Doctor Who: Revenge of the Cybermen - REVIEW - Cybercember

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Okay...maybe it's not haunted. But it's definitely no good. MrTARDIS faces his fears by watching 'Revenge of the Cybermen'.
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[@ryan-tc3rk]

Between the broadcast of parts one and two, William Hartnell, the First Doctor, passed away. Coincidentally, he died during broadcast of a serial that served to reintroduce the Cybermen. His final solo appearance, The Tenth Planet, as the Doctor occurred during the serial that introduced them.

[@jinkschuvisko8772]

Revenge of the cybermen really is cursed

[@skaroarchives5513]

"You lie! Because if they had such a rocket, they would've used it by now!" *literally two seconds later* "So, they have a rocket.."

[@therealpbristow]

...And apparently all because Sarah happens to know the name "Kellman". Quite a leap of "logic". =:o\ That scene would work fine with a human interrogator (played by a decent actor!) being startled by the name, then narrowing their eyes as they watch Sarah's face for signs of deception, and put the pieces together that they hadn't previously considered, saying, "OK, so they have this rocket... but they haven't used it. Which means it doesn't work, yes?". And then smiling smugly. But with a semi-robotic face behind a blank mask, and no indication (in this story, or sadly most others) that the cybermen are all that canny about reading human emotions or body language, the sudden switch to believing her just comes out of nowhere.

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

Favourite quote of the day.. "You've no home planet, no influence, nothing! You're just a pathetic bunch of tin soldiers skulking about the galaxy in an ancient spaceship!"

[@davidbanan.]

Can you shut up with these comments? They aren't CLEVER and no asked

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

@@davidbanan. I hope you didn't mean it.

[@IBagel2]

@@SegaNintendoGuy64 he did but i wouldnt take him seriously

[@BH-98]

“You speak unwisely!”

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

@@IBagel2 Well I just simply like doing favourite quotes of the day, And Next Time comments, Not to impress people just showing them my favourite quotes on DW.

[@batmanmarch]

For all its faults, Revenge of the Cybermen is a guilty pleasure. It was one of the first stories I watched as a child and my brother and I would reenact sequences from it all of the time (swinging off the door pretending the floor was electrified in particular!). It's a shame the Cybermen's characterisation is way off because the suits are great. I lament the fact Holmes and Hinchcliff didn't revisit the Cybermen because at their core they're the perfect monster for their Gothic/Horror vision of the series.

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

Don’t forget that this is the first time the Cybermen had a lead role since the switch to color.

[@fredjones554]

Finally, someone else who likes revenge of the CM. I watched this in my youth and enjoyed it. I watched this as an adult and also enjoyed it. I don't know why all the hate.

[@louiswindsor7334]

they could do some great body horror with the cybermen i can only imagine if robert holmes wrote a cyberman story with philip hinchcliff

[@maldon3659]

I love how abrupt the ending to the story is, it's almost like they couldn't wait to be done with it

[@kiarash608]

Man, this was such a low point for the Cybermen. Even the very title is wrong, i mean in the Moonbase one of the Cybermen literally says: "Revenge? What iz that?" Thank Rassilon for the next one though. Bring on Earthshock!

[@calumbishop7082]

In many respects the fact that after this they didn't appear again for the entirety of the 4th doctor's tenure says everything. If Earthshock hadn't been as good a story as it was the Cybermen would likely have been thrown in the dustbin of Doctor Who Villians and forgotten.

[@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2]

It’s one of my best cybermen and 5th Doctor stories.

[@davidgeisler9885]

@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 really? It’s pretty silly all round IMO. Exceptions being exciting fight scenes on location and the compelling villain.

[@xedalpha1]

Ahh the first ever VHS release. It's still beloved to me despite its flaws. Also the buckles caused a 'secondary explosion' in the buckle. it didn't make the bombs themself go off.

[@DanTheMan2150AD]

Thank god for the CGI effects on the Season 12 Blu-ray, they helped to elevate this story and made people see it in a new light.

[@Frahamen]

couldn't the Vogons just use there poetry to kill the cybermen?

