Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness: Possessed Wanda a MURDERER?

[@vol6brianna]

stephen mentioned in doctor strange 1 that he has a photographic memory so even though the darkhold was completely destroyed across the multiverse, he can still remember those spells which makes sense that he still ended up being corrupted with that third eye at the end of the movie

[@Philbythelake]

Good catch!!!

[@AirbenderHawk]

Indeed!

[@daveythesearcher]

Absolutely ...I seen people knock the first movie but it's one of my favourite marvel movies the substance of it like imagine if we had multiple Dr strange origin stories like Spidey it would drive us mental. Both Benedicts need to remain.

[@publicenemygelo6204]

That’s actually brilliant, but the writers at marvel are stupid 😂 so idk if they thought about that. But that’s a great idea tho.

[@munc90]

Actually eye on head doesn't mean corruption. In comics it means sorcerer was powerful to open eye of mind and they called eyes of agamoto.

[@TheAmbientMage]

"We need to do something about Wanda" - Results in House of M "We need to do something about Hulk" - Results in World War Hulk I believe it was Cap who said something along the lines of "Any time someone tries to solve a problem before it starts, it always ends up becoming a problem."

[@uraveragepianist7566]

“Every time someone tries to win a war before it starts, innocent people die.” Great quote and I see how it relates to this

[@Omashu2425]

He actually said: "Everytime someone tries to win a war before it starts innocent people die."

[@mighettoo1548]

"We need to do something about Thanos" - Results in Age of Ultron

[@swanaung8890]

Chad Cap

[@bharath8607]

@@mighettoo1548 blame puny stark , glad he died

[@unorthodoxbox]

It wouldn't surprise me though if the heroes of the 838 universe (unaware of Wanda's actions at the end of MoM) wanting to avenge their loved ones potentially travel to the 616 universe potentially kickstarting a multiversal war.

[@Nightwing-es2wf]

That actually sounds pretty cool and interesting

[@theilluminatibenefactor]

This could set up a Secret Wars thing?

[@kangtheconqueror9545]

That could cause an incursion which would put their universe in jeopardy. I doubt they do that just for revenge.

[@Nightwing-es2wf]

@@kangtheconqueror9545 I don’t think they know. Since the illuminati is a secret group and the other heroes don’t know what would happen if they travel through the multiverse

[@chickamtion521]

@@Nightwing-es2wf mordo is still alive

[@Stellie3341]

I don’t think Wanda will be blamed. I think 616 will. I think the descendent of Reed Richards, Nathaniel aka Kang, will hear stories of his great great something grandfather being killed because of multiversal events and the heroes of 616 that jumped universes. And he will either want to tame the universes out of revenge or start pruning universes to find the one that caused so much destruction.

[@jelaniwashington602]

😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

[@owlcircus6811]

That implies a time paradox and I think the mcu wants to deliberately avoid those

[@sayansaha155]

@@owlcircus6811 well, that can also work as a Kang variant that the he who remains variant met in Loki series. And even if he who remains is the same Kang variant whose ancestor was Reed of earth 838, the place where he who remains exists is outside of the multiverse. So it can work.

[@buckethead60]

Captain Carter in What If: "I can do this all day" Captain Carter in MoM: "I can do this for a moderate amount of time"

[@BrandonJames2016]

Captain Carter in MoM: I can do this half the time get it half 💀

[@bnaynay5810]

: I can only do this a short time and then i have to split

[@abuqatadah03]

“I can do this for as long as the budget allows”

[@ellehcim2779]

I am so dissapointed with their deaths. Was excited to see captain carter and reed richards

[@p1exieglasses160]

It’s a good joke. It’s a great joke even. But I’m gonna need you to stop anyway. 😭

[@deeya]

The Darkhold isn't the magic, its just a copy of inscriptions carved into the mountain temple, *for* the dark magic. Like the Infinity Stones, only a physical representation was destroyed, the power is still very much there. As shown by Strange's 3rd eye. Also someone mentioned that Strange has an eidetic/photographic memory. He so totally remembered that book by now.

[@culinaryg]

P

[@surendraniyer1944]

Exactly! No use of Wanda's sacrifice

[@FlyingPenguin196]

@@surendraniyer1944 Unless Strange decides to rewrite the darkhold, Wanda’s death(?) wouldn’t be wasted since there’s no darkhold to corrupt anyone else.

