Do Nails or Screws Have the Most Holding Strength (not shear strength)? Let's find out!

[@herbiehusker1889]

You've nailed this video. Definitely not screwing around.

[@solomonshaffer832]

You really drove that home.

[@marty3469]

@@solomonshaffer832 hit the nail on the head there !!😁

[@Jeff-jr3sg]

Can you hammer out some more puns?

[@wizkid1]

Screw this. You guys got all the good jokes ill just stick to getting hammered.

[@Huntsrelics]

you've done a hammer of a job @@wizkid1

[@DicateauxStudio]

THIS IS, HANDS DOWN, THE COOLEST KZbin CHANNEL. Everything ive ever seen on this channel is very informative, fun, organized, easy to digest, scientific, and horribly interesting to the point its hard to walk away.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@Brindle_Boxer]

Agreed, I made an eerily similar comment yesterday on a different video. Great content!

[@trash_666_trash5]

Ya I a agree with you

[@MicroageHD]

I mosty agree. But this video was not very scientific. He threw out measurements just like that. That's completely unacceptable.

[@frankierzucekjr]

I agree. As a carpenter that has used mostly all of these, he is correct with his outcome. I like that I tests each thing several times because sometimes things work better in different parts of the wood. It's just the way it works. I'm guessing it has to do with tighter grain or next to a knot in the wood. That nail will never come out. We'll not without tons of persuasion lol

[@BlueDart1971]

34 people that sell cheap nails disliked this video. The rest of us totally appreciate your work! Another great video!!

[@kalemercer7053]

Another 12 salespeople had shown up when i read this.

[@enosunim]

The only problem of the test is that you use nails to fix things together. This synthetic test is interesting however )

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@thomashughes6951]

@@ProjectFarm please test drywall anchors

[@Antonyg2100]

I never understand the thumb down people, you are not forced to watch. By far Project Farm channel is the most honest straight forward information you will find on you tube. What is there to dislike. He even asks for constructive criticism and ideas. Clearly these videos are a lot of work and money. No need to dislike just click onto something else.

[@fflife6730]

Whenever I see a Project Farm thumbnail, I immediately think, how would I real-world-test this product. Then I say, Not A Clue so I’d better see how Todd does it. EVERY Project Farm video, even the ones for items I’m never going to use, are so informative and entertaining and ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC, you just have to watch. THANKS TODD!!! And thanks to Mrs. Project Farm for allowing you to spend 23 hours a day working on experiments for us!!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!!

[@mickstermouseter7059]

@@ProjectFarm Have you done a test to see which self tapping screws tap the best without destroying the screw end or the hex head on top. Also how thick the metal can be before they will not self tap?

[@Sturdy_Penguin]

I gotta say. I really like how scientific of an approach you try to bring. Answering the questions that nobody else is taking the time to answer. I appreciate it.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you very much!

[@rotate85]

Can you do a video on the shear strength of these fasteners.

[@ProjectFarm]

Great recommendation! I'll definitely do it if there's enough interest.

[@OGbqze]

Would love it! I like to know what's best!

[@ericjames5398]

Was going to post the same thing but noticed this comment already

[@Drew-in-NoDak]

Yes do a Shear strength test

[@Eric-x4v3i]

Definitely need this test. Nails are designed for shear strength where screws are designed for tensile strength. I screw will always beat a nail in the test you conducted.

[@wildexperiense]

Never thought I would get hyped up over screws. I screamed when we hit over 1k pounds

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@xbeetlejuiice4981]

Leo Nardo why would you spoiler tho :(

[@greenscreen1060]

@@xbeetlejuiice4981 what did you expect reading the comments before watching the video?

[@xbeetlejuiice4981]

GreenScreen What was i expecting? I don’t know. But i hoped there were no spoilers xD

[@anthonyschollaerts6649]

@@greenscreen1060 stfu

[@shiloh4184]

This dude is top notch. The topics, the flow, the quality, the pace, the clarity. I can literally watch a video 10x in a row and still be impressed and learn.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!

[@matthewdupuis232]

Another great test! The galvanized smooth nail surprised me the most.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@andyp3834]

Not me bro, I used to do a little non-office work and pulled many nails out, my next door neighbor used to own a few apartment buildings (now he is passed away), but he taught me a ton, and his father used to own a construction company. Most people called him Dr. Mott, (psychology) but to me, he will always be TJ. take care........

[@257Tony]

Looks like that was an electro galvanized nail, the old school hot dipped type were even worse to try and remove!

[@JSAFIXIT]

I think (just an idea) that the coating is loosened up when its hammer into place, pulling up on it jams the zinc against the wood and shank.

[@johnwade1095]

Zinc has a ferocious coefficient of friction. It sticks like the proverbial brown stuff. Shame its got no strength.

[@shawncrocker7037]

I'm amazed you actually commented on every, single, screw and nail that was pulled. Great video!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@denisl2760]

Great video agreed, but it did get a little repetitive. Would've been better to show just one example of each, and then a chart at the end showing the data.

[@G_Cs]

@@denisl2760: "but it did get a little repetitive. Would've been better to show just one example of each, and then a chart at the end showing the data" Fair point, but I actually enjoyed seeing each one. For me, it made the whole test more believable. I don't doubt Project Farm in the least, and the reason for that is due to the degree of effort put forth in his testing. If the results charts were shown right after an example, then followed by the actual footage, I would still have watched the entire video. It really give me that satisfaction that the test is complete as stated. Otherwise, I have to interrupt what is in the chart with a little more effort. Hearing a description of the results while showing a chart still does not compare to seeing the entire thing. Also, consider that an example followed by the chart would be harder to understand for non-English speaking viewers, and the same for those that have hearing problems. Project Farm always makes videos that cover a decent spread of products that are being tested, rather than leaving out a whole lot of them. Still due to the variety of products, there will be some good suggestions of others that could have been tested. All good points. Also notice that each segment was edited to show just the meat of the test. Things go swiftly but with the visual aid of showing it, everything is easy to understand. There is never any wasted "fluff" in the videos. I wish more KZbin testing videos by others were as fine tuned. As you can see from the comments, there have been several suggestions of how the tests could have been done differently. None of those imply Project Farm is not trustworthy either, but they do show that a different type of test could have been made. Seeing the video of each test the way it was performed gives me that satisfaction of understanding exactly what was done. For example, seeing the screws tearing up wood when removed adds to understanding what is happening. A chart could never do the same in these instances. I don't disagree with you, and I think a lot of people might even prefer your shortened method, but for some of us (at least me), I am completely satisfied with how it was done. If a shortened method is preferred by the majority, it will surely be reflected in the comments.

