Do you speak Belgian? Flanders and Wallonia

[@zagadkamisteriya]

I thought Flemish is much softer than standard Dutch. The are pronounced like a soft version of /g/ rather than the is pronounced in Netherlands-dutch. please correct me if I am wrong.

[@MISSlaButterfly]

yes, you are absolutely right

[@krysti1na]

True. I don't like particularly dutch (i mean the sound of it) but it sounds nicer, softer in belgium :)

[@jonnizzik1736]

Ech Echeh: inderdaad. In Vlaanderen spreekt men meestal de ‘G’ vry zacht uit. While in Holland the ‘G’ sounds like sandpaper. Vlaanderen is Zuid-Nederland. Er zijn geen Belgen. Belgije is een cultureel en economies miskraam. Ik vond het pynlyk er te evolueren - zo, ik verliet Vlaanderen. Belgije was nooit myn thuis. In Brussel was ik een vreemdeling. In Amsterdam was ik thuis. Jonn Izzik Jansen in, La Paz - Baja California Sur Mexico

[@andrehuysfromaalterinfland1896]

Your are completely right! The hard "g" of the Dutch I find horrible.

[@Marc.Martain]

@jonnizzik1736 Waar heb jij leren schrijven 🤔 Je bent zelf ook niet echt geëvolueerd zo te zien

[@jackf1841]

There is a terrible lack of respect by the French speaking Belgians towards the Flemish people, so I totally support Flemish independence. Also, because they finance the whole of Belgium (Wallonia is bankrupt). Flanders is modern, northern-European, (with gorgeous cities) while Wallonia is a bit backward, almost eastern European-like. No offence, but the difference is huge. And still, the francophones act arrogantly towards the Flemish. It's funny, because without Flanders, they would be on the same financial level as Greece and would need a buy-out from the rest of Europe. So I say go Flanders!

[@jolondon24]

+Zeno D I don t see where you see a lack of respect from the wallons towards the flemish or the other way around . I m belgian born in the french speaking part and half of my family are originaly from the flemish speaking part (Antwerp) and also from the german speaking part and I m glad I have both cultures . Regarding wallons being almost eastern European like , I don t really see the offence (not sure what you mean about that as I do know many eastern european people and they are not different from anyone I know) and wallons would certainly not be on the same financial level as Greece we live pretty well in Wallonia as well as in flanders . Just think that Flanders without the millions of wallons who spend their holiday on the coast or in Ghent and Bruges and spend their money there , maybe the flemish economy would not be that higher anymore . I love flanders , I love wallonia and the german speaking part is gorgeous and the beauty of our country is that we live together in harmony , we might have different cultures , tv s or whatever but trust me , apart from politicians and a few ignorant radical people belgians feel good together flemish go to relax in wallonia and wallons go to relax in flanders and you can often see mix group having a drink at a terrasse of for my personal history on the beach in Ostende on a terrasse in Liege or in a restaurant in Brussels on a beautiful summer day . What you have just said just shows that you have apparently not a clue of what Belgium really is , it s particularity and it s unity . ;) but hey , every one has a right to it s opinion .

[@dannystoffel3589]

jolondon24 im sorry but he kind of hit the nail on the head. beeing Flemish and having to deal with wallonians is challenging.

[@cyssou98ify]

jolondon24 hoo i love you !!! 😄😄😄😍😍😍😇😇😇 #Belgiumtogether ! ❤

[@Bruce-1956]

The French speakers always refused to speak Flemish/Dutch at work whereas the Flemish speaker would always speak French if neccessary. Usually English was used in meetings.

[@tarnsand]

There are so many Dutch dialects in Flanders. My father spoke only Flemish when he started school. After many years of just speaking English I could ask him how to say something in Flemish and he would know instantly. I found that remarkable. I am very proud as a Canadian to be first generation of Flanders Belgium immigrants.

[@marievandendriessche392]

Tuurlijk spreek ik Vlaams

[@Hollandia777]

Well, I really wouldn't say the "stories" of the both, the Flemish and the Walloons do differ that seriously! They have in a way more in common than, say, dutch speakin' Flemish and the Dutch. (I suppose Belgians know what I'm speakin' about! )). No kiddin'!)