[@saimanawaz515]

@@FlyingPenguin196 doctor tsrang didnt read all of the darkhold he just used it to dream walk....he dont rememer anything

[@blaquephyrekendra1779]

@@saimanawaz515 he has a photographic memory

[@bigrandomun9267]

If you rewatch Wandas demolition of the Illuminati at 0.75 speed, it’s so much scarier. Seems more emotional and more devastating.

[@tediibilog]

I can't wait to watch it in 4k

[@ajnunez8788]

@@tediibilog why not just watch it in imax….

[@femmemelle6714]

I want to watch it on cinemas but sadly it's banned in Qatar like wtf.

[@monokumasussy9685]

@@femmemelle6714 I think it’s because in the movie America Chavazhas two moms, so it got banned in some countries.

[@kangtheconqueror9545]

So technically Mordo could use the time stone to undo all their death's.....but he won't desecrate reality.

[@mrseptember7367]

no....mordo 616 is the one who refuse to interfere with any time related magic "because the bill always come due"

[@ethandavis3479]

@Mr September why do you assume that 838 mordo thinks different

[@tyresewilliams7009]

@@ethandavis3479 well there’s no reason to believe they would

[@delongtsway953]

There’s no reason they would think the same.

[@Atom85825]

@@tyresewilliams7009 because mordo said he would do the same as dr strange would to protect their universe and the multiversr, in which i believe would be to not use the time stone, since strange only use it for last resort, and that it is known that the use of just the time stone is enough to hypothetically make the incursion happens so unless the stake was not high, theres no reason mordo would want to use the time stone

[@thekidzcantfathom]

My feelings for Multiverse of Madness may be similar to Age of Ultron in the sense that those films had major payoffs later down the line with their respective sequels. Depending on how well Marvel Studios executes the next handful of major crossover events, Multiverse of Madness will be more respected due to results given in later phases of the MCU.

[@martinisholt7052]

Facts. It also puts more significance on the Disney Plus series to come to help story build and set up the next few movie plots.

[@yoursonisold8743]

Or you can just like it. Age of Ultron wasn't a bad movie by any means, but MoM is like way more competent and stylish and entertaining all on its own.

[@deathsyth8888]

It's crazy how the Celestial Arishem the judge looked at what Wanda had done in the 838 Universe and said "I'll allow it." before popping back into his pocket dimension.

[@J1283-s1k]

When did he do that, please?

[@ZeusGamingAOM]

@@J1283-s1k He's probably assuming that's what Arishem did, as he did not once intervene to stop any of Wanda's destruction.

[@J1283-s1k]

@@ZeusGamingAOM Thank you!

[@ZeusGamingAOM]

@@J1283-s1k You're welcome

[@nailinthefashion]

He was prob too busy getting absolutely rotisserie chickened by the Beyonders

[@JoeEnglandShow]

Yeah, the end of Days of Future Past couldn't possibly have led to Logan. Logan is set in 2029, and it's stated that no mutants had been born in 25 years. But the "present" that Logan returns to in the end of Days of Future Past shows mutant teenagers thriving in Xavier's school. It's got to be a divergent timeline.

[@CentralggK]

It probably won't go this way but secret wars MCU or house of m MCU could be the universes 616 and 838's conflict based solely off what happened in MOM

[@FireJach]

In the comics Ultimate World and 616 were fighting because both worlds were very meaningless for the readers

[@TGX20z]

Dont think so unless the universe is brought over before wanda killed them all because u thunk theyd miss out on prof. X

[@savvysearch]

One thing on Wanda’s side. This universe is well-aware of Earth 616 and the threats of multiple different versions of Dr. Strange. So theyre probably knowledgable enough to see “versions” from the multiverse as separate people, rather than the same.

[@julian5742]

But aren't all that knew about strange's corruption dead? It was a secret that they killed strange on Titan, they made that statue and said he died a hero. They killed strange and now they're all dead by Wanda's hands...

[@highq9039]

Imagine massacring a bunch of super important people then having to explain to the authorities that it wasn’t actually you but a variant version of you who possessed you using witch craft from another dimension…… and say they accept that are they suppose to just let you go in hopes the other you doesn’t have another killing episode via you? 😭😮‍💨 very odd situation.

[@nourellecalam6805]

very "that wasnt me, that was patricia" vibes haha . but yeah, they wont let that pass very easily.