[@hughgurney8686]

9:25 Tom and the others having a bit of fun doing the three wise monkeys - "Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil"

[@Maximus4587]

*Note:* William Hartnell, the actor who played the First Doctor, died three days before Part Two aired.

[@jimbokillzone4008]

The cyberleader says that trying to release the harness will cause a 'secondary' explosion.

[@Eltonlaleham]

There were persistent rumours this Cyberman story began originally for Jon Pertwee but because he quit Revenge of the Cybermen was rewritten for Tom Baker yet if this is true then I would imagine that Tom Baker would have had a totally different Cyberstory

[@IsaacWhittakerDakin]

I think this story is ok. I get this story might be important for a lot of fans as it was the first VHS release in 1983. Though I think the reason this story was chosen was because a lot of fans voted for Tomb of the Cybermen, unaware it was missing and released this one instead as it was the earliest surviving Cyberman story in full at the time.

[@HOTD108_]

Tomb was missing? Didn't know that. Thank God it's been found since.

[@markwilliams7054]

@@HOTD108_I think it was 1993 they found Tomb in Hong Kong

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

​@@markwilliams7054 Actually it was in 1991 Tomb was found in Hong Kong resulting a VHS release in 1992.

[@lexezlao]

ok but that harry sullivan scene is iconic as hell

[@keelanbarron928]

While you had a problem with the cybermen showing emotion, i personally think it's fine because i like to think that these cybermen are instead of just using technology to suppress their emotions, are actually trying to actively suppress their emotions and sometimes they fail at that.

[@Concreteowl]

I read it that Voga was the alliances easy access to weaponisable gold. Gold isn't that rare but it's hard to get to on terrestrial planets. The Cybermen while incapable of vengeful thought act in that manner for psychological warfare reasons. That Voga and Mondas drift around so much is probably not a coincidence. Tom's era is full of exposition heavy stories. Almost everything we know about Gallifrey comes from one ramble in one story. The same is true of 51st century Earth. I love the idea of the glitter gun. Very 70s

[@jimbokillzone4008]

For me, Revenge of the cybermen is one of my all time favourites, there was a run of classic who on tv back in 07 which caught my attention and it ran through season 12 to 14 (missing genesis for some reason) and this one i remember the most and loved as a kid, i know it sucks now im older but i still love it for nostalgic reasons

[@benbastianiartmusic1421]

I never understood why the Vogans are so scared of the Cybermen coming when they have a PLANET made of the element that can kill a Cyberman. I'd create a load of gold bullets, load my gun and just chill in the hammock.

[@BDubbzzz_]

I love the fact that Mr Tardis knows of Mystery Science Theater 3000. Never knew it aired in the UK during its initial run. Got any favorite episodes?

[@stanger121]

This was my first cyberman story and I was told that gold was their weakness and i just took it as it was. I still enjoy it despite its problems.

[@andriygriffin4782]

I felt this had the same issue as Day of the Daleks, the new production team were unsure how the monster worked after being off screen for a while. Day at least has a terrific story that makes up for underwhelming Daleks. But Revenge is just a very by the numbers adventure. What keeps it from being unwatchable for me is the greatest Tardis team (Tom, Liz & Ian) doing their best throughout. 5/10

[@benw4409]

I'm almost convinced Revenge of the Cybermen was a practical joke by the production team to say "yes, we can make a bad story, we're doing it now, we're not doing it again, don't worry!". That or Genesis of the Daleks literally drained the quality of this one out by proximity.

[@andriygriffin4782]

@@benw4409 Haha, Classic Who always had an issue with both money and energy being drained by the time they reached the final story.

[@BH-98]

Totally agree with you there

[@Rahonavis70m]

Revenge’s Cyber Leader is basically General Grievous without any of the charm or bronchitis.

[@BH-98]

4: Hello there Cyber leader: Doctor Who, you are a bold one

[@ethanpond1195]

I woke up to this notification. It was meant.

[@SudrianTales]

I heard the producers at the time didn't like the Cybermen (hence their lack of usage during Pertwee who actually wanted to go against them) so I wouldn't be surprised if it being bad was deliberate

[@olaoluwapowilliams5169]

It’s like Tom Baker is aware that this serial is bad which explains why he doesn’t take it seriously.

