Doctor Who:Flux 13x05 "Survivors of the Flux" Reaction

[@billyjoelambdin7166]

If you noticed the time stamp on Kate Stewart's initial scene, it read 2017. This coincides with one of Jodie's earlier episodes where she tried to call in UNIT, but was told that UNIT had been disbanded. Now we find out why and how that happened.

[@micosxavier2092]

"my mom would never" Best response ever to Tecteun's reveal😁

[@stevesm4]

Did you notice that when the Grand Serpent and the military guy were walking down the stairs and we heard a "new corporal" speaking on the phone? Around 9.07 on this reaction. That was the voice of the future Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart. Taken from an old classic Who episode.

[@stevesm4]

Incidentally, I was very impressed by the way you didn't freak out at the sight of Grand Serpent's snakey friend.

[@ChristianJull]

And that was a guff, as it should have been 'colonel'.

[@BestBFam]

That is so awesome! I love all the shout outs to classic Who in 13s era.

[@DoctorWhoBookClub]

Nick Courtney recorded an audiobook for a Short Trips collection in the 90’s where he references his daughter Kate. Hopefully that clip can be worked into a future story someday.

[@ThomasCorp]

I honest to God half broke down crying when I heard Nicholas Courtney’s voice cameo in this episode.

[@GedUK]

So easy to miss if you're not concentrating!

[@AlanCanon2222]

I love watching the interviews with Nicholas Courtney. He obviously loved playing the role, and relished the fandom attention it brought him during his own lifetime. It's pretty clear that there's a lot of Nicholas in Alistair Gordon, and vice versa. Makes me smile to see.

[@Wannabe_Baby]

That part where the UNIT general is talking to the Grand Serpent, they reference the First Doctor story, "The War Machines". They say "that thing at the Post Office Tower".

[@AlanCanon2222]

It's a noted element of the show, both classic and revived, that you don't *have* to know the greater series mythology to enjoy most episodes, so it's easy to get started watching the series without slogging all the way back to the beginning, but there are those occasional little tidbits for those who know the larger story.

[@Wannabe_Baby]

@@AlanCanon2222 Yeah. For the most part, I actually haven't liked a lot of those references during the Chibnall era because there are so many little mentions that are ONLY there just for the sake of it. But I like this one because it actually adds to the scene and it fits the time frame.

[@AlanCanon2222]

@@Wannabe_Baby I really do get the criticism of the Chibnall era. I have focused on enjoying how very hard the cast have worked with what's been written for them (I have been a small-time, small-town community theater stage technician and actor, so I've seen a lot of rehearsals). Hopefully the series will continue to new heights under a fresh crew. Who knows, maybe there will be aspects of 13's run that are appreciated by fans down the line. Personally, one attraction to the series for me is how very many creative people have had a chance to have a go at the story. I'm cool with having favorite and less favorites eras in a show that's almost 60 years old.

[@brucesimmons5517]

@@Wannabe_Baby I prefer Chibnall's references to Moffat's, that don't make any sense unless you've watched Classic Who, like the Movellans in The Pilot and Alpha Centuri in Empress of Mars.

[@Wannabe_Baby]

@@brucesimmons5517 You could say the same for that one guy rattling off the Guardians, Eternals and Toymaker in "Can You Hear Me". And I could've happily left the long-distance psychic thing in Classic Who rather than bring it back in "Spyfall". That just felt like Chibnall had written himself into a corner.

[@glenmcculla6843]

If Big Finish ever do some box sets set in the couple of years of Yaz, Dan and Prof Jericho travelling around the world having Indiana Jones adventures in the 1900s, I will buy them.

[@brucesimmons5517]

What would be the title though? 🤔

[@glenmcculla6843]

Then Jericho. Or: Fam-a-Lam.

[@aloysiuswhiteboat2934]

The War Jericho: Vol 4

[@Jim_The_Fish]

@@brucesimmons5517 “An Awfully Big Adventure”

[@thomasstevens2746]

I said that I'd love that

[@JeronisLeror]

The revelation of Tecteyun and then that rug pull by the villians....oof.