[@savvysearch]

It seems like they’re monitoring 616. It’s certainly on their radar. So they probably might get word that 616 Wanda is “dead”

[@enightc]

its a world with mutants, inhumans, superpowered humans like Photon, Magic in the public eye, it will be accepted without any difficulty. It wouldn't be the first time they had situations like this.

[@jonathanyee4633]

Can you please talk about how the disappearance of Darkhold in every universe is a way bigger nexus event than what Sylvie did?

[@steveyj3002]

Hell I enjoyed scarlet witch dropping bodies like the Undertaker in his prime 🤣

[@melindawhitehead935]

I feel like The third eye isn’t a curse. He healed his inner trauma, literally battling his demons, became enlightened, and was able to access his third eye.

[@LE_Gaming12]

I don't think so, remember Sinister Strange. He's being corrupted by the dark hold.

[@dibbyarupdutta30]

Darkhold leaves a mark on everyone who touches it. For some people it's a third eye and for others darkening of fingers (ex: Dr.Strange 838, Wanda)

[@makethemsin9047]

Would love to see a video about theories how much Kang, specifically current ruler of the TVA Kang relates to current MCU events post-Loki. How much is 'madness' and how much is being manipulated as part of a larger Kang plan? Presuming he is the over-arching big baddie of the narrative going forward!

[@pilot8220]

Yeah, I wanna see where he fits into all this

[@DeeFromOakland]

Yes!!!!!!

[@MiloMurphysLaw]

Oh yeah, I didn’t think about the fact that the ending with the giant Kang statue means that he is still in control of the TVA. So, theoretically, he could prune any timelines that would lead to him being defeated.

[@jameshughes5714]

Kang was lame

[@FireJach]

Just wait for Loki 2 and Antman 3 XDDDDDD

[@MindNumbingInc]

To throw my two cents out there: What if the remaining heroes of 838 are informed of Wanda's possession by herself from an alternative universe, thus sparing further headaches for that world's Wanda. But due to what transpired and with the knowledge of alternate universe being known, heroes of Earth 838 travel to 616 to track down the Wanda responsible (Scarlet Witch). Thus stirring up more multiverse problems all the while on the flip side, we see that White Vision has reunited with Wanda after a possible journey to find and understand himself after having his memories unlike and what unaware of what transpired and Dr. Strange, who was there for everything, stands with Wanda but mostly for his universe sake because a battle between realities could play a major role in another possible incursion that would wipe out both respective worlds (maybe Kang has had his hands on the reigns behind these events).

[@piko3058]

Props to the writers and director for this amazing movie. Its no joke to combine past movies and link them together then share the ideas with the people working for these movies.

[@jakeallen6967]

Can we explain the fact that 838 universe didn’t go through 5 years of trauma with everyone disappearing because thanos was killed before reaching earth to get all the stones?

[@Puremad_]

What is there to explain...?

[@jasejyy]

even more, i bet there are so many universes where the snap lasts forever; not only 5 years…

[@daveythesearcher]

@@jasejyy that makes sense

[@Bbistheman_]

@UCIghUV7jdschk1zci3GcJjA he didn't get the time stone and therefore didn't get6 the mind stone. Those were the last 2 he got

[@josearmando726]

Not only that but the Ultron program was successful, their Captain Marvel was on Earth and they had Mutants and Inhumans. Not to mention the Fantastic 4.

[@hyewonlovebot]

Just imagine little Franklin headhunting Wanda for killing his dad lmao. I'd pay for a full battle sequence between those two.

[@UrsaWarrior95]

I like to think how Wanda grated Mr. Fantastic to strands is what Thanos (if not for his innate durability) could've been when they fought in Endgame.

[@JordiVanderwaal]

Can't wait to see more of Wanda. Both the Earth-616 version and the Earth-838 version.

[@ryancrawford7611]

is the 616 version still alive ?

[@brianm3160]

@@ryancrawford7611 definitely

[@anmolshoral]

@@ryancrawford7611 MCU RULE - If u don't see their body don't consider them dead..........and this Rule doesn't apply for Loki.......He comes back anyway 😂

[@thedeathgod1995]

Imagine after 838 Vision was destroyed by 838 Superheroes and the kids were erased, 838 Wanda hunt down 616 Wanda and say "You took everything from me" xD

[@Geilo-cc3nv]

But I NEEED to know more about 838 Wanda

[@luisponce3238]

I feel like this movie have added more fuel for a potential Avengers: Secret Wars movie and if it's true, I'm totally hyped for it

[@baylorgirl2013]

I'm concerned for Universe 838. They have lost most of their high-level super-powered leaders in 1 day.