[@mike1169]

What’s the pen

[@jeremyn83]

You should probably note nails are primarily used for SHEAR (lateral force) strength and screws are for COMPRESSIVE (holding) strength. With lateral loads like framing weight, you use nails. For mounting drywall or decking, you use screws.

[@wombatillo]

Screws can take shear loads too and, considering how cheap they are these days and how good cordless screwdrivers have become, they're being used for more and more applications.

[@RaggedsEdge]

Yes! came here to say this. Nails are for shear strength. Might be a good follow up test. Edit: sheer to shear. I blame auto correct lol.

[@user-os8sq3uh4n]

Sheer strength 😃 that's a different meaning than shear strength. Took a sec to parse that.

[@tnbspotter5360]

Nails are for speed to save labor costs.

[@ninjamaster3453]

@@wombatillo no. And this can be dangerous. That drywall screw looks the job, but it's shear strength is lower and when rust sets it in it will break.

[@unclemikeb]

Amazing job on this test. You helped me feel better about the investment I made in a 10 x 20 shed. I wanted it to hold together in case we got a strong west wind. So even though code didn't require it, I built it on 16 inch centers and I used torx screws all around. That allowed me to build it without a lot of pounding and the screws really locked that thing together tight. I had a really useful tool my son bought me. It is a battery powered drill with a removable chuck. When you remove the quick release chuck there is a 1/4 inch hex under there that can hold a short tool tip. I put a short #25 torx in there so I could use just one tool. Where I had to fasten at an angle, I would drill a pilot hole, remove the chuck, and then run the screw in with the torx tip. It worked very well for that type application. The chuck fit in my tool pouch when not needed. Seeing your demonstration helped me justify the extra cost of the screws. I chose the torx because I have had too many phillips strip out, so it is only torx for me from now on.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing.

[@Vengetuen_Wraith]

was the milwaukee's, bosh's, festool's or dewalt's?

[@thatrealba]

Seeing as how nails are engineered for shear strength not holding power, I would like to see a video on that. Love your testing rigs, by the way!

[@Antonyg2100]

I am often very impressed with the testing rigs. Im always like damn I wouldnt have thought of that.

[@ProjectFarm]

Great test recommendation! Thank you

[@alphazuluz]

BA agreed. I also made that recommendation. As a carpenter, I don’t use nails for pull out strength. They are placed horizontally in shear strength.

[@Error42_]

Dry wall screws don't like sideways force, they are quite brittle. Although that may in part be due to the fact that the shaft on drywall screws tends to be thinner than on other screws.

[@thatrealba]

@@Error42_ screws are not engineered for shear strength. Best to use the right fastener for the job.

[@digitalgulby]

This is a neat test, but as someone who worked in the collated power fastening business for several years I think there is something worth noting. I worked for SENCO, and sold lots of collated fastening products including nails and screws. I think it's worth stating that while screws have incredible holding power, there is a reason they are not used for framing. Drywall screws do NOT do well in event of catastrophic failure such as storm damage or violent lateral twist (shearing). You should not build a house or anything structural with drywall screws, they will snap very quickly if any lateral force is applied to the beams. Yes, they do make screws that are designed for framing but you should NOT substitute drywall or general purpose screws for a real framing nail. Great channel by the way, fun stuff. LOL - looks like others commented same as I did.. Shear value, important to note!

[@ProjectFarm]

Great point! I'll test shear strength soon. Thanks again!

[@_GRiM1]

I've had screws snap quite easily

[@satatik21]

He tested the shear strength in his newer video, and drywall screws came out on top of all the tests. Above even every nail tested.

[@jamesjarrait2231]

As a hardware store employee and formerly lumber yard sales guy, the galvanized nails are likely common nails. These are thicker than the same named size in coated sinkers; sinkers are also slightly shorter than their name in pennies. I don't know whether the first uncoated nails were also common or box nails, the latter of which are thinner than the same named size of common nails. James :)

[@DrugsAreBadUmmmKay]

@@satatik21, no they didn't.

[@joshlafollette5459]

Do a video testing different drywall anchors. (Drive in, screw in, toggle bolts, metal and plastic). Wanted to suggest this for a while now.

[@ProjectFarm]

Terrific recommendation! It's coming soon, I promise. There's going to be a lot of drywall damage. lol

[@TC-uy8ng]

I wanted to recommend this too. Great idea.

[@tinamcdermott-sicilia4846]

Yes ! Great idea !

[@bhough410]

@@ProjectFarm Thank you for accepting the challenge! Could you include a couple varying weight loads of the EZ anchor Twist Locks? They seem to hold up better than anything else on the shelf from the big box stores. Really interested how they hold up compared to "rated" performance. Definitely look forward to the test & Thank you for your continued efforts!

[@SeattleMK2GLI]

@@ProjectFarm - WooHoo!!

[@vaderdudenator1]

I really appreciate that you put serious effort into getting a good sample size and eliminating outliers. Another solid video 🙂

[@ProjectFarm]

I appreciate that!

[@ThatOddGarage]

You are a scientific master. Giving answers to questions I had never thought of. Hope your weekend was awesome

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you very much! Great weekend. Hope yours was great too! Thanks again

[@michaelmontgomery5818]

It is no mystery as to why you have gone from zero to 500,000+ subs in a short time. Always looking forward to your next video!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you very much!

[@elimcnett4875]

Would love to see shear strength on these nails/screws. Love the videos!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@NotJustaTool]

Yes! That would be very revealing, as drywall screws snap so easily. Deck screws would be the logical choice after witnessing the metallic properties.

