DO NOT BUY A 392 Or SCATPACK For These Reasons |Are Dodge Challenger & Charger Scatpacks Worth It?

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Are the 392 HEMI platforms worth it? How Much Does It Cost To Build? Is buying a HELLCAT better than a scatpack for daily drivability and driving fast? WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH A 392 SCATPACK?
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[@willpatscully]

When I can do smoky burnouts, 0-60 in 5 seconds, and speed along at more than 130 mph in a car that weighs 4400 pounds (+275 pounds for the driver), I don't really need any extra power out of it. I did like your video. It's always interesting to see what other people want out of their ScatPacks. It always brings a smile to my face when I drive it.

[@Toro704]

Exactly man!!!

[@buzzz6.4]

Agreed man. I’m not running at the track. I love my scat I know it’s not the fastest or the best but I love it. I love the hellcat whine but I can’t justify the extra expenses associated with it. I didn’t buy it to race. It’s fast enough for me.

[@josephroy4132]

Amen

[@FloridaTingz]

I went 170 in mine shit was crazy

[@shanephelan75]

Lose some weight, gain some power .... LoL. Just a joke, I agree these cars are way overpowered, a Toyota Prius can drive you to from work, these are awesome cars

[@TheDodgeboy87]

I dunno I’ve seen these 392 go beyond 100,000 miles with no issues…. I own one. Completely stock and it’s been a damn good car so far.

[@Toro704]

Crazy part is I’ve seen it rarely honesty but I’m glad to hear there’s more out there

[@SRTHEMI]

Lol damn lie you rarely see 392 high mileage. Only here and there you see them up in milage. Now the 6.1 yes you see them very high mileage all the time its a GREAT engine!

[@jerryloo416]

year?

[@corruption1724]

My bro in law has a used 6 speed with 110000 miles on it. Still runs just as strong as my 19 scat with the automatic. No issues on the oil samples either so these motors are solid and will run damn near forever in stock form. The reason you don't see this very often is because these cars often end up in the junkyard wrecked long before 100k miles.

[@corruption1724]

@@SRTHEMI Wrong. Too many morons put these cars into the junkyard long before 100k is the reason you don't ever see a high milage 392 or hellcat.

[@anytimeanywhere1974]

Why does anybody have to compete for anything... Just enjoy the car and appreciate what you have for what it is, brother... I'm on my 4th Challenger, a 2021 Go Mango WBSP. I've been in love with these cars ever since they started making them in 2009. Are there gonna be faster cars out there?.... Of course!!! But I would buy my car over any faster Tesla, Mustang or Camaro any day of the week and twice on Sunday! Feeling lucky and blessed to be able to own one of these Beasts! 🏁👍

[@Toro704]

Oh for sure I love my car 100% but I think I fell in love with going fast for sure!!

[@runyo24staycommitted46]

Bro go mango 22 out here #runyo24

[@evanalden2117]

Dude same i traded in my v6 challenger for a 21 scat and man payments suck but id do it again tomorrow lol

[@thcbhris8010]

Nah seriously bro

[@greatestwithin3700]

You must be as sad as me rn to see that garbage ev “muscle”

[@StockCarGuy]

90%-99% of us don’t need nor should be anywhere near a hellcat, if u not a racer or u dont plan on using 700hp 99% of the time, do not get one, a rt or scat pack is really more than enough for just about anyone, its a nearly 500hp n/a that’s plenty fast.

[@Toro704]

That’s true but where I’m at in life I need fast lol

[@jeremiahgoss3144]

I have a 2019 scat...I dont race it..im confused why someone would need more power..unless racing

[@Toro704]

@@jeremiahgoss3144 some people like the thrill

[@cgkuch4184]

The Scatpack is your best bang for your buck. The car is like an amusement ride every time I drive it. The car is timeless. The hellcat is a beauty but too powerful for the streets.

[@jeremyswalley8625]

Nah!! Mustang Mach 1 !!

[@jeremyswalley8625]

I’m in complete agreement with over 500 horsepower really doesn’t need to be out on public streets!! What’s the point really?? Absolutely none!! To roast already expensive tires and burn up ridiculously priced gas!!

[@user-ex9zm7bg3x]

@@jeremyswalley8625 sounds like an enjoyable afternoon

[@srtdad]

Great informative video! Looking forward to building my 6.1 hemi 🔥🙏🏼💯

[@Toro704]

Appreciate it my man

[@breakyoself4423]

Good video great content and information, keep up the good work

[@swiftharris1]

I love my 392, As is. Its fast enough but exterior mods make it look even Faster.

[@Toro704]

Facts man I loved mine but I’m just ready for something different

[@swiftharris1]

@@Toro704 as for me I see no substitute, before this I had a 750i M package with a little hike behind the engine twin-turbo V8 2010 , after a hundred and $3,000 I experienced those payments, and that thing would take off fast enough this 392 is more powerful

[@samanosukeakechi4388]

I like my stock 392 as well, just as is. Just bought some window louvers to add 45 hp 🌶

[@randysmith9636]

Seriously, the 392 platform is exactly "what you see is what you get". It was not designed to be a engine to build upon. The engine is extremely efficient as built. The 6.4 with 485 hp was attained from getting the most out of the parts and pieces used from the factory. It was not designed like some of the other manufacturers offerings. Having somewhat Lower hp from the factory but by using aftermarket parts you can easily increase the power output. If you want big numbers Dodge has you covered with a factory upgrade that has been the gold standard since its inception. Yes you can build the 6.4 to deliver some serious power (like 485 isn't pretty dang serious) but it is definitely not worth it from a $$$ standpoint. For the money spent you could have a Hellcat with more HP, better Transmission, stronger rearend, etc just as the factory designed it to be.

[@Toro704]

You hit the nail in the head for sure!!!

