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DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE SPOILER TALK | Double Toasted - Whether it's a post credit scene, the audience reaction at the theater, or the breakdown of all the spoilers from the movie, everyone's talking about Doctor Strange in The Multiverse of Madness. We did our review for the film this past week but now we're going to dig deep way past any trailer footage or anything that was obvious in its marketing. We're diving deep, and revealing everything so KEEP IN MIND - Spoilers incoming!
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[@mclark2959]

Wanda saying, "good there'll be someone to raise [your kids]" was one of the coldest things put to film in a Marvel movie 😭

[@wilcee238]

That was savage!

[@Lavolpeengreece]

🔥🔥🔥straight bars

[@nailinthefashion]

It wasn't Wanda. That was the Scarlet Witch 🤟🏾✨️

[@afterburn123456]

That was some cold blooded shit

[@keldorthebluemack]

That Bitch!! Excuse me i meant that Witch!!

[@DRoyale1]

I’ve loved Wanda’s MCU character ever since she hauntingly, walked backwards through door after engaging Cap…I always thought she should get the “horror” treatment in the MCU…

[@chimpwimp9407]

Yeah, like Gothica? That walk scared the shit outta me as a kid.

[@GDSprodify]

Facts, At First I Thought That Was Horrible Editing Job but I Learned it Was the Intention Was to Show Show She Alters Reality.

[@dominiquejones3805]

Slept on quick scene

[@alexysspowell9710]

I thought it was interesting that Wanda kept calling Dr. Strange a hypocrite. She said when he broke the rules, he’s called a hero. When she broke the rules, she’s called a villain. But it reminds me of when the Ancient One back in the first Dr. Strange movie broke the rules and drew power from the Dark Dimension. Everyone was mad and called the Ancient One a hypocrite. However, the Ancient One broke the rules to HELP people and not for greed. Dr. Strange did the same when it came to using the Time Stone and when reading the Darkhold. Was it wrong? Yes. But he broke the rules for the right reasons: to HELP people. Wanda broke the rules for greed and selfishness.

[@TheMeloettaful]

I was basically telling my mom this. Everyone did something wrong in order to help the greater good. And between Stephen and Wanda despite him wanting to be with Christine he chose to be the bigger person and put aside his wants to save the multiverse. While Wanda though sympathetic didn't give a damn what happened to anyone as long as she got what she wanted by stealing another Wanda's kids. And obviously we saw what happened to the other Strange who DID DO what Stephen wanted to do, but ultimately failed.

[@xellosmetallium8519]

Excellent summery of the difference between Doctor Strange and Wanda, can't wait for the third film.

[@pmpowalisz]

Let’s not forget that Wanda killed Vision to stop to save half the universe but because Dr Strange gave Thanos the time stone, her sacrifice meant nothing and she still lost Vision. So Wanda did have at least one good reason to be angry at Dr Strange. Also she did destroy the evil Darkhold in every universe (presumably with her life) so don’t say Wanda didn’t do anything huge for the greater good. Frankly the destruction of the Darkhood books out ways the killing of the Illuminati crew.

[@dominiquejones3805]

He can't be with the woman he loves & Wanda can't have her twins....she don't care about Vision

[@kindabatooni9314]

@@pmpowalisz What happened to vision was not Doctor Strange’s fault. Any other reality they would have lost and vision would have died anyway. This was the only way and Wanda has no right to be angry at Doctor Strange who literally disappeared for five years to save everyone. He lost Christine to another man and lost the Sorcerer Supreme title. He’s someone who lost everything as well ( his sister died in front of him and he couldn’t save her, his mentor died and his other mentor betrayed him and stabbed him in the back and tried to kill him, and if they went with the comics then he lost his brother and parents as well ) and he tried multiple times to reason with her but she threw it back in his face. Wanda has killed so many people in Kamar-taj and in other universes as well not just 838. She killed defender strange as well. God knows how many people she killed through different universes while chasing America.

[@ItzMorphinTime22]

I'm glad we finally got the House of M level Scarlet Witch. She was ruthless...I mean ReAsOnAbLe

[@Kay0Bot]

Very reasonable 😁

[@whispr_2ME]

She did ask nicely

[@teddyholiday8038]

Wanda in this film feels like the terminator from the first Terminator film. Such a good villain

[@andim.8788]

That tunnel scene was straight terminator

[@johnnyraven7980]

Same

[@keldorthebluemack]

And Samara from The Ring when she came out that mirror and they were covering up those puddles

[@dominiquejones3805]

The tunnel scene

[@redhood2394]

“Do not talk to me about sacrifice, Stephen Strange” That line got me the wrong way and I think it was meant to do so. Wanda is so crazy and obsessed that she doesn’t care about other people at all. Strange lost his sister, He lost his hands and his profession, he gave up his old life and the woman he loved to save the world, he was tortured by an unspecified amount of time by Dormammu, he died to save the earth from Thanos, and people still give him crap for being an instrumental part in saving the world from Thanos. I don’t think Strange is as tragic as Wanda and she definitely has the most tragic upbringing but I also think If there’s anyone that could’ve understand her it was Stephen.

[@AlphaAceEX]

Well he never told anyone about the sister

[@redhood2394]

@@AlphaAceEX that is true. I’m glad they kept that. Sad it was cut from the first movie

[@ihavenocommonsensebut2008]

Thor could understand her. Lost everything and now it looks like he’s just looking for inner peace

[@blackmcbain3145]

I think black widow had it much worse. Thanos? Thanos watched his whole planet die and he was the last one. Add in the fact that they hint at him being a failed eternal, there is a certain amount of guilt there too. He's my favorite tragic marvel character.

[@fluffychan6000]

Also his sister and hands were not a sacrifice for the "greater good". Wanda had to sacrifice vision to save the world and her children to save Westview. And she has nothing and no one to support her emotionally. So she is alone and gave up her happiness and love twice with nothing to show for it

[@BugsyFoga]

The scene where Wanda’s kid from the other dimension were terrified at the person she became definitely gave off huge spider-verse vibes with what happened to Kingpin and his family.