[@MrTARDIS]

"In 8 minutes the accursed Planet of Gold will be utterly destroyed! Annihilated! Vapourised! It is GOOD!" This has been the end of a very spooky saga. Be sure to hit that "like" button and leave any comment down below to appease the almighty algorithm!

[@maldon3659]

Oddly enough, Revenge Of The Cybermen was the first Doctor Who story to be released on VHS so there's that I guess

[@benmiller3252]

It's a shame that neither Leela or the two incarnations of Romana got to Encounter The Cybermen during the tom baker era

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

I'll just get one thing one of the way since I know there's going to be tons of haters out there, I still have a soft spot for Revenge, Don't get me wrong I get why it's hated by fans from both the past and the present, But I don't necessarily agree with them, Plus I really don't mind the Cybermen costumes in this story sure it's not one of my favourites 'That's for next time' but I still adore them nonetheless, So you lot can hate it for all I care but this 'And Sliver Nemesis which I'll discuss next time' are a guilty pleasure for me, Enough said.

[@THIRV]

Most fans I speak to adore Revenge of the Cybermen. It’s in my top five of all time, always. Silver Nemesis is good too, I hated the way the cybermen were killed too easily (crumple a gold top off a bottle of milk into its chest etc) but the plot was good fun. Plenty going on. So, totally with you mate.

[@davidgeisler9885]

@@THIRV how can this be in your top 5? You are entitled to your opinion of course but what elevates this so much in your mind?

[@THIRV]

@@davidgeisler9885 it’s a good question, and as you say DW ratings from us all are always personal taste and a combination of factors There’s no science behind this, it’s all destroyable! But here goes... Due to my age it was more or less the first story I ever saw, and with it not being on Earth, it was just so special Digging deeper, I loved the cybermen outfits, and yes of course in hindsight the voices aren’t what they should be, and hands on hips is very odd (!) but I still like this version even today, not easy to kill, fired from their foreheads which was cool Loved the space station from Ark In Space, so, nice to see it again Good performances by all of the supporting cast on the station, and the baddie The vogans at the time I thought looked amazing, and loved their political arguments etc Of course today it looks a bit ropey and a bit dull, but it did bring that nice location to us, their chambers on Voga, and the caves, their funny guns (no gold dust in them lol) etc The peril of the bomb walk felt suspenseful, back then I didn’t know til decades later that it was an emergency story, hastily rewritten, re use of props etc The age old moan of mine is there of course, that we have a planet called Voga, but no sense of it being any bigger than a few rooms and caves...what of the rest of the planet ?! I don’t know, I just love this story. It’s hard to put my finger on it. As you say David it’s all about opinions, and in polls for all the stories, it regularly comes three quarters of the way down the list! So I do know I’m in a minority, even though a few of my closest mates all also love this one, and it always surprises me that they do Cheers

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

Plus it was the first color episode to feature the Cybermen.

[@THIRV]

@@lyokianhitchhiker good call! 👍😎

[@jcrossan1351]

The story may not be the best but that Cybermen design is gorgeous

[@ShamrockParticle]

If made a few years ago, they'd probably call the story "The Men With the Golden Guns"... The best part of the story could be made with this exchange: "Sarah. These look like they're made of gold!" "Harry shut up about your stupid gold!" "Looks like it'd 24k... gold is a soft metal isn't it? Well we can probably break through it. Get a stalactite pointy thing" 🤣 the sort of dialog that's great for a companion.

[@carls7860]

My first BBC VHS purchase in the mid 80s... stop knocking it! Of course looking back from 2020 you can slag it off to the hilt... but back then for a early teen it was great fun... and the transmat dissipation of the cybermat's poison is briefly explained as being 'separated and rejected' by the Doctor... that was enough for me! Great reviews though 👌 really enjoying them...

[@option3590]

18:05 the Leader stated earlier that unlatching the harness would cause a “secondary explosion”. Which I took there ‘n’ then to mean a smaller one. Since the bombs needed to be in the planets core to destroy it anyway.

