. My Kicks "Full" is also marked as 20 thou constriction, which is a normal Mod choke. @@mfstr

[@randallminor4866]

Muller H2O chokes are ceramic-coated full chokes and the only ones rated for steel.

[@alanperry7706]

Thanks that was interesting . I found playing with different amounts of power and shot, home loads of course I eventually got a really good paten after all that's what home loading is all about you ant going to save money on loading your own but on the day it shower helps in fetching them birds down

[@uni_shadow164]

Everything I read says full choke and steel shot is not good for the barrel over time unless it has a certain steel manufacture rating! I just bought a Mossberg Over / Under and the manual says ok to use steel for cylinder and improved cylinder ONLY! Smaller chokes may be harmful to the operator or barrel! Lastly never hold a shell dimpled by a firing pin toward you!! It can still go off! Not picking on you, just a safety tip!

[@benbox7329]

Your lead. Or factory choke in mod. Is a full for steel basically because steel dose not compress so if you look at the numbers they should be close or the same I'm sure the differ from makes. Myself I use the pattern Master anaconda in my TriStar ou they work fantastic

[@gregoryshelton1358]

I have an aftermarket choke for my 400 and it shot high. After pattering my stock chokes I won’t use the aftermarket one anymore.

[@danielnalepinski3884]

There is a difference between the older federal blue box that was rated at 1400 fps and the new blue box ammo rated at 1450 fps. Not sure what they changed but they havent performed as well in my tri star with beretta chokes.

[@toddbunnett640]

As already mentioned, these chokes are designed to reduce shot string so desired patterns aren’t always achieved. That being said, dial your aftermarket chokes back to a mid range, you will find your patterns are far more even at all ranges. Unless your shooting geese stick with number 4s. They kill all size ducks just as good as number 2 and your patterns are twice as dense.

[@g7outdoors497]

thanks for the advise, I'll give it a try

[@jrow84]

I've been shooting the biggest shot I felt comfortable with for as long as I've been choosing my own shot, 3 in the timber and BB in the fields. I've started thinking I'd like to see how 5's would do in the timber haha. If I can find steel 5's. Kinda changed my thinking from "bigger shot does more damage" to "more shot may do more damage". Can't wait to find out

[@sethhalmrast2007]

If you want the tighest pattern at 50 yards you need code black goose. Ive had code black duck and goose. Goose is scary tight

[@jrow84]

I haven't tried code black. I got a PM ER, or whatever the longest range is, and the pattern stays too tight for almost all of my shooting haha. With 3 1/2 Federal 3's it punched a hole smaller than my fist at 15yds and was about 25 inches at 40

[@michaelelliott9903]

I would like to see how the jebs 685 690 choke tubes work with the same ammunition for you. Thanks

[@daleconklin4313]

I just ordered 3 jebs. I will pattern them. Hope they are as good as they said they were

[@joshuaeck2712]

I've found out of my setup that shooting a mid range choke with steel shot my gun patterns better then a full choke at all ranges

[@g7outdoors497]

What setup are you running?

[@joshuaeck2712]

@@g7outdoors497 Remington v3 waterfowl pro with a Carlson's cremator mid range

[@Wildcaptainjustin]

It looks like every shot is consistently high i would shim the gun and try it again, see if you can bring your Pattern down

[@g7outdoors497]

Thanks for the Tip, I just shot today with a larger 30" target and confirmed what you stated . I just got home changed out the shim...hopefully that will bring down the pattern. Thanks again

[@yourmomma2995]

@@g7outdoors497 one thing to remember is your sight picture HAS to change for the shims to change point of aim, you should be seeing less rib, dont try to adjust your cheek weld to get the same sight picture you had before the shims, or the shims are pointless.

[@TommyboyGTP]

Do the same exact test but try different shells and see how that goes. I'm thinking it's more of an ammunition thing than the chokes with patterning.

[@TheKevinwildman]

Try Carlson choke tube, I never tried code black but when I had the Stoeger M3000 it didn’t like the kicks, Patternmaster anaconda at all.

[@joracer1]

My mossberg 835 will put 16 #4's in a Pepsi can at 65 yds. with a turkey tube I'm going with that. But there's a difference in a dead duck and a shredded duck.