[@crashingcoyote]

I agree but I also wish there was another vision in that universe that was ALSO terrified of the scarlet witch

[@nailinthefashion]

@@crashingcoyote as a long time Scarlet Witch fan I'm so glad she's getting more development that doesn't include him. Her closest connection for a long time isn't Vision, but Billy. Read Young Avengers and Children's Crusade if you haven't. He keeps her tethered to her humanity when no one else could. Married couples have so many stories to tell that don't include each other if you allow them the time to tell them.

[@MarioUcomics]

Yes!!!! I was thinking the same thing!!

[@ryancraig6675]

@breadstickzzzzzzz probably through magic, but was able to make them real rather than just constructs 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@eatchas]

💯

[@KageVII]

I love Chris's mention of the Illuminati. "Every decision we make will lead to success." Yeah? That whole World War Hulk thing happen like you planned it?

[@rayray6490]

Yea they done him dirty. Hulk coming back for revenge was totally justified. The people turning on the Illuminati was just icing on the cake

[@lewiep]

I did kinda wonder how they didn't even refer to Vision at all. Who was the father of those kids?

[@scottdaniels2500]

My only issue with the movie is from a storytelling and narrative standpoint in that I don't think the movie showed the audience how much the DarkHold was influencing Wanda to make certain decisions. That's the dangerous thing about anybody reading the Dark Hold. It's literally called the "Dark Hold"! At the end of the day it was still her but it was her under the influence of the DarkHold.

[@marksalmoneussorcerersupreme]

Indeed specifically under the "Dark Hold" of Cthon.

[@chimpwimp9407]

That’s true but she didn’t have the darkhold in Age of Ultron and Wandavision. She already had that seed planted in her she just needed a bit more influence.

[@Harlequeer]

@@chimpwimp9407 in age of Ultron you mean where she first became an avenger? The same movie where she watched her brother die?

[@mrstrangeworld5977]

I think they showed how even strange holding the dark hold can be manipulated, showed us that even doctor strange can come under its influence. But I do agree we needed to see more of her being influence by the dark hold

[@slimmike56]

Yea i think the movie got cut down by 45 min so theres probably scenes showing more of that

[@thefalloutkid13]

My favorite part of doc strange 2 is when; America opens a portal behind Wanda and we hear "it's morbin time!" as she's pulled into the portal by vampire hands.

[@davidgeldner2167]

Olsen was actually phenomenal imo she was both terrifying and sympathetic

[@slimmike56]

Best character in the movie

[@luisf2793]

One of if not the best Marvel Villain

[@TheMeloettaful]

Definitely true. For me I was pissed off at and sympathetic for her at the same time. Just watched the movie with my mom yesterday (05-17-22). And I was explaining to my mom that though what Wanda did was inexcusable she did have a reason for doing what she did. Wanda overall was just dealt a REALLY SHITTY hand in life, and it was just a series of unfortunate traumatic events one after the other for her. All she wanted was to just be happy, but it wasn't meant to be for her apparently 😔. I'd like to hope that after she died she was finally able to get the peace that so often alluded her in life.

[@davidgeldner2167]

@@OutsideLookingInSports The Boys is my favorite show. Oh and btw, you’re intolerable and nobody likes people who act this way, ever. I mean maybe at first but eventually everyone gets fucking exhausted of absolutely shitty behavior

[@davidgeldner2167]

@@OutsideLookingInSports Oh and if you ever disrespect me again, I will make you cry. Because when I said that nobody likes people who act this way, what I meant was that if you act this way in person then nobody likes you.

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

I hated how the mid-credit scene undercut the ending of the film. You truly had a horror movie ending of Strange seemingly moving forward with his life, walking down the street with a smile only to curl over in pain and have the 3rd eye appear like a "You really thought it was over?" moment. Then you have the mid-credit scene where life seems to be 'back to normal' only for a magical woman to appear and tell Strange to help fix and incursion only for him to seemingly open the third eye with ease meaning that there must be a gap we'll get in the 3rd film showing Strange dealing with the eye and then being able to control it at will. Really wish that scene wasn't in the credits....

[@georgehernandez2156]

Definitely a marvel thing.

[@gabriellar.8674]

This made absolutely no sense to me. The mid credit scene defeat the purpose of the end of the film. The end where the third eye appeared was supposed to be a cliffhanger in terms of whether or not the dark hold took over Dr. Stranger’s mind but the post credit ruined that cliffhanger! Smh 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@avgnfandon2]

Eh it ain’t bother me, honestly the way it just abruptly ended with the 3rd eye was a bit off putting imo since it just…ended.

[@JamesASharp]

The main problem with this movie is bad writing. ✍

[@vixiestarfire]

@@gabriellar.8674 some people think it’s a set up for a comic where Dr Doom will summon heroes to a battleground dimension and it’ll be avengers vs avengers type stuff. Also Charlize Theron’s character is Strange’s new future love interest

[@H2Zv1]

I really like that the little nod to the X-Men theme from the cartoon they played when Xavier appeared. I too felt bad for Blackbolt as soon as Reed told Wanda about his power it was all over.

[@danieladusei1993]

Thank you black bolt was probably the only who can kill wanda

[@keldorthebluemack]

Reed talks too much!

[@albertojhernandez]

His voice is so powerful yet can’t go through a thin layer of skin?

[@mrstrangeworld5977]

@@albertojhernandez p13

[@hartleeroy197]

@@albertojhernandez maybe wanda thickened his skin

[@ishraqtalukder4518]

4:33 Chris giving a good point that John krasinski does a very good job of showing the character of reed Richards. And on the side note, john’s reed has the most coolest comic futuristic fantastic four suit ever, which I hope if he is mcu’s reed, he’s gotta have the dope suit and hopefully there will be action figures that can make a real dream come true.

[@keijijohnson9754]

It’s surprising since other KZbinrs kept on saying the near-complete opposite about his character. And yes, that suit is pretty dang awesome looking.

[@Taker597]

Single Mom Wanda is hilarious. She got that "I don't got time for this" Attitude. Wakes up after in between universe and was like... I got kids. I got to get home. This is other Wanda's problem. I got a dinner to cook. BYE Wandavision season 2 should be about Single Mom Wanda not giving a fork She's grocery shopping and some mob starts robbing it and she just continues shopping like that's not my problem... Arguing with herself with weighing the pros and cons of being a superhero again... Then, she see an old lady going after her kids favorite cereal and she finally uses her power to get the cereal 1st and leaves with Supermarket in complete disarray. Just really petty.