[@jasonwheeler826]

"Harry Sullivan is an imbicile!" is still funny to me!

[@NewtonDKC]

@5:21 I thought the Doctor programmed the transmat to separate the Cybermat poison from Sarah’s body? Been awhile since I saw it but pretty sure that was the explanation..love this series of Cybercember !!!

[@garytwinem5275]

The transmat has a biofilter, it says it on the Ark blueprints on The Ark in Space dvd special features. Though why the crew don't think of using it, I don't know...🙂

[@Jedi_Spartan_38]

0:59 Is that imagery a reference to Flesh And Stone?

[@TheTrueBatBrain]

I like this story, probably nostalgia as it was my first Tom Baker serial I watched. Also The Doctor does explain that transmatting Sarah Jane will apparently remove the Cybermat venom from her system because the transmat should on carry her molecules not the poisons. Also the buckle detonation wasn't actually the most powerful bomb in the universe, but a secondary explosive... Not sure why, maybe so the other two would have a chance of carrying the third bomb still if one went off

[@rataca100]

The transmat part is explained as it will seperate the cyberman gunk from the human gunk if caught soon enough. Id consider that a acceptable space amgic sci fi explination

[@Oldermodels_are_twitchy]

when I was a young lad this was my first ever introduction to the cybermen. And I loved it. After many, many rewatchings, it's still a favourite of mine because of that. Is it the best cyberman story? No. Not by a long shot. But it's certainly not the worst.

[@simonorourke4465]

I know what you mean, I had this episode on vhs as a kid and I watched it so many times, it will always be a favourite of mine even though I know it isn't really that great.

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

Next Time: They return to the 80's for a magnificent return, David Banks all in silver, Destroying them at once, And it will all end in tears when one companion dies, They are marching to MrTardis's YT channel to Earthshock, And.. Well let's just say that this review will be 'Excellent!'

[@dalekinthewater4708]

There should be a spin-off Cyberwars series that uses the Revenge Costumes

[@tombrearley-smith5777]

Mr TARDIS' Cybercember rankings so far: 1. Tomb of the Cybermen 2. The Invasion 3. The Tenth Planet 4. The Moonbase 5. The Wheel in Space 6. Revenge of the Cybermen

[@dustin_4501]

I still would put the "Wheel" in 6 place and "Revenge" in 5.

[@Mrazmatmahmood]

I think he liked Moonbase more than Tenth Planet.

[@KingWolfRic]

This story is cursed I literally starting feeling unwell roughly around the time the video came out.

[@sebastiangreenan1774]

I watched this recently when I was struck down with Covid. I had to pause it for a bit as I became fairly delirious and it seemed like the Cybermen were laughing at me, there's nothing worse than being mocked by Revenge Of The Cybermen era Cybermen. Also I think Christopher Lee would be the Cybermen's nemesis, "Man With The Golden Gun".

[@bobo577]

5:16 That effect, I don’t know how it was done but for a 1970s serial, it is really well done.

[@drconners5103]

This episode was the first time the cybermen said “excellent”

[@luckystardoomnjeraxivyurie5415]

8:43. His greatest weakness, the timelord shoulders!

[@johnthewiz]

Back in the day I remember episode 1 being very exiting - and the rest being a yawn. Later on, when I became a 'self aware' fan and fanzines were morphing into Dr Who Weekly, a very great deal of your own observations were being made. It warms my hearts to hear a new generation saying the very same things - though you do emphasize the failings with much greater style and I congratulate you on that. I do still rather enjoy it these days - possibly because I remember my first watch. This was when I started taking notice of the show rather than just watching it. But can I just say - Glitter Guns?! I mean...seriously?

[@appledrawss1353]

your point on "it could have been a new enemy" was one i couldnt agree with more. the weakness, the fact that leader has emotions, all of that wouldve made it a forgettable story. i think the only reason people remember it is because it has cybermen, even though they dont even act like them. if the costume designs and head-guns were used in a different appearance, with a change in voice and a bit more menace, they couldve made a serious impact. shame it took another 6 years for them to come back, but thank god it was with earthshock

[@supertna9154]

How about Cybermen with emotions as it’s shown to be fatal in David Tennant's Doctor Who episode in 2006 The Age of Steel where the Doctor gives all the Cybermen their emotions back. It was also seen in Matt Smith’s second season Closing Time in 2011. However in the last episode of the first season Death in Heaven with Peter Capaldi didn’t have the Cybermen die from emotions.