[@losethealtitude7730]

So it might be the ammo, might be the choke. My personal preference when I buy a new gun (actually gotta do this because I just got a sbe3) is to buy shells I personally like. I shoot black cloud, Kent’s, hevi metal, & hevi steel all in comparable shot sizes & shell lengths. I shoot them all at 40&50 yards with factory chokes. If I don’t see anything I’m truly in love with then I’ll go out & buy a after market choke. For my m2 20 gauge it loved a jebs modified with browning bxd #2s. That’s how I do it, you may see better results this way. Just a suggestion.

[@losethealtitude7730]

I had more than enough confidence to kill geese out to 40 yards & absolutley folded ducks at over 60 with my 20 gauge because I patterned it. Ran every shell through it imaginable at longer distances. If the bird didn’t fall, it was because I missed. Nothing else.

[@g7outdoors497]

Great suggestions and I will have to give them a try. Still pretty new to the waterfowl world and learning as I go. Thank you for watching and I appreciate the tips as I', sure they will help.

[@gnarshread]

I really appreciate the solid info. I would normally said that maybe there's a gun fit problem with everything going high right but I believe the bench would negate that.

[@g7outdoors497]

Thank you and I agree with you

[@neilpaul5835]

Excellent test dude I was going to head out and get the high flyer but hey factory standard choke beat the after markets out I'll stay with what I have thanks for sharing 👍

[@g7outdoors497]

Thank you for the comment and glad the video could help you.

[@randytome]

Ideally you should have 100 pellets in a 30" circle. 1.25 oz. #2 steel only has 157 pellets to start with. My bet is that you can't achieve that goal at 50 yds and possibly not 35 yds with chokes and loads you are using. My first suggestion is that you should correct your point-of-aim problem with shims or other adjustments if possible. Attempting to make corrections while shooting at game will never be consistent. Second suggestion is you use 1.25 oz #5 bismuth which has around 240 pellets. This will allow you to exceed the 100 pellets in the circle and still have enough knockdown power to kill out to 50 yds, if you can consistently shoot that far (I can't). Thanks for producing the video.

[@aronkoppold3981]

I don't duck hunt but I have shot lots of coyotes with a high flyer modified in my Mossberg 835

[@andrewbobro3374]

Most factory chokes from Beretta and Fabarms are really good, and the "fancy" chokes perform no better or worse. We just got used to Remington factory chokes being not so great for so many years. To be fair, Remington offered perfectly adequate shotguns for very reasonable prices, so we didnt mind getting aftermarket chokes to fine tune things. That mindset doesn't really carry over when we can get the really nice factory guns offered. In a nutshell, tje aftermarket choke industry was born when the offerings from Remington etc were not very good. The chokes from Fabarm for example are incredibly good, and come with the gun!

[@matthewmitchell8678]

I wasn’t impressed with the code black duck either. I did have great success with the anaconda line from pattern Master. What’s worked very well was anything from Rob Roberts. The triple threat chokes are great. The Turkey one called the final strut shot great no matter what I put through it.

[@bushinbritishcolumbia6935]

Love these pattern testing vids

[@g7outdoors497]

Glad you like them!

[@kross1261]

I came to the same conclusion. My M2 factory crio chokes did as well as the aftermarkets if not better in most cases. If I really wanted to shoot a tight pattern with steel I just put in my 2 notched factory choke. (Not recommended by Benelli) From the many years I’ve hunted I see people with they’re special shells and chokes but so many just can’t shoot. My advice is get to a skeet range and develop your shooting first.

[@g7outdoors497]

I appreciate the suggestion.

[@ronnietea3205]

The idea of the patternmaster is to drastically shorten the shot string, delivering more pellets on a moving target.

[@kross1261]

@@ronnietea3205 yes I believe that’s a bit of marketing hype imo from them. First I’ve seen tests showing that chokes don’t have too much of an effect on shot string lengths, secondly fast moving steel shot already has a pretty short shot string and I doubt if you’d see any difference in real world shooting.

[@bentleyfatheree1616]

Pattern Master shot string is a lot shorter this means more pellets when you hit your target

[@andrewn.5117]

Looked like the recoil on the full chokes threw your pattern higher. The center of your pattern was 12 inches above the duck

[@tudorwynphillips6458]

Great video.

[@g7outdoors497]

Much Appreciated !

[@hondablood3]

Great info, I just bought the pattern master and wanted to know what sort of patterns other people were getting. It looks like it won the first 2 rounds and did have the tighter pattern on the 3rd although pulling right.