[@vinceturner3863]

I love the rolled r's you hear in Bruges. 'Grote' in the Netherlands is definitely a throat clearance job. Whereas in Flemish its a lovely sound, in my opinion. I love both parts of Belgium and they should celebrate their uniqueness. The whole nation is united in producing the best beer known to mankind. Lang leve Belgie! Vive la Belgique!

[@epinoke]

Les langues romanes, wallon et picard essentiellement, ont été remplacées par le français. La langue est un marqueur social, il était interdit de cracher et de parler wallon dans les écoles. Si des langues ont été opprimées en Belgique ce sont les langues romanes.

[@poppyslocum]

Indeed, the Romance dialects have suffered greatly in Belgium. In fact, they are not discussed in my interviews only because I failed to (in my very limited time) find interviewees to discuss them, as they are now so rare. I can assure you that we did discuss them in some detail in the course these videos accompanied.

[@pknewchanges8453]

poppyslocum you are a rascist because you say THE roman language sufferd. Flanders became from THE germania language learn it good are so Nothing at all

[@jonnizzik1736]

epinoke YOUR FRENCH WAS FORCED ON ALL OF FLANDERS. YOUR FRENCH WAS TO REPLACE ALL DUTCH AND, OR ALL DUTCH DIALECT (Flemish, Brabant or other). I do not care what they speak in Wallonia - I do care that the intend of Belgium originaly to kill off anything that spoke Some sort of Dutch, that looked un-French -needed to be eliminated. Luckily, Flanders survived the evil attempts to kill off Flanders or the Southern-Netherlands. Belgium is never a comfortabel cultural home. Thank goodness they have VOETBAL or soccer, If not that: what is left of Belgium? That funny francophone King?

[@Valandix]

Sure, we are eviI peopIes, aII the middIe cIasses and high cIasses was french-speaking during the XIX Century, that's why we dominate the economy, we invest tons of money of FIemish infrastructures and buissness basicIy to be a bastard. And "Brabant" was aIready a biIIanguaI mess during the Dutch ruIes, basicIy, we can say the same about the dutch. FinaIIy, when I came to visit my famiIy at Ypren, they sureIy says I'm a monster, and a ennemy to duch/fIemish-speakers. (PS : In some pIaces in VIaanderen, they don't caII VoetbaI, but more Iike FootbaII ^^, goddam engIish oppressors)

[@Valandix]

@@Almansur8 Idk, I'm not french

[@jansenepart]

Vlamingen en Walen zullen nooit overeenkomen ! dus: onafhankelijkheid van Vlaanderen is essentieel !

[@jansenepart]

jij hebt een Turkse naam ! ben jij dan Vlaming of Turk ? Als je Belg bent mag je jouw mening uiten over Vlaanderen - als je Turk bent heb je hier niks over te zeggen.

[@jansenepart]

deniz is turkish ! and if you choose to insult me then go back to your own country Turkey where democracy is NIHIL !!! Please stay polite !

[@jansenepart]

Entschuldige bitte if I have ever offended you. I'll go further in English because my German is very essential and poor. When you are born in Europe and a member of the European community than you have indeed something to say. Sie haben hier sehr wohl was zu suchen und deine Meinung zu aussern. Sorry if I should have offended you. Sorry ! On the other hand you must agree with me that the name DENIZ is Turkish ! I must think now on Shakespeare: ' What's in a name?' .... And TURKEY nowadays is a very big problem ! Will Turkey stay whitin NATO ..???

[@jansenepart]

Deniz Tulga hello there! DENIZ means 'the sea' - it is a most common word in Turkish - I don not (as well as you) speak or understand the Turkish language because it is a very very difficult language for us ! I know only a few words. I visited Bodrum and Efeze and indeed Turkey is a very beautiful country part of Europe and part of Asia ! Strategic very important ! If Erdogan wants to make love with Russia ... so be it ! It's a pity though we (the West) do not need Turkey anymore.I Inside Europe there is no place for tirans or absolute power. Democracy and freedom are the values we believe in.