[@josephryan362]

I love revenge of the cybermen and it is an amazing doctor who story it is a really great doctor who story and I really love it the main actor and the guest star are amazing in it and Gerry Davis writing here is amazing and i love the cybermen and love the speech the fourth doctor says to the cybermen in part 2 and i am looking forward to watching it on dvd at some point in the future and It Is a really great doctor who story i love that there is a clip of one of the cybermen in the last four doctor story he is in part 4 and I also love that the bit where the fourth doctor says you have got no home planet no emotions is used in earthshock that how big of a fan of revenge of the cybermen i am when I first watched it didn't watch any of it but when I first watched earthschock i know that I have to watch it all the way through and have watched revenge of the cybermen all the way through

[@frazzlesreviews5379]

Hang on... why was this video just a revenge Cyberman head played over the Doctor saying: ‘You have no home planet. No influence. NoOooOOooThInG.’

[@bucwhovian8305]

18:11-18:26 TBF you played a clip earlier about how gold was a very soft metal. Also was that the best take you had of the line?

[@Mr_Bunk]

Yes, but an entire _planet_ of solid gold can't really be blown up entirely by *ten* of those weak bombs, let alone *three.*

[@dubliam8064]

@@Mr_Bunk you can if you go to the core

[@Mr_Bunk]

@@dubliam8064 That makes no sense.

[@SurlyInsomniac]

I don't disagree with this review at all and yet I have a soft spot for "Revenge of the Cybermen". IIRC this was the first Doctor Who story I ever saw, so admittedly I'm seeing it through rose-tinted nostalgia goggles. I think it has a lot of charm. I love the location filming and the general mise-en-scène is strong. Weakest story of the season? Maybe, but I still find it more interesting than "Robot".

[@dustin_4501]

Me too like more than "Robot" had more appeal to me.

[@jackevans3480]

The main reason I could never take the Vogans seriously is that their outfits were made - literally - from the same design of net curtains my grandparents had in their lounge. I noticed this straight away and pointed it out to my parents. It was rather like the extensive use of bubblewrap in "The Ark In Space." BBC budgets, I guess.

[@fireflygaming8764]

That minute when you realize that you were able to sit and watch the entirety of this, yet left midway through Part 1 of Genesis of the Daleks.

[@frogoat]

I'm still bummed we never got a proper Pertwee Cybermen story. Oh, and Revenge of the Cybermen isn't all that good.

[@simonorourke4465]

I know it's not good really but I love this episode, I think it's because thus was one of the few classic dr who episodes I had on vhs as a child and I watched it so many times lol. Don't get me wrong I know there are so many better episodes and I'm sure it's purely nostalgia but I will always love it. This is also one of ny favourite designs for the cybermen, the new look in earthshock is also pretty good but I love this look for them.

[@ftumschk]

I'm not so keen on the head-mounted guns, as the Cybermen have to bend their bodies to fix on a target, then locate and push a button on their sides to shoot, which seems rather labour-intensive. The Troughton era's sleek, hand-held Cyberweapons were so much more efficient and convincing.

[@thelegend3965]

I think it was actually explained how Sara was cured when she was transported to The Planet Of Gold. I think he said that the transportation through the transmat would dissipate the poison.

[@SudrianTales]

Sort of a plot hole though

[@RiainRamblez]

This one is always really hard to watch. The only times I've managed have been with commentary or the "Behind the Sofa" segment on the Blu Ray

[@Arson_Hole]

Next time on Cybercember: People never knowing if they were right

[@robstoppablecosplay]

Loved the Marvin the Martian and Family Guy Jokes.

