Do Stock Splits ACTUALLY Boost Returns? What the Numbers Say

[@ThePlainBagel]

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[@jijovj3808]

What happened to "price" of share if there is no buyer in a hypothetical situation?

[@welingkartr416]

I am a newbie, but for a long term investor wont the stock split be beneficial (assuming of course, he or she has invested in fairly good companies in a growth industry)?

[@GT-tj1qg]

Each time I'm about to say "but he hasn't taken account of ___" he then goes and takes account of it lol. Great KZbinr.

[@incremental_failure]

It also has to do with dip buyers stepping in to buy, automated ones with bad data correction algos.

[@jasonluong3862]

At 10:19, just before the graphic fades away, it shows NVIDIA split 4 for 1 in May 2021. Only 3 years later, NVIDIA is about to do a 10:1 split because at its current price of over $1000 a share, it is considered too prohibitive to attract new investors. Before the split, its price was $600. So if NVIDIA had not done the 4:1 split, its current price "should" be $4,000. It should be, and not would be, because the 4:1 split itself may have contributed to the explosive growth of this company's stock price. So within 3 years, NVIDIA went from $600 to $4000. Astounding.

[@therapturedmichelle]

Thank you for such an in-depth video!

[@unkreativnet]

Very good and very important video. Thank you for your work!

[@bestgirlie09]

What's needed? Liquid cash. Everyone only has credit. If you have stacks of cash, you can capitalize on everyone's credit. A recession as bad it can be, provides good buying opportunities in the markets if you’re careful and it can also create volatility giving great short time buy and sell opportunities too. This is not financial advise but get buying.

[@hobbs252]

Cash can be king , but it depends on how much you have. I.E- if you have 300,000 cash when the house market crash occurs you will have a LOT more opportunities VS many others especially when people get foreclosed.

[@AmandaMichelle.]

When the stock market rebounds, many investors may come to regret not investing in the red today. It's possible that this pricing will never be seen again. If you have a fantastic vision for it, there is always opportunity in the midst of chaos.

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[@simonkim8646]

Mwahahahaha scam bots' main comment has been deleted. This brings me much more joy than I'd like to admit

[@AlexanderTheGoodEnough]

Lead to better performance? No by itself. A result of good performance? More likely. If good performance continues, then the split likely had nothing to do with it...unless you're TSLA.

[@thinkingonyx847]

Google had a stock split in 2022 and has been doing quite well since then, their share price was a whopping $2,000 before the 1-for-20 split.

[@xmochix604]

I think Google is one of the tech companies and is an exception. But if you look at Apple, Tesla, etc, they’re stagnant.

[@behrensf84]

wait a minute? do stock splits improve company performance, or do companies with good performance tend to split their stock?

[@wlochataSwinka]

Great analysis!

[@cosmicmauve]

From my experience they usually go down for a bit. CIBC is going to split, I'm a long term holder, I'll do fine.

[@josephgordon1269]

Binging this channel Memorial day!

[@ec188]

No but more people could afford $100 instead of $2000 a stock so more demand. My brokers do not allow to buy fraction of Googl. Are all split stocks you analyze are over $2000. If some are just $100 or much less than $2000, I am afraid it is not apple to apple comparison since $100 stock before split is already very affordable. I believe Googl will go up after split even split itself will not increase the intrinsic value.

[@spyrosbdx]

Amazing video!

[@davidpoole8130]

I think that it would mainly depend on the company.

[@bbmpiano]

So stock splits are just another specution, myth; people get fired up over an arbitrary company action that doesnt impact its fundamentals or market cap in any way, another speculative excuse to deploy in the casino

[@deltabeta5527]

Do stock Bonuses dilute the price of the stock?

[@abdlldajani3528]

Great work and you can certainly conclude that they don't have much of an impact now. What about for long term investors focusing on 5-10 year horizons? Also right now we're in a bear market or at least a major correction.

[@welingkartr416]

Oh saw your question after I asked something similar!