[@abepeters48]

I agree, I don’t think and of the screws would hold up as well as the nails in a shear strength test.

[@openupyoureye]

I’ve read that’s why they don’t use screws in framing because they snap and nails can bend.

[@JSAFIXIT]

@@NotJustaTool they always snap in the same spot too, right where the radius levels off onto the shank.

[@francisR46]

Great video as usual. Thank you! One thing I noticed. The galvanized spiral shank test. The jig turned allowing the nail to "unscrew" itself from the wood. I believe if the screws had been pulled straight up without the jig and the nail rotating the nail would have had a lot more holding power. One of the reasons they hold better is because as they are pounded in they act almost like a screw, twisting into the wood. Having tried to remove those type of nails from deck boards I know they hold better than a smooth shank nail. They are a pain to pull out.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks and you are welcome!

[@helmanfrow]

Agreed. The test should be modified to restrict the pulling jig to motion on only one axis. Or the nails should be tested in pairs.

[@terrell07981]

I noticed that and was thinking the same thing.

[@TJDukit1]

Test shear strength of those nails vs. those screws. Obviously you know there are different applications but it would be nice to see the numbers. Nails are best when flexibility i needed and screws when holding power is required.

[@ProjectFarm]

Great recommendation! Thank you

[@interwebuser]

This. Otherwise you'll get but but mah screw will "insert a very screw specific benefit" that nails won't comments.

[@richwood2741]

When it comes to shear strength the nails will be the best. Now a comparison between nail types would be great. Screws are not great when it comes to shearing as that is not what they are intended for.

[@markbunn8576]

Very true. I've seen deck screws snap as the boards expand and contract. Nails are more flexible and much less likely to break.

[@torkandbeans7321]

@@ProjectFarm Great point! As a drywaller and carpenter for 20+ years, drywall screws have very little lateral shear strength versus something like a joist hanger nail. Lateral strength might be a nice test for next time!!

[@silverhawk7324]

Never in my life have I been this interested in watching nails being pulled out of wood, until I watched this video. Wow.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@electronicsNmore]

Great testing Todd! A lot of work went into making this video. Nice testing rig. I know what I'll be buying for my next project, thanks to you! :-)

[@ProjectFarm]

Doug, Thank you very much! By the way, that was a terrific video you published yesterday on removing a stuck key from a deadbolt! That knowledge will come in handy! Thanks again

[@hawkeyestiguy]

Awesome to see. I knew I loved those deck screws for a reason. I always felt like they gripped much more aggressively than other options & this proves it.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@kalemercer7053]

There are Only 2 ways to do something; 1) The Right Way 2) And Again

[@ProjectFarm]

I like it! I'll use this wisdom with my children. Thank you!

[@MattsAwesomeStuff]

Kale - In the case of your wife, I prefer both. When you out of town next?

[@351cleavland]

Nope! 1) It falls apart before warranty 2) breaks into pieces a day after warranty expires! : D

[@wobblysauce]

You must have never tried tempory permanent.

[@Howardranderson]

What about the shear force it would take to break the same nails and screws?

[@dougn2350]

The spiral nails made your pull device twist. If you eliminated the twist motion the spiral nail would perform better.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you. Yes, you are right. Thank you

[@Paulman50]

Just posted this and then found you had posted it as well.

[@thegenericchen]

Came here to post this....

[@kalemercer7053]

Yep, gald PF agrees

[@JPWilsonian]

Agreed

[@Wheresthybeef]

I'd really like to see you do the same test but with toggles style anchors. In sheetrock. Single and double layer? Possibly cinder block.

[@ProjectFarm]

Great recommendation! I'll do it within the next month. Thank you!

[@patrickdyer1224]

Yeah tests like these are very fun to watch

[@nate6889]

This youtube channel is awesome. You put SO much effort into informing the average consumer. And you don't just make your videos over 10 mins for ad revenue! You need more subs.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!

[@RAZR_Channel]

I always remember galvanized having a rough matte finish... which likely contributed to their holding power

[@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming]

Almost certainly,same for the coating probably

[@fearlesscrusader]

@@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming There are two methods of making galvanized nails (and screws). Th e better way is "hot dipped", in which the nails were actually dipped in molten zinc. They were extremely rough and covered with warts, which did contributed greatly to their holding power. Nowadays it's hard to find anything but "electro-galvanized", which is merely a thin smooth coating (not unlike the "smooth candy coating" on M&M Peanuts) with relatively little holding power. I'd like to see him compare the two types.

[@jamesfair9751]

@@fearlesscrusader I work in steel industry and we now have what’s called ZAM galvanized metal and it’s not a galvanized coating but rather blended into the metal itself.

[@WarpedYT]

Test the Paslode Nail Gun Nails, they are incredibly strong after letting them set for a week. Sometimes I can't even remove them without breaking.

[@ProjectFarm]

Warped Perception, That's a terrific recommendation! By the way, I recommend your channel to everyone! I'm looking forward to your next video! Thanks again!

[@WarpedYT]

@@ProjectFarm thanks, I also recommend your channel to every gearhead I know. Your are literally bringing back the honest, raw reviews consumer reports used to do back in the 80's, it's very much needed.

[@wobblysauce]

Letting them sit/weather the wood springs back with pressure.

[@RenaxTM91]

The spiral and ribbed nails wil also be incredibly strong after sitting for a while, especially in a wet enviroment. the wood grows back into the nail and really holds it in place. I've had problems with pulling them out and had to just cut them instead...

[@jeffrutledge7277]

I would love to see how the Paslode tetraGRIP nail compares in pullout. That's the nail that Renax the man is describing above. A specialty sub-floor nail.

[@acsed2]

It would be interesting to compare the force required to remove a screw with a pre drill hole vs without a pre drill hole.

[@ProjectFarm]

Great test idea! Thank you

[@laptoper777]

I agree 100%. Practical application.

[@bespokecarpentryworks9323]

Predrilling is only to prevent the wood from splitting. Correct drill hole size won't make a noticeable difference for lateral pull.