[@jonnizzik1736]

Jan Senepart ER ZYN GEEN BELGEN. BELGIË IS EEN FABRICATIE MET ONDER ANDERE EEN BELANGRIJK DOEL OM GENOCIDE TE PLEGEN TEGEN ALLES WAT NEDERLANDSTALIG ZOU WILLEN OF KUNNEN ZYN. BELGIË FAALDE. WAAROM BESTAAT BELGIJE NOG?

[@severmiu9097]

thanks for the documentary!

[@54veertje]

what an very interesting youtube....... im flemish living in canada for 34 years and i can relate.... many walloons, who immigrated to canada or the states still have the same attitude no matter how long they have moved away... i was a member of the "belgian" club in vancouver, many moons ago and most spoke french although they were from gent or oostende or beveren waas.... just nose up in the air... as if they were embarrassed to be speaking flemish.... and they still think french is more "classy" .., and i do speak french after 2 glasses of wine.... its rusty though... but we got 1 hour french a day in elementary MANDATORY!!!! KONINKLIJK ATHENEUM IN MORTSEL.... Mevrouw Carpentier was the teacher....and yes i think the flemish are being plucked and robbed by the walloons... for years already... they should separate and the sooner the better!!!!

[@guntertorfs6486]

If you dare say that in Belgium , either in public or on Flemish mainstream media or, God forbid , on French speaking media ,you are branded a fascist. Groeten vanuit Vlaanderen.

[@SwissTanuki]

Interesting, we have a similar situation in Switzerland but we don't have any issues

[@guntertorfs6486]

Your country is more confederal in structure. Also the German speaking people in your country are more proud than the Flemish and tolerate less a condescending attitude of French speakers. All that while the Flemish (about 2/3 of the population ) are the economic motor of Belgium, keeping the country afloat.

[@icantpursuewhatimtrulypass7335]

@@guntertorfs6486 we're only a bit over half of the population, don't exaggerate. Also nowadays we are the condescending ones, flemish pro independence people's main argument is taxes. The remains of the original motives, emancipation of our language, have been a façade ever since we stopped being the underdogs of our country

[@guntertorfs6486]

@@icantpursuewhatimtrulypass7335 If you pay up to 10-16 billion Euros every year with a population of roughly 6;5 million people ( the Flemish are still about 64 % of the total population, so more than ' a bit over half ' ) you're still the underdog.Condescending ? How about the French speaking part treating Flemish ( Dutch if you will ) as some option in general education , while French is still taken seriously in it's Flemish counterpart ? The disdain of many French speaking Belgians for the Flemish language still exists. Belgium can only exist because of the goodwill of the Flemish. If the money transfers would disappear, the French speaking part would leave in an instant. So , pretty please , gimme a break.

[@tamaraaelbrecht1718]

Dutch is not a minority since about 60% of us live in Flanders and speak it as a mother tongue. She should really be assamed of giving false information! 😠😠😠

[@stephenbrand5661]

Pretty sure she was saying it’s a minority in Wallonia.

[@9battlefieldheroes9]

She was talking about brussels

[@podavus8156]

I support Flanders over Wallonia. I'm learning Flemish instead of French now. I will be visiting Belgium sometime soon.

[@Valandix]

"Studying FIemish" Or gush, men, I'm a waIIoon (With a 80% fIemish famiIy), you can't just Iearn aII the different diaIects (FIemish is basicIy a diaIect), but good Iuck to you if you want to Iearn dutch, I started Iearning this Ianguage at age 10y, and at my 18y I stiII not perfect to speaking dutch ^^

[@Almansur8]

White solidarity 👍👌

[@emilykeyian3465]

@@Valandix hi I recently learned my family is from wallonia. I cant find much information in english about walloons. I'm from the u.s I'd appreciate some references?

[@Valandix]

@@emilykeyian3465 Hey, I will help you with pleasure to give you some sources of information. But can you be more specific on what do you want to know (History, culture,...) And yeah some english sources(Like the Wikipedia page) are in wrong. Btw, do you know wich Provinces/Counties are you from?