[@g7outdoors497]

Thanks , I appreciate it. To be fair as its mentioned in some of the other comments below the targets where a bit small ( the size of a teal) and I was assuming the pattern was holding true to my bead......That was not the case and the Patternmaster was shooting a bit high and to the right which I have since adjusted my aim when hunting and notice I have been dropping a lot more birds. I would not have know that if I hadn't shot this video. Love my Patternmaster and it is what I run just about every hunt.

[@edsmercina7157]

Thanks

[@g7outdoors497]

No problem

[@ReefMimic]

Maybe wait a bit longer like 30 seconds on a dry fire before removing and keep pointed in safe direction incase there’s a delay . Sometimes wet powder . When I was getting dry fires I changed my firing pin with a new one that solved my problem. When I go to the trap range I use cheap Winchester light loads .it’s a 100 round box with 4 boxes inside. 1 out of 100 dry fires every time I used them. The oem stock full choke is probably ment for upland game using lead . Even my benelli full stock chock says no lead Anyway that’s what I read.

[@g7outdoors497]

Thank you for the suggestions, much appreciated!

[@brianmoore8633]

Good video. Do you think you could do a pattern test with a patternmaster code black goose with kent 2.0 shells

[@g7outdoors497]

Thank you , I can try and get my hands on some Kents and see what i can do . I do have a video coming up with the Patternmaster Code Black Duck and Goose which I found out that they love the Hevi Hammer #4 shot. Subscribe and keep watching for the video. It should drop soon!

[@pahunter7816]

In my own opinion there is only one choke tube you'll ever need for duck or goose hunting ever.. The .720 Terror choke tube does it all & then some.. Turns your duck/goose gun into an anti aircraft waterfowl gun short or long range hands down..

[@g7outdoors497]

i'll have to check it out

[@benblazek3305]

They have a disclaimer on their site acknowledging that their chokes bulge in certain guns. They call it a barrel problem where pattern master, kick's, and Rob Roberts don't have the same problem. Terror chokes are overpriced garbage that people should avoid

[@pahunter7816]

@@benblazek3305 They have the disclaimer on there for a reason.. I've been waterfowl hunting for 25 years & I shoot nothing but a 10ga for all my waterfowl hunting setups while I am goose hunting.. The .720 Terror Choke Tube is absolutely lights out devastating on geese shooting Federal Black Cloud in BB.. Now when I'm duck hunting you better believe I'm using my Pattern Master Code Black Duck shooting Federal Black Cloud in 3 inch #3's..

[@benblazek3305]

@@pahunter7816 yeah, they have a disclaimer because they know their product is garbage and don't want to stand behind it

[@chrismcneil5543]

I felt this may be more telling of the ammo than the chokes. Maybe you could do the same video with different ammo? Maybe a shot through each tube with a few types of ammo, same size though.

[@g7outdoors497]

I appreciate the comment and agree with you. I did a follow up with a different brand and dialed in what my gun and choke like.

[@reddawng43x91]

You need the carlsons cremator choke it out performs them $100 chokes and it’s only $45

[@g7outdoors497]

might have to give it a try , thanks for the tip

[@theprovideroutdoors6277]

The reason the full choke isn’t steal rated that beretta sends is because if you read the owners manual it says full chokes in that gun makes the pattern inconsistent and spread out!

[@g7outdoors497]

It came with a manual? I'll have to take a look at it and thank you for the education on that. My Full choke pattern at the closer ranges seemed to keep a pretty decent pattern. It just got a little squirrely at the longer range and I am assuming if I had a larger target that I would have seen the pattern stay tight but high and to the right. Maybe i'll shoot another video and find out . Thanks for the feedback

[@theprovideroutdoors6277]

@@g7outdoors497 no problem man loved the video most waterfowl chokes that say full are actually modified chokes with lead but with steal a modified shoots like a full choke!

[@big10hunter42]

Factory modified is a modified choke for lead and is full for steel. Most factory chokes are labeled as such or the owners manual will state this. That is at least true for my Brownings.

[@g7outdoors497]

Thank you !

[@raulmorales8171]

Sobre shock para guajolote requiero extended tuve longbeard alguien me oriente para la Franchi 912 variomax Es el adecuado ?????

[@bobsbarnworkshop]

Look at all your patterns, they are all high! Look at your vent rib sight …. It tapers down to the muzzle! Put the bead UNDER your target, not on it! I did this same experiment with my Remington 1187, I was hitting high at 50 yards! Shoot at a 4’ square piece of paper to really see your patterns. Good luck!