[@richardgates7479]

Pre-drilling actually increases the surface holding area, unless the screw is self-tapping the wood fibers will split apart and there'll only be the grain in one direction touching the screw. Deck screws should have a notch in the end to make them easier to screw in, so drilling is pointless.

[@spybot5000]

A D this would be interesting while also testing self tapping vs regular screws

[@jamesthompson3486]

There's always been controversy which holds durock the best : regular galvanized Roofing nails or Durock screws. I really enjoy your videos. Im constantly referring people to your channel. Your hands down the most unbiased KZbinr out there. And I'm sure 99.9% of your audience thinks the same of you.. peace out.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Glad you enjoy!

[@802Garage]

First, fantastic video as always. I'm extremely surprised how much difference the coatings made on the nails. Watching the spiral nail segment, it made me think it might be a more accurate test to actually have the fasteners secure two pieces of wood together. Two 2X4 boards in a cross shape for example. Then test the force to pull the pieces of wood apart. That way the spiral nail couldn't rotate as easily. I don't think you need to retest or anything, as it would mostly affect spiral nail. It would also be interesting to see all the fasteners tested on harder and pressure treated wood, though obviously many are not meant for it. Standard wood screws, aluminum nails, stainless nails, and silicon bronze fasteners would all be interesting to see tested. I'm sure there is basically an endless amount of hardware you could test though. I definitely feel more informed after watching. Plus, as usual, I ended up researching related topics for a while because of the video. Thanks a lot!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you very much!

[@m1t2a1]

@@ProjectFarm Or... prevent the test jig from rotating with the spiral of the nail. The spiral nail was just 'unscrewing'

[@jnsn94]

I thought my day couldn't be better and then a saw your video

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you very much! Glad you're having a great day!

[@mickrelsor157]

Just thought of a idea for a video . High heat paints or flame proof coatings , stove paint. Wich is best on exhaust or other applications . As always love the videos keep up the great work!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for the video idea!

[@andyp3834]

Flat Black paint, because it has more surface area to cool the exhaust, at least that's my experience when rubbing my leg against my YZ250 exhaust pipe. yaaaa ouch eeee..... (p.s. I dont think the paint chemical make-up would do anything for heat dissipation unless it had liquid ceramic in it). .. . . ..

[@mickrelsor157]

@@andyp3834 I was thinking more for lasting effects but definitely that would be cool to see Wich one dicipates heat faster

[@farmerbob4554]

rick melson I’m down with that comparison. There’s a lot of misinformation on high heat paint/coatings

[@farmerbob4554]

Andy P There’s a lot of variation in heat resistant paints including thermal conductivity, emmissivity, as well as the thermal stability of the paint vehicle. There’s a lot of variation in heat stability of polymers as well as the use of inorganic vehicle. I think this could be a very interesting video. BTW, agree on flat black having high thermal dissipation rate.

[@MrPabco]

Ok, hands down, this is the best KZbin channel I have ever found. Period. Thanks for another Great video and education. Cheers.

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome!

[@wparo]

Best rubber band please

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for the video idea!

[@rnemovr59]

You know he loves a cheap review for once. Lol

[@1943vermork]

Actually those cheap transparent packaging tape 📦 could be an idea. Tensile Adhesion, shearing adhesion, tension rupture test, puncture or nick failure test, full wrap test vs side to side test. Just thinking about it open a whole Pandora box 📦 of rigging apparatus

[@pstain1]

The vagina

[@bigbomb5904]

The best one would be one that can stretch

[@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP]

I was amazed that none of the heads tore off. Imagine what a pilot hole and glue would do for the screws?

[@ProjectFarm]

Great point on the heads staying intact as well as the incredible strength gained by a pilot hole and glue!

[@ToWhom]

Does a pilot hole make a screw hold stronger? I never knew this

[@jessemurillo2810]

@@ToWhom I would imagine that having a small pilot hole (PH) wouldn't affect the structure of the wood fibers the same way just screwing it without a PH would. Since with a PH, the screw doesn't have to drill its way in. I've notice it makes a difference on hold down strength, especially when you don't want to have a screw strip out the wood.

[@itself227]

@@ProjectFarm could you test that with different glues?

[@brumby92]

@Swampy true, but its still impressive. its a bad day if your pulling out nails and the heads keep breaking off haha

[@Chualland]

Wish you had used a square cut nail just to see the difference from old-style nails. Also I would nail two 2x4 together. Then pull them apart at the wood. Showing more of a real-world stress test.

[@ProjectFarm]

Great suggestion! Thank you

[@vincentrobinette1507]

As I recall, Mythbusters did a test, and surprisingly, the square cut nail wasn't as good as a conventional round nail. I think it's because they were tapered, and just simply crushed the wood around them, or split the wood, because they simply displaced too much wood.(too fat)

[@Chualland]

@@vincentrobinette1507 I do like the idea of using a pilot hole as well to see if it makes a differences.

[@1987garrettwright]

@@ProjectFarm I agree with the pilot hole recommendation as well

[@jmarjie]

@@vincentrobinette1507 If memory servers the square cut nails needed to be driven with the grain. That way it wouldn't cut the grain.

[@RichardThePear]

This is literally the perfect channel for DIY'ers. You sir, are a scientific genius.

[@ProjectFarm]

Wow, thanks!

[@jamestaylor5995]

Great video. I learned a lot from it. I've done professional remodeling for over twenty years, and 2 1/2" star drive deck screws have become my go-to for just about everything. I can use them indoors or outdoors, and in decks to everything else. The best part about the star drive is the heads don't strip under heavy load. And they're perfect for temporary holds were you want to take things apart again. Their versatility makes them worth every penny. When I need a shorter screw, I still use drywall screws that are 1 5/8". They're cheap and short enough the heads don't strip out under load. And on small projects they have better holding power than nails. For those occasions where a hammer driven 16 (or 8) penny nail is called for, I keep coated sinkers on hand. I've always had better success with them than common nails. Finally, I still use my nail gun for basic framing projects. It's cheaper and faster than screws and they work.