[@markcrorigan554]

seeing as this was released soon after the man with the golden gun im surprised scaramanga wasn’t in it

[@russelltietjen4407]

Tomorrow is going to be EXXXCELLENT! ✊

[@Eddo15878]

I consider gold the only unreasonable weakness. Radiation and bombs in fairness are reasonable because if they are converted humans then they should have the same weakness

[@siddragonis8218]

You’ve made a valid argument. I think it was said somewhere, that the reason the transmat could cure Sarah was because when transmitted, the poison is separated from the body or something like that anyway

[@Morphstock]

I've just rewatched it , I don't mind it but it's not great. This review is about right. There is one moment that no one ever comments on which is Harry's line about being terrible with names , Ian Marter's delivery is hilarious, I never noticed it until now.

[@jamestoney6108]

I love the fact about this season that the Dr is without the tardis for a lot o of the stories

[@benbastianiartmusic1421]

My Dad always told me that this was the first Doctor Who released to the public on VHS as it won the public vote... but I really can't understand why?

[@badbeardbill9956]

Might not have won but it was probably the only one available in full. Another comment implies ”Tomb” won the vote but was missing

[@samuelbrooks1533]

I must admit, Revenge is a guilty pleasure. It's one of the earliest Cyberman stories I saw, and I will forever be proud of that. I completely understand and respect the criticisms of this story given my reviewers such as yourself, but I still have a great time watching it. I'm surprised you didn't bring up the incidental music. Carey Blighton's score often gets a pretty bad rap when people bring up this story, and this was the first story that Peter Howell, the composer of Doctor Who's 1980 theme, worked on Doctor Who. But I love both styles of music, despite their vast differences.

[@samuelbrooks1533]

Also, I've seen a few other people do this, so I shall join in. My best to worst Cyber Stories so far: - Tomb of the Cybermen - Revenge of the Cybermen - The Tenth Planet - The Moonbase - The Invasion - The Wheel in space

[@UgandanPrinc3]

10:55 is that the seal of rassilon in the background? 11:26 can’t sneak anything past you either

[@paulroach9684]

I quite like this. Genesis is great but a bit grim. This is stupid fun.

[@charliesayno9942]

hmmm, I remember Revenge when it was first broadcast and the excitement of seeing the mythical Cybermen back in Doctor Who papered over a lot of the cracks in the plot (irrelevant fact: I had inside info on their return having visited Wookie Hole for Easter 1975 and been told by the tour guide that Doctor Who had been filming scenes with Cybermen there a few months earlier). In retrospect I accept that the story has its problems, but in the pre-Star Wars era scenes like the Cybermen boarding the beacon were incredibly exciting (and I have always enjoyed the totally unfair and unjustified random disdain shown to poor Harry Sullivan). I would argue that it is only 'relatively' poor considering the strength of stories in the 1975 - 77 seasons... maybe it is just nostalgia?

[@bladersmosh]

I have a good feeling that the next infamous classic story that will be covered in the distant future will be Warriors of the Deep.

[@BH-98]

Coming soon, Silurian-cember

[@bladersmosh]

@@BH-98 Not enough episodes sadly to cover it. Maybe for its own review when S21 is released on Blu Ray.

[@KillerMeme]

Ah yes tomorrow is Earthshock..will be getting a review on Part 5 too?

[@omegawilliam95s36]

While yes, Voga is not the only planet with gold, but it is the main producers of the glitterguns in lore, so destroying that would make it harder to produce the ammunition for all who relied on that planet.

[@tmf2506]

1) With the transmat curing Sarah, the doctor says that the transmat should only teleport the human parts and as the poison isn't human it would get left behind. 2) The cyber leader says that the buckle is attached to a second smaller explosive rather than the bomb itself. I know these are nit picks but I thought I'd just say

[@EditedAF987]

That just creates even more problems though, like why didn’t the rest of the crew use the teleport? And why did the Cybermen let the buckle create a smaller explosion when the whole point of the mission is to use the bigger explosion to destroy Voga? That buckle failsafe just gives the three of them a way to prevent the Cybermen’s plans via self sacrifice.