[@JamesASharp]

Bad and lazy writing. ✍

[@chimpwimp9407]

That would be a cool short film but unfortunately there’s not much to go with it.

[@chaserred4155]

Well if you combine it with Scarlet Witch or possibly more Wandas variants I'd watch it. Call it "2 and a Half Witches"

[@luisf2793]

The Scarlett urban house mom,

[@fernandomayor916]

there shouldnt be a season 2. Wanda is dead and if not she is beyond redemption. Even Loki has good qualities in him.

[@caridadchang7895]

people talk about the horror elements in the movie but I honestly prefer it over the first one for that reason. It gives something different from the rest of the MCU when by the time the first one came out the franchise was already feeling repetitive. If we get more horror elements with this and Blade then yeah, it is something new and it can be a good introduction to horror for kids.

[@will3pr]

That scene where Wanda rips through the Illuminati was not only cold but pretty dark for a Marvel/Disney movie, my whole theater was shooketh😂. I still can't get over how they did both Black Bolt and Reed Richards in a matter of seconds lmao. Sam Raimi said "Fuck em!"

[@cinnabonbons]

Not only did Wanda not give a shit about Vision, the supposed love of her multiverse life, she also didn’t give a shit about her twin brother. Just them imaginary kids.

[@JamesASharp]

Bad and lazy writing. ✍ 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Disney just can't help themselves; they're continuing to shoot themselves in their feet.

[@mrstrangeworld5977]

@@JamesASharp That is not bad or lazy writing I'd like to see you do better

[@JamesASharp]

@@mrstrangeworld5977 Are you SERIOUS?! There are plenty of stories from the comics themselves that are way better than what Disney, oops, I mean Marvel Studios gave to us. Snap back to reality. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@asanitheafrofuturist]

@@JamesASharp for real. how could they have her killing people for imaginary kids that shit is comical

[@egg4666]

I miss quicksilver :(

[@FaceFamous]

Good news is Elizabeth Olsen signed 7 movie deal last week Notice how the blood/ oil from the Ultron bots on Scarlet Witch is like the blood scene from Carry Now we see why Thanos and his crew feared her in Infinity Ear and End Game. Plus Raimi pushed that PG-13 RATING

[@chimpwimp9407]

4:56 Imagine if Benedict said, “No shit, Sherlock” which would’ve been a nice meta joke considering he played said character.

[@keijijohnson9754]

I know right?! That was such a missed opportunity there!

[@thickbrownlegs1859]

The final scene better Strange and Christine just touch me made me weep! I love the emotional parts in this movie. I could not remember the dude with the symbol on his forehead.

[@djwarrior5150]

Illuminati scene reminded me of the beginning of the new suicide squad, everyone that died I just kept saying "no the heart of the team! No the other heart of the team!" And by the end "no the only heart of the team left!"

[@hautedoctor2738]

Alot of reviewers have been questioning Wanda's apparent regression after Westview, where she let go of her conjured reality and family. But remember, the end of Wandavision was ambiguous and she retreated into isolation quickly after so it's not surprising that she continued to seek a way to be with her family. There was no one there to help her process her trauma and grief. Her character experienced repeated loss and trauma throughout her life and the coping mechanisms were always to seek comfort in family, first her twin brother when she lost her parents, then when he passed away there was Vision. She needs companionship but was ignored by the other Avengers when she needed them most, showing they are not friends or family but a utilitarian construct of martial defence. Not saying anyone deserved what she did, just that the villain was in a way constructed by everyone's indifference. This makes the final scene where the other Wanda shows compassion quite heartbreaking. The only other empathetic individual who tried to help her was herself.

[@MM-hf6om]

You make it sound like the avengers aren't a roller coaster ride of tragedy . Everyone had their own ### going on and her loss isn't even unique

[@blackmcbain3145]

@@MM-hf6om everyone had a dead sibling and was used by someone. She seemed self absorbed maniac with no moral base. I was hoping strange would kill her but we have her dying offscreen didn't give us what we wanted.

[@nailinthefashion]

Of course people try to minimize her trauma but her twins were her last vestiges of hope, so as soon as she read like half the Darkhold at the end of WV of course she was too far gone-- she honestly would have replicated Westview but the catch was they couldn't leave the hex. She tried not to actively hurt people and the Darkhold twisted that desire too, had our Strange kept using it I'm sure he'd be more than just possessed by Agamoto. Vision was gone to restore his emotions on a VisionQuest just like the comics, Hawkeye was with his family and she didn't want to interrupt that, literally the only person who's trying to save her is Stephen. Everyone else thinks she should be stopped no matter the cost, even other Stranges would. It sets up Meri being besties with Billy after he's aged up magically or multiversally. Like.. we have so much to take away.

[@hautedoctor2738]

@@MM-hf6om No if that is what I meant I would I have written that explicitly. I'm just saying what it would have taken to stop Wanda from spiralling and seeking comfort from her fantasy and power through the darkhold, and pointing out that level of support wasn't there for her. Wanda's journey has compelled me to look at the Avengers in a new light in terms of the emotional support they offer each other or have the capacity to offer (as pointed out they each have complex lives).

[@hautedoctor2738]

@@nailinthefashion Yes, good to point out Stephen still saw her as Wanda and was empathetic. I like Stephen's character growth is him affirming his value system. For me this is where comic book films really shine when they give the protagonist an ethical conundrum that is solved through a rigorous value system that is tested to the limit. It is easier to vanquish villains than save them. This, for me, was what was compelling about No Way Home, Peter Parker's instinct to understand threats and enemies rather than destroy.

[@oladelefreeman7883]

Wanda /Scarlet Witch was my favorite part of this movie. Her being the villain and being as scary and overpowering as she was took this over the top for me. Her character brings up interesting challenge to how we view morality, in that she had the power to warp reality and not have to accept losses the rest of us have to deal with. Being able to create life with magic is a temptation no one will ever experience, so Her going crazy made so much sense. Also the set up for this was impeccable seeing the progression to madness in Wanda Vision and the full realization of her powers gave us a great MCU villain.