[@ProjectFarm]

Great tips! Thank you!

[@jttech44]

@@ProjectFarm It'd be cool to test the spax screws in a followup video. They're a little pricer than drywall, but the self drilling and the hold seem to be top notch, and they're cheaper than those fancy "decking" screws, at least around my neck of the woods. Also probably worth mentioning that the 'decking' screws you showed are way, way overkill for decking.

[@Antonyg2100]

me too! I will never buy a philips screw head again. The star heads never strip and much easier to use

[@780brando]

spot on

[@jamestaylor5995]

@Dave Gill I said I use nails where applicable. Why ignore what I said? For many jobs the shear strength of screws is sufficient and their holding strength is the primary importance. I'm sure one can misuse star drive screws. But where I've used them, I've never had one subsequently shear off.

[@jadenfelver]

Great to know! I use the decking screws for all my projects just because of the T-25 head, head and shoulders above the phillips head of the drywall screws.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@dougmapper3306]

Same but I use square drive drywall screws. They're cheaper than the deck screws and I completely agree that phillips heads are super annoying.

[@jadenfelver]

@Derek Stairs Agreed, haven't had the opportunity to use Robertson drive but I would imagine it's solid.

[@G_Cs]

@Derek Stairs: >"Phillips ..., I don't know how they ever became a thing" Because P.L.Robertson (Canadian) refused to license the design to Henry Ford (U.S.). Mr. Ford had already discovered a time savings in production, but when Robertson declined the licensing, Ford went ahead with Phillips screws, which made them immensely popular, in spite of them not being what he wanted. In fairness to Mr. Robertson, he supposedly had just went through a significant issue with licensing the design to an English company, when the owner caused the company to fail, so he could purchase the rights they had at a reduced price, avoiding the initial license agreement. Robertson spent a small bundle to get the rights back in this total control. You can imagine his concern with licensing to Henry Ford, who already had a reputation of doing some shady business practices himself.

[@jadenfelver]

@Derek Stairs That's incredible, I'll have to order some just to test it out

[@coryb1326]

I love this channel. Your tests are always so creative and accurate. I have watched multiple videos of yours everyday for a while now. Even watched a few twice. Just found this channel a week or two ago. Awesome job man! Love it

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@orion7353]

Thank you for the absurd amount of time you spend educating many people!

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome!

[@clairemasegian7870]

I love this guy I don’t know how he doesn’t have more subscribers. He gets to the point and explains a lot.

[@waltp3373]

Holy crap, you went through a lot of work to do these tests. Kudos to you, man!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@MPjustaman]

I would have never known, but NOW I do. Thank you SO MUCH for all your testing.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@davidquirk8097]

A good piece of investigative testing. Decent sample size for a short video and no unsupported conclusions. Great job!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@KhromeXx]

Oh my God!! Companies hate you 😂😂😂😂 I love this channel

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you very much!

[@haledmondson2756]

I think by allowing the spiral galvanized nail to spin you allowed it to lose a lot of holding power...Hal

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the constructive feedback.

[@MrAlexthecrazy]

agreed

[@loganpenrod5779]

Agreed

[@terryfisher9645]

Agreed...

[@nicholas8479]

Probably true, but what would normally prevent rotation in the field?

[@benmurphy2808]

I've been in the construction and building random things industry my whole life. Turns out, for the last twenty years or so I've been ignorant. I sure learned a lot with this video! Thanks, and keep them coming!

[@D2G10]

imagine this guy building something for you

[@kitpalencar5165]

I love these videos so much. I watch them while I go to sleep because your delivery of information, technical data, and comparisons just make me feel so calm.

[@ProjectFarm]

Wow, thank you!

[@kitpalencar5165]

@@ProjectFarm thank you for replying!! Was not expecting it at all, just like those deck screws holding 1200 pounds!

[@aatos8522]

Great vide as always, good job dude! Still curiously waiting for the Hand cleaner comparison! PLEASE CREATE IT SOON!

[@ProjectFarm]

Great recommendation! Thank you

[@ox6942]

I use Dawn dish soap and a brillo pad. Works every time and cheap too.

[@ox6942]

@Rick Sanchez lol Yer right about that one. Sometimes I forget how I am and how the rest of the world seems to be. I'm quite "not normal" compared to them. What was normal 30 years ago isn't even thought of today...

[@InterestingEndeavors]

Engine degreaser does wonders. Rinses off with water.

[@3113jp]

Would LOVE to see how Harbor Freight drill bits last compared to name brands. My HF bits are good for a half dozen holes and then dull. great that you have more selection to continue the job.

[@ProjectFarm]

Great video idea!

[@BradleyTurmel]

I bet the type of bit worth affect the results a lot. A Robertson bit is probably a lot stronger than a Phillips, for example

[@JordanPayneLV]

Weld strength comparisons. Spot weld, tack weld, beaded weld, from a stick from a spool etc

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for the video idea!

[@corysavage609]

@@ProjectFarm I would love to see a video like that as well please and thank-you!

[@a2exxhd671]

is more complicated ,depends on the type of gas used ,or wire ,what type of metal

[@alex-sd]

This was amazing. It gives me the confidence in putting 1.5" screws into a stud to hold up some resistance band anchors without fear of it breaking loose. You should get some sort of award for this.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@generalrepair8731]

PF. I Always look forward to a Video from project farm on lousy Mondays back to work 😤😩 ! General repair

[@ProjectFarm]

General Repair, Thank you very much! Hope all is well. Best regards, PF

[@ronmason4306]

Very good video! I felt the spiral shank may do much better in a real life use situation. The single nail was allowed to spin in the test. I feel like the pulling force of two boards nailed together with a spiral shank would be much greater since the first board would keep the nail from spinning. Pulling a spiral straight from the wood without it turning seems like a very strong nail. Any thoughts?

[@mikeappleby5687]

Why would the upper board stop the nail from spinning? The nail was driven through that board the same as it was into the lower board. Both have a spiral path carved through them, and the nail will follow that spiral path on its way out.