[@drgdfhfdhfd498]

I have also tried patternmaster, i feel like this chokes are just hype.

[@g7outdoors497]

Cant disagree with you on that

[@jrow84]

I went back to my factory(Remington) full tube at the end of the season and was bombing ducks. My last shot this season I killed a drake dead at 80 yards, shooting BBs

[@jeanfrancoispoulain3745]

En France merci

[@Ryansbbqnbrew]

Good video man, try jebs high voltage. I’ve tried kicks, Carlson, and pattern master, and jebs does the best.

[@g7outdoors497]

Thank you ! I will have to take a look at them and see how they do. I just adjusted the shim in my A400 in hopes that it will bring my pattern down. Today I shot again with some larger 30" targets and the pattern is running high but the group was pretty dang tight, hope the shim helps bring it down. Thanks again for the suggestion!

[@Ryansbbqnbrew]

G7 Outdoors shims definitely help. I’m shooting SB3 and from factory it was shooting high and to the left, I adjusted the shins and right on target now. Good luck.

[@westonbeck8004]

Do you use the .685, .690 or .695 high voltage?

[@Ryansbbqnbrew]

Weston Beck .695

[@andrewn.5117]

@@g7outdoors497 do you have a400 xtreme plus? I got one and it's shooting 50/50 60/40

[@yourmomma2995]

i think a lot of your patterns was off the target, you should try to find some big pieces of cardboard next time. a tv box, shed box, refrigerator boxes...exc. you could probably find some cardboard without even really looking on garbage day around the neighborhood.

[@g7outdoors497]

Thank you for your suggestion and I took that feedback and did a follow up video doing just that. Thanks again kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYmcomt5qL-qepo

[@nebraskaman8247]

I would redo the test with a slower fps shell. Seems like the faster the shot the worse the pattern sometimes.

[@g7outdoors497]

ill give it a shot

[@nebraskaman8247]

Awesome! Thanks! I’ll be interested to see how much things change with the slower velocity.

[@micthewrencher]

The results had more to do with your shooting then the chokes. I think you missed with most of the pattenmaster's pattern at 50.

[@g7outdoors497]

Joe Frank the shotgun was on a solid rest with ALL the chokes and the bead on the head of each target.....nothing to do with shooter error. That is the sole reason I used a rest to eliminate that factor as said in the video.The pattern appeared to be high and to the right. I love my patternmaster and have dropped a lot of birds with it but on that day with that ammo it did not preform. I will re-shoot with a larger target to get a better idea. Thanks for the comment

[@micthewrencher]

You are assuming thr center of your group is exactly behind your bead and its probably not. You need a bigger target to catch more of the pattern to see where the center is.

[@jonathanhoward1497]

@@g7outdoors497 I understand what you're saying but at 5:55 even with the solid rest shooting from a b**** when you pull the trigger in that shell didn't go off there was still a Flinch in movement of that shotgun. While you have worked hard to eliminate as much error as possible oh, there still is human error in these tests. I think a better test of shells and chokes performance together would be a five-shot aggregate

[@11Bulletstopper]

We must keep in mind a lot of High dollar chokes that “grab” the wad and shorten the shot string, don’t really look that amazing on paper. Also do not pattern using a bench you shoot differently with a shotgun from a bench However when you take a shot string that is 14 feet long, then shorten to 5 feet like a Patternmaster, a mass moving together hits hard, travels further.

[@g7outdoors497]

Thanks for your comments and suggestions I appreciate them. I have to disagree about the bench comment. I understand where you are coming from regarding the way you shoot "freehand" vs on a rest is not the same naturally but for the purpose of the video and patterning in general you need the most consistent method and hold to show what the pattern is actually doing without the human error element introduced by pulling/flinching during the shot. Everyone pulls and no one is able to have a hold as consistent as a bench rest. Therefore when you pattern with the bench you truly see what the pattern is doing and when you transition to a live situation you know where it is hitting without your error. Thanks again for your suggestions and opinion .

[@11Bulletstopper]

Yeah totally get that. For my turkey gun I’ve done both actually kinda along the lines of what you’re saying. I want to take human error completely out, then shoot a few freehand. I guess as long as you’re not putting a huge emphasis on a POA/POI shift and just purely looking at uniformity. Oddly enough from a bench, super steady I’ve seen some of my guns shoot a little off, then freehand be dead on. I think it’s because of you’re actually aiming a shotgun with different pressure on the gun vs mounting/holding/pointing. Good stuff regardless. Cheers.