[@ealadubh4800]

I've always assumed that it's the buckle that explodes, not the bomb. It's logical not to have your plan endangered by the bombs going off too early; it's also logical, as well as a show of power, to demonstrate to the humans that any attempt to interfere is going to achieve nothing,

[@kierenevans2521]

'Harry Sullivan is an imbecile!' There's some good bits, I think Lester's self-sacrifice always strikes me (I think it is said the booby-trap is a secondary explosive). But yeah there's a lot of crap. The cybermen are treated too much as robots but yet are weirdly emotional as well.

[@jackryan8736]

To be honest, I saw these episodes about a few weeks ago, and I didn't actually mind them too much. I would agree it's far from the strongest 4th Doctor story, and it also had a hell of a lot of things work against it beforehand because it followed Genesis of the Daleks, but as someone going back and seeing the episodes for the first tie...I found I actually enjoyed them. Though I do admit that might be naivety on my part, or the fact I'm watching this with open eyes and no real expectations, might make me a bad judge on the episodes, and I accept that.

[@genericworld3145]

Are you going to be doing the 5 Doctors ?

[@liamc9998]

That’s actually a good question. Is the 5 Doctor’s a Cyberman story...? - I honestly don’t know. They play a considerable role within the story, but yet they’re just another obstacle and not the central focus of the story.

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

He'll probably cover it on the last day of Cybercember, In the same way as the Daleks despite having some screen time.

[@dustin_4501]

A thought about that came to mind while watching the review.

[@genericworld3145]

@@dustin_4501 it was yes because it's the cybermans next appearance After Earthshock and wandered if that would be reviewed

[@dustin_4501]

@@genericworld3145 I would love Mr Tardis do a review at least on the Cybermen part of the Special but i already say i HATE that the Cybermen die to the Raston Warrior Robot killing all the Cybermen i don't want they to live to the eternaty but that was kinda a humiliation to them. RESPECT TO THE CYBERMEN.

[@danielwilliamson6180]

Revenge of the Cybermen is one of my favourite Doctor Who episodes and Cybermen stories of all time. It had a good story. Tom Baker, Elisabeth Sladen and Ian Marter again gave good performances. David Collings gave a good performance as Vorus. Christopher Robbie did a good job as the Cyberleader. The Wookey Hole caves was the ideal filming location for Voga. Having the actors playing the Cybermen do the voices instead of a voice over actor was a very interesting idea. Sarah Jane Smith getting attacked by the Cybermat in the cliffhanger of Series 1 is one of Doctor Who's best cliffhangers. Ronald Leigh-Hunt later went on to guest star in the 1980 Blake's 7 episode "Children of Auron" as C.A. One. In that episode of Blake's 7, Servalan delibertly unleashes a virus on Cally's planet as part of her plot to use Auron's clong facility to create children. In Revenge of the Cybermen, Professor Kellman manipulates the only surviving Nerva Beacon crew members into thinking the rest of the crew were infected by a virus (In reality Kellman used a Cybermat to poison the crew) as part of Professor Kellman and Vorus's scheme to lure the Cybermen to Nerva Beacon and it use it as a trap so they can destroy the Cybermen with the Skystriker rocket. Revenge of the Cybermen is Doctor Who at it's best and one of the best of the classic series and of the Tom Baker era.

[@davidgeisler9885]

Don't you think Tom Baker acts like the whole thing is a ridiculous pantomime? We have an iconic Who Villain, feared by the Universe, yet the doctor spends 4 episodes joking around, mocking them, taunting them ... he may as well have just gone up to, removed it's helmet and pointed at the face for laughs. Or walked behind one in a mock "cyber walk" pointing at their backs and laughing. That element of this serial is terrible I don't know how this same production team made "Genesis of the Daleks".

[@danielwilliamson6180]

@@davidgeisler9885 The Fourth Doctor was meant to be more alien more eccentric and unpredictable.

[@davidgeisler9885]

@@danielwilliamson6180 IMO he was at his best when he played it seriously such as in Genesis of the Daleks or the Pyramids of Mars. You felt if even Tom Baker's doctor was stressed then wow the stakes must have been huge. When he's goofing around I think it needed a really good story to maintain the dramatic tension such as the City of Death. This serial is not that strong a story. I think it could have been a really good but it sounds like the whole thing was rushed through as the last story of that season.