[@andreasbingkilvr6662]

​@@mikeappleby5687"The upper board" would not spin because you would put at least 2 nails in it, unlike in this test, where one can clearly see the upper part of the testing-apparatus twisting the singel nail out, along with it's pulling power. For a better testing methodology (for that spiral nail specifically) it would be better to have something block the twisting motion on that puller. Maybe som vertical bars, stopping the lateral motion.

[@independentnature295]

You could make the same argument that the deck screws would do better also then...

[@johnlemay8774]

Last week I watched your tutorial about synthetic motor oil and it was very educational... thank you I enjoy your tutorials

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@AwkwardTurtle_]

I don't know how I found your channel, or how often I'll need to use any of the products in these comparison videos, but I'll be damned if these videos aren't entertaining and fascinating. Keep up the good videos, man. They're a great watch!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks, will do.

[@gregoryv.zimansr4031]

An old carpenter once told me that rusty nails were the best for framing houses. Was he right? Thanks for All your great videos and please keep them coming.

[@bytheseaaspirinshop801]

Yep!

[@ninjamaster3453]

But the old timer didn't have a framing gun.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for the video idea!

[@ryaneckert8079]

Take it a step further and rust the nails after its in the board.

[@boondocker7964]

Good thing I keep the old nails and screws from the stuff I take apart, from time to time I get to re-use them. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.

[@defaultzenabled4261]

*Which work glove is best for wear and tear*

[@ProjectFarm]

Great video idea! Thank you

[@thehoff3189]

I second this, various skins, materials!

[@defaultzenabled4261]

@@thehoff3189 well i think its a good idea. I do a lot of work and gloves are needed if you dont want your hands sliced apart from moving heavy materials. Gloves dont last more then an hour where i work i have tried all kinds. Right now i just use some sort of wrap material that atleast last a day or so

[@kfin45]

I've been using pvc for the past year. Been really impressed

[@danielhallock4009]

Testing of wear and tear is a must, but I also need water resistance.

[@fat1234568]

I find it amazing and hard to imagine that literally a single nail could support the weight of a grown person, and five screws could hold up a car!

[@ProjectFarm]

Great point. Thank you!

[@SeaCowsBeatLobsters]

Huge nail or copper hammer?

[@bestamerica]

hi K M... ' depend on car model and weight is a equal 5 screws... try ask adam and jamie as mythbuster

[@vkws828]

Stimpy&Ren if that wood is called native wood; it is all but impossible to put nails in it

[@tahltan1910]

Unbelievable difference among the nails and screws, thank you!

[@alxndrassies]

With metric units as well, much appreciated! And thanks for the proper testing!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@buzzbbird]

Ooo, so sorry, your pulling of the spiral shank, ardox, they need to be tested without the twist being allowed to unwind. they do offer HUGE resistance when not allowed to unwind.

[@hotfudgemoney]

The people saying that the nails are going to be allowed to unwind in a real world scenario don't know how to frame a deck.

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

Spot on. The spiral nail's holding power is achieved when it is driven through two thicknesses of wood. The spiral prevents the two pieces of wood from separating. If you've ever demo'd a deck or dock assembled with these, you'll know their joins are almost as difficult as screws to pry apart.

[@buzzbbird]

@@hotfudgemoney correct. I hope you understood that i was saying the TEST was without value in measuring holding power because it was twisting when coming out. In real world use, ardox nails are a bugger to pull out because they do not unwind.

[@betsypwnsyou]

Agreed I have just recently pulled some from a deck and they have some serious holding strength

[@therising1]

I understand the physical property you are talking about, but is the pull force much greater than the galvanized nail? How much MORE force could be used? As he said in the video, used in a hardwood (as they're designed for) they'd probably take much more force. Very interested in the pull force required in a test with two pieces of wood!

[@thedyingtitan1247]

Can you do what’s the best type of faster head? Flat, Torx, Robertson, Phillips, Allen, Hex or Square, what’s the most likely to strip, cam out, what’s best after lengthy periods of corrosion?

[@thedyingtitan1247]

@@ItsMrAssholeToYou No they aren't im talking hex head found on a bolt, the inverse to an allen, the same way a square head is an inverse to a Robertson.

[@thedyingtitan1247]

@@ItsMrAssholeToYou i was just trying to cover all my bases, and square heads are a tad odd ball but im curious to see how they actually do

[@Skyfighter64]

All I can tell you is that Triwing screws are the absolute worst...

[@thedyingtitan1247]

@@Skyfighter64 never had anything to do with them, but might as well add them to the suggestion list along with the 5 point secuirty torx, and 12 point bolt heads

[@bytheseaaspirinshop801]

torx

[@jamesfair9751]

Going back watching these older vids of yours. I have to say this opening statement completely describes every one of your vids. If it’s worth doing it’s worth doing right and you do every test right. If anyone sees this that is not subscribed don’t think any longer hit that bell you will be amazed with the amount of information you get from this channel

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing!

[@Sp3ctralJ]

I love how exact and perfect he is to get the best results when it comes to his videos

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@InBoostWeTrust7MGTE]

so in theory 4 screws would be enough to hang a car in the ceiling. good to know.

[@sigmasquadleader]

With almost no dynamic load change. Gonna want 5 screws.

[@serbianspaceforce6873]

so to be safe use 6

[@moni_dt]

Yea but remember, especially deck screws lost grip because the wood couldn't handle the force. If your ceiling material is strong enough, you can hang 4 cars with 1 screw.

[@bigbomb5904]

I wonder how many nails would you go through to make it go through metal

[@raychauvette1467]

@@moni_dt careful you don't get a lawsuit🤣🤣

[@mattschamel6550]

Absolutely one of the most valuable videos I've ever watched in my life. Thank you very much for your efforts.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@mickstermouseter7059]

This is a great test! 52 years ago, I helped build a 24ft by 24ft pole shed that was 20 ft tall. During the past 52 years, that shed has had rushing water from an overflowing stream with some seriously strong rushing water that was at least 10ft tall against one side a minimum of 5 times every summer. The shed is still there and still looks great! It is very solid. The poles were buried 4ft deep and were coated 8" x 8" square poles. Every nail, except the roofing nails were uncoated ring shank nails that were 6" long.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for sharing.