[@tristonm5246]

Hellcats are way more expensive now days tho

[@Toro704]

@@tristonm5246 that’s true🤷‍♂️

[@tristonm5246]

@@Toro704 yea I’m just gonna get me a scat pack widebody and be happy with that because v8s are all gonna be gone and the huge 6.4 L engine I’ve grown to love over the 6.2L and respect way more

[@Ramblequist]

@@tristonm5246 Only thing I could do with a Hellcat vs a Scat Pack is Flex.. I'll use the $20K saved for gasoline. Heck, a 5.7 has plenty of power..

[@shanemenard6057]

2016 Scat Pack OEM engine. No complaints at all. Pushing 130 MPH at the half mile mark. Had it up to 156 mph before getting close to end of the runway. I've driven my car all over the the Southern US including down to Key West and back to New Mexico. I just went over 139k miles and still running smooth. I call that pretty reliable. When you start trying to make the car into more than what it is, that's when problems happen. Send people my way when they want to hear reports on the longevity of the 392 engine when properly cared for.

[@jayirv9733]

Hey Bro, What some of the things I can do for longevity???

[@williamfield8576]

I drive a 2020 scat daily. 55000 miles and no issues. Great car.

[@jerrybowman5546]

Awesome video. You answered a lot of my concerns

[@Toro704]

🙌🙌

[@SlickRickX864]

Awesome video bro. I got my 2021 1320 about 3 weeks ago. It is awesome the way it comes in my opinion, I love my 1320.

[@Toro704]

For sure man I love it!

[@HowardJrFord]

Whoever told you that the 392 has weak ring lands is full of crap . That only applies to the 03 - 08 5.7 engines . The 392 has decent pistons , along with very strong , beefy forged rods and a strong forged crank . In stock form the 392 heads flow a whopping 328 cfm on the intake side . That makes for roughly 660hp potential naturally aspirated . I have a mild , carbureted 392 crate engine in my 70 GTX that runs 12 's with 3.55 gears and a torqueflite . The heads and short block are bone stock .

[@Toro704]

Hmmmm I wonder 🤷‍♂️ I mean I have a very well known shop basically giving me info

[@HowardJrFord]

@@Toro704 did they also tell you that they are called " ring landings ", which is what you kept calling them ?

[@norristammislideshowmulgre877]

The 1970 GTX is a badass car. I had the 1970 Plymouth Satellite 383 number matching car. Like a idiot I sold it back in the 1980s my favorite car and I still kick myself in the ass for selling it.

[@joshuatracy4829]

Big difference between 70 motor and 2000s

[@Demonjr.1320]

I own a 2019 1320 and put $5,800 in engine and a 3200 converter . Did MMX ported throttlebody and intake manifold with Titan 2 cam with Johnson Lifters and longtubes and is a handful ! It gives a stock hellcat a great race! Going E85 at the moment

[@Toro704]

For sure!!!

[@123MrPker]

How's your E85?

[@Toro704]

So I run e85 and it’s great you just have to test Everytime never trust a pump

[@Demonjr.1320]

@@123MrPker I’m the spring I’m going e85

[@RoyalViking465]

Awesome vid and your car is 🔥 Looking forward to following your build.

[@Toro704]

Appreciate you!!

[@mr.300c]

Excellent video! Spot on! People to need to factor all these perspectives! 🎯

[@Toro704]

🙌🙌

[@dontaybreadgangtv5305]

This is why I went with the 5.7, it’s closer to the DragPak which Is the 5.8 it handles boost amazingly and it’s lighter then a 392. The crank can handle 650 HP without forged internals

[@TheSPORTS504]

Sure

[@pauls.4860]

Actually the DragPak is a 5.8 not 5.6.

[@KeleoProd]

I went with the pickup version of the 5.7 My Ram is holding up nice. I love it..

[@julshall8604]

Exactly and scat guys hate when you mention that

[@EpicCoolGuy21]

@@julshall8604 As someone who’s owned both before, there is no comparing a 5.7 to a 6.4. I was satisfied with a RT cuz I knew what to expect and limited my expectations, but when I moved to the Scat Pack, I noticed the world of difference 115 HP makes.

[@CJColvin]

My dad has a 2019 Dodge Charger RT Scat Pack with the 392 Hemi V8 in it and its a beast.

[@4211michael]

I love mine ! I have a Charger 392 Hemi in my Mango and I blacked out the rear mirrors, added rain guards on ask windows, graphics and it really pops now ! 1 day, I'll get the Demon but until then, I have 0 problems 😊

[@Toro704]

Man I tell you what I love the fact people love their 392 and I love the orange color!

[@4211michael]

@@Toro704, if I could put pictures on here, I'll show ya what I did

[@MLProductions.1]

Wide rears is the first mod anyone should do. You'll actually be able to launch in that mid/High 3 second 0-60

[@justincogdill7335]

3.8 on stock tires in the 1320 package since it's got the drag pack and usually has the passenger and rear seats removed. I'm prolly gonna remove my rears but keep my passenger

[@1970jstone]

As a Mustang driver, I really appreciate your analysis. Even as heavy as the challenger is, I respect its power. Nice video brother. Beautiful engine dress-up. Keep it up.

[@Toro704]

Appreciate it my man I love a good Shelby 500 TRUST Me if I had extra money for a fun car that would be it!

[@WoodLox]

Thanks for your honesty. Internal failure of romping on any engine will shorten its lifespan. You can squeeze close to 100hp out of V8 and of done right it will give you factory reliability. Many drivetrains are not meant winding at wot and rev limiter. Honda’s are fast and peppy but if you beat on one at 30k there is blow by. My experience from owning hundreds.