[@Xairos84]

Great video. I'm really curious if the low stock price really encourages retail investors to buy in

[@finnowsley6554]

How can they underperform the market by around 12% for a year if their return for a year is around 12%? Doesn't that imply the market return was 24% a year on average? What am I missing

[@kurtmiller1689]

What is the benefit to splitting a stock in the first place? If there is no impact to performance, why do it at all? Honest question.

[@Artifex422]

Its to make the stock more accessible. Some brokers dont allow for fractional stock purchases, so buying a share of tesla at $5000 versus having it split twice and being able to purchase one share for $300 is a huge difference

[@quinardosoto977]

Accessibility is the short answer; more people and groups being able to purchase smaller price stocks. More specifically; for a retail investor it's easier to buy 20 shares of different companies that add up to 20% of your mid-risk investments, than say one share of one company that's worth 15% of your mid-risk investments. Same goes for investment vehicles and funds that are used by most middle-class investors, a 401k or IRA etc doesn't want to put huge % of their funds into small numbers of shares in a small number of companies, they want to buy a lot of different shares across different sectors so they're considered to be more diversified.

[@xmochix604]

I don’t like it. After the split some stocks underperformed like he said here. I’ve sold mine and moved on to other ones and now they’re splitting. Too many hands in the jar, will only cause more volatility which I don’t care for.

[@jensschreiner5351]

I really like your videos, but " from 2020 - 2022..." is really not a good set of data. The past 15 years money has been thrown at the markets. Comparison to a pumped SP500 is kind of lame. Let's see how stock splits perform in a more difficult decade.

[@endyGON]

What if you're selling a covered call on a stock that splits?

[@midimusicforever]

Time for a video on the Luna tank?

[@Rizhiy13]

Isn't this just survivorship bias? e.g.: * A company is good, so it performs well * Because it performs well, stock price rises * Price gets too high, so management decides to do a stock split * Since nothing much changed, the company is still quite good, performs well and share price continues to rise

[@sean4850]

Upvote

[@oyuyuy]

For sure, but if that's true, you could still use that strategy for buying stocks. Not because splits boost the return, but because splits indicate a good company.

[@Martin-qb2mw]

thats my take is well. academics call this "momentum". things that go up tend to continute to go up. there is no theoretical reason for this but its a well documented phenomena.

[@someonesilence3731]

The main reason this reasoning doens't work is because past performance does not predict future performance.

[@Martin-qb2mw]

@@someonesilence3731 Past returns does predict future performance. Look up "price momentum". It's a very well documented phenomena.

[@bigkitty7009]

Do you have the dataset published anywhere? I am curious how it would compare to the S&P 500 if calls were sold against the underlying on a multi year basis.

[@InvestorCenter]

Stock splits create no tangible value. It’s crazy how people “invest” in a company just because of a pending stock split

[@bbmpiano]

ahem GME ahem

[@benjaminlegeard3190]

Stock market... for investing? Hmmm, seems a little outdated doesn’t it?

[@devilex121]

I mean, not that I advocate it myself but, I don't think it's all that crazy for people whose trading strategy is purely driven by momentum. It's just a subset of technical analysis focusing on much shorter time-frames.

[@poisonpotato1]

@@devilex121 technical analysis = astrology for investors

[@gigitrix]

7:12 This doesn't even address the fact that those companies doing a split are presumably doing so due to an outsized nominal value, making the population of companies even doing it a sample that is biased towards overperformers in the first place

[@VincentAndre_HK]

that would actually tend to speak against stock split.

[@mohamedabdeltawab5381]

Good job

[@DysonDad]

Thanks for making this 👍🏻

[@michalzuk1705]

Wouldn't stock splits be more important in Europe and Asia where fractional share investing isn't very common. In some places, it's even worse than that; for example, in Japan, I think you have to buy stocks in lots of 100, which makes many companies completely unaffordable for retail investors. I think that was the reason behind Nintendo's recent announcement of a stock split. The minimum investment in that company is around $44 000 if you buy in Japan.

[@mattroach4554]

Exactly my thinking. I believe this split will affect Nintendo stock positively.

