Do the Mets Have Enough Pitching to Be Competitive in 2024?

[@manuelromero2128]

It’s clear that David Stearns wants to build a winner and gear for 2025. He was able to build a winner in Milwaukee and have been competitive throughout his tenure. We have an owner that will spend for the right players. Let’s be patient.

[@benjaminwatlers1848]

What would be the signings in the off season of the 2024 season prior to 2025 that would make the Mets suddenly go from being a non winning team to being a winner in 2025? Its very hard to make a team great in one off season

[@95Comics]

How does building for 2025 mean tanking 2024? Why don’t they just sign players for more than one season and then they can consider part of building 2025 as the same thing as building for 2024 because if this team that supposedly has so much money, just sign, Bellinger and Snell it’s wildly different team, and that could definitely be considered a contender

[@manuelromero2128]

@@benjaminwatlers1848 You are absolutely correct. By 2025, they will be better able to assess who they want to keep, trade and sign in free agency. Stearns has a track record of building a poor team into a consistent Play Off team on a small payroll. Our Mets won’t have that issue.

[@CHAZZANELKINS01]

Max fried​@@benjaminwatlers1848

[@marktorak5578]

I hope I'm wrong but I have less confidence in this team being any good in years. I've been a Met fan since 1968 a big zTom Seaver fan. The starting pitching doesn't look good. They need a DH. I just can't get to like the Yankees. Come on Mets have a good year. Over .500 anyway

[@fredflintstone1485]

There is NO WAY they can compete with that pitching staff. Severino will probably be terrible-and then get injured.Everyone but Senga will be at best mediocre, more probably poor.Their hitting can't make up for that even if they were the 27 Yankees. By the way Ryan, re all the guys reporting baseball here on KZbin, I think yours is the most professional and informative. I'm a fan.

[@benjaminwatlers1848]

I agree they don't have back end of rotation starters good enough to make a difference there, and the middle bullpen arms aren't very strong. So I would think that 2 out of 5 games the game will be over by the 5th - 6th with the Mets trailing that bad

[@vincentzincone8012]

Hope these guys can go more than four innings!

[@mtp4430]

This pitching staff is going to take us a long way. Unfortunately, that way is down. But I’ll be patient because I’m anticipating the eventual turn around that is underway. At least we’ve finally started the process of rebuilding the entire system. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Although Cohen did try. You’ve got to give him kudos for that. LGM

[@MayaguezMets62]

Now sign Jorge Soler for DH, and Matt Moore and Wandy Peralta for the bullpen.

[@quetzalflight5790]

YOU KNOW IT'S ALL GOOD AND DANNDY. BUT ONE BAD AWFUL TRAIT OF METS OWNERSHIP AND OFFICE DESK INDIVIDUALS IS THAT AS SOON AS A METS PLAYER BECOMES BETTER OR QUALITY CALIBER.....THEY !!! TRADE THEM !!!! LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BETTER WHEN THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM!!!!!😬😬😬🤦🤦🤦🤦

[@CHAZZANELKINS01]

How about actually signing pete Alonzo. The fact that he hasn't even been signed and a contract for Yamamoto for over 300 million dollars was offered is a disgrace. What are we doing? I understand the patience and I understand that we have a dirth of young talent that is currently on the roster and coming up through the system but to give up a 50 home run a year guy who is homegrown is absolutely ludicrous. I'm okay with being patient but not taking care of Pete is an absolute disgrace

[@benjaminwalters7800]

I believe that Alonso gets traded away a few mlb insiders are reporting this. It doesn’t benefit Alonso to resign with the Mets for less money than the market could give him and if your the Mets doesn’t benefit you to basically bid against yourself.

[@CHAZZANELKINS01]

@@benjaminwalters7800 makes zero sense in trading that production

[@bena4072]

This is a good point - Mets don’t have big arms at the top of rotation but they have great depth. If we had this depth last year it would have insulated us against injuries a little more. All this negativity in the comments is silly and shows the emotion of Mets fans not the intelligence Mets fans are known for - all of you have NO idea what will happen this year just like you had NO idea last year when we had 2 HOF aces and a 22 batting champ. My guess, which is as bad as all of yours, is that this team is better than 23, which means more wins and a shot at wildcard.