[@Toro704]

Ahhhh see I like this comment it’s true though you beat on a car it’s bound to have issues

[@Top_g80comp]

Fantastic video 💯🤘🏼

[@dilippatel3268]

excellent video

[@dr.gregmarco6241]

Love the vehicle, beautiful! Because this type of engine is naturally aspirated, it’s not cost effective IMO to try and add to it. Even the HELLCAT needs to have a supercharger in order to make the power output that it does.

[@lylereinier4989]

The 392 is not a worthless engine, far from it.

[@Toro704]

I mean for building purposes it’s tough

[@michaelbenardo5695]

Some people just hate performance.

[@kenyonjhill]

Glad you made this vid regardless of someone personally open about this car

[@astonward339]

Solid video. Appreciate the information. Had a cammed Magnum SRT and sold it. Was thinking about a SCAT.

[@Toro704]

Ohhhh I like a hood magnum

[@scatman1907]

Dude I just got my scat and I can’t be happier

[@Toro704]

I had my phase but now I’ve driven some crazy fast cars and it’s hard to get back in my 1320 sometimes

[@earlhall430]

I am so happy that I can put my own motors together!!!

[@Toro704]

All about time and money balance for sure!!

[@stevehill150]

Nice video! I’me ordering a Skat Pack Widebody and I’m so glad that I watched it. It’s in my budget and what I can afford right now (my options are purely performance). No comfort upgrades. I’ve had thought of building, but this video makes so much amazing/true statements. I’ll throwing on a K&N and throttle spacer, but I’m done. Going to lower it 2”, put the high end OEM rims on it, and add some tint. I’ll move ahead cautiously moving forward. Thanks for the heads up

[@scarys2205]

Love the paint job is that plasti dipped,?

[@Toro704]

It’s a wrap

[@AK.__]

It's amazing daily driver. The Challenger less, being 2 doors, but the Charger it is. Powerful full size sedan, 4 doors, roomy trunk. Perfect family car and cruiser for city and highway. (without mentioning that it more powerful than 95% of cars around)

[@Toro704]

I do think it’s a great daily driver for sure

[@Oliver-ft2fq]

More like 90% lol. When compared to cars in it’s class . The Scat is the slowest of the bunch.

[@Kc2Heatz]

i had a 2013 srt8 and never had a problem ever. love that car. all the way to 100k miles

[@Toro704]

100k that’s great!!

[@Kc2Heatz]

i sold it for 23k to a dealership for with 100k on it.

[@Toro704]

That’s wild!!

[@BIGGUYLIK]

my brooooo, man you got me thinking now lol done opened my eyes all the way up might go a different route lol

[@Toro704]

Bro listen it’s cool to daily drive and all that but if you want to go fast go hellcat or a car that has a power adder from factory best money you can spend and save for🤷‍♂️ used ain’t always a bad thing

[@BIGGUYLIK]

@@Toro704 facts , thats the route ima go is an Cat shit might as well lol

[@e46m54nissansr20937]

Chargers and Challenger 6.4l isn't my style but i definitely respect it for being as heavy as it is and providing fun performance on your everyday commute as well as being comfortable and having road presence.

[@rothsamphors7377]

Engine reliability mostly depends on how you drive and maintenance. All car engines tend to have their own issues. I believe most 5.7’s and 6.4’s issues are related to mds.

[@nativeoutdoors1780]

And the cams flatten if idled too long, unfortunately there are issues with many of these lighter duty v8s, the heavier duty v8s from Chevy and Ford hold up great, dodge unfortunately keeps the same across the line up

[@pressendforspanish]

You can't use 700 plus hp on an unprepared surface. A Hellcat is only marginally faster than a 392 on the street. Depending on driver and tires a 392 often beats a Hellcat.

[@Toro704]

Well I beat hellcats at the track but I think building a already power added car would be fun

[@adamdavis2760]

The Scatpack also has the 309 gearing which makes it more tourqey on the low end as apposed to the Hellcats 262, but your right with a set of 305's putting power to the ground the 392 can stay with a Hellcat on the street

[@406MenaceRacecar]

I can't wait to see the scats and cats in my old shitbox Chevy pickup.

[@Oliver-ft2fq]

Lol Hellcats destroy Scats on a street roll so hopefully we’re talking about digs.

[@jeremyswalley8625]

The matte finish and under the hood is really nice!!

[@angelrios6019]

i just notice you said my name here hehehe thanks brother hahaha

[@clints8731]

The 392 is a great engine. I like mine. Can't really afford to mod it. But that's fine. I just enjoy it for what it is. It will be a sad day when ai eventually sell it.

[@Toro704]

I feel that!!

[@michaelbenardo5695]

Who says you have to sell it? To hell with "keeping up with the Jones". Do what YOU want.

[@DF-ee8vt]

In the original era of muscle cars, it would've been unusual to see a street car with more than 300 HP. From the factory, this car exceeds it's intended purpose.

[@corruption1724]

Exactly, just because the bar has been raised by the hellcst doesn't mean the 392 isn't a beast still. I mean horsepower is horsepower. I love my 392 and am thankful to be alive right now to be able to get one. Thank goodness this isn't the 80s with 120hp restricted cars.

[@michaelbenardo5695]

You must not have been there then. The first-year GTO had a MINIMUM of 325 horsepower. The first year Olds 442, with a 330 V8, had a minimum of 310 horsepower, with higher compression, 320 horsepower. The first true Muscle Car Chevy, the 65 Chevelle SS396, had 375 horsepower. The 66 Buick Skylark GS, 325 horsepower. Even the second year of the very first car with muscles, the 56 Chrysler 300B, had 340 horsepower standard, 355 horses option, and the 56 DeSoto Adventurer had 320 horsepower.

[@michaelbenardo5695]

@@corruption1724 As heavy as the Challenger is, it is really more like the muscle-type cars - lower case - of the 50s like the Chrysler 300, than the Muscle Cars of the 60s - upper case - none of which were over 3,700 lbs. The Challenger is well over 4,000 lbs, just like the Chrysler 300 and the DeSoto Adventurer.