[@danielwilliamson6180]

@@davidgeisler9885 The Doctor does have a dark side. Then again, I myself is autistic.

[@therealpbristow]

Just agreeing with and clarifying a comment I seem below: Opening the buckle *DOESN'T* set off the main bomb. It causes the *buckle* to explode, thus killing the person carrying it, but leaving the main bomb ready to explode at the same time as the others are triggered. Yeah, so it won't be in the ideal location, but it will still do a lot of damage to the planet. So that plot point (unusually!) does make perfect sense, it just wasn't explained well. As you noted, the script really needed one more draft. Alas, it was due to go into studio ahead of everything else in the season (bar "Robot", which had been shot on the back of the previous season), so... [SAD SHRUG] =:o\ As a 9.7-year-old kid, though, I loved this story. I'd never seen cybermen in action before, just in black & white photos, so I had no idea how "wrong" they were in this one, and just enjoyed the ride (especially the Sarah-Harry dynamic!).

[@benmiller3252]

It's a Shame That neither Leela or the two incarnations of Romana got to Encounter The Cybermen during the tom baker era

[@user-jn1wm3tb8v]

I like this one. It isn't groundbreaking but for a 70s cheesy scifi story it's enjoyable.

[@diamondaxe4133]

I genuinely love the soundtrack

[@richardbuckley1232]

I never really understood the hate on for this story. Maybe I saw it at just the right time as a kid, but I loved it. Lol.

[@Pineaaronapple]

So, will 2021 be master-cember?

[@TGM_Productions]

Next Up: “Earthshock” Time for some real Good cybermen stories! .^.

[@HazarTulum]

Oho, here it is!!

[@peterweeks2066]

You got it wrong about Lester’s bomb going off, and how it was not a very big explosion to be ripping a planet apart. Lester detonated his explosive harness, not the big bomb.

[@Concreteowl]

The planet of "gold" quakes with fear. Bing bong

[@penninefilms4714]

It’s a jolly good adventure, I’ve watched it recently and enjoyed every moment of it. :)

[@williamst.romain7393]

Dude did you pay any attention to this story at all? The explosive in the buckle was separate from the main bomb. The difference between the guardians and the city folk was also easy to understand. Vorus' motivations were obvious. Seriously there are times when I wonder if you are really paying attention at all. It's clear you only really watch the ones you like.

[@martinodoni8943]

2:50 The business about gold is often misinterpreted. Cybermen are not 'allergic' to it or anything like that. The weakness they have is a vulnerability to GOLD DUST, as, unlike other forms of dust (for some reason), it clogs their respiratory apparatus. The writers for Silver Nemesis, of course, stuffed that up and just assumed any contact with gold in any form is lethal to Cybermen. That is a mistake.

[@scl1332]

Along with Kevin Stoney, Michael Wisher (Davros himself) makes an appearance in this story as Magrik who I think is Boris's partner or whatever and he's also completely wasted here making no impact, Revenge of the Cybermen is so bad it wastes the talents of Tobias Vaughn and Davros in one story

[@therealpbristow]

Boris! HA!!! I love it: "Featuring David Collings as the deranged leader of a bunch of people seeking advantegous trade using their excessive supplies of gold, and Michael Wisher as Carrie Simmons..." =:oD

[@stephenwalker2924]

Why did they use shop dummies as stand-ins (or, lie-downs, perhaps) for the dead Beacon crew? Why not use, you know, real extras just pretending to be dead? What the hey?!?

[@timothybarnett1006]

I've a soft spot for this story, the general pathetic-ness of the internecine fighting amongst the Vogans works for me, echoing the scrag-end situation the Cybermen find themselves in. As to the worst story in season 12, that honour falls to _The Sontaran Experiment._ On a meta level the Cybermen having a rubbish story immediately after the Daleks have their best classic series outing I find satisfying too.

[@simonorourke4465]

I agree iv always loved this one due to watching it so often as a kid on vhs, also you are so right I have always hated the sontaran experiment it's so long winded and boring.

[@Jasonvoorhees57469]

I honestly really like revenge of the cybermen

[@lewischerry3552]

Vogons beat the Cybermen by reading them poetry