[@kreed82]

Didn't feel like doctor strange movie though

[@fangal12]

Scarlet Witch was a great villain but it essentially undid everything she learned from Wandavision. The show literally ended with her walking down a road of redemption. This movie is like psyche! She's actually worse than ever now

[@kreed82]

@@fangal12 did you miss the last frame where her astroprojected form was flicking through the darkhold whilst her physical for was chillaxin in her crib?

[@fangal12]

@@kreed82 are you implying that this was all darkhold? Robbing her of any agency or characterization? That would make this movie 10 times worse, not better

[@kreed82]

@@fangal12 doctor strange 2? Yup. Wandavision obviously started out as anger from losing Vision.

[@MsSPrescott1]

I think we needed another piece of media with Wanda in between wandavision and this because I get that the darkhold corrupts and temptation and everything but this is such a heelturn for Wanda after that sadly optimistic ending of wandavision. Like it seems like Wanda went form “ok I will process my grief and learn to master my powers” to “PSYCH”

[@chimpwimp9407]

That type of stuff happens in real life so I’m not completely against it. It makes it more grounded in my opinion. It’s a relapse pretty much which I find very relatable.

[@jasoningramx3731]

Yea I think the sad part was that that was likely her original intention withe the dark hold she was gonna read this book to learn more about her powers and herself and what she can do so what happened in west view wouldn't happen again when she lost control. But as she read it the dark hold started corrupting her more and more

[@kingghxstgaming]

That’s why it’s called the Dark Hold it corrupts the reader. Sinster Strange is a result of that.

[@vernonharris9344]

Wanda never did the "ok I will process my grief and learn to master my powers" thing. She went from "I want what I want!" to "I WANT WHAT I WANT AND HERE'S THIS DEVIL BOOK TO HELP ME!!!". That was even shown at the end of WandaVision.

[@gking2709]

A parent will never give up finding their kids

[@Omar-wq9dz]

For some reason, considering Danny Elfman did the score, when the shield slices Hayley Atwell in half, I felt the music right after that sounded like 1989’s Batman, as Elfman also did the score for that film

[@yahmicah4294]

I keep Hearing those notes. I thought it sounded like Danny Elfman

[@poposterous236]

Danny Elfman has had two modes since the mid-90s: the Batman theme and flourishes from the string section

[@nailinthefashion]

@@poposterous236 and most people eat it up. I'm people btw

[@michaeldavis1879]

I realized that Danny Elfman did the score for this movie during the scene when Strange, America Chavez, and Other Christine were running through the tunnel trying to escape Wanda. The music sounds a lot like the Beetlejuice theme to me.

[@courtneydukes2334]

I really like the fact that they had the Professor Xavier '97 psychic wardrobe in the Scarlet Witch's mind

[@GrandeTheftDesperado]

It seems they totally forgot that they mention that Wanda wasn’t fully evil she was corrupted by the dark hold. So that’s their way out, and how they justify her actions. So she isn’t “too far gone.”

[@eduardovillagomez3675]

I hope so, I'd like to see her come back on the redemption train

[@nailinthefashion]

The takeaway should be that the Darkhold doesn't make people evil. It twists desire, your thinking, the justification for things. Go read the Darkhold run from last year if you haven't it was so good, especially Spiderman's. We also saw Wanda absorb the Darkhold so we'll see how that all plays out 👁

[@MuffinMythos]

So… we’re just gonna ignore the fact she enslaved/tortured an entire town of people and has killed the innocent before this??? Yeah no, she’s unredeemable. The Dark Hold definitely made her worse, but she was already a piece of filth before hand. If you go and purposefully murder someone while drunk, you still had it in you to be a monster, you just now have an excuse to avoid the blame. =/

[@nailinthefashion]

@@MuffinMythos alcohol isn't centuries old magic though.. don't use real world logic in a fantasy film. Well, you can, but when she's the reaper and savior of the mutants don't complain. Or do. Doesn't matter cuz she's still ☆the best and strongest Marvel character ever created☆ oop

[@MuffinMythos]

@@nailinthefashion “She’s the best and strongest character Marvel ever created, oop.” And that ladies, gentlemen, and those across the gender’d spectrum, is what we call a scapegoat. It’s when someone who clearly doesn’t know what they’re talking about, brings up stuff that wasn’t on the table before to divert the fact they have actually no argument! =D Anyways, I said nothing about her strength, but yeah, she’s the strongest Avenger. Not physical strength, that would probably go to Thor. But physical strength is NOT everything, and Wanda definitely takes the cake. Physical strength is sort of irrelevant when you’re opponent has the power to literally make all your muscles disappear by thinking it. But it’s good to know she’s clearly your favorite character, because it helps save me the problem of proving you’re a biased buffoon. ;)

[@ahwayzcool4630]

All wanda had to do was just meet another man in her own universe, fall in love again and have some REAL kids.

[@Harlequeer]

That's like saying your mom died? Just get adopted boom everything is fine

[@keldorthebluemack]

@@Harlequeer That's different you can have more children you only get one mother

[@ahwayzcool4630]

@@Harlequeer Huh? Lol. Thats not even remotely comparable. Lol

[@Dommy521]

@@Harlequeer it's more like saying your kids die, then just have more And boom everything's fine

[@musicaleuphoria8699]

Kinda makes me wonder if in the alternate universe, Wanda's father is Magneto. He'd be pretty pissed that a variant of his daughter killed his respected friend, Xavier, and put his actual daughter and grandchildren in danger.

[@gbone1971]

I got a better one. When she killed Reed Richards, his son Franklin Richards will not be happy. If you your comics, Wanda can’t hold a candle to Franklin Richards!

[@musicaleuphoria8699]

@@gbone1971 Or Legion.

[@albertortiz5636]

I loved the horror elements to the movie I think it’s was a bit refreshing for me instead of the typical superhero thing

[@ariwl1]

Thing is just about every major Marvel hero has lost something significant and been forced to give something up to do the right thing. So for me Wanda worked in this film as a response to that. Essentially, what happens when a hero (with a huge amount of power), actively chooses to do the wrong thing. I can be sympathetic to her because she definitely got a raw deal, but everything she does in this film comes across as self-serving and irrational precisely because it is. Now wether or not she can come back and be considered reedemed? I'm not sure. In the comics Marvel has a storied history of writting her into these extreme corners that would make for fascinating character studies...but not knowing how to get her out of them. She may have started on a path back to good here, but I will not be able to take the next project with her seriously if they just welcome her back with open arms.