[@g7outdoors497]

agreed and great points !

[@mdblem2]

Interesting video on patternmaster shot string. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qF6weZamgsyDqck

[@juddhughes2487]

It’s bc of the shot steel shot you’re using

[@alexanderrey4537]

Your “dry fire” looks more like a light strike 99% chance the guns problem not the shell. And with the “no steel” you can shoot other none toxic loads such as bismuth through that.

[@g7outdoors497]

Thank you for the education , I appreciate it

[@68wildside]

You can not shoot bismuth through a "no steel" choke as it is harder than steel.

[@Windwalker_Outdoors]

You're shooting high. You need a bigger pattern board to see the rest of the pattern.

[@g7outdoors497]

Agreed , I'll probably go back and do just a true pattern test with the patter master on a 30" board. Thanks for the feedback

[@Windwalker_Outdoors]

@@g7outdoors497 Walmart has poster board that comes in 5 or 10 pack. They measure 22"×28". I usually use them but find myself wishing I used something even bigger. I actually did just what you did, using the same targets to get an idea of my patterns. It was hard to tell if i was hitting with the center of the pattern. I had an issue with hitting high as well. I went with a larger bead (Easy Hit Shotgun Sight 3mm) which will raise your POI. I know these kinds of videos take some effort to put together, but they do get you views. Maybe try a bigger target back and give it another go. While I'm here, I'm subbing!

[@g7outdoors497]

Thanks for the tips , I think I am getting it dialed in since I have shimmed the stock. Thanks again for taking the time to share your thoughts.

[@o2o2polock]

There are a couple flaws with your test. 1 is the size of your target, which is made obvious by the others in this comment section. The other is you are comparing two different types of tubes. Pattern master does not use shot constriction. It removes the wad from the shot quicker to allow the shot to naturally maintain the pattern across longer distances. Regular constriction style tubes will "squeeze" the shot cup creating a tighter "pattern" but in doing so it stretches the shot string out sometimes as much as 20 feet. You cant tell this because youre shooting at a 2D target but if you had a HS camera by the target youd see what im referring to. The PM tube shortens the string meaning all the shot hits the target at once, instead of your pattern looking more like a tube.

[@g7outdoors497]

Thank you for the pointing out the flaws in the test, others had mentioned this as well and in the next few videos I changed the target size as suggested. You are right, I am comparing two different types of tubes and very aware of that. As the title stated, I wanted to see if the factory tube was sub par to the more expensive aftermarket tubes. In the video with the combination of choke/gun/ammo Kicks and PM did not stand out drastically over the factory regardless of what type of tube it is. I do appreciate the insight and appreciate your comments, thanks for taking the time to watch.

[@reddawng43x91]

Glad to see factory choke out performed $200 worth of gimmick chokes

[@g7outdoors497]

Yea it was nice to see they held their own in this vid. However, I found in a later video I made that it all depends on the combination that your gun likes. Mine likes the 3" HeviHammer#4 and I have not found a round that shoots any tighter. Gotta play around with the combination to find out what works out best. Thank you for watching I appreciate it!

[@coltjones8250]

That looks like the bottom of your patterns man!

[@HerkulesRS]

alot of holes in all of the shots done. i would not buy that particular shell for myself by this test.

[@alexsharykin5435]

Great video but looks like your gun shoot 80 /20.

[@RobertBlackmon-wo8mp]

I don't like modified!! I like clean kills!!!

[@Cr125dood]

Talking down on the pattern master but in reality it beat the two other plus if you have a nice gun that comes with shims you can change your centering and make kill shots pattern master took the win

[@g7outdoors497]

Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. Just to clear things up, I never talked down on the Patternmaster chokes and in fact I use the Code Black Duck and Goose exclusively in my shotgun to this day.I was disappointed in the performance on that day and yes a lot of that in hind sight was due to not having the right combination of shell/gun/choke in play and needing to adjust the shims(unknown at the time). If you watched the video throughout you would see that Im shooting a Beretta A400 xtreme unico ( fairly nice gun) and yes I took the advise from others and adjusted the shims to bring the pattern down in my other videos. The topic of discussion for this video was "do expensive chokes pattern better than factory".....in this video with the chokes and the shell combination that I had on that day it showed that there was not a major gap between the two. Yes the PM did edge them out slightly but not by much. If you want to see what the PM can really do you have to do your homework and find out what combination of shell and choke specificly work for your personal gun as every one handles the combination different. I have put the time in ti find out this information and the video will be up shortly. I am not affiliated with PM and I do think they make a great choke but on that day with that combination it didn't stand out to me as it has in other videos with a better suited combination. Again thanks for the feedback and have a great day