[@michaelclarke9488]

Great comparison. I think another good comparison would be to test the holding power of different types of threaded inserts for wood. I’ve always been curious as to what the holding power they posses.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much! Thanks for the video idea.

[@stark_energy]

Thanks for the test! I would recommend a testing of screws for concrete wall (typical home wall), it is quite useful for many home people as they usually put something on their home wall using screws... It can be a lateral test or shear test...

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank You for the constructive feedback!

[@leslietroy2869]

The spiral shank wasn't tested right because he allowed the fixture to turn. In a real application, the parts joined would not be able to turn.

[@dannyhowarth1728]

Was thinking the same

[@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming]

And equally, most nails should be hammered at an angle on framing to have the attached piece naturally get pulled inward by the forces exerted on it based on the angle of the nails entry

[@natashagk7877]

I agree and was going to say something if someone hadn't. I was removing spiral nails from pallets for repurposing and holy mother of pearl those things are beasts.

[@CJBanks-nc5re]

I agree that the spiral galvanized nail would have held much better if the pulling jig had not been allowed to twist. I also agree that when framing with 16d cement coated sinkers that are 3 and 1/2 inches long and when you drive them fully through to attach one 2x? to another you would have a full 2 inches embedded into the receiving 2x?, or as you stated they would be driven at an angle to maximize their holding strength. Another point to take into consideration is the grain structure of the wood the nail is being driven into that would greatly affect its holding strength.

[@johnperkins630]

look at load calculations. This is what he does not do. Beams can not be built with screws because of shear strength. Bend a screw over and it breaks. Nails bend and have to be bent back and forth several times before even thinking about breaking. Screws have great power in one direction and zero strength in the other. Nail have strength in both. Beams built with screws will fail and no insurance in the work would pay for it. I am a contractor and have to deal with load calculations daily. screws have thier place but you can not say they are better than nails. Each has their place and function in which they exceed expectations. I could redo these tests with variations and make it so you never want to use screws again. He needs to get his facts straight before causing someone to use the wrong tool for the job.

[@GreenChronicles561]

For tradesman, this is the best fuckin channel on KZbin, hands DOWN! No guessing about what’s the best! If I have any doubts about what’s best, or strongest material to get for a job, here is just cold hard provided proof. You’re amazing dude. . Thanks for your dedication to this channel!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks and you are welcome!

[@ethanmargolis1875]

Best channel on KZbin by far. Thank you for making these. Would love to see a video on car batteries.

[@ProjectFarm]

Great video idea! Thank you

[@merlingrim2843]

Yep ... it takes more time, but I use structural deck screws for all my construction framing projects. It has the added benefit when working with young workers because it’s much much easier and cheaper to undo mistakes 😎

[@DrTofutybeast]

... and replace crappy boards etc

[@animalmother556x45]

It's crazy to think that you could, in theory, hang a small car from 3 deck screws...in soft wood. I'd love to see how much force a deck screw could take in a hardwood.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you

[@h8GW]

Not really related, but I just want to add I'm starting to use "hypothetically" in place of "in theory" because of how many Goddang idiots out there trash the Theory of Relativity or Quantum Theory because they're "just theories" and it would be so gratifying to take that argument away from them.

[@rustyicepick8462]

Less talk, more information. Some hosts can't get their ego out of the way. You are exceptional in that regard.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@coreyfrasnelly7364]

I will never go back to a Phillips headed screw....torx tip is the greatest thing since sliced bread and a shirt with a pocket 👍🏻

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@gaybruce]

i heard once that philips head screws were invented for building airplanes because they cam out once they reach a certain torque. if true, that’s a plain reason to not use philips headed screws for construction.

[@dscrive]

Give square drive aka robertsons a try. When I'm in a place I can't get torx I can usually get robertsons, in my opinion they are almost as good as torx in my opinion.

[@Wooble57]

@@gaybruce phillips were designed to cam out, which is why there's several takes on the design (JIC and pozidrive), Personally I like robertson, but because of poor business choices, it's not that popular in other parts of the work

[@michaelblacktree]

IMO, the only thing worse than a Philips head is a slotted head. I'll take Torx, Robertson, Allen, or hex head screws any day.

[@goaheadmakeourdayscooterpe9644]

The time and effort you put in all your tests Sir always impresses me , and I'm not impressed easily, GREAT JOB as always. Would love to see Project Farm hats for sale ,I think they'd be a hit.

[@ProjectFarm]

Great suggestion for the hats! I think they would be too.

[@jeepcollector91]

I'm curious how much side load each can handle before they bend, break, or pull loose.

[@ProjectFarm]

Terrific point! I need to test this. Thank you

[@jeepcollector91]

@@ProjectFarm I think the nail will bend then pull loose and the screw will bend then break off.

[@gaybruce]

as a carpenter, i’m much more concerned with sheer strength. i’d love to see this test.

[@Wooble57]

@@gaybruce while i'd also love to see it tested, I can say form experience that screws are terrible at shear forces compared to nails, which is why they aren't used structurally when framing houses

[@gaybruce]

animefreak5757 i agree. i know the nails would outperform the screws, but to what extent? i always frame with nails, but screws have their place, obviously.

[@stealthg35infiniti94]

Here in hurricane prone Florida, I replaced the cheap staple gun nails on my wooden privacy fence with deck screws...After watching your testing, I feel very good at the results of my hard work...Thank You...

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome!

[@peterpowers4851]

From now on, deck screws for everything!

[@dscrive]

I've been doing that for years. .. mostly because they don't make cabinet screws in star drive :P

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@wolfpack4128]

Same here. Only time I use nails is when I'm framing something that will never have much of a load. My thought process is the wood should turn to dust before the fasteners fail.

[@imthemistermaster]

@@wolfpack4128 I'm not sure if this is true with deck screws, but nails usually have stronger sheer strength, and are better suited for applications like framing because of it.