[@ChaosDarkLight]

In Taiwan, you have to buy stonks in lots of 1000. There are ways to buy stocks 1 by 1, but it's annoying.

[@Larry82ch]

That's right. I had to scrape the bottom of the barrel just to buy one alphabet stock and it made my portfolio more weighted into this position than I would have preferred (I'm from Europe).

[@overPowerPenguin]

You can buy fractional on some brokers also in UE. However, why would you want to buy a part of a share that you don't own.

[@ImaNHLFan]

It would be interesting to analyze whether the split resulted in an actual increase in trading volume, factoring in the increased number of shares.

[@simon2340]

Thanks for the hard work, will there be a episode on fixed income market? Investment grade, high yield and government bond? Thanks!!!!!!

[@georgesoros4223]

Ah yes, the old people investments. fking love it

[@GT-tj1qg]

What does investment-grade even mean? Who is advertising "non-investment-grade" bonds lmao

[@georgesoros4223]

@@GT-tj1qg Investment grade basically means safe/very low risk and volatility. Whereas, Non-investment grade are often advertised as up-and-coming like tech companies, or bonds that have higher risks and USUALLY have higher returns, aka Non-investment grade are less safe and more towards fun and exciting bonds, you might also want to invest in Non-investment bonds simply due to your love for a particular company or industry.

[@AsulePilapil]

Speaking of gamespot. Can you do a video on where GameStop story is at currently?

[@karanshah287]

Great content💯

[@mrjjman2010]

You probably know this already but there are a lot of comments trying to scam people into investing with some fake Instagram investment thing. Just thought you should know so you can block them so people don’t get scammed

[@juandeag5550]

I agree. This has been going on for a long time. I bet they (content creators) are equally frustrated like us.

[@mrjjman2010]

@@juandeag5550 yeah I imagine so. Ridiculous KZbin can’t do anything about it.

[@Flor-ian]

I always wonder if people that push this idea ever think about reverse splits, I looked into a few recent stock reverse splits (15 or so) and none of them lead to a significant DECLINE in stock price. I completely agree with the fractional shares point, you can already just invest $20 into amazon regardless of the current strike. Great video! Keep it up!

[@ichanmich]

If the argument is that stock splits improve accessibility, maybe tickers with an already low share price ought to be excluded?

[@MartinTrAr]

Do you know any stock splits where the price was low already? Just curious. There is listing requirements for the NASDAQ and NYSE you know.

[@lewax00]

@@MartinTrAr Both of the outliers mentioned in the video were examples of that. If you pause and look at the spreadsheet, there are some more. I don't know where the threshold for "low" is, but definitely multiple that were

[@NK-iw6rq]

There are already fractional shares

[@Meowmeow.age.6]

Fractional shares exist. Anyone can buy google and Amazon. Buying because of a split is stupid.

[@MartinTrAr]

@@Meowmeow.age.6 not in most European countries, they don't. It's largely, if not entirely a US thing.

[@TTTTyme]

This definitely depends on the media value of a company. The outcome will vary greatly for say Tesla vs. Humana

[@TedTremendous]

Love this data!

[@CarsSimplified]

Great video! It would be interesting to see a "Part 2" of sorts on reverse stock splits. People's online comments seem to have more conviction about those having a negative impact on share price than splits having a positive impact on share price.

[@Alex-xl4xe]

Beautiful spreadsheets man.

[@Zaerki]

Between that and STLA for Stellantis, you know that the ticker choice is not arbitrary

[@loberant]

OPTIONS

[@kirkclements4893]

If the stock split announcement is combined with a dividend increase or share buy-back announcement then you have an actual return to shareholders situation and the stock will then have a reason to increase in value. It is not the split - it is the return to shareholders that matters. Model that and you will see it in the numbers. Thanks for your great work.

[@slimjimjimslim5923]

Ohh thank god you did this cause I was wondering if I should have bought some amazon stock before splits

[@jersparkmovies]

Not sure if you work out ,but your biceps are looking tight.

[@iternation1749]

Awesome!

[@WeWaltRun]

I should get credit for my comment from the tiktok video

[@FernandoFernandesJr]

Buying splitting stocks is just a quirky momentum strategy. Stocks split because they have appreciated.