[@marshallcampbell6498]

lol

[@Vergil14]

i can agree with that because this movie took her to a level most heroes don’t go to. If it’s a progressive return to the good side of things, it would be fine.

[@dominiquejones3805]

We saw Cap take advantage of having the stones. All of them have lost something but it whether they choose 2 b selfish

[@Ghost8386]

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is an excellent, fantastic, wonderful, badass, dark, trippy, and terrifying movie. The music and visuals in this movie were amazing.

[@fashion_fckyou]

Not that level don't lie is meh 6/10

[@Nay089]

Did the Illuminati scene remind anyone else of the show Invincible when Omni Man killed the Guardians of the Globe?? It was so cool!

[@UpwardNinja]

That’s what I thought of too. Hopefully there are more brutal marvel moments.

[@kaibricturner8836]

I’m glad you guys mentioned The Sword In The Stone and the Wizards Duel. Merlin vs Madam Mim was one my favorite moments 😁😁😁😁

[@shinguireXkashley]

I think The MCU will bring Wanda back and give her a redemption arc. If Disney/Marvel can do it for Loki (not a good dude in the slightest) they will certainly do it for Wanda. I think they aren’t done exploring her character and they have to come back somehow to white vision.

[@mrstrangeworld5977]

I agree

[@syazwanmustapah2826]

I would be so disturbed if she gets a redemption arc. Look, I like Wanda, but she was a brutal psychopath in this movie. Not mind controlled, she did all those brutal murders on the people of Kamar Taj and Illuminati without mercy. She could easily incapacitate them. But no, she straight up murders those people. What's worst is, there's some many way she could gain access to America Chavez. She could easily dream walk into one of the earlier universe, "save" America from a monster, gain her trust then steal her powers. If there's a redemption arc for her, that better be a really good one. Her excuse of "a mother missing her non existing children" could only go so far.

[@shinguireXkashley]

@@syazwanmustapah2826 no argument there. Though with the way Disney/Marvel is and how they were ok giving Loki his own arc and show, I wouldn’t be surprised that they would do the same for her. They can use the very weak defense of “well the dark hold made her.”

[@UNFITTED1]

They need to bring her back for when X-men come in. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are Magento's kids. Both were taken to mount wundergore by their real mother.

[@alekesam]

She signed a multi-movie deal. She will be back but like many who posted here, I hope they don't try to redeem her.

[@ShyheemOfTheDead]

Elizabeth Olsen/Wanda Maximoff Was THE BEST Part About This Film For Me, Because She's Basically Done Both Character Arcs In The MCU. She Both Died A Hero & Yet Lived Long Enough In This Universe To See Herself Become This Film's Villain Which I Absolutely Love. Hopefully We Do See More Of Elizabeth Olsen In Future Films. I Honestly Don't See Why Not💯

[@teddyholiday8038]

She’s the best part of it because it’s basically her film

[@ShyheemOfTheDead]

@@teddyholiday8038 Yup That Too💯💯💯

[@BugsyFoga]

I like how genuinely creepy they made her in the film .

[@ShyheemOfTheDead]

@@BugsyFoga Those Scenes Of Her Being Genuinely Scary Actually Scared The Shit Out Of Me.

[@teddyholiday8038]

@@BugsyFoga she’s basically a monster, at a certain point. It’s like a monster movie or a slasher flick with her as the monster/slasher. She’s like the terminator in Terminator (the first film)

[@strykerlegacy2126]

If they do bring Wanda back she should be the variant we saw her take control over that way we can still have Wanda but a much better version of her

[@mrstrangeworld5977]

I think they should keep the one who was the scarlett witch

[@chaserred4155]

We could get a buddy buddy flick or show similar to Moon Knight.

[@strykerlegacy2126]

I was thinking if they made a scarlet witch movie it could follow 838 Wanda as she and her kid try to run away from the x men and inhumans that way want her dead and she could run to the 616 universe to escape and it could include magneto

[@dee8171]

Lmao the kids singing the ice cream song tripped me out too. I was like what actual kids do this? 😂

[@chimpwimp9407]

In every universe, Wanda was with her kids except for one. But with Strange, in every universe he was an asshole. Yet he excepted his fate.

[@Alex__Blocker]

Accepted

[@nuffsaidny]

Mr. Fantastic gets introduced as “the smartest man alive” and then literally tells Scarlet Witch how to defeat Black Bolt.

[@ryri51]

Mr. Fantastic is usually brought down by his severe lack of wisdom.

[@wilcee238]

Smart doesn’t mean wise.

[@brookswilliams5239]

"Reed Richards...the world's dumbest smart guy..."

[@ericng7015]

Smart, but not cunning

[@fernandomayor916]

@@ryri51 except, telling your foe your secret weapon isnt lack of wisdom, thats just plain stupid.

[@SunGawdRa]

I was really looking for Ghost Vision, but he'll probably be in a series.

[@ChowDownDetroit]

Wanda / Scarlet Witch is actually my favorite character. This movie proved that she is the most powerful character in the MCU. I hope she is still alive

[@FaceFamous]

She is, Elizabeth signed a 7 film deal last week

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

Hearing the x men theme from the 90s cartoon in a live action movie is just amazing 😢😢😢. Rip professor X

[@Aesthetickenda1]

When wonder asked Mr Fantastic if his children has a mother. It was savage.

[@TrillyThough]

I LOVE Chavez in the comics. This depiction isn't a character, it's a sentient McGuffin. Hopefully whatever Young Avengers or Champions project they do maximizes her potential.

[@kreed82]

How many movies or stories are they going to need to travel to different universes for?

[@yungc9050]

I think the third eye is the eye of agamoto. When you reach a certain level of power, you get access to that Power!

[@greenman394]

Isn’t the Eye of Agamotto just the time stone? Well at least the empty case the time stone use to be in now.