[@epinoke4168]

@@emilykeyian3465 Try this in wikipedia "Wallons du Wisconsin" of youtube "NAMUR WISCONSIN"

[@davidzagrodny9486]

Interesting video. Sadly, the sound quality is disappointing .

[@stephanobarbosa5805]

What's the difference between Belgium & Switzerland in language politics ?

[@stephanobarbosa5805]

I have seen French people accusing the United States of idiomatic imperialism, but France(and Wallonia...) behaves equally.

[@carthkaras6449]

maybe try to do some researches before saying bullshits ? Or to relay bullshits of other ? In september 1819 Wihlem of oranje imposed dutch as the official language of the actual flemish provinces and imposed dutch to acces public employement for all of what is the actual Belgium (including the walloon side). The politic system in Belgium is a proportionnal representation, it mean that the flemish are always in majority... Wallonia for centuries has always been the richest region, seventy-sixty years ago was even one of the most richest region in the world and due to this proportionnal representation, it means than all the money of wallonia has been used to developpe the flemish infrastructures. French was not the language of wallonia, it was picard, Lorrain, champenois. Wallons have not imposed anything to anyone. Walloons have been naïve and now recolt disdain from a large part of flemish, the arrogance of the poor who has become rich too quickly

[@joachimdebie4900]

@@carthkaras6449 This is not true, historically Flanders was more developed (think about Bruges in the middle ages and Antwerp in the 16th century) due to our ports. The only period where that changed was in the industrial revolution, because of the coal mines in Wallonia that enabled rapid industrialization.

[@carthkaras6449]

​@@joachimdebie4900 Let's be factual, Economic prosperity in the Middle Ages was mainly due to having land, agricultural land. The north of Belgium speaks a Germanic language and not Romance because of the lack of interest of the Romans and later the Romanized Frankish elites for lands which were not good for agriculture and which were therefore less protected from the invasion of the barbarians who gradually replaced the Gallic populations of the north. The economic development of the northern region was made through industrialization, especially drapery. The presence of the sea was an advantage to bring wool and other things for their industry from other countries, which is the reason why there was a concentration of wealth in the ports. Having said that, we must not forget that Tournai was the royal capital of the Merovingian dynasty which reigned over Europe and kept a capital importance for the Carolingian dynasty. The principality of Liège has been and for centuries one of the most powerful regions in northern Europe. Liège was called the Athens of the North because it was a cultural center of Western Europe. I could also talk about Dinant and its metal industry. The region of present-day Wallonia has always been prosperous without having the advantage of ports. And its population enjoyed a more enviable fate than most other parts of Europe. Another thing to know is that the poor have a lot of children, the Walloons didn't have many children during the last centuries, it was a huge political problem sixty years ago, the Flemish, or so-called Flemish in the north have had a lot of children over the past two centuries. For example, the genealogy of my father, Walloon, shows that there are only two or three children during generations, the line of my mother, Flemish, of which I cannot go back very far shows that there are four , five children.

[@BladMatyGorella]

Good video, thumbs up.

[@albertodillon]

It's not easy to find a dictionary of Flemish as well Wallon,I hope in Belgium it's easier

[@Leiake2604]

You wouldn't find a dictionary of Flemish or Walloon, because essentially they are Dutch and French. So we use those dictionaries.

[@MrLaizard]

I couldn´t find the cozyword "Sjouke" in the ABN dictionary.....

[@jonnizzik1736]

albert odillon Flemish is a Dutch dialect. WALLOONIAN IS A FRENCH DIALECT.

[@orionlavinmartinez3186]

@@Leiake2604 There is a distinct Walloon language, however, it's nearly extinct.

[@Leiake2604]

@@orionlavinmartinez3186 Still very close to French. Same as most Flemish dialects.

[@raymondfranklin724]

CowboyGaming, hoekom jij spreekst soos dat? Ik bin amerikan met family van belgië en ik heb lief vir alle mijn mense belgiën vlaams en waals. Mijn family walloon nie hatens jullie.