[@DF-ee8vt]

@@michaelbenardo5695 Thanks for all those stats. My point was that a street muscle car today commonly has numbers in the 500-1000 range.

[@Jay-tt3px]

@@michaelbenardo5695 and Dodge was infamous for down playing the amount of power the engine produced. You’re absolutely correct

[@seandingle58]

That’s why I love my m4. Just with bolt ons and a tune it’s at 650 whp

[@jamesphillips4093]

Great advice!!! i love your car. I was looking at a 392. but after watching this i think i will run with a 345. cheaper and insurance cost is lower. Beisdes I'm a sport bike gun away! Love the hat too!

[@Toro704]

Always do what’s best for you I loved my 5.7 for sure

[@speedyserbian]

2021 1320, here. I'm waiting for direct connection stuff, which they recently announced kits will be coming for 392s. Think I'll start there. Not sure on pro charger. Part of me says hell yeah, the other part says keep it mostly stock/factory-backed mods like direct connection. After all, it IS still more rare than the demon. And I think there's something to keeping it largely untouched.

[@justincogdill7335]

Very true. I have a 19 1320 and I love the hell out of it but just an extra bump like better airflow and some headers. That's probably all to be honest and I hope DC comes out with a handful of goodies for us.

[@speedyserbian]

@Nunya Beezwax yeah that's something I've thought of too. I guess time will tell. Still waiting for that announcement on direct connection stuff lol. I guess I'll be waiting a while longer, sadly. Haven't heard anything lately.

[@anthonyross2508]

I believe that only the Red-eye and Super Stock have all forged internals. The Hellcat only has a forged crank as far as I know. That was a major part of my decision to go with the Red-eye. I do not race it but it seemed like a smart investment knowing that I plan to keep the car long term.

[@Toro704]

You are correct but the platform in general is way too good to pass up you made a smart choice!!

[@nasapeterbilt6042]

You don't have a clue then you have to have forged internals with forced air induction a hellcat engine can take 1000 horse power .

[@Toro704]

@@nasapeterbilt6042 have you ever touched 1,000 wheel on a vehicle you own? Lol

[@nasapeterbilt6042]

@@Toro704 yes I have I own a red eye and a road runner I was playing with these cars long before you guys were born I grew up with these cars in the 70's

[@bradleyellis7336]

392 has a forged crank. Rods are ok to about 600. The Pistons are not built for boost.

[@wh0wantsm0ke]

Good video as always! Good info! Loved my 1320, but this is reason I went with the upgrade to a hellcat #DifferentBreed

[@Toro704]

Yessir I know you love it

[@cobra1986]

I have seen you drive by me in Atlanta Georgia

[@392scatpack3]

I've had 2. Scat. 2015. & 2020 great cars both had nitrous on them and didn't come apart still running well.

[@Toro704]

Ohhh that’s nice especially since you had some spray

[@andrewway3404]

I own a 2016 rt Challenger with a 5.7 and totally enjoy driving it! Where I live, if you are caught going 50kms over the limit, you lose your ride with a $10,000.00 fine! I think the Hellcats, Demon's, etc... are best suited for the track, look at how many of these cars end up at auctions because they were written off by insurance companies after a crash. Good video, building up your ride is half the fun!

[@Toro704]

Exactly man and it’s crazy out here now a days people use the street as a race track

[@Nicky392WB]

@@Toro704 agreed with you there man. I’m in Vegas and they started “cracking down” on illegal street races and idk if they’ll catch any of them, But idiots out here putting lives on the line for 10 minutes of fun and then the cops look at us because you see nothing but dodge in these videos.

[@Toro704]

Exactly!!

[@dustinsmith7919]

@@Toro704 LOL they always did! I'm 42, when I was a kid my dad took us out "to the country" all the time. We lined up for street races on the regular. I will never forget my dad's 1972 chevy short wide with a built 350 gapping the shit out of a corvette. I wasn't even driving but got such a rush I have been hooked ever since. Fastest time that truck ever turned was at the Amarillo drag strip 13.08. Back then that was pretty damn fast for a 4000lb truck. Same engine, 10 yrs later, stroked to 426, installed in a 72 mercury caprice turned 8.52 at 168 mph. My dad build that car from the ground up 20+ years he spent tweaking that car, sadly he passed away in 2009. I have an 2018 392 Daytona Charger I know for a fact he would love this car!! I just wish he was here to help me work on it. Sorry I took it there, that wasn't my intention when I started the comment.

[@ricklewis9074]

That's what's up I also own a 2019 challenger R/T and really enjoy driving it for some reason it gives me the illusion of driving a scatpack...

[@ricardostitt2301]

Great video

[@Toro704]

🙌🙌

[@ZayTRD]

Great video bro! That’s why I tell my friends I’d I don’t go mopar gotta get a Mustang or Supra just because of the potential of aftermarket boosting.

[@Toro704]

I swear man!!!

[@Oliver-ft2fq]

Mustang and Supra are a great platform for mods right now.

[@ZayTRD]

@@Oliver-ft2fq Always have been

[@1slo.catttttt]

Feel you on this at a crossroads if I wanna supercharger my srt392 or just get the hellcat I already have the 274comp cam with the headers and injectors for e85 it just sucks I spent 10k for on the mods and still no where near a stock hellcat

[@Toro704]

True man I’m right there with you bro!!