[@joer3720]

I forgot who Tecteyun was. When I was reminded, I was still largely unmoved. A credit to the writers all around.

[@anicka_kozume]

Tecteyun was literally the center of the big plot in 12th season. you may not like it, but forget about it? definitely not the writer’s fault

[@joer3720]

@@anicka_kozume that they wrote such a story so unengaging it wasn’t worth remembering the villains name?

[@Jim_The_Fish]

@@joer3720 except any of us who paid any real attention remembered as it was actually an important and intriguing plot point. I’ll be the first to admit that the Chibnall era is my least favorite era, but I’m not going to pretend it didn’t do a good job at getting SOME things very right.

[@joeastbury8032]

Whatever your feelings on certain plot decisions I love how Jodie Whittaker and Barbara Flynn play off of one another, it's some great material for them both. Also really love the hologram scene with Yaz and the idea of her, Dan and Jericho travelling the world. So yeah, I quite like this episode.

[@bobblebardsley]

I agree, they seem to fit so well on screen together.

[@DonnaLang42rockglobally]

Jess, I'm so glad you see the Jamie vibes in Dan - the first time you said that a few videos ago I thought, "Yay! I'm not alone!" In fact I find those vibes so strong that in my headcanon Dan Lewis is a descendant of Jamie: In it one of Jamie's grandchildren or great grandchildren moved to Liverpool and eventually a daughter of that line married a Lewis; a few generations later, hey presto - we've got Dan. ^_^

[@bananasaregood8655]

Aww shame sesska didn’t catch the brigadier voice cameo, and reference to ‘the war machines’

[@firefly24601]

My goodness, Yaz looks fantastic in Edwardian-era costumes! Looked good in Nicola Tesla episode last series, too.

[@benmiller3252]

Shame The writing didn't do Yaz any favor

[@Quixotic1018]

I remember hearing Brigadier's voice and thinking "Oh someone's watching an old episode in that room?" 😂

[@Jamestopboy]

Is Jess getting over her fear of snakes? I expected her to be shrieking in terror over the snake things.

[@AlanCanon2222]

Maybe someone told Jess that they didn't use real space snakes in the scenes with live actors (thank goodness).

[@Jamestopboy]

@@AlanCanon2222 Maybe. One still misses the screaming though.

[@whobp8]

I'm impressed. I thought you were going to freak out a lot more when The Grand Serpent did his little party trick. 😄

[@AlanCanon2222]

17:22 "For me and my family," at this point, would include the Brigadier, and Kate's Zygon family as well.

[@anicka_kozume]

where is her zygon family from? is it from the big finish audio plays?

[@AlanCanon2222]

@@anicka_kozume I'm referencing "The Zygon Invasion/Inversion". As I understand it, there's two Kate Stewarts now, one human, one Zygon, both working peacefully together, and a characteristic of being on good terms with your Zygon duplicate is that it no longer matters to either of you which one you are -- you care about the other, too, and there are huge incentives to getting along peacefully with the opposite species.

[@Gingerprince521]

@@AlanCanon2222 it's Osgood that had the Zygon twin.

[@AlanCanon2222]

@@Gingerprince521 I know, but isn't it implied that Osgood/Zygon Osgood's situation isn't unique?

[@natsmith303]

Congrats on your mom not being an omnicidal power-crazed Time Lord!

[@pjgs4933]

Absolutely loved Yaz in this episode, wonderful performance from Mandip Gill, good writing, and a fantastic outfit!

[@BlackCover95]

Mandip Gill had the best outfits. 😍

[@silverwolf3745]

The tunnels actually exist in Liverpool and are being investigated now.

[@lurker1316]

As soon as I saw this episode, I knew I wanted to see your reaction to it. The whirlwind of plot developments are wild and I was looking especially forward to you seeing the UNIT stuff since you've been watching the classics. The last time we had Kate on the show, you still hadn't met the Brigadier yet. The TARDIS is from when the Doctor and company were separated from the TARDIS in the Angel episode. The Doctor said it would need some time to repair itself after she displaced the Angel that had taken over the controls. Claire mentioned when she searched the name of the village that the military moved in after everyone vanished. And yeah, we're all curious about the Grand Serpent's motivations.