[@benjaminwalters7800]

If the Mets have depth than it is 5th starter type depth; which usually 5th starters aren’t the guy you want to build around. Even if you have 1-2 solid at the front the bottom 3-4-5 are going bring you down like a lead weight. Bullpen is not strong or deep to bridge the gap between them and closer. Are people forgetting that the Mets were horrible in 2023; especially the 2nd half after trading away. They just never were a good solid team. Now to make the Mets better in 2024 they have basically signed a defensive first center and a back end of the rotation pitcher. Fans than thinking the Mets are a good team. They will be horrible

[@Standdividedfalltogether]

Just cuz they brought in 10 guys doesn’t actually mean depth if only 2 of them can go 5 innings with a 5 era.

[@benjaminwatlers1848]

I agree with nothing on the back end they will kill the bullpen having to take over routinely in the 4th - 5th inning

[@PrepOLGC]

Saying the Mets have better pitching depth than the Phillies is crazy

[@benjaminwatlers1848]

Agree, Braves, Phillies and Marlins are way around in pitching depth

[@robchell9196]

Maybe to compete in the Central or use two starters per game?

[@Cheryworld]

Currently, they have enough pitching to compete with Washington for last place

[@LurkerDood]

Sign Trevor Bauer!!! 🙄🤦 1 year deal & if he performs, then sign him long term!!!!

[@ddt3831]

I'm thinking Steve Cohen may have some lingering bitterness towards Bauer after he announced he was signing with the Mets, and then jilted them at the alter and signed with LA. Remember Steven Matz? He actually dodged a bullet on that one, but he was P*SSED!!

[@explosivediarrhea4671]

No team will sign Bauer it would be a potential pr disaster for them. He still has 3 lawsuits ongoing from 3 different females with the same issue. No team will risk signing Bauer this offseason

[@LurkerDood]

@@explosivediarrhea4671 Bauer is innocent! That woman was lying, that is why Police didn't press any charges & didn't MLB reduce his fine & ban? Plus the woman is on video laughing & joking when she filed the report Dodgers also payed Bauer off & cut him, dummy! 🙄 🤦‍♂

[@gvh8540]

This pitching lineup ain’t doing it vs Atlanta and Philly with new defense coming from 3rd base and whatever health we get from Marte

[@Standdividedfalltogether]

Not even close. Lol. 70 wins is going to be tough. But at least we’ll draft good next year.

[@marktorak5578]

Can any starting pitcher make it to the 6th inning. The team needs pitcher help badly

[@ejred3]

Excuses brother. Not cutting it

[@GeraldM_inNC]

Awful pitching staff

[@mark-os9do]

A "solid" 60 win season from these scrubs....😢😢😢😢

[@GeraldM_inNC]

@@mark-os9do If they were all competing to be #5 starter we would be blest. Unfortunately, they also have to fill 2, 3 and 4 from them.

[@mark-os9do]

@@GeraldM_inNC lots of new bodies, suspect/ no talent, lots of wasted money... Could of saved money by just letting the kids in the minors fill the slots instead since Uncle Steve didn't feel like signing any quality pitchers this year. ... Let's see Metsies already on the hook for $100M penalty tax + $80M for Scherzer/Verlander.... Wow what a mess....🤦🤦🤦🏽🤦🏾🤦🏿🤦🏿‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️🙅‍♂️🙆‍♂️ Stearns looks like a bust small market GM with small market mentality....meanwhile instead of signing Pete they just show him disrespect....who would want to sign with the Metsies.....