[@Zarrx]

Going off the back of TikTok reactions I'd love to see you review and react to KZbinr Benjamin

[@LoganT101]

Please do a review of Benjamin. Guy is hilarious

[@NavaracVolare]

Benjamin is a god among men

[@bobaquatics6776]

In europe, fractional shares are not very common, so a split of expensive stocks brings more investors to the table.

[@jijovj3808]

What happened to the PRICE of share, if there is "no transactions" or "no buyers" for share in hypothetical situation? Expecting your answer. post this question for month u didn't reply

[@pinkysweets]

the price is whatever it was last traded at, if you're the one want to sell it, you have to lower the price to whatever attractive enough that someone wants to take it

[@awasme]

stonks

[@scottwickens657]

Thanks for the video and doing the math, and data analysis!

[@44StormBringer]

This is one respectable youtube channel! Thank you sir

[@Ashentz]

Definitely mostly has to do with more accessibility for people to access multiples of 100 for option trading. People want access to stocks they can sell covered calls on, for example.

[@jeremychristian5409]

I am not an investor. Actually, this whole affair is pretty new to me, so correct me if I'm wrong... But, wouldn't there be a more material return for the upcoming stock splits solely for the fact that now there are more buzz by KZbinrs or financial-hypers that may just get a lot of people convinced and help it become a self-fulfilled prophecy?

[@zebedeesummers4413]

maybe, but in a very minor way and you'd need to pull out of the stock almost instantly before the market re-stabilizes to see any return. Take this with a grain of salt because I generally don't daytrade.

[@IndexInvestingWithCole]

Jeremy if what you’re saying is true that would mean stock splits would cause worse returns for buyers of the stock because the price would rise for no intrinsic reason thus causing you to overpay for your purchase

[@gigitrix]

There's just as likely to be an equal amount of institutional shorts taking their money in the belief that stock splits have no material impact in a stock and thus these inflows lead to overpricing

[@crepituss9381]

I was going to sign up for the newsletter, but their IT people can't parse valid email addresses (non-standard, but VALID Top Level Domains are pretty fucking common at this point). They have no way to contact them about this issue either - making it doubly stupid.

[@jamainebuzzar671]

Not all Stock Split works out but if a impending Stock Split is coupled with good news from that company or if that company has been doing relatively well then you can actually get some pretty good gains...

[@allenscenery]

Your sample size is too small. Also the median is a better value to avoid outliers' influence.

[@alex2143]

He explained how he took his sample. It's all of the stock splits of the last few years. He also explained why he took only the last few years and not, say, the last 20 years, and that's because the argument is that accessibility boosts the stock price. But accessibility isn't much of an issue any more since fractional shares are now widely available. Also, he does list the median values and the standard deviation. So you can make a judgment on the reliability of the data. The reason the sample size is so small it's because the population is so small. Stock splits are relatively rare.

[@allenscenery]

​@@alex2143 isn't it the opposite though. Fractional shares became more available in 2020, so he should take data before 2020 due to accessibility issues, which is more than a couple of years. Too small a size sample, and too much noise. Hard to draw any statistically significant conclusion.

[@allenscenery]

@@alex2143 I know he listed median, but he constantly refers to the mean in the video.

[@alex2143]

@@allenscenery sure. But the actual return you get from building a portfolio based on a strategy focusing on stock splits is the average, not the median. It's well known that a small number of outliers drive the majority of returns. Using the median would give a distorted image of the actual returns you'd get.

[@allenscenery]

@@alex2143 mean is not very useful especially skewed by a few outliers. In reality, your portfolio is more like a weighted average, but whatever.

[@chrisworthman3191]

The stock market is a fixed game with little to no meaningful oversight.

[@kelo8685]

Looks like someone just recently discovered what options are, don't let it get you down little buddy.

[@chrisworthman3191]

@@kelo8685 Maybe someday you will discover reality kid.

[@tanjoy0205]

So don’t Spilt up gang !