[@kellz9972]

Nah. this universe still has some heavy hitters. it just lost the ones who were too arrogant for their own good.

[@gl0wcat]

If you opened the floodgates of X-Men then the members shown of the illuminati are not even close to omega level combined, Xavier is like gandalf, though he is very powerful his greatest power was to inspire others.

[@MiloMurphysLaw]

They might not be the most powerful characters in that universe, but the Avengers, the X-Men, the Inhumans, and the Fantastic Four all lost their leaders. And Captain Marvel died too. Mordo is still alive, but that universe also lost their Doctor Strange, and the Ancient One specifically said Doctor Strange was supposed to be the best sorcerer. So they are left without a lot of the key characters that are supposed to be the leaders of their respective realm.

[@JohnSmith-bq6nf]

If Reese has his son in that universe he could body Wanda himself.

[@gl0wcat]

@@JohnSmith-bq6nf reeds son was born with power surpassing the infinity stones and cytorrak etc. Absolutely bonkers

[@splendidninja1378]

This is a really good take. Considering how vigilant the Illuminati was to kill Dr. Strange because of his perception of a multiversal threat, I think it makes sense that. After the events of MoM, those remaining in the 838 universe would come for Wanda with that same energy. The "How" would be the question.

[@juzkickback3117]

perfectly said

[@BeauHenri]

Dr. Strange: You created your children from magic Wanda: Isn’t that what every mother does

[@mindlandscape5767]

I love this line, pure gold!

[@deanospimoniful]

Someone skipped health class.

[@futurerecon8930]

Biology is science not magic

[@HarshRaj-qy1hm]

@@futurerecon8930 how do you explain origin of free will then? It's magic, as it can't be explained

[@ellehcim2779]

Honestly I think my mom wont sacrifice people's lives for me

[@danduffy3082]

This is why we need books or something set in the MCU that can expand on stories and characters in the movies.

[@ral7458]

Completely agree. Like Star Wars. They have canon novels and comics.

[@hellow4130]

That’s what the Disney+ shows are for.

[@CalebJacobs1981]

Apparently Captain Carter unlike Cap. Can't do this all day.

[@nachoplaygames2286]

Lmao

[@cbrock5529]

Oof

[@deanospimoniful]

Half day.

[@DavidFromTampa]

The curse of the Dakrhold might still be with Strange because he has photographic memory and he has the book memorized now

[@northernyetigaming8566]

That’s exactly what I was thinking

[@lushdontu4015]

I hope he ends up corrupted like Wanda and kills many people

[@DRMD2023]

Did he read the entire book tho?

[@lushdontu4015]

@@DRMD2023 no, he flicked through it and he wouldn’t use magic from the book of the damned even if he remembers it.

[@northernyetigaming8566]

@@lushdontu4015 but it doesn’t matter how much you read. Even if you just touch it, you will become corrupt. That’s why at the end of the movie his third eye opened.

[@izzinator13]

We have to remember that they had the means to fight back the entire time but they chose to not to listen to strange and not use that other book. So technically their mistrust was their downfall? Just playing Mephistos advocate over here

[@killjoydklown]

Not knowing how the events of Ultron went down exactly in 838, that Wanda could ALSO have a brother still too...

[@criewolf3040]

Considering they blamed ALL Stephen Strange’s for incursions using the darkhold I don’t see how they wouldn’t find every Wanda guilty by association

[@sonadowfangirl30869]

That is a very good point, actually.

[@ellehcim2779]

I don't understand. Wanda dreamwalked didn't cause an incursion but strange does Can you explain?

[@sonadowfangirl30869]

@@ellehcim2779 They mean blaming every Wanda, including their 838-Wanda, for the deaths of the Illuminate that our 616-Wanda caused just like they blame every Stephen Strange for the incursion 838-Strange caused.

[@ellehcim2779]

@@sonadowfangirl30869 yeah I know, but why didn'r they blame wanda too

[@sonadowfangirl30869]

@@ellehcim2779 ? That is what we're assuming here, though? That they likely WILL blame Wanda.

[@amero482]

If 838 still has the Time Stone, someone can conceivably bring all those dead Illuminati back.