[@richardd9938]

9:09 Did you recognise the voice? 😅

[@danniemadsen1996]

Did you hear the Brigadier’s voice in the 1960s UNIT scene? That’s him in his early days at the organisation.

[@bletheringfool]

I hope you catch the Brigadier talking on your rewatch as the Grand Serpent is coming down the steps

[@daveangel2991]

I was surprised with how well you handled the snake!

[@briangilliver2197]

The Williamson tunnels in City of Liverpool, we don't understand what their purposes was

[@dylanthompson5421]

The gasp when that man called the grand serpent a bore! 😂😂😂 ‘not a bore’

[@AlanCanon2222]

That blue Jess is wearing is a rock solid color choice. I love that color.

[@ѕтоие]

its giving 11th's tardis

[@magus104]

its great story telling when we have huge blanks all over ever aspect of the show that we have to fill in ourselves. its like a choose your adventure TV show.

[@AlanCanon2222]

I agree. I like the philosophy of Nicholas Meyer, director of Time After Time and writer/director of several of the better Star Trek movies, who said he was always looking for details to leave *out* of his movies, so that the audience had a chance to bring their own private imaginations to a more active experience of watching the film.

[@benmiller3252]

I would like a target 🎯 novelisation of survivors of the Flux and The vanquishers. I would like to have those stories expanded on and add New scenes

[@robinnes2662]

Erm, can we talk about the lack of screaming at the snake? Girl! Proud of you!

[@easty74]

Jess, did you notice the actor that played that general? He was in season 2 of Downton Abbey. Edith was going to marry him

[@geoffmason7215]

and onto the finale....loose ends afterwards???....course there are this is Dr Who but so satisfying...great reaction again THANKYOU

[@soulstealer5625]

The grand serpent guy is also in another British series: Line of Duty and he’s fantastic in it, would be great if you could check it out if you can.

[@bananasaregood8655]

He’s also great in ‘misfits’ as the probation worker who doesn’t care

[@leonardobeluzzo3884]

how... you... didnt you reacted to the lethbridge stewart voice?????

[@Axetwin]

The Goa'uld have invaded the Doctor Who universe. :D

[@sawdusttostardust]

The weeping angels of old...

[@ElysoranNetwork]

I love your reactions from these episodes! I have been watching these for a while. Just subscribed! And the thoughts/feedback as well at the end! Well done!

[@ryanpollard1166]

After being so excited by the last episode, this one, for me, this was the point where Flux really started to nosedive for me. This was a rambling, overstuffed mess; the whole reveal of Tecteun being the true mastermind behind everything fell flat since she has only been seen and talked about very briefly before, and we're meant to take this as a big reveal when we've hardly even knew her and she gets immediately killed off at the end. It could've been either the Grand Serpent, the Master, Davros & the Daleks or both Swarm & Azure as the masterminds behind the Flux and it wouldn't have made any difference. I do think the whole Doctor's backstory arc really dragged the whole series down. Dan, Yaz and Jericho essentially went on a wild goose for four years until Williamson picked them up, and the whole Vinder/Bel sidestory now feels as it's just going on and on at this stage. With so, so much going on, it was really hard to enjoy, and, oh boy, it did not get better with the next episode.

[@danniemadsen1996]

I honestly thought you were gonna freak out more by the serpent-creatures.😅

[@FirlowXD]

ALMOST FORGOT IT WAS FRIDAY

[@geoffmason7215]

A wok is whats needed to thwow at a wabbit when you have no buwits weft in your wiffel

[@Ragnar_Aevarsson]

Tecteun: I’m your mother Also Tecteun: *dies*

[@josemacias8010]

Adopted mother 😂 which is why she weak in my opinion lmao

[@dylanshadowstar9779]

Surprised the grand serpents pet didn't really bother you much

[@easty74]

Yaz, Dan and Jericho get stuck in 1901, but all of a sudden they have plenty of money to become world travelers?

[@BlackCover95]

What, did we need to see how they made money? I could believe they found a way. They’re probably frugal enough to make it work.