[@djpuplex]

Cmg needs a stock split

[@mshumway78]

Awesome breakdown. People would save so much more money if they'd lay off the tiktok crap and watch your videos. Nice work!

[@julius5256]

I think it’s very logical that there is no excess return. The stock market doesn’t just consist of retail investors who get their news from TikTok. If this strategy would actually work, tiktokers would pretty much be the last people find out about it. It’s way more likely that quant funds, banks etc would find about this strategy way ahead of any retail investor and therefore erase any excess return. The more people know about a working strategy the lower are the returns until they are completely erased

[@Clinkzies]

Sometimes we like to spend money/time on the companies we own shares of to support them. If someone can’t afford to pay $2000 for a share of Google they might be more inclined to buy Microsoft shares and switch to Bing! I know it’s a stretch but it’s the only way a stock split can effect fundamentals.

[@andyyang5234]

There's a theory that GOOG's split will allow its induction into the DJIA, due to the DJIA's peculiar price-weighted nature. Do you think that would be a reason for an expected price increase?

[@Meowmeow.age.6]

Plot twist. Grandpas DOW goes with Meta Platforms over Google.

[@abhimanyuyadav2685]

Can anyone help me with the data extraction from the source. I would like to also do some analysis

[@user-ql5un6ng7x]

1 banana = $1 2 bananas = $2.50 Fin-fluencers: "Sounds fair." After all, linearity is for simpletons.

[@sobtrdeszl7806]

no

[@ebhd33]

Very nice video. I would love to hear your updated opinion and guesses regarding moass idea and upcoming split regarding GME

[@peterinfamilyguy]

I don't know. Usually stock splits decrease volatility since it is easier for people to buy shares. The lower the cost, the more people have access to it. It doesn't change fundamentals nor the valuation, but decreases the amount of time people need to save up to buy a share. Decreases risk too as small movements in percentage on the market doesn't affect you too much. It's not rocket science man

[@180Ranmafan]

Yeah Stock splits just help market resolution. More volume, more accurate prices and distribution of risk to all parties.

[@peterinfamilyguy]

@@180Ranmafan Exactly

[@patrickmeehan6856]

Thank you for this video Mr. Bagel! Would you be willing and able to upload your spreadsheets/data?

[@eliotness107]

its called a self fulfilling prophecy. Because of the wide belief it happends, thats why it happends...

[@BrianFeroldiYT]

Stock splits don’t create value. However, some investors clearly like them. The real question is: why NOT do it?

[@Meowmeow.age.6]

If you do front run Amazon split. You would buy now and sell before the split. Short after the split because then you can cover whenever you feel like you made enough money. Amazon fair value is south of 1000 pre split. Which is over 50% upside potential gains. So there you go. Make some money in the bear market.

[@TheNORegretShow]

Stock splits and buybacks benefit insider's. You only see stock splits when a stock explodes in value. Shortly after insider's sell there shares for huge profits. Why are they not doing in now after tech is down. You are better off demanding a dividend. Amazon lost 7.6 billion investing in Rivian why would you give them more of your money without getting something in return. Investors need to wake up.

[@IamGrimalkin]

If you're taking the mean return, you should use an equal-weighted index as a comparison, not the S & P 500. It only makes sense to compare to the S & P if you market-weight your returns.

[@Aservy]

This is not the mean return of a portfolio of equal-weighted stocks; this is the mean of the excess returns. There is a difference, and PB's approach is alright. But nice critical thinking of you still!

[@isaacgove]

This

[@IamGrimalkin]

@@Aservy It's the excess returns from a market -weighted index, but he should be using the excess returns relative to an equal-weighted index, unless those returns are market-weighted as well. Why? Imagine every company had a stock split during a period. Also, imagine the equal-weighted index outperformed the market-weighted index by 3% in the time period he's measuring. Using this technique, he would then say stock splits outperform the market by 3%. But actually, they didn't outperform the market at all, they *were* the market. If you're not market-weighting your returns, you should not market-weight your benchmark; otherwise you might be measuring the market-weighting rather than the effect you're actually looking for.