[@Omar-wq9dz]

I did like hearing the 90s tv show theme for X-Men when Patrick Stewart showed up for the first time

[@oakraidergrl4lif]

When Scarlett Witch pulled that gotcha bitch on Xavier snapping his neck, made me jump one foot in my seat. As for Reed Richards damn. Scarlett turned him into spagetti.

[@Crest28]

The multiverse breaking had LITERALLY Nothing to do with Strange, American Chaves came because Wanda was hunting her yet they blame strange for causing every problem when he literally did nothing. Wanda was hunting Chaves and strange just happen to be in the exact area Chaves arrived in

[@Kay0Bot]

You doubt the logic of the smartest man on earth, Mr. Noodles!?

[@therealsnek8765]

Korey is a variant of Mordo, just a more drunk/high one.

[@thefirstbourne149]

😂😂😂

[@teresaluz975]

The symphony fight between Doctor Strange and Sinister Strange, the use of Bach, it was such a cool scene. And zombie Strange wearing a cape made of demons was awesome. I love this movie so much. I'm a massive Doctor Strange fan and this movie delivered.

[@mikeklamecki7510]

When the Music Match first started up I was like, “Ummmmmm…” but then at the end I felt like applauding. Super creative fight idea!

[@JohnClark-tt2bl]

So what was the 616 Mordo doing all this time? Last we saw him, he was stealing the powers of others.

[@blackmcbain3145]

Drinking after post blip depression

[@keldorthebluemack]

Strange did mention Mordo was tryna kill him not just take his powers

[@wiseguychampia6647]

Thinking more about it. Since Wanda has to the ability to create the Hex in Wandavision and work it in her favor, why couldn't she just do it again on a farm or somewhere where there's no people and recreate her kids all over again??? They weren't real to begin with, what makes her want the real thing?

[@overexposedproductions]

You just broke the whole premise of the film

[@TheKML777]

Because after reading the Darkhold and discovering the multiverse, she knows that there are universes where her kids are real. This is why she's hunting America for her powers; if she could get the real ones, why would she settle for the fakes?

[@wiseguychampia6647]

@@TheKML777 I mean, was it worth it? She became irredeemable in the end. At least recreating the Hex safely, Wanda wouldn't go on a killing spree?

[@justindaniel6370]

I thought evil Supreme strange with the third eye was the main villain and I thought Wanda was going to help Dr strange

[@alexysspowell9710]

Me too. I went into this movie with only watching one trailer and that was what I THOUGHT this movie would be about. But I wasn’t disappointed. Wanda was cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs 😂😂

[@themidnightdrop3503]

I wanna see a what if episode of the Illuminati vs Thanos with doctor strange getting the darkhold and seeing the events that caused him to ask the team to kill him. It would be interesting to see the how this universe responding to Thanos and honestly get more Illuminati action.

[@nailinthefashion]

I think he ended up meeting Sinister Strange and causing that Incursion. Why else would he willingly want to die? He probably assumed he killed a Christine and her whole universe to save his own and couldn't forgive himself. Too bad that same one is prob one that worked with the Illuminati

[@Flounderboy15]

Wanda is definitely not dead. While the rubble was falling, there was definitely a flash of red energy.

[@FaceFamous]

And Professor X wore the same outfit he did in the cartoons along with the chair and music

[@MrCantfindanynames]

My girl Scarlett Witch was offing everybody, my goodness 😳... She was a straight horror movie! I really liked the movie, it's so crazy how Marvel can make movies that's all about heroes and Villains but they are soooo freakin different

[@anthonyleach7608]

I was kind of surprised that vision is not there. Wouldn't he be as significant to her as the kids?

[@c-bee2904]

I just don’t want to hear “marvel never does anything new” after this. This was crazy and I’m glad Marvel let Raimi do his thing even if I had to sit through that cringe kids singing for ice cream scene. Edit: Do note that the stingers have always been about “business” the first ever MCU stinger was Nick Fury and though some may have known him I don’t think the majority knew anything about the character other than the actor playing him.

[@pookiesis1465]

I know it waz cringe,but kids are cringe sometimes.

[@c-bee2904]

@@pookiesis1465 agreed lol

[@RT2020HD]

Only scene that bothered me, really wasn’t necessary or needed for the story at all. If you’re going for that emotional beat, just have them look at Wanda and say that they love her, reinforcing her motivation and emboldening her actions. Don’t make those poor kids try and sing about ice cream to be cute, because it really wasn’t and it was the only scene that genuinely took me out of the movie. Just imagined being on set for however many takes it took to get what actually made the cut. The cringe was real, and if they do make a director’s cut I would appreciate its absence after the amazing possession sequence that came before. Just a massive tonal shift that severely under cut the effectiveness of the visuals prior

[@c-bee2904]

@@RT2020HD well if they make a directors cut you’d prolly get more scenes like that. Extra cheese is a Raimi thing.

[@rando3086]

I love how this actually follows horror movie structure a bit. The main flaw in our lead (Strange’s arrogance) is what gets everybody else in the movie killed. Illuminati were VERY full of themselves when Strange warned them about Wanda, only to get massacred.

[@joshuabullock358]

Did no one else notice the hairy wart on here face I was staring at that joint the whole wedding scene 😂

[@mcnooj82]

it’s wise to not have Vision in this movie simply for the sake of streamlining this simple plot especially since these movies are ALWAYS made with the awareness that not everyone watched every Marvel thing In a movie already filled with exposition, Vision would require a lot more Vision’s presence would complicate and take away from the simplicity of Wanda being a full on villain chasing Strange and America

[@415Dwilliams]

The way this movie was written and the run time, they didn't have time to deal with the Vision situation or include all of those ridiculous cameos that never happened. I am curious which show or movie will pick up Vision's story though.

[@bronzetiger6360]

It still required you to have watched WandaVision, or you won't know WHO the hell the Kids are☝.....So yeah, the Vision absence was lacking.....(Who "Fathered" the multiverse kids? Why?) I really enjoyed the movie but, those questions Needed to at least be asked.