[@RB25luv]

🤣🤣

[@MattySRT]

As you said in the video the 392 was built and meant to be a NA motor. Thats the way its always been designed for. I agree if you want to boost it then you should have gotten a hellcat. 2 completely different motors, I dont understand why some boost a motor that was meant for NA use then have to upgrade soo much to make it capable. I just may be biased as I love a NA motor due to it not being so complex and reliable... Have to disagree with you though on reliability. 392 is extremely reliable if taken care of etc. Thats why its such a popular motor to have as well as the 1:1 ratio of HP and Torque. Its a torque monster for sure!! It sounds so awesome as well especially with a H pipe exhaust system. Good vid man, Im watching your other ones

[@Toro704]

I appreciate you my man and I love everyone’s opinion

[@seafooddiablo5686]

Hey i get it. Its more about the experience than just numbers i bought a 2021 camaro 2ss convertible because i like the open air experience that i never had before. Even though its technically a slower car as a convertible.

[@AzraelIgnis]

I bought my first 392 back in 2015 but had to give it back to the bank when I lost my job a year later. Mostly garage kept too because it was my toy. I still own my 2006 Acura TL and I daily ride my motorcycles to offset fuel cost and repairs. I'm definitely back in the market for another 392. I love what it is. It's a v8. v8's retain their value very well. I don't want another challenger but leaning towards the charger or SRT Durango. Keep up the content!

[@Toro704]

Appreciate it my man

[@tomfletcher3817]

Just so you know, I'm the proud owner of a 2020 1320 and they only made 410 that year. Honestly I hope they don't build anymore 1320's. Three year production, 2019 -2021 may still be lower than 2018 demon production but the package is still in production for 2022. These cars currently are under appreciated. Emmisions suck beans here in Commiefornia, so it is nice to drive legally on the street in the quickest NA production vehicle manufactured today. Someday forged internals, cam and boost are likely, but not necessary for my daily driver.

[@team_cartooney6559]

Quickest NA ??

[@Toro704]

Easily quickest N/A car in the market the 1320 is NO JOKE

[@michaelbenardo5695]

I agree. That's why I love my 54 New Yorker with it's 1st gen Hemi and my 73 GMC. No smog checks. Ever.

[@Oliver-ft2fq]

@@Toro704 quickest NA ? C8 corvette begs to differ.

[@DF-ee8vt]

I agree with you: If you wanted a race car, this one is not for you . . . period.

[@srt8rocketship241]

I have a 2012 SRT8. It has Magnaflows cat-back x-pipe and Comp cams stage 2 , tuned and a catch can. Good enough for the street and will check your talents if not paying attention. Different somewhat.

[@LowLifeMods]

I posted today a similar video. "Boost your 392 or Buy a Hellcat". I actually have a whipple supercharged 392...kind of. Great vid man

[@Toro704]

I looked at whipple man I love the super charger but I went pro charger just waiting on drop in pistons to get here so I can get started I’ll check it out for sure!

[@LowLifeMods]

@@Toro704 you popped up on my page. Definetly dropped you a sub! It's always nice to find relatable car content. Keep it up

[@Toro704]

For sure same my guy

[@glockmodder]

my favorite part of having a charger scatpack thats modded is being able to gap camaros and moostangs with 4 passengers COMFORTABLY!!

[@Toro704]

True that!!

[@nlmbquan5124]

As a 392 owner gappin maros and stangs especially with 4 passengers is highly u likely. They are too light with nearly as much hp.

[@glockmodder]

@@nlmbquan5124 🤦 i got receipts sir with over 200 races under my belt!

[@nlmbquan5124]

@@glockmodder what’s your mods I gotta a 12’ srt8 300 Im trying to figure out the best mods to get me in comp with ss n 5.0

[@glockmodder]

@@nlmbquan5124 NA boost a pump legmaker short ram intake 90mm hellcat TB ported manifold port matched to 90mm ripp coil packs catless 180 tstat thermal bypass for transmission jay greene engine and transmission tune

[@megalesmith8848]

Thank you for the information I am trying to get A392 as a daily driver maybe I should go ahead and get the hell cat?

[@Toro704]

Yes 100%

[@megalesmith8848]

I better keep putting in a little bit more overtime then You have been a great help👍🏽💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿

[@shanemenard6057]

Get the Scat Pack for a daily. Cheaper insurance, I won't say cheaper on fuel cause you can and certainly will get on that throttle regularly. I love mine, it's my daily when I need it to be, it's my road trip car. Bought it new in March 2016 and just made final payment. All stock it dynod at 432 hp and 445 Tq at the rear wheels. That's plenty fun for me. And mines a 6 speed manual that I added a Barton shifter to. The only negative things I can say about the regular body Scat Packs. ...they sell with crap 245 size tires. Getting the Dynamics package takes care of that and gets you 6 piston front Brembo brakes and 20x9.5 wheels with size 295 tires. The stock shifter on the manual transmissions is too damn loose. Go over train tracks the wrong way and shifter shakes itself out of gear. The Barton shifter took care of that. 2 other things. At high speed, sometimes the air coming up along windshield will squeeze by the window seal and make a loud sound like a saxophone stuck on a medium pitch note lol. That's an issue with Hellcats too. There is a window calibration that can be done to help that. Lastly after washing car, there seems to be an endless amount of water that wants to trickle out of trunk lid mounted tail lights section. I leave a microfiber I. That spot and close trunk to let the microfiber soak in and draw the water out. Not a single complaint about my 392 engine with OEM tune and 139k miles on it. A friend has a 2015 392SRT and he has over 100k more miles than me. Keep up with that scheduled maintenance, use the car as intended and it last long time

[@awalk56]

Good video.

[@Toro704]

Appreciate you!

[@walterpadilla7714]

By the way, I love your set up on your 1320 beautiful

[@rashadhendricks5523]

I personally think it depends on the person. It is alot of potential in the 392. Yes, you can buy a hellcat but it your someone like me who then you would want to build a sleeper. The 392 can go natural aspirated and have alot of power or you can forge the engine and go boost depends on what you want to do. I wouldn't say it is a bad car to go for. Get a proper tune and you should be fine.