[@benjaminwalters7800]

@@mark-os9doit is hard to judge Stearns on one off season. Fact the 2022: 2023 Mets were a older team that had to get younger to open a success window. What if Stearns being patient and letting contracts play out etc. and not signing long term deals that usually never work out frees up money and playing time for prospects. Everyone likes names we know but the real value is the names we don’t know that develop into something than over paying for what a free agent did in the past. Stearns needs 2-4 years before you can really start judging what he is. The Mets were in a major mess when he came in

[@fasteddie44-77]

need an ace for sure, we have a low # 2,HIGH #3 IN SENGA. THEN 5 # 4S AND 5S. NO CHANCE WITH THIS ROTATION

[@thomascoppolone2969]

There's a difference between having depth and having good depth lmao. Rn they have depth but its all medicore players that can come to fill in for guys

[@seen48]

Based on the title alone I say not a chance. We are going to get smoked unless we get a big bat in our lineup. We are going to lose by 5-6 runs a game with this pitching staff.

[@alandesgrange9703]

The Mets can be competitive against the bottom dwellers. The good teams,....um,..no. They will hopefully be a .500 team at the trade deadline, maybe a few smart trades, and squeak into the wildcard. This is best case scenario.

[@StarCooki3]

Need a legit 8th inning reliever , plus a bat .. Martinez best hitter available but Turner makes sense because he can play 3b if Baty doesn’t improve

[@benjaminwatlers1848]

Mets are going take very few games late with a lead that the 8th inning is not as important as having either another pitcher or having someone earlier who can throw 2-3 innings out of the bullpen

[@95Comics]

We were supposed to win the World Series within five years going into year four we have the worst team yet😂 nobody’s gonna wanna sign here anymore to get Verlandered if the team doesn’t do well so we can’t even replace the ones that they dumped I don’t see why they don’t just throw money at snell if he doesn’t work out, trade him for more prospects just like you do with Verlander what’s the problem it seems that they just don’t wanna have a good team this year because they could add Snell bellinger And a couple bullpen arms, and be considered a favorite We’re just going to be a laughing stock, and get beaten by the Marlins and all the swings on those two players which is aggravating because if he is so risk, why wouldn’t he go grab those two players so the team has a chance this year?

[@benjaminwatlers1848]

The Mets have a big issue for a few years as the Braves, and Philies are so strong that even with signings the most likely scenario is a wild card win so the Mets face a major up hill

[@vicmreyes]

Ryan, I would not be opposed to Bauer. Yes, he can be a distraction, but as long as Bauer and the team can get along I think there can be a tremendous upside. I do not think he will be overly expensive either. I wasn't a fan of his and I did not approve of his personal life choices, didn't like his arrogance but I do think he deserves a chance to prove he belongs especially since he was not proven guilty. I see him as a pitcher who can anchor this rotation, Senga, Bauer, Quintana, Butto etc...

[@benjaminwatlers1848]

The media circus in New York with signing Bauer with all the news outlets would be a huge distraction

[@StarCooki3]

No way Stearns signs Bauer in his first year on job , none of

[@MayaguezMets62]

Mets might surprise and get the 3rd wildcard.

[@benjaminwatlers1848]

That would be a crazy surpise as they don't have a great line up or a good rotation or a good bullpen. They are measured by most experts to finish at about 70 - 90 record

[@arcadeperfectreviews2653]

"A team that has a fighting chance"? You think this pathetic team is going to stand any chance at all vs. Atlanta and Philly? I have a bridge you might be interested in.

[@benjaminwatlers1848]

For the mets to win they will have to beat the bad teams as the good teams will most likely destroy them.

[@arcadeperfectreviews2653]

@benjaminwatlers1848 right but what bad team is worse the mets right now? The Nats, that's about it. I'd even take the pirates over the mets right now.

[@benjaminwalters7800]

⁠@@arcadeperfectreviews2653sometimes we have to live through the growing pains again; I really believe Eppler messed this team and farm system up. I don’t think there was any way for Stearns to come in and sign 2-3 players and turn this team around with a winning window and long term success.

[@arcadeperfectreviews2653]

@benjaminwalters7800 not 2 or 3 but 4 or 5 could do it. If they would have signed E-rod who wanted to meet with them and Sterns ignored, they would have a good number 2 guy for 5 years 80mil. Then say, a Snell could come in and be am ace. All of a sudden 2 players turns your starters into one of the best if not THE best in the NL. Then a J.D. Martinez as a DH and a Jorge Solar as a left fielder and you have 2 GREAT HITTERS behind pete and one of the best if not THE BEST lineups in the NL. (Nimo, Lindor, Alanso, Martinez, Solar, Alverez, Martye, McNeil, Baty) but they didn't make thise moves becuase its no longer about winning the WS it's about building a casino/hotel.