[@mcnooj82]

@@bronzetiger6360 I don't think so. The movie introduces Wanda as someone who has an intense connection to her children... and shows that it's a dream... that is later explained to be connected to the multiverse. And shortly after shows us that she's someone willing to access the multiverse to get real versions of those same kids. For the purposes of this single movie, that's enough to establish her motivations for resorting to such extreme measures. We don't need to know who the kids are beyond being Wanda's fixation. All that matters is that they're sweet kids that love their mom. What more do you need to know? Even the very brief mention of Westview is specifically brushed aside by Strange to focus on the main plot. A mother doing whatever it takes to get her kids back is a very straightforward motivation that doesn't require watching WANDAVISION at all to follow this movie. It only matters if one feels entitled to have seen every past movie/show explained by the next movie. I know some people watch media that way, but I don't respect it hahahah Even the introduction of Wanda into the movie is contextually set up by Strange being told that the monsters are based in witchcraft. So he goes to see a witch he knows. That's not all that different from FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING having Gandalf visit Saruman for guidance/help regarding The One Ring. And like Wanda, Saruman is quickly revealed to have darker intentions in his first scene. I know that Tolkien's source material has all sorts of additional details about that relationship, but for the purposes of Jackson's first LOTR movie, I felt he provided exactly the context anyone uninitiated needed to know in order to follow the movie. We don't need to have read all of LOTR or Silmarillion in order to understand what's happening (at least I didn't need to back in 2001).

[@bronzetiger6360]

@@mcnooj82 She DIDN'T KNOW WITCHCRAFT....until the series. My normal Marvel fam haven't wanted to see this one yet(for Free at that) because they are confused. Sure it can still be enjoyed, I feel, without watching WandaVision, but it was WandaVision that made many people WANT to see this( judging by the Hundreds of posts I've read from various channels). She was considered "A Rock Star" after WandaVision......that box office AND the 7 pic deal she recently signed, confirms it.

[@mcnooj82]

@@bronzetiger6360 well if they’ve seen Wandavision, then they don’t have a problem!

[@a.f.watcher8888]

Rumor is Krasinski May play the main Mr. Fantastic and possibly direct the FF.

[@biguy617]

I hope so

[@keldorthebluemack]

Nah thats John Campeas theory 🤣

[@a.f.watcher8888]

@@keldorthebluemack Mikey Sutton actually. 😜

[@Nexils]

I also couldn't help but notice how the kids walk towards the danger to get to their mom. I think there is another hallway in the back to reach the kitchen, but instead they go around the most inpractical and dangerous way to get to her. The kids were really weird and Wanda probably could've found other kids in a universe where she just/recently died, so she could just take that body and be their mom like that.

[@chimpwimp9407]

Also, what’s with the Caps with their chimp strength thinking they can fight borderline gods?

[@sublind4225]

The part that bothered me was when they stepped on the sidewalk and it said "see your memories now for 50 percent off"..... they didn't pay, and it showed them their memories anyway! I enjoyed the movie though 👍

[@wilcee238]

They’d send them a bill like a toll road

[@sublind4225]

@@wilcee238 how? There is only one America Chavez and I don't think she was from that universe, and doctor strange in that universe is dead 🤷‍♂️

[@wilcee238]

They don’t know that. Just like when you use a toll road they don’t know if your car is stolen or your license expired until after you pass.

[@CarAmeL624]

I really appreciate this review. I loved Wanda as a character by the end of Wandavision and was eagerly anticipating her redemption. After watching the movie I was disappointed but your discussion today made me see that this path makes complete sense. It is hopefully a tragic end to a character with a tragic backstory

[@GoldieSC]

Loki can enslave people and he's loved for it, but Wanda has to go full mass murderer and now people are done with wanting to see her again. That sucks.

[@Harlequeer]

@@GoldieSC right?

[@namejeff9757]

@@GoldieSC its the way they're written. Loki is a mass murdered but is written as pretty comedic and entertaining while Wanda plays it off pretty serious which most MCU fans might not like given how much comedy all their movies have.

[@Mateocabrera2389]

@@namejeff9757 or just sexism. I get that it’s become a tired accusation but double standards exist

[@namejeff9757]

@@Mateocabrera2389 I mean I'd argue that maybe its sexism in the part of the writers/directors considering how they write female leads/villains vs male leads/villains. It's very rare to see a major female character be funny or super charming in the MCU so when you see a character that will not be as likeable as its male counterpart do stuff as violently without remorse I can't really blame the audience for not gravitating with her as much as they would with loki because even if he is a horrible person he is fun to watch you know

[@astarr3867]

Listen.. The way Mr fantastic dies is the stuff of nightmares. I keep replaying that pop in my head....😳

[@savageshot3723]

"When you smoke like me, when you get laughy/goofy/stupid shit... you are! In the multiverse of madness" LOL I just became a huge fan of you my dude!

[@afroallura3791]

If you’re still questioning whether a character can be redeemed after committing terrible deeds: Loki.

[@rejector7126]

I personally think Ioan Gruffudd should’ve come back as Reed Richards in Multiverse of Madness and save the John Krasinski one in the MCU Fantastic Four movie

[@wilcee238]

Exactly

[@yakuza01]

only if he got to take a look at a picture of Captain America from the universe Strange came from and go "you gotta be fucking kidding me!"

[@RetroSho]

Doctor Strange getting the eye is like Goku in DBZ going Super Saiyan. It's the true Eye of Agamotto. 👁

[@Hickory958]

*hiding under the bed together* "The warhead just sat there. 2 feet in from our faces." "We kept thinking 'This is it. This is gonna set it off.' And . . .Nothing." -Nesquick "We *waited Three. Days.* for Tony Stark to kill us" -Wanda Sykes

[@HorseJoint]

Whenever they let the full intro play out. You know it's gonna be a good episode.

[@RodrequezRobinson2001]

Man I absolutely love this Doctor Strange movie, I can't wait to see the Fantastic 4 and Xmem, because the way they had Wanda killing people, that scared the hell outta me,....What Mouth.From the depths of Shaolin the MCU strikes again

[@Whitegir]

My favorite marvel movie by far

[@nobodyspecial675]

Mah mam, I love the X-Mem.

[@Montesama314]

You know who's the toughest character though? Wanda from Earth 838. She got a limp. Nearly drowned, got trapped in her own head as her body was attacked by her world's strongest heroes. Wakes up IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MULTIVERSE NOWHERE... And she just goes, "Well, back to my kids. Gotta make dinner."