[@Toro704]

100% I’m in the process of building my 392 as we speak but after cost etc it would have been better to just buy a hellcat in my opinion but everyone is different for sure!

[@rashadhendricks5523]

@@Toro704 yes it would have been better to buy a Hellcat and yes everyone is different. Some people save cost by doing the work themselves and then sending it to a tuner to get a proper tune. The difference between a 392 and hellcat is roughly 30K to 40K depending on yes options. Plus the insurance on a Hellcat is higher as well. I was in the same boat as well between a 392 and hellcat but it is something about having a Daytona 392 that just sounds right. Eventually down the line I want to stroke it to a 426 with a blower but that is roughly about 20K in my area.

[@Toro704]

Easily 20k for sure I’m 30k into my build with forged internals and a procharger setup at this point so I deff understand my man

[@bitemyshinnymetalass1569]

Also curious how did the 4th gen 392 squeeze out 15 more HP at the crank compared to the 3rd gen 392.

[@Toro704]

Could be timing displacement engine size all sorts of things honestly

[@jizzyjake6783]

I believe it was the electric power steering over the hydraulic. Less parasitic draw.

[@allenpapir-jo6yw]

Great video and explanation on a 392 Hemi I have the same car same engine 6.4 Lovett I just recently deleted my mid mufflers sounds great but even before I did that my exhaust had a vibration coming from the engine to the do the resonators the rear of the car it happens only on a cold start low RPM between gears between 1st and 4th gear it's an automatic their vibration sounds loud and tinny noise the drug crime do that there are a lot of guys out there with that same problem and Dodge is turning their heads again do you have any of those noises coming from your exhaust

[@xxkissit609]

Your car is very nice i own a m5 competition but i like what you did with yours its always somebody faster

[@Toro704]

My homie has a F10 M5 and it’s a beast for sure I appreciate it man!

[@Ruphus7]

It's a matter of perspective... If you're buying brand new and can afford it , buy the hellcat if you want high power. If you have a 392 and it's paid for... Trade up or modify what you have. Know your limits. The only problem with the 392 is that the pistons aren't made for high boost. Other than that it's a fine motor. The lifter cam issue for 5.7 and 6.4's are a problem for both motors

[@Toro704]

Exactly

[@OddWrld]

They ironed out those problems with the updated cam and lifters in 2015 you have to buy the updated lifters and cam from Chrysler and not any store because they’ll sell you the outdated ones. Any failures is because of lack of maintenance and idling the car for long periods of time. Always warm your car up and never get in it and drive right after starting it.

[@OfOld]

@@OddWrld exactly... those are the only major flaws and apparently not enough engines experience these issues to warrant a change

[@blakesperfslage6072]

@@OddWrld you just said don't let it idle for long, but then said let it warm up🤔

[@OddWrld]

@@blakesperfslage6072 yeah idling as in for 15 min. Which surprisingly a lot of people do. Warming your car up for 5 min is okay. But when it’s cold it’ll be like 10 min but make sure you rev it at least to 2,000rpms. They starve for oil just sitting and idling due to the camshaft placement.

[@BigBlock402]

I wanted to buy a 392 Challenger and I knew the limited issues with a stock engine. That along with the difference in my Insurance cost caused me to try a totally different platform so I went with a 21 Mustang GT. The coyote is very acceptable to mods and my monthly insurance is almost half of what an SRT would be. I am over 40 with no traffic violations on my record.

[@Toro704]

Ahhh I’ve heard so many people like that platform

[@buzzz6.4]

That coyote is 🔥🔥🔥🔥 good choice. I’ve always wanted a foxbody 90-93. Maybe when I’m done with my scat.

[@austinpoaurs9871]

Agreed, absolutely shocked by my insurance rate. Went from a 392 to 2021 5.0, practically cut my rates in half.

[@Ramblequist]

@@austinpoaurs9871 As always, know who to thank for the Dodge insurance penalty...

[@RunTowardsDanger]

My hellcat insurance is $170 a month. My daily driver ford edge is $140 a month. Both vehicles comparable coverage. They really don't cost that much more, don't know where people are getting the idea that other muscle cars are cheaper to insure, they aren't.

[@Basslightning666]

I love my 345 Hemi Challenger... No issues... Working my way up to a Manual Kitty, or Shaker Scat in the future, or Mod my 345 Shaker..... The 392 doesn't need any mods..

[@robertkeenbuildingmylifesh3429]

Salute to everyone grind, Motivations, accomplishments , families , goals.....

[@Toro704]

Yessir

[@aganttjr86]

I want a scat pack but no mods is a good motor for a every day driver

[@Toro704]

Do it!!!!

[@lorenzotrinidad384]

A 392 Is basically a Scat Pack and Scat pack is basically a 392. both of them have 485 HP!!! Dodge just slap it with a different name!!!

[@e-xtreme2805]

Your 100% correct I’m dropping about 26000 when said and done on mine but I’m like you I’m in to deep and I want somthing built not bought love a good sleeper I’m going with a procharger and forged internals with upgraded cam injectors fuel pump hell cat internals as far as springs rollers rockers intake manifold pretty much everything you can do to the engine I’m doing so I hope you stick with the 392 platform and rep like I plan on doing

[@maynurd52404]

I wouldbe curious to hear your thoughts on the 2020 Challenger RT 5.7 liter engine with the shaker package. Everything is stock from the factory, the main thing that I like is that there just don't seem to be very many around with this option.

[@Toro704]

So I’m a huge fan of the 5.7 esp the capabilities of the motor man and it many shaker packages out as well so I would say keep it 100%

[@francisjmckinnisjr4383]

I have one too I did my research too so not sure if I’m going trade it in for a hellcat or just stick with it but I might switch out engine for a 426 still on the fence.