[@deathsyth8888]

But that would desecrate reality and no sorcerer would ever do that.

[@israellai]

@@deathsyth8888 fight...fire...with fire I guess?

[@reidepperson8534]

All of the stones would still exist

[@diegosalcedo7741]

@@deathsyth8888 this earth has a different rules maybe they can do that, each multiverse is different and each universe has different roles, that doesn't matter to it because its different universe,

[@salamatandreilouisej.5018]

Probably Mordo

[@vectored3275]

I still dont think that Wanda really died at the end. Idk its just a gut feeling

[@myplaylist3738]

The 7th chair was for Drax and he was there the whole time. We just can't see him!

[@SuddenJeff]

The first rule of the multiverse is that you don't know anything. This place has green stop signs and pizza balls. For all we know, Billy and Tommy's dad is Ultron and he went out for a pack of smokes and never came back.

[@dylankoch1757]

Could that seventh chair be for Namor, since he could fill a leader spot as King of the Atlanteans? His absence could be explained (from a screenwriter's pov) by the fact that it'd be kinda f*cked to put Namor on the big screen for the first time EVER only to kill him off in seven minutes. Another possibility could be Ajak as the leader of the Eternals and representative of the Celestials

[@SPerani]

I think 838's heroes won't blame their wanda. I think they will know (maybe thanks to jean grey) that it was 616 wanda, and somehow mutants will cross first to 616 timeline, incursion ocurres and then maybe we can get a House of M event.

[@kellz9972]

I think they will blame Wanda. but the catch is Wanda is a retired avenger. i think this will kick off Avengers Vs. Xmen in the 838 universe.

[@Evan-ni7hb]

I think mordo can tell them it wasn’t there Wanda that did it because he was there

[@mydoggylives]

They will know because Mordo is still alive, and he knew that the Scarlet Witch was coming via the Darkhold (per the 616 Dr. Strange).

[@badmashbm]

house of m seems pretty useless since it will just remove the mutants from the scene...whats even the point in going towards it instead of making movies with all characters combined...

[@Evan-ni7hb]

@@badmashbm yeah but that would be crazy and everyone would be shocked like in infinity war when we lost half of life

[@thetokenlife5620]

Am I the only one wondering why Wanda and Agatha didn’t have a third eye from the darkhold if it’s a darkhold corruption thing? Someone enlighten me.

[@mighettoo1548]

oh yeah right???

[@arpitaguptadebnath5846]

There's chances of A House Of M event in 838 and the Mid creds of MoM suggests Secret Wars can be a thing with 616 at its centre. I was a bit disappointed with MoM but this movie has totally set up some great plots for future movies.

[@TheMultiverseofSpidey]

My favourite part was when Morbius appeared as the surprise guest in the Illuminati and said *"Wanda, you’re about to get Morbed"* and then Morbed all over the place. He is the best Marvel Avenger. 👏

[@gaborpatai603]

Yes, you could say that the illuminati scene was kinda morbid.

[@coolkidsigmamale]

I love morbius

[@seinyaaa4504]

IT'S MORBIN TIME

[@TheInfamousTongaLoa]

Mighty morbin rangers

[@tensio4926]

@@CosmicLionheart ok boomer

[@epelinaivalu8683]

I'm pretty sure the planned scarlet witch solo film will definitely adapt the house of M storyline or they'll change the title to house of M.Also, it's kind of unfair to have the earth 838 universe introduce the rest of the heroes like the x men, FF,and the inhumans but not in the main 616 universe

[@marccote5494]

Just a thought, Wonder if there is someone with the time stone in 838 that after the Illuminati deaths came and reversed it like Thanos did to Vision? He was able to rewind the death without stopping time itself so could it be possible? Long shot for sure lol

[@MiloMurphysLaw]

Well, wouldn’t Mordo have the time stone since he took Strange’s spot?

[@sierraalice8072]

Isn’t that against the “rules” or something

[@ba_2three458]

Mordo has it and he will not reverse time

[@John-df3iq]

Or they might have sentry that can revive the dead

[@_paste]

​@@John-df3iq Sentry can revive the dead?

[@benpicado4138]

Imagine if the 7th chair is just the chair meant for Profesor X but then they realized it’s unpractical for him to switch between hover chair and normal chair and they kinda kept it there cause like “Let’s keep it symmetrical”

[@mrcreeper6177]

Can someone explain to me how Wanda even had kids with Vision? Like he's just a sentient robot with no organic parts. I get that the 616 Wanda made them out of magic. So technically they were never "real", but the 838 Wanda had real flesh and blood kids how?