[@phillhuddleston9445]

I hope you have a pile of money for them :)

[@3521Rookie]

Damn, you nail and screw fast!

[@ox6942]

That's what SHE said...

[@jacksonrae2785]

In general the way I remember which to use goes like this: Nails bend, Screws snap.

[@w49660]

I was told drywall screws are designed to snap off so that if they won't go in fully because they hit something, they will snap off and not damage the drywall.

[@stevelovesgod]

thats because screws are made of hard metal and nails of soft metal... So hard metals have much higher strength, but it breaks when it fails. Where as Soft metal will Bend. Think of a Cast Iron Pan vs a Spoon as far as types of metal. You'd prefer a spoon to be soft metal so it doesn't break off when eating., Where as a frying pan, you'd prefer hard metal for when you'd drop it, it won't have a permanent Dent in the metal deforming it.... Application

[@dymytryruban4324]

@@stevelovesgod Just last Friday I had a broken skid at work. It had a lot of 1.25" long screws so I decided to recover them. Half of them turned out to be bent, circa 30% snapped and the rest usable so things aren't always so predictable. Another reason why screws snap is a lot of stress risers on their threaded section.

[@NoirTech83]

So glad I used both deck screws and galvanized nails while building my storage shed.

[@jordans6146]

Who needs trades college when you got project farm!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you very much!

[@skuula]

Supplement that with AvE.

[@Matthew-of3xv]

The screw nail shouldnt have been allowed to twist out. it was rotating the equipment. IMHO

[@kneewall49]

I agree, your deck is not going to twist off the joists? Try this test again and stop the puller turning. I suspect it will perform much better.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@sanantonioscum1205]

@@ProjectFarm i would like to see how it would hold up if you were to not let the puller turn. could you do a follow up with those results?

[@incandescentwithrage]

It would be interesting to find out. I suspect that the screw nail does not actually twist cleanly all the way down, through two pieces of timber, as you seem to suggest.. when first hammered in. Essentially making the same situation as an undersized both in a tapped hole. Only a test would confirm.

[@shawncobb8730]

I agree

[@hakrj12]

Please test locks. Padlock vs Combination for strength, different brands and under different circumstances ex. deep freeze/high heat

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for the video idea!

[@moronbrother1]

Look up the LockPicking Lawyer... You'll find a lot of the info pertinent. You really only need to know about the Security of the locks and he tells about different types of attacks on locks.

[@Mostlyharmless1985]

if the brand name starts with M, or it costs less than 150 dollars, its about as secure as a polite note asking to not steal your stuff.

[@hakrj12]

Checked out that Lockpicking Lawyer ... Pretty cool stuff. Watched about 10 videos. Not sure I'll watch all 950 back episodes but I subscribed and will watch as they come out. Thanks for the recommendation guys.

[@TKCL]

Excellent test, thank you. About to build a home and think I'm going to pay extra for galvanized nails to frame with. Impressive!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@Alex-je6od]

16 penny. Also i've heard screws have a much lower sheer force vs nails (which bend and flex better in structural situations)

[@rverro8478]

Indeed. You can bend a nail back and forth many times before it snaps in half but, if you bend a screw, it will snap right away.

[@rjcoady21]

that's due to the hardness of the screw. which is designed that way. a hardened nail wood shatter and a soft screw wood twist. wood

[@mandrell211]

🤩

[@cryptonein]

Would love to see a video on this topic!

[@tullgutten]

yes BUT the screw will hold it tight for as much higher load preventing anything to move or bend so it may still be superior

[@zebra9569]

Respect for using the most engineered pen ever made. Fisher space pen.

[@ProjectFarm]

lol. Thank you!

[@wesleythemiller9883]

@@connerwhited6846 and then you get graphite dust in your electronics :)

[@iceman49bg]

NEXT screw/nail video: PLEASE do shear force :)

[@ProjectFarm]

Great test idea! Thank you

[@pizzaguy3753]

Deck screws are incredibly strong - I drilled 8 into a tree trunk and made a salmon ladder, and it works just fine even being able to hold both me and my brother up. So naturally, deck screws are my go-to for strength. Great video!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!

[@mikecunningham3423]

You should of also tested the shear Force of the fasteners or at least explained screws are strong in tension but not so strong in shear. The last thing we need is some do it yourselfer putting a 2 story deck together with deck or drywall screws

[@bradr1428]

I was thinking this throughout the whole video. He is testing a screw in its designed pulling direction. Screws are meant for pulling power, not shear, nails are meant for shear not pulling power in the method you were testing. Of course they would perform less, but in the spirit of the video, it is the loads they would do. Should do a shear video.

[@Newzchspy]

Brad R versus a 1 story that requires holding strength versus shear??

[@ucitymetalhead]

So what are deck screws for if not building a deck?

[@gerardocorrea3904]

In the spiral shape nail test, to be fair; the pulling force should be straight. The jig is "unscrewing" the nails

[@akawireguy1197]

I read the replies to see if someone else made that point. The spiral shaped nails weren't pulling out they were threading out.

[@markgriz]

Absolutely. In real world use, the decking the nail is penetrating would prevent the rotation. Would be nice to see this test repeated so the nail doesn't rotate.

[@GWRus77]

The spiral nails also appeared a bit smaller in diameter so naturally there would have been less compressive force from the wood on the nail. At least he acknowledged that they were designed for more dense wood.

[@bespokecarpentryworks9323]

Yes!! Agreed. Ardox nails are a prick to pull out. He lost me on that one too.

[@mileshoffhines1945]

You're right. I know from pulling them out with a hammer those spiral nails are a lot harder to pull out straight.

[@TheCarDemotic]

Never realized how strong screws & nails were I just came by clicking random things in my recommended

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@TheCarDemotic]

I subbed because this sort of stuff is interesting. Recently I’ve been watching stuff testing out stuff like this, Videos on Locks (The Lock Picking Lawyer), and Stuff on mousetraps (Shawn Woods).

[@noahgabriel3075]

this guy is a LEGEND, so many classic questions answered on this channel

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!