[@Toro704]

426 is nice but it’s still underpowered for my goals so idk yet honestly

[@michaelbenardo5695]

If you live in a smog-check state, you can't do that, unless your car is a racing car.

[@michaelbenardo5695]

@@Toro704 Underpowered?

[@hairychesticles1]

Yea for tuning sure dont get it but honestly its a phenomenal car and engine when left in stock form. Im coming up on 91k miles on mine now as an all seasons daily and its been good

[@Toro704]

Whaaaaa 91K that’s wild man I’m glad it’s been a good car for you

[@hairychesticles1]

@@Toro704 yea i left it stock other then having the tazer and dynomax racebullet mufflers but i have since taken the tazer out since its just better left stock in my opinion. its not the best in the snow but its definitely not the worst. being a 2015 it definitely shows some 1st year refresh quirks that i notice are not there in newer models such as some rattles and shifting being much better on the newer cars. rev matching is allot better on the newer models then mine with the 8 speed

[@corruption1724]

My bro in law bought his used with 98k on it. Now it has 111k on it and runs just as strong as my 19 scat. We do an oil sample at each oil change and no abnormal wear or anything. In stock form these motors will run damn near forever as long as you keep idle times at a minimum due to the flawed mds/lifter issues.

[@hairychesticles1]

@@corruption1724 yep mds is def an issue dodge has had. I hate mds and wish i could permanently turn it off. I like that the hellcat doesnt have mds and still gets the same or even better mpg. Only issues ive had with my car are speed sensors so far and some shifting issues when using the paddle where it skips a gear but it seems to be an early model problem

[@tmills2200]

I got one ,all the pistons had pieces missing toward the top on the pistons.Caused the pistons to seize the engine.

[@pauldombrowski3404]

Yep , I agree, perfect daily driver with enough power for the streets, thats why I bought this over the Hellcat. I think people get caught up in watching to many movies' to understand that if you are not tracking these cars like the Hellcat, ZL1 GT500, there pretty much worthless on the street vs track use. You will never really truly enjoy what those types of cars were meant for.

[@jermainejpshepherd2778]

Gr8 content. If I ever go Mopar in the future, it'll probably be the 5.7 or 6.1. Team Camaro 4 now tho.

[@Toro704]

I like the ZL1 for sure!!!

[@MLProductions.1]

If you want to build you either go 5.7 or hellcat. Scats you leave stock. The 5.7 with $30k in the motor will be doing 1k whp

[@Toro704]

Yes yes

[@earache_srt8790]

Bought a 392 from a 2012 Challenger and put it in a 2005 single cab Ram. Yes I wanted a supercharged 6.2 and could have afforded it but didn't have deep enough pockets to have it put in. Not to mention all of the other modifications I would have needed to do for that horsepower range. All that said I pretty much agree with your assessment. However I knew that building a Dodge would be more expensive than a Chevrolet or Ford. My truck is a blast ! I'm totally with you on wanting more just can't afford it and I appreciate what I've got 💯!

[@Toro704]

Yessir I’m huge on what I have for sure

[@phuturephred]

dam now i feel better about my bad financial decisions. 30k lmfao

[@bitemyshinnymetalass1569]

2013 challenger srt8 owner. I've heard some of the stories myself and it's been a debate at times In my local car clubs. I myself will leave the car mostly stock or N/A. I may do some light mods like the air intake, throttle body, ported intake manifold, and getting the car professionally tuned. Changing the spark plugs and coil packs. I don't know what my future will be like so I may only complete part of what I want done to the car. I'm definitely going to look for a tuning shop around me. I've noticed the ticks and the car will lag on acceleration more so if I stomp onto the pedal. It currently has over 106,000 miles. Active suspension warning comes on but goes away after several start ups.

[@Toro704]

Well with an older car you deff will have issues but that’s EVERY car at the end of the day enjoy the car for what it is for sure

[@dustinsmith7919]

To me the 392 has to be the best factory throwback to drag cars from the past. They are N/A, they sound fantastic and are straight beast mode from factory. Nothing cheap about owning and modifying a Mopar. I think your problem is the same as a crack head. LOL. YOU FEEL THE NEED TO GO FASTER!!!! In all seriousness if you wanted cheap speed there is always the coyote platform. Cheaper up front cost, cheaper to mod and can handle a good amount of boost. They just aren't nearly as sexy, nor do they sound as good.

[@Toro704]

That’s a fact😂 I want to be fast fast!!

[@shoalmighty334]

Love the scatpack and how it looks but I went coyote and with just a few bolt ons and e85 tune I run really close to my buddies hellcat(stock) but from a dig I win.

[@Toro704]

Big differences right

[@hellcatredeye-g6582]

I’ve already had the shaker and the scat pack really the same cars and now the redeye we made it into 1000 hp definitely can you tell the difference👍

[@Toro704]

I know you love it

[@galada52]

Needs more stickers, rattle can accents! 😆

[@Toro704]

😂 if you like the car just say that lol

[@Mikes05Hemi]

My two ProCharged Daytona 392's cost me less than the Hellcat and both are quicker in the quarter mile when compared to a stock or very slightly modified Hellcat. Both cars run mid 10's and have stock motors, transmissions, and rear ends. You save a lot of money doing your own modifications and spending money where it is important is critical when boosting the 6.4. A great tuner and fueling are the most important expenses. One car runs 7psi the other runs 10psi. Both on E85. Over 60,000 miles and at minimum 50-60 passes on the track.

[@Toro704]

Whaaaaa that’s crazy man!!!

[@RunTowardsDanger]

You mention cost but also mention it's on E85. The hellcat is great because it's running more legal boost and it runs on pump gas. Hellcat's really are worth the added cost. By the time you put the same modifications the hellcat has, into a 6.4 to keep up, your back at hellcat costs. It just doesn't make sense. Then, once you own the hellcat, power comes really cheap. There are 1000 and 1200HP hellcats running around with only $7500-10K in mods and only burning pump gas. E85 cats are a whole different level of beastmode. 6.4L just doesn't cut it. Great for what it is, but they aren't in the same league as a cat. And that's just the motor. The hellcat comes with a better transmission, rear end, and gearing.