[@scarletwitchmultiverseofma2093]

Idk, maybe earth 838 wanda got together with another person and not vision

[@ryancrawford7611]

@@scarletwitchmultiverseofma2093 what about that photo they’re together in

[@meticulouselectronics]

@@ryancrawford7611 is there a photo in 838 universe?

[@ryancrawford7611]

@@meticulouselectronics oh shit idk, maybe that photo was from the 616 that the video was showing my b

[@abbeyBominable123]

@@ryancrawford7611 yeah in the movie, the 838 house only had wanda in the picture frame

[@damienbradshaw]

I also wonder if when the two Wandas got overlapped after the destruction of the Darkhold, Scarlet Witch got mapped onto 838 Wanda and still exists in that universe. Maybe two incursions: the 3rd eye crossing over into 616 and Scarlet Witch still being in 838.

[@weareparamore1597]

Tom cruise appeared, he dived a fighter jet to Wanda, he's from the top gun maverick universe

[@jesse_cole]

I don't think Days of Future Past was in the 838 universe... I'm pretty sure the Days of Future Past universe was the same one where Logan killed Xavier in the "Logan" movie. Also not sure that Strange's "third eye" is the Dark Hold. I think it just suggests that he has "powered up" like Sinister Strange did. I think it's supposed to be a the literal Eye of Agamotto, so that now he can use that power without the amulet.

[@smakajo400]

Well, in that case, Xavier ain't dead either. He got disintegrated by Phoenix Jean Grey just to find his way to an unconscious body which he later teamed with Magneto and Logan before Days of Future Past happened. So it's safe to say that he is just taking a hiatus. XP

[@ellehcim2779]

I hope so :P

[@darthclueless9372]

Fury would have still met Carol, just like he did in the movie so he might have used Carol for the name

[@giedd34]

Charles was killed in the mind realm which does not always translate to a true death, it can but doesn't always so is there a chance he might still technically be alive

[@jbyers4128]

Remember when Bucky was not himself and k worded Tony's parents? People were angry at Captain America for not blaming Bucky, but when it's Wanda it's okay?

[@OmegaTheory]

"That doesn't seem fair"

[@nuffsaidny]

I wish we could’ve gotten Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine in the 90’s accurate suit for the Illuminati fight.

[@whitenoise509]

Same! I'm kinda wondering if we'll ever see him as wolverine again though. Hugh Jackman is getting older, and you have to be absolutely jacked to play that role. Prof X plays beautifully in his old age, but I'm worried that won't work quite as well with a basically immortal mutant.

[@dahliazaylinsage]

Thanks and safety to ya all as always!!

[@leeshwan903]

Makes WandaVision Season 2 a possibility as the story of Wanda 838

[@fishenwater]

I haven't found any direct link to the ""The bill comes due" yet - I get that things went crazy afterwards, but I've yet to see a direct reaction to Strange using the time stone that one time.. specifically.

[@garylim4800]

838 Wanda might also now possess the same Darkhold knowledge as 616 Wanda and might not need the book to harness that power

[@jonathanvilla7280]

I might be mistaken but there is only one Scarlett Witch across all the multiverses, right? So how are there two?

[@chizeru37]

@@jonathanvilla7280 There is only one Scarlet witch, but there are many variants of Wanda, that's why the Scarlet Witch can possess Wanda variants. Like the Phoenix force, there is only one. The Scarlet witch is the Nexus being, not Wanda herself. All Wanda variants can possibly become the Scarlet witch, but only one at any given time.There isnt 2 Scarlet Witches in the film, its the main MCU Wanda, possessing 838's Wanda using the powers of the Scarlet witch and the Darkhold.