[@dylanthompson5421]

And you’re constantly slaying the FASHARN game hunty, your make up EVERYTHANG! A drag queen is in the house (that’s a massive compliment btw)

[@dylanthompson5421]

Yassss I love your reactions so much!

[@an.oldham-lad]

Your looking amazing as allways 💙

[@BestBFam]

The Flux was a fabulous series.

[@pjgs4933]

Agreed

[@joer3720]

This was an Ood episode

[@pjgs4933]

Loved Tecteun and the Doctor’s scenes, it’s a shame she got killed off

[@eanjamesmogg9488]

Not a Secret no more! The next DOCTOR is TENNENT 😱 But only for 3 episodes......so they say and he's not going to be the same as he was in his hey day!

[@eanjamesmogg9488]

@MultiFan NO! its OFFICIAL!! After him they said they will have a New Doctor as chibnal is leaving as well and RT Davies will be the new showrunner and he's been on Welsh TV announcing both! Sorry if its not what you want to hear 😱

[@eanjamesmogg9488]

@MultiFan Have you tried RTDs twitter feed?

[@leilanyx]

y'all tennant fanboys are just getting fucking ridiculous. i love the tenth doctor. i love david as an actor and a public figure. but he. is. not. coming. back. if you want david as the doctor, rewatch his era. hell, go listen to the big finish audios with him in them. RTD2 isn't going to do the same thing as RTD1, because that would just make RTD a lazy writer and we all know he isn't one. stop living in 2006-2009, for gods sake. grow up.

[@josemacias8010]

@@leilanyxso how do you feel about knowing u was wrong and was mean to that person… David T did return as the 14th doctor & hopefully he played it well as before; am wrapping up the flux right now and after power of the doctor I will see what’s new :)

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

Aside from the Timeless Child this is a good episode and setup for the finale. Would like to know exactly who The Grand Serpent is and his place in the expanded universe and why he's working for/with the Sontarans. I'm wondering if there's going to be past characters in Kate's resistance that would be fun to see. I hope it's revealed that Tecteun confused the Doctor from the one from the parallel universe. Overall the Flux has followed the same pattern as Loki in a multiverse arc in which episodes 4 and 5 are the best of the season. But I am still anxious about the final

[@obiwankenobi687]

Have you not watched the finale?

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

@@obiwankenobi687 i have. This is feedback i wrote when the episode originally aired

[@rtozier2011]

@@cameronmonaghan6883 I love that approach. Writing down your thoughts so you can post them when reactors get to the individual episode. Very considerate.

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

@@rtozier2011 not really, this was my post to Torchwood Boy reaction. I just couldn't be bothered to make another one 😆

[@rtozier2011]

@@cameronmonaghan6883 My point still stands. What makes it considerate isn't whether you change it for new posts, it's that you prepared it in the first place.

[@lukeyread]

KATE STEWART ♥️

[@dylanshadowstar9779]

And the voice of her father behind a door

[@thomasstevens2746]

Would have preferred if they just forgot about tecteyun

[@magus104]

Think the doctor turning into an angel to just turn back at the start of the next episode explained away a lame form of instant transport. Great cliffhanger but like everything chibnal does just kinda w/e tbh almost a moffat kinda BS move where he loves to just nonsensically cheat his way out of situations. chibnal takes the "ill explain later" meme to a whole new level

[@bobblebardsley]

Honestly that cliffhanger was so good I'm willing to forgive it. Chibnall writes Doctor Who like the classic era when cliffhangers were very often resolved in the first 1-2 minutes of the next episode. It's a bit odd nowadays when a lot of series are watched as 'box sets' but when you have to wait a week for the next episode, it's more about the cliffhanger than it is about the way it's resolved. Although I can totally understand why people felt like there wasn't enough (or really any) pay-off after that, and I'm not sure I'm the biggest fan of how Flux talks about 'Angel forms' like it is just a thing you can do to someone without them actually ever being a Weeping Angel.

[@booradley8895]

There have many great cliffhangers and they are for you to get excited for the next episode. Like most resolutions they are normally mundane and that goes for most cliffhangers. The doctor for instance trapped in the pandorica just for the next episode gets out just because he did

[@eliasmaldonado5426]

Wish I had that mug. Cheers 🍻 bby girl.