[@andriygriffin4782]

You think about it, Wanda is Sam Raimi remaking Doc Ock from the best superhero movie ever, Spider-Man 2. While the hero (Strange/Parker) has to learn to ultimately make the personal sacrifices to keep other people safe, the villain after suffering grief and loss goes down a dark selfish path where they will allow nothing to stand in the way of their dream, until they are faced with the reality and redeem themselves by sacrificing their own lives. "To do what's right we have to be steady and give up the thing we want the most, even our dreams."

[@commanderstarstrider7176]

I’ve been enjoying you guy’s reviews more and more over the past year. I think this channel my new number 1 for reviews now. Keep it up.

[@lakeem946]

I'm thinking the next phase is heros in universe 838 coming to get revenge for what Wanda did. I feel they wouldn't kill all those characters who have connections to other hero variants for nothing. That's 5 groups of heros you can use.

[@Velociraptour]

That musical notes fight reminded me of the Bolero scene from LEGION but they used the notes to build a shield instead of as projectile.

[@donschamun273]

If Wanda had just dedicated herself to finding a universe where she was dead but the boys were alive, everyone would have busted their ass to make that happen. I wish Chadwick Bozeman had lived to be part of the Illuminati. Charlize Theron as Clea almost makes me forgive Marvel for not casting her as Carol Danvers.

[@Independent365]

I feel a great amount of sympathy towards Wanda...Scarlett Witch on the other hand lol...

[@jimmybatalitzky]

Well Wanda def ain't dead considering Elizabeth Olsen signed a new 7 movie contract so she's def coming back but can they redeem her is the question. She's done terrible things in the comic's as well but they also found ways to redeem her but as far as the movies go she has to do alot to be redeemed in my eyes atleast.

[@yakuza01]

probably as the good variant that Scarlet Witch possessed?

[@danielortizrants7209]

Funny y'all spoke about catching an epileptic seizure. Someone at the theater I went to caught one and they had to pause the movie until they got him help.

[@gking2709]

Wanda making black bolt blow his own mind blew my mind

[@SupaSayinSkitch]

4:15 thank you for stopping him lmao I'm like the Horror began long before that. Scarlet witch getting into people's heads and murdering a whole temple as a "reasonable" action. Hell at the latest, the reflection scene was when I first legit near pissed myself 😭😭😂😂😂

[@TimeMakerMan]

Love the fact that these smart people underestimated Scarlet. This movie was that crazy I have to go see again

[@thetrynes]

Smart and wise are different. If it was Captain America, it wouldn't have went down like that. Reed is known to be cocky. Even Black Bolt had a cocky smirk on his face .

[@afrinaut3094]

Btw the movie addresses Corey’s so called plot holes. Fist, in the movie Wanda says she will travel to other worlds if one of her kids gets sick. That line implies that Wanda is not going to stop even if she gets her kids. Second, America Chavez states that she is the only one, there are not other versions of Chavez in the Multiverse. This pretty much confirms that there are not infinite versions of all people in the multi-verse. There are plenty of dimensions where there are no Wanda twins. It’s cosmic randomness you’re not gonna be able to get everything you want. personally I like America Chavez‘s performance, yeah they don’t give the actress a lot to do but that makes sense because she is a vulnerable child. She isn’t one of these “super kids” which is a problem with a lot of writing when it comes to fictional characters across genres. Even though she’s a child and she cannot control her powers, through her mannerisms and little droplets of character, it’s pretty obvious that she has courage. And I thought the child-writing was really good because of that. I feel like Chavez and Doctor Strange have chemistry, but it was just written incorrectly? Doctor Strange has been shown in the past to be a very closed off person especially to children and young people. But I feel like with all the things that they went through Chavez should’ve been like an adopted daughter to him. Like I thought she was going to be his apprentice at the end of the film and get a big hug or a pat on the head. This is post Spider-Man Doctor Strange so I imagine, even with the forgetting-spell there would be some paternal instinct still left in him.

[@All_Hallows_End]

Did anyone else notice The Living Tribunal during the Multiverse jumping scene?

[@ozonemedia767]

Wanda was like Omni man in that scene

[@PetePuebla]

This could have been really good but there wasn't a buildup of her character to allow her to become such a villain. And they didn't give enough to convince us that Wanda was changing into a villain. If she had a progression and things that affected her not having children I would have bought her reasons for being so evil.

[@andim.8788]

But think about she was the reason of the movie civil war remember and she was the BAD GUY in Ultron and Wandavision and she was killing Thanos with no remorse and she kill d that lady in infinity war

[@cypher160manny2]

wandvision kinda built up that she was losing her mind

[@PetePuebla]

@@cypher160manny2 that's true but for her to go off the rails? She knew she had a problem at the end but she got to thr point where she'll murder to get her way.

[@dragin1601]

@@PetePuebla the dark hold is too blame

[@PetePuebla]

@@dragin1601 true.

[@danwilliams1989]

A thought occurred to me about this movie. Wouldn’t it have been better to make Sinister Strange the main villain behind all the monsters going after Chavez? Like you could still have Wanda in the movie helping Strange and Chavez at first but over time, Sinister Strange would be using his string-pulling to tempt Wanda into using her powers to turn on Strange and Chavez just to get her kids back

[@TraGamer1606]

Chris monologue at 25:07…..amazing

[@simonsez5198]

Wanda was a magical Karen in this movie.

[@biguy617]

She had her good moments. She joined the Avengers willingly and she had the best fight against Thanos in Endgame.

[@cwjohnson1356]

There are 800 🌎 Earths it doesn't make sense to limit the choices buy only following one story line if you don't understand the concept read the comic books It was ment to kill off Hero's and bring back Hero's with different stories

[@thefirstbourne149]

I think these are the best directed kids he's ever gotten, but that being said, one of those kids was the younger version of a very troubled character in Haunting of Hill House. He was already bound to be one of the better child actors in a Raimi movie, but only because that he almost got classically trained by a guy who did know how to direct kids.

[@lawrencekassab1226]

Strange giving the Time stone is what resulted in Thanoa killing Vision