[@garylim4800]

@@chizeru37 Thanks! I couldn't have explained it better 😃

[@nishafrinchell4060]

@@chizeru37 the scarlet witch is a Title it’s not some entity

[@yoyomayne]

@@chizeru37 Wanda has a variant in every universe and they all have the reality warping power of the scarlet witch, 616 Wanda is just the only evil Wanda because of the darkhold, but technically they are all the scarlet witch. Nexus being means they exist in every universe

[@peckhamsteve3634]

I'm one of the people who said the 7th chair was for Stephen Strange then after I wrote it I thought "na no way its obviously Stark's chair".. You're 100% correct that last chair was for Tony 👍🏾 agreed 👍🏾 Thanks as always PS Vision saves Wanda from Mount Wundagore at the end 🤯

[@mrseptember7367]

Absolutely....Mordo will make a Report to Ultron Creator "Supreme IronMan" & they will unite every 838 heroes to declare war on 616 if they refuse to handover Wanda Maximoff...surely Vision will stepup

[@rethablair6902]

That chair was a T'Challa variants chair💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

[@ericmiller93]

I miss Spader as Ultron. I know that movie had its flaws but he was a good Ultron. It’d be cool if he came back for a take on Annihilation: Conquest.

[@MrBounceoutboi]

Thanos didn't get the time stone in 838, mordo has it, he is still alive Meaning he can rewind time bringing the illuminati back to life, why else would he be left alive if not to do that and the incursion that's coming is 838 and "616" combining together into one universe and that's how we get the X-Men, inhumans(done right hopefully), fantastic four and etc.

[@fitzmagic2461]

What’s crazy about 838 strange defeating thanos with the darkhold is that it means that he was lying when he said there was only 1 way

[@etro2649]

no, there was only one way in earth 616 to defeat thanos. 838 had a whole different plethora of characters

[@shisu10shi60]

If it's not Dr. Strange and if the Illuminati has leaders of each superhero category than it's definitely Namor. No doubt. Perhaps he was really busy doing something in his home.

[@juliant]

The 7th member of the illuminati was missing because he was the designated survivor... and he was Namor

[@tonylozano1728]

It would be so cool if we got some movies in the 838, including a house of M. Then we get a secret wars vs 616, after 838 introduces the MCU mutants, that will end up crossing over once the secret wars ends and rewrites the MCU 616 timeline to have always included them within the MCU history

[@altonkknight]

838 Wanda is guilty of murder because possession is 9/10th of the law.

[@deanospimoniful]

Boo

[@terrencecollins8020]

Lol dad joke of the day

[@thedarkside2508]

meh

[@terrencecollins8020]

@@thedarkside2508 that’s how a dad joke is supposed to make you feel

[@zhoppa]

7th chair is T'Chala's, paying respects.

[@colbysteffens2976]

I highly doubt that 616 Wanda died, and I could totally see people going crazy in the theaters the day we here Wanda say "no more mutants" (well then, Captain Marvel's death was the only normal death out of the Illiumanti, because I thought Wanda just cracked Charlies' neck)

[@kickinitwithkaici]

That empty chair was for Charles when he use to walk! 🤣🥴

[@stormcooper6827]

I bet that 7th chair was Namors because Namor is part of the Illuminati in the comics and he could be that final faction which would control the waters

[@friedrice7876]

Mordo specificly says that Xavier is the final member and i don't see why he would lie about that

[@darthjedironin924]

Dr Strange 3rd eye is not inherent evil. It shows he has obtained a higher level of consciousness in his training with eye of agamotto. This was in the comics (80s) I believe

[@jesusrox0903]

If this is a way to get more Rachel McAdams in the MCU, then Yes X 1000 please!

[@kaylabruce7755]

Something you missed about the chairs. You saying there are 7. Actually No. That’s the X-men chair on the end, except Charles obviously had his own chair. 👍

[@johnmendoza3899]

I'm curious of 838 Franklin if he is as powerful as he is displayed in the comics.

[@s.2141]

Maybe upcoming rumored scarlet witch movie is about 838 wanda going through house of M

[@Jspir3l]

I wish the other Illuminati chair was for namor but he was just in Atlantis

[@natpok8769]

Yeah, but consider that Mordo knew that the other Wanda was possessed so...they could kinda find out what's going on with that massacre and what was that Wanda going through

[@Jenamphetam1ne]

I kinda doubt that we're gonna see more of 838. It doesn't feel so much like they were establishing another universe to follow but more like it existed to supplement the 616 story that was happening.

[@Father_Daniel]

I'm not sure who that seventh chair is for but I'm sure they're really glad they had a dentist appointment that day! LOL

[@specterknight3023]

I think the empty chair belongs to Namor, and he's probably just underwater because he has his own kingdom to run. They did mention the underwater earthquakes in Endgame with no payoff.