[@totti5255]

De vlaams les op school is heel slecht, en ik weet het ik ben een leerling van Wallonie, ik wil vlaam praten dus ik luister naar muziek en ik kijk naar vlaams télévisie maar ik begrijp nichts

[@stephanobarbosa5805]

Flemish loves german language?

[@NJeremi4h]

Wallonia isn't to the left ! All my friends and familly are to the right. I feel sad when I see the flamingos away from us because many Walloons (as me) have the same viewpoint as them.

[@Wallnaut]

+Ir0n1k True, the socialists are destroying Brussels and Wallonia. And even the Mouvement réformateur is not really pro-business.

[@MrLaizard]

+Ir0n1k What? The Flemings are in vast majority filthy neoliberals and rightwingish basterds...

[@Wallnaut]

MrLaizard Where are you from? All your posts are written in Spanish and German.

[@MrLaizard]

I am Argentine of old austrian and ruthenian stock, and altough I travelled a lot through Flanders and love the place (specially food&beer) I really cannot understand why they are so politically sick at one unbearable extreme, they inconsciouisly weaken what makes Belgium strong, and for me that turns them quite uncompetitive at international stage. One thing is for sure if they keep on that path, it´s all going to destroy them and at the best the Flemings will become a region in the Kingdom of "The" Netherlands (if there is a stolen false name well that´s the one) when they actually should become a Republic reclaiming French Flanders and other historic territories!

[@dannystoffel3589]

MrLaizard i wonder why you only target te flemings sinds you are no belgian

[@dirmanbw336]

15:13 why did he say Turks??

[@54veertje]

because there are so many of them in belgium.... nothing wrong with that.... by now most are 3rd generation and most are begians with turks roots... nothing wrong with that either.... i immigrated to canada in 86 and sold my hold house hold to a turkish family that had just arrived.... i was so excited that they had a whole house hold for under 15 thousand franks.... lol.... i remember to hug the wife and kids... then i wanted to hug the husband and he pulled away and said " nee nee nee"... he was so scared of me!!!!!! hahahahahhhh

[@lynda471]

La langue de notre pays c' est le francais et le walon... Triste entendre de l'anglais...

[@jonnizzik1736]

Belgium was created in 1830 in a military’s coup by the French army and, blessed by the Vatican. With the intend to separate Wallonia - a catholic French dialect (Walloon) speaking part of the then Netherlands. The result expected from the secret break away coup was to destroy or break the economical success of the Netherlands all together. The Netherlands of the 16th, 17th and early 18th century were a busy and succesfull nation. While the Walloon speaking regions were not well integrated in The Netherlands, the regions north of (now called Flanders, were then a vibrant part (Ghent, Bruges, Antwerp, Brussels) of the Netherlands. After the July11th coup, the French army was able include it into what they called La Belgique. It was later baptized to be ‘Les Flanders,’ also a mainly catholic part in the new county: La Belgique. Still hard to digest for the Dutch speaking Fleming was/is- after La Belgique had been fabricated - all education was to exclusively French only. In fact, Dutch was illegal any where in La Belgique. A Protest movement lead by Hendrick Conscience managed te authorities to permit ‘Flemish dialects’ to be spoken in elementary schools;of Flanders. In fact, the real name for Flanders was and, still is: ZUIDELIJKE NEDERLANDEN, (Netherlands South)however, La Belgique did not allow, not recognize that terminology. They also called the language spoken north of Wallonia: an ‘unidentifiable collection of dialects.’ .The early creation of La Belgique set off huge protests, even battles of fighting French military. On July14 (French National holiday) hundreds of French soldiers were fed drunk to be killed with pitch forks - their sleep - by farmers, (Boerenkrijg - Overmere Donk). Only In 1947 La Belgique officially recognized that the Dutch was the official language of the majority (65%) of its citizen. Again, only In 1956 Belgium translated for the first time - after 126years existence - is constitution in Dutch, 65% of its citizenry. Trust, the facts I mentioned - if in doubt, please verify. Flanders and its Dutch speaking population have endured and survived a more than 100 year period of recurring genocide attempts. All this cooking up was done by the French, the Vatican and later (1832) of Germany. The flag of Germany is more than very similar to the flag of La Belqique. In order to have La Belgique recognized by Germany, “La Republique Belge” needed retrofitted into a kingdom: Germany planted its king in Brussels, ‘King-Leopold-Von-Saksen-Koburg I.’ The sooner Flanders breaks away from La Belgique, the sooner justice will be done. La Belgique was never a marriage of convenience, it was an arranged marriage leading to a cultural and economical miscarriage.