[@Mikes05Hemi]

First I'll address the cost comparison. My Daytona 392 special ordered cost me $48K in 2020. New Hellcat Charger in 2020 was starting price 69K. I spent just over 8K on the D1X, injectors, and a dyno tune. I spent an additional 2.5K on the dual pump E85 fuel system. I didn't charge myself any labor for the installation. My car makes 731whp/ 662 lb ft torque on e85. That's 100 hp more than a stock Hellcat. That leaves me 10K for forged pistons and rods if I wanted to do them. The Hp70 is rated for around 700- 750 lb ft torque which is enough to put my car in the high 9's and as far as the rear ends go, a lot of hellcat owners change the rear ends form the 2.72 to the 3.09 that comes in the scat packs.

[@RunTowardsDanger]

@@Mikes05Hemi scat packs don't have 3.09 stock. That's an upgrade. Second a stock cat on just an E85 tune makes more power than your Daytona. And for that price you could have just bought a 60k hellcat with a better trans and stronger motor to begin with. The great thing about hellcats is they are already set up in the sweet spot to make more power. Blower already sitting on top ready for a cheap pulley swap. Just the pulley swap nets the same power you are at. Then as I mentioned E85 just a tune alone would already have passed your power. There's zero point in buying a 392 unless you plan on keeping it stock because by the time your done upgrading it to be a 6.2 basically you've spent the same amount dodge chargers for a hellcat and you don't even get the perks of owning the hellcat. Just a weaker motor that's not meant for boost. I calced out the cost before i went with the hellcat. It just isn't worth it. Besides without a blower those Hp and torque numbers don't really matter because the hellcat will make peak torque and HP before your NA car does. Plus the better trans and shift points. Nothing against 392s but compared to a hellcat they just don't make financial sense. Everyone I know that ever owned a 392 and wanted more power realized it was always smarter to trade the car in and upgrade to a hellcat before doing any mods.

[@Mikes05Hemi]

@@RunTowardsDanger sorry typo. 3.06.

[@terrywalker9092]

I would just buy a older 6.1 and supercharge it. They accept boost really well!

[@Toro704]

That is true!!

[@CR36111]

Your car is gorgeous coming from a s550 GT owner

[@Toro704]

Appreciate it

[@Justn7883]

I got a new 20 Challenger R/T for $32.7 here in NorCal. I couldn't be happier!

[@Toro704]

That’s not bad!

[@Justn7883]

@@Toro704 Right?! Yeah sure I'd love to have a Scat or a Hellcat someday but the price was right and I've made money on the car! I could sell for more than I paid. How often does that happen?!

[@Toro704]

Exactly I would have done the same thing?

[@tomfletcher3817]

you can low boost the 392, adding 200 hp and a diet will make you much faster. If you can't afford to forge internal your 6.4, you will never be fast, even with a hellcat. A built and boosted 6.4 will beat a factory SC 6.2

[@Toro704]

Yes I know that but you then add the fact if it’s not matter of IF it’s WHEN right and putting that kind of money on top of a motor is wild unless you do it the safe way

[@tomfletcher3817]

@@Toro704 a stock 1320 hooks better than a stock hellcat.

[@richgenix]

Tbh instead of modding 30K I’d just swap it to the hellcat engine might be better and cheaper imo

[@Toro704]

True but there’s a lot with swapping that’s tough

[@fms7293]

I wrecked my 21 Scat pack manual, car was great just motor cannot hold boost anything over 5 psi can blow the head due to the piston rings position, overall keep the car stock and take care of it. It won’t let you down, but then again anything can be made faster with $$$$$

[@Vermillion-Tea]

I have a challenger gt awd. I live in canada so RWD just wont due as a daily driver. I wish they made a v8 AWD, but im happy with my V6 awd no issues this last winter. I want to super charge it and get that whine. And change some stuff just waiting for the warrenty to be up. (Fingers crossed)

[@07Knightfall]

No matter how you look at it the Scatpack is the best bang for buck and even after a full bottom end build and supercharging its less than a hellcat and just as reliable. supercharger kit that nets up to 800+hp is 7K and the full bottom end build is between 5500 and 6500 depending on if you want a cam or not. Whoever told you 30K is smoking some good shit! Maybe if you have a shop do all the work. But if you do it all yourself then its no more than time on the weekend. I am speaking from experience because I have been doing all of this with my 2020 Challenger Scatpack M6.

[@07Knightfall]

I love the car man! Looks sick! I want some of those engine dress up mods you have! I just messaged you on instagram.

[@isaacbyrd8504]

Love to hear it bro

[@07Knightfall]

@@isaacbyrd8504 there are a couple videos on my channel I believe.

[@t.t.6398]

You do know Dodge and Direct Connection are releasing stage kits for the 392 right? And the heaviest a Challenger can get is just under 4500lbs, not 5000lbs! LOL! Hell my fully loaded Charger is 4450.

[@Toro704]

Yes I just made a video on it lol I was exaggerating so people understood they are heavy cars lol

[@sammyjammy6647]

Can a stock Camaro LT1 beat a stock 392?

[@Toro704]

@@sammyjammy6647 depends on the driver

[@MrWicked98]

I appreciate your input but I think I'm gonna pass on a 392. I agree get something that's already boosted and lighter.

[@christopherwilson7698]

Personally I think the car is a excellent bang for the buck 37/38 thousand 500 horsepower extremely comfortable and still can get a stick. Throw a 125 shot on it for about 800/1000 bucks have a blast on the cheap.