[@jerrodladner3019]

Your guns shooting high. Not gonna be a fair comparison until you fix that

[@g7outdoors497]

Not a fair comparison? Regardless if the gun is shooting high, that variable will not change how the pattern groups on paper. It will be a tight group high, to the left, to the right or low .......the grouping of the pattern thrown by the chokes is what the video is about. Appreciate your comment but I'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Have a great day

[@jerrodladner3019]

The pattern looks great above where you are aiming . Common thing with shotguns now shoot a much bigger target and I bet the patterns will look good just high

[@g7outdoors497]

Great point, I did move to a much larger 30" circle on a XL packing box in another video i made and it made a big difference. I have found that the majority of the Berettas and Benelli that i have shot all shoot high .Reading a bit more on it, they claim that most bird hunters prefer the 60/40 split shooting high......to each their own i guess.

[@jerrodladner3019]

@@g7outdoors497 not trying to sound like a ass but that's why I gave up and went back to a 30 inch full choke model 12. I spent more money than I want to say on browning Beretta and other shotguns and never got one that shot where I was aiming. Now 25 years later I'm right back to what I started with and have only missed 3 longbeards in the last 7 seasons. I use that 3 inch model 12 for everything but doves, I have a 20 gauge model 12 with a modified I use for doves

[@jerrodladner3019]

@@g7outdoors497 oh yea I forgot.. I don't buy into the 30 70 percent bull shit I want my gun to shoot a round pattern that's a near as possible perfect circle around my aiming point just like they use to in the old days

[@TheDeerhunter42]

Trash them chokes and get a jebs high voltage and never look back. You want regret it.

[@g7outdoors497]

I'll take a look at them and thanks for the advise.

[@brandonmcmahon8411]

Federal is fine, the Beretta isn’t

[@g7outdoors497]

how do you figure, care to elaborate ?

[@nickyoung6819]

Who shoots a duck at 50 yards? Not a realistic scenario. That last target should have been no more than 45 yards

[@g7outdoors497]

Not sure the style of hunting you do but there are many situations where a 40-50 yard shot may be taken when hunting geese, cranes, and duck. The aftermarket chokes claim to keep a tight pattern out to and some past 60 yards so why not test them? I don't hunt flooded timber , I hunt large flooded rice fields and bays for ducks which sometimes call for a longer shot (35-45 yards) .......I do not normally shoot outside of the 35 yard range for ducks but this video was a pattern test and not me trying to recreate a "realistic scenario", sorry if the video was misleading to you. Also , there were two other targets that were shot that can satisfy your need for a "realistic scenario" if you feel that 50 yards is a bit outside your comfort range for a pattern test. I appreciate your comments and thanks for watching , I'll try and keep it realistic moving forward and not put the manufactures claims to test.

[@nickyoung6819]

@@g7outdoors497 Glad you responded. I have a Carlson Cremator choke tube as a full choke. I like ducks no more than 45 yards. I like the full choke because it stays as a tight pattern over longer ranges. I personally would not shoot a duck past 45 yards. So the scenario wasn’t realistic for my style of hunting. I don’t feel comfortable shooting any bird past that range. I personally don’t like that patternmaster advertises that you can shoot a duck or goose at 60 plus yards. You aren’t getting the full feel of what waterfowl hunting is when the birds are that far out. I really like federal blue box # 3’s for ducks. It’s economical and gets the job done.

[@g7outdoors497]

That's the beauty of waterfowl hunting... everyone has there own personal preference and set up that works with their particular situation and setup. I have done a few other videos and have dialed in what my gun and choke like and it is pretty dang good in my opinion. A person just has to put in the time and try different setups to find what works best for them personally. I like to run a full choke as well and agree with you that ethically shooting past 45 is not my choice. The pattermaster does a claim to have a much shorter shot string and it is very apparent in comparison with some of my buddies when hunting open water. I like this personally along with a full choke because when I miss .....I miss and don't cripple the bird with a stragler in the shot string but when i hit they are stone dead. some people like the longer shot string because it offers a bit of compensation. Federal Blue box dont seem to do bad with my A400 and any of my chokes but they do run dirty . As i said before, I appreciate the time you took to comment and thanks for watching.