[@ms_scribbles]

I still refuse to acknowledge this new backstory making the Doctor be from another universe rather than a Gallifreyan, who brought regeneration to the Time Lords. Total BS. Moffat angered me with the whole "River Song is a Time Lady, because now Time Lords are made by humans banging in a TARDIS" BS, but at least it was done to a side character, not the Doctor.

[@ms_scribbles]

And I know RTD said he won't retcon it away when he takes over again, but he didn't say he wouldn't just flat-out ignore it and move on with his own stories.

[@lotsofotherstuff]

River was not made by humans banging in the TARDIS. River was made by Madame Kovarian and The Silence. Rory and Amy having her while on the TARDIS just allowed The Silence to make River a Proto Time Lord. Why do you not like the Doctor being from another universe? What about that ruins the Time Lords for you?

[@robinnes2662]

Refusing to acknowledge it doesn’t really make it go away.

[@tenmark7055]

The Doctor as a Weeping Angel? You could have done just 6 episodes of that and had a better story. Here they wrapped it up in a couple of minutes - feh! What a missed opportunity

[@markleneker9923]

Your confusion about inconsistencies etc is not you missing stuff...it's the writing. Prepare for more confusion and disappointment in my estimation....

[@revolg9]

Hopefully with the BBC losing this show and RTD coming back non of this will be canon

[@potterpenguin7285]

The BBC losing the show? What the hell are you talking about? Oh and it's already known that this will not be retconed. The thing is, DW has never really had a clear cannon. There are so many different answers given to the question of the Doctors origin story in so many different eras of the show. And I don't mind it, I mean, can you expect a 60 year old show, produced by dozens of different teams, to have a continuous cannon?

[@potterpenguin7285]

@MultiFan exactly and I don't even mind that. It was never intended as a giant continuous project. And in the end it's just that quirky British sci-fi show passed on from generation to generation and that may not always have the best scripts or the best looking Cinematography or CGI, but it has (at weird as it may sound) personality and character and that's why I love it. It's not the best series I've ever seen, but still my favourite 🤷‍♂️

[@revolg9]

@MultiFan Bad Wolf is owned by Sony and they know going woke loses money. They want the fans back

[@robvanriot]

I love the whole "go woke go broke" thing. Idiots love saying it, but there's not a single example of it happening.

[@revolg9]

@@robvanriot look at the last Spiderman's rating compared to Eternals

[@Rik77]

I enjoyed how fun this series was, but the division/tecteun stuff is just pointless. It doesn't make any sense, its very hard to see what her motivations are, and then they kill her off immediately its very plot driven, with not much characterisation.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

It's just bad writing you missed nothing. This whole division and timeless child stuff is a just a load of rubbish The Doctor is a Time Lord this whole thing is all a lie I don't believe a word Tecteun says and they ruined the whole UNIT story. I'm very surprised you didn't catch The Brigadier's voice in the hall way while The Grant Serpent and the General were walking down the stairs talking. I really enjoyed the Flux story but the way it's written is just rubbish the Bel and Vinder part is just holding the story and how did Yaz, Dan and Jericho manage to travel what did they use for money ? That made no sense also because of Yaz's Indian heritage especially for 1904 perspective she would had to have put up with alot of racist abuse because of people's attitudes of that time. It was nice to see Kate Lethbridge-Stewart back but she had a limited role in this.

[@sawdusttostardust]

The Seventh Doctor said "I am so much more than just another time lord." That was over 30 years ago. And "A traveller beyond time." The Doctor has always been more - "more than just a secret", etc. This isn't new. The whole point is not knowing, but at various points the Doctor has known there is more in their history and it's been used in stories now for decades - just not in the TV show since the 2005 revival. As for other points - as long as Yaz was in male company she would have been safe and accepted (out of respect for the white men mostly) - plus she was in countries where brown skin wasn't so odd. As for money - they were in the past for three years. They may have worked for two of them. I know it's all imperfect but I think you're overthinking a little and I hope you can enjoy it more in the episodes and eras to come. :-)