Doctor Who: The Vanquishers 'Broke Me' | A Changed Opinion ft.

[@sonnylittlejohn9712]

It's like rock paper scissors. Swarm disintegrates Sontarans, Sontarans massacre Lupari, Lupari imprison Swarm.

[@ryanzerda]

About Di rejecting Dan If I had just been thrown into this bizzare universe ending conflict full of death and being at very high risk of death myself, I woulda said "life's short, fuck it, lets go on a date again" - I would immediately have another shot at normality and go on that date. Di does not act like an actual person or feel like she has any sort of character. Tho neither does Dan, so I suppose they'd be the perfect match

[@joelsoetendorp3279]

Was the final episode meant to be a multiple Dr episode but nobody else wanted to turn up?

[@ftumschk]

Evidently not. The the "present" Doctor splitting herself across space and time was a key defence against her enemies. It's even mentioned in the script, when she tells Grand Serpent, "You can't kill me, because not all of me is here" (or words to that effect).

[@Myne1001]

Two things I just want to comment: - I only believed the "Bel & Vinder are the Doctor's parents" purely because we saw the Lungbarrow house. Chris already appropriated most of the major beats of the Cartmel Masterplan, why not go balls to the wall and reveal the parents. He was not subtle with the story of "Brendan" so why would he be subtle now? Turns out it was a massive red herring and I honestly think it was done to troll us. - This series inadvertently retconned part of "The Timeless Children" - in the Master's info dump, he mentions that he found out this stuff because of Tecteun felt bad about what she did and so when her final incarnation died her mind was uploaded to the Matrix like all Time Lords, she hid the story of the Timeless Child as the story of Brendan. Episode Five of Flux just outright retconned that because she doesn't die of Time Lord old age, just gets yeeted out of existence. Also she doesn't seem to have any regrets about experimenting on the Timeless Child, even tries to deflect with accusing the Doctor of using her companions as experiments. Not a huge retcon, but I had a good chuckle that even Chris can't stay consistent with his own fanfic.

[@newman476]

The contradictory information could actually have been a clue for a much bigger twist, if Chibnall was a more competent writer. It’s like how the reveal of Ruth as an incarnation of the Doctor heavily contradicts that she’s supposed to be pre-Hartnell.

[@pete2097]

Why was azure hiding, in the Arctic? From the division or her brother? What was the warning beacon ? Was that ever explained?

[@shortangel333]

Why did she say Ascension when she die?

[@gunnarerth]

I was wondering about it too. It wasn't explained.

[@mtdl3x]

What I am absolutely furious about is that Ruth so far had 20 minutes of screentime, or less. There was this whole talk about "guys, look! we have the first black woman to play The Doctor ever! surely we will use that opportunity, right?" and then she is just litteraly a plot device with clearly a superior characterisation trying to break through. I'm just sad about this.

[@alphs2673]

Well, they managed to waste most of the screentime of the first woman to play the Doctor, so...

[@lucasoheyze4597]

I agree so far, but theres still a possibility she'll play a bigger role in next year's specials ending Jodie Whitaker's run as Chibnall wraps things up.

[@anitasteele4052]

@@lucasoheyze4597 Ruth is a fabulous Dr, she transcends color, definitely a missed opportunity …

[@lucasoheyze4597]

@@anitasteele4052 Hard to say she's "fabulous" based on such a little amount, but she certainly brought a bigger presence to the character in those short scenes than Jodie has in three whole seasons.

[@samharris266]

I wasn't alive when Dimensions in Time happened and I think people wanted to spare me from knowing about it. So when Tharries mentioned it I looked it up and not gonna lie, it's hilarious.

[@lucasoheyze4597]

I saw it broadcast on the night, and it was a chaotic mess even then, and the effects were bad for the time, never mind now 😆

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

I have several complaints (Although I have some good things to say about the episode too, this isn't the worst Chibnall episode!), but when you were talking about Time as a physical being, this came back to my mind. Why did they start calling the planet with the Temple of Atropos on it "Atropos", when it was on a planet called "Time" originally?

[@lukesaintloup2174]

Hahaha huge if true

[@zitagirl1]

Simple answer: Nobody proof-read the script and Chibnall doesn't know how to keep things consistent.

[@jayanderson9375]

Best, I’d say!

[@brittany1049]

ok, this is super nitpicky but it’s bothering me SO MUCH: WHERE is the SUNLIGHT coming from, if the Lupari ships made a solid shield around the planet!!? I know that’s minor in comparison to all the other issues this season, but my god is it annoying me.

[@owenwildish331]

Plot twist, the Tardis itself is the real Timeless Child... rather than the Doctor... (Which would actually work if done well considering the title of Doctor Whos very first episode 'An Unearthly Child' & the very thing we're introduced to in that story, it could tie-in nicely with the 60th anniversary special... though it could be pretty dark if the Tardis was once a humanoid being who had been turned into a living time/space machine)

[@TheEldritchGod]

I just googled "Doctor Yaz slash fic