[@MiloMurphysLaw]

Why does every single line need to have payoff? They can never include random throwaway lines that reference completely irrelevant things?

[@23Bandz_]

@@MiloMurphysLaw who randomly mentions underground earthquakes tho without it referencing to something, they could’ve left that out of the film and not allow the audience to hear it 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@960456]

@@MiloMurphysLaw Because it's like the millionth time they've referenced Namor in some way, shape, or form.

[@pmukundhan1163]

Make sense Namor representing the Atlantis

[@IceCold_Carter]

@@MiloMurphysLaw bc it’s the MCU…..they don’t drop hints like that for no reason….

[@savedgesurvive]

I have to watch it again.. I swear that Dr. Strange asked Mr. Fantastic or said to him "Didn't you guys disappear in the 60's?"

[@theknightspalace]

He said didn't you guys chart in the 60s

[@matthewlofton8465]

Hmm, now that 616-Strange has the third eye, and that we know he can launch snakes out of hands...do you think that perhaps live-action 616-Strange will end up becoming the Strange Supreme we saw in the "What If...?" series because of all the stuff he goes off to do?

[@samdalseide5060]

Nope. Different characters. Different origins, too.

[@fitch099]

2:30 Photon still could have been used as inspiration for the name of Illuminati. Illumin means to light. Photon is a particle of light.

[@Brodie_Loman]

Technically speaking franklin richards could just bring everyone wanda killed back to life like nothing happened. Like if he wants them to not be dead, then they will simply be alive again.

[@papasmurf8275]

This could be where Kang comes from, 838. He learns of the history of his grandfather's death from a visitor from another dimension.

[@titaniumcommandrig]

I actually don’t think we’ll ever come back to this universe but we’ll see

[@edzim10]

That 60's not a reference to the beetles but the actual group the Fantastic Four

[@CaptainPikeachu]

I am waiting for 838 Franklin Richards to come to 616 ready to wreck shit and get revenge for Wanda murdering his father. RIP Earth 616, it was nice knowing ya. 😅

[@intothefrayyo]

Haha, um yeah .. okay 🤣

[@hellolol5388]

You really think Marvel would do something like that, lol?

[@CaptainPikeachu]

@@intothefrayyo yeah ok what?

[@CaptainPikeachu]

@@hellolol5388 Given that Secret Wars is clearly something they are likely to build up to, 838 Franklin Richards crossing over to wreck stuff is entirely likely

[@dsc.04]

There should be a "What If The Illuminati Was Killed" episode in season 2 that follows this!

[@Loofrewop]

Perhaps Reed's wife did raise their children after he died, and one of them turns out to be Kang, who starts playing with the multiverse after what happened. Or perhaps Mordo "desecrated" something else after Reed was gone.. if you know what I mean....

[@pmukundhan1163]

Their children is not Kang he is descendants of Reed original in 31st century. 1000 Years later

[@Daboss-kq3jm]

Reeds son is Franklin Richards who is hella powerful and after finding out his father died will probably be pissed

[@Azarath_Metrion_Zinthos]

Kang aka Nathaniel Richards is from 31st century... He's the descendant of Reed Richards. Iron Lad from Young Avengers is the young version of Kang The Conqueror.

[@lcclark2862]

Holy moly! You've blinded me with all the possibilities..as usual! OMG a House of M movie would be super awesome!

[@boyapollo808]

biggest question: What happened to Wanda being a nexus being?

[@kyju733]

Scarlett witch is the Nexus being not wanda

[@FireJach]

@@kyju733 it is same person

[@lushdontu4015]

@@FireJach they aren’t

[@lushdontu4015]

@@FireJach only one Wanda can be the scarlet witch

[@maykel_546]

In every wanda in the multiverse only one can be a scarlet witch

[@Atoggod]

The Imperius curse defense is great.

[@Fiture_Krisna]

Professor X still alive, he just transfer his conscious to other body like he did in last stand

[@LilySteph1949]

The empty chair could be in memory to Chadwick

[@IronIsKing]

Maybe. Or he ended up leaving the illuminati like in the comics. I think he would be in the movie if he never died though

[@markpjf85]

Yep the house of m will be on the cards next Scarlett witch film I bet

[@cl1864]

Yes but we want Mutants in the MCU for many years.

[@andie6257]

This will probably set a fight for wiccan and Franklin richards. I bet this line will be said "Your mother is a murderer" and then *young avengers civil war*