[@Aservy]

@@IamGrimalkin fair enough!

[@ArmaniV03]

Love this topic, and your analysis! This could have been such an interesting research study for a University Corporate Finance class

[@Jasonbc25]

Wouldn't a better comparable be against it's sector rather than the S&P 500 as a whole? For example, if it is was a bank that split, would it not be better to track it against other banks?

[@kILLuMBuS]

what about a stock split in the form of a dividend?

[@hangzheng]

I wonder if 12mo excess return favors larger capital companies (ie >1B)

[@therocinante3443]

They sure did with my TSLA!

[@David.Marquez]

I wonder if when looking at reverse splits the overall deviations would also be similar. Perhaps the long term performance could be slightly lower since some companies in trouble usually do reverse splits?

[@oricta21]

Can someone point out the thinking error in this: If I have e.g. 1 GOOGL stock then for every 1€ the price goes up, I gain 1€. After a 20:1 stock split, I have 20 shares, so for every 1€ the price goes up I now gain 20€. Isn't this a benefit?

[@Goat._]

That’s what I’m saying bruh

[@hivaladeen4892]

The error is the price of a 1 Euro increase is less of a percentage for something that’s 2000€ compared to one that’s 100€. So 1€ increase on €100 a share is 1%. But that same 1 euro increase of a €2000 share is only 0.05%. So the same percentage increase on €2000 is actually €20, but you own 1 share. A 1% increase on €100 is €1 per share but you own 20 shares as opposed to 1 with the split. Both result in €20 gain. Hope that helps matey

[@axelnils]

You should probably retake middle school math class before you put any of your money on the line

[@brianyen373]

This comes to the point of value. Gaining 1 dollar before the split is equivalent to gaining 5 cents on every of the 20 stocks after the split.

[@oricta21]

@@brianyen373 I get that. But do people take in consideration that the stock has split when trading? For example, TSLA is very volatile and can gain/lose an average of €50 in one day. I have one share. For the sake of the argument, let's assume that tomorrow it splits 5:1, now I have 5. Tomorrow comes and it's volatile again. Will TSLA trade accordingly (€10 since it split) or again have a +€50 day? In the second case I would have gained a lot because the split gave me "extra free" shares. I'm sorry I find it difficult to write what I have in mind.

[@user-zq8bt6hv9k]

Can't wait for the terra luna video I hope you're gonna make

[@xntumrfo9ivrnwf]

You didn’t weigh the avg returns by market cap? Why only look at the past 2 years when we had perhaps the biggest bull run in living memory?

[@Ambiguousaxolotl]

You should talk about reverse stock splits as I see many new people buy in right before or after one then them wondering why the price goes down 50%

[@ChaosDarkLight]

In Taiwan, you have to buy stonks in lots of 1000. There are ways to buy stocks 1 by 1, but it's annoying.

[@RocketsharK7]

The thing I dont understand about splits is that the company does not control the price of the stock, the investors just buy the stock at whatever price they want, so how does it just cut the price in a moments time. Also the stocks price history never shows an instant drop at the split time, do they adjust the price history to reflect the relative value?

[@slyPD71]

a stock split via a share dividend on a company with large amount of naked short positions against it - we are ALL about to learn the effects of that... $GME r superstonk

[@thomasmuller7637]

What are the odds TikTok Finance influencers have ever even opened Excel let alone built a financial model?

[@llamaman4901]

Instructions unclear, got bagel stuck in stock split.

[@kdpowers]

It did for NVIDIA last year.

[@franekwrobel1449]

Do a video on magic formuła Please!

[@darkshadow955]

Stonks.

[@cookinthekitchen]

I feel like some investment firm should hire you

[@ajcrkni]

This was an interesting topic and I appreciate what you've done here. Might try some risky business with minimum investment just for those 1-day return rates. On a more serious note, I really feel like it's hard to compare the returns. I also felt firstly that comparing returns to S&P made sense, but then again, it's weird to look 365-day period just because we are in a weird market. Furthermore, S&P has a lot of companies that are from different sectors and I feel like that it's way less than apples to apples comparison.