[@Valandix]

Oh god, so much misinformation, dude.

[@Discontinuedalready7372]

_This statement is all wrong_

[@karleduard7725]

Belgians talking about genocide... hypocrisy

[@pitbullpowersystems8704]

Groete vanuit Suid-Afrika.

[@animefreak9667]

Flanders is the Netherlands wahahahahahaha.

[@Discontinuedalready7372]

_What?_

[@martiglesias60]

Flemish is not a language, its Dutch! only with little differences!

[@danejohnson4579]

The Flemish people speak a mixture of Dutch and French ...a weird unintelligible Lingo

[@RenegadeVile]

+Dane Johnson We do not. Certain dialects, mostly those near the border with Walloonia, borrow or bastardize French words. No more, no less.

[@tbrown4080]

+Dane Johnson Flemish is a Dutch dialect and not a mixed with French.

[@MrLaizard]

That´s wrong, historically seen it´s on the contrary, Standard Dutch is a dialect from Flemish with a distinctive hollandic influx. Flanders was the most developed and rich region in Europe for centuries as a part of France, then Burgundy, later the Habsburgic Empire and finally under Spanish rule. For Standard Dutch to develop it had first the religion wars to take place (80 Years War), those wars which led to the foundation of the State of the Netherlands in the until then backwardish and poor provinces of the North. Do not forget that during the Spanish Fury (Sack of Antwerp) most of the merchants and rich faimilies from Antwerp fled to what they called New Antwerp, in today´s Amsterdam. They carried a very heavy influence with them since they spoke the brabantic variety of Flemish.

[@jonnizzik1736]

Dane Johnson APPARENTLY - , YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

[@raymondfranklin724]

je trouve le langue flamande pas aisé pour apprendre; mais tout les gens flamande parlent la française pis l'anglais.

[@Luigi1377]

ben je zeker????

[@jonnizzik1736]

Raymond Franklin we speak all 3langiages. Dutch is the closest language tomEnglish. We speak it easy and pleasantly. We neede to,learn French in school to graduate high school, OK. When we visited Brussels -I felt ridiculed. Instead, Amsterdam was my cultural capital. IL N’y a pas des belges. There never were, there never will be: except for great soccer moments . . . Sans l’argent Flamand, La Walloonia pourait pauvre come l’ Haiti. Still you do not want to learn the language of who feeds you. I hope Flanders says Good Bye to younall. You will be better off joining La France.

[@waddewel]

9:27 constitution , jeeeeez

[@jonnizzik1736]

waddewel ;ER ZYN GEEN BELGEN er zyn rare Belgiese momenten -VOETBAL en een droefgeestige Franstalige koniklyke familie . . . That’s it. that is is it. Nothing else but misery and being unwelcome in Brussels as soon as we open our mouth and speak Dutch. By the way: one of the great Belgian lies is: that we speak Flemish. ILS parles le Flamand. ILS parlant la language flamande. These are the standaard lies francophone in Belgije love to overuse. While in fact: our language is DUTCH. Yes, we do speak Dutch dialect. The most common might bevFlemish, but it could be also Brabant orLimburg. -- IL N’ Y A PAS THE BELGES--

[@wafelswafels8613]

@@jonnizzik1736 Ik denk da gij ni welkom in brussel zijt omda ge a mond te ver ope doet.

[@christopherimmanuel3444]

Why don't you all speak English and get over with it. Sigh. Talk about language ruining a country's efficiency

[@jonnizzik1736]

Christopher Immanuel Yeah, we could all speak english - it is so Darn close to our own Dutch .. too easy for us? Yet, as much as I love english II am proud of my Dutch. Its a language that kicks ass. Wees wel and doe af en toe enige gekke dinges . . . Adios!