[@williamortiz5830]

Starting pitching is very questionable as is the bullpen. I can't see this team making a playoff push this year. PUNT 2024

[@benjaminwalters7800]

Another point people think that a horrible team will suddenly get better in 2025; it happens usually slowly. The Mets should have spent on a few players so that they don’t have to hope and pray that 2024 off season they can corner the market

[@CautionHighWavesAhead-]

We might see a bunch of broken down, washed up pitchers this coming season. If we're lucky we might see some surprises.

[@Nakakan1993]

No.

[@mark-os9do]

Metsies are going to be brutal to watch in 2024. I know 2025 will be "magically" better... 😂😂😂😂😂

[@benjaminwalters7800]

What makes you think 2025 will be better; what prospects are players do you see the Mets getting. All last season it was the Mets getting ohtani this off season than it was the other Japanese pitcher and neither happened. What if Pete Alonso leaves and Juan Soto choose against the Mets. Mets don’t look goidn

[@theschracken1235]

No if shoto yes bus sevrino is done

[@billywright8252]

Wait till text year. Oh, wait, Stearns whiffed on every big name he went after this year. What in his history says he will do better next year? His small market mindset doesn't scale up. He's a bust. I hope I'm wrong, but as a Mets fan it's always safe to expect the worst, until the bottom falls out and it gets worse. Well to NY, David.

[@benjaminwalters7800]

Long term the Mets have a lot of questions and a lot of bad contracts. Already seen that throwing money on free agents doesn’t work. Many of the recent Mets contracts were overpays that the negative of them being felt. Mets need to develop

[@ARIGROSSMAN]

With this pitcher and right now I see the mets as a 75 win team.. Goal for 24 is to reach 500 then try to go on a run for the first wild card. They need another bat to cover for alonso, another southpaw that can paint the corners.. a controlled sinker ball pitcher to get them at .500../as long as they keep developing the farms.

[@benjaminwatlers1848]

With this team the Mets are going have to win and sweep against the under .500 teams. As you figure a good team like the Braves, Dodgers, Phillies, etc. have a great chance of sweeping the Mets

[@ARIGROSSMAN]

@@benjaminwatlers1848 meta are a below average team.. 75 wins means they are 7 ganes under 500..... With that note they would not be able to sweep last place teams.. Even the best can't sweep below 500's... It's best to not have expectations they can't achieve,, This year 500 is a good goal but it won't be easy.. Not impossible

[@benjaminwalters7800]

@@ARIGROSSMANI was saying sweep last place teams as you would think the Mets this season most likely loose 85% if the games against the Braves; dodgers; Phillies; Yankees, etc the power house teams. If they do that and play teams like the Athletics; Pirates and Rockies and don’t play like .650.-.700 and better against the last place teams they will be so buried that .500 range won’t be possible

[@ARIGROSSMAN]

@@benjaminwalters7800 I understand you. There is no spark in this team.. Not since 86.. There was a little bit in 2000 but that series had no spark.. I've only seen it twice with this team since 69... Lousy owner and deflating the farms constantly... The braves have kept up their farms with a small blip in the mid 2015.. They know how to develop and maintain development... Wilpon never gave a rats ass and I can come up with many examples... I feel the growth potential of the mets is as good as it was back in 68.. You need players that have the desire to win,, not to make money because they will already make lots of it. Greedy bastards. That's why I feel building up in the farms and rewarding promising players when you took them under your wing to be so important.. Realistically I donn't see a win in 24 but the window of pitchers opens after... So that said when the farm teams recover then you can invest in key prospects and free agents once and only once your farms are strong.

[@joshuawheelock8874]

Just to be real. Horrible rotation. Middle of the pack offense. 73-75 win team with the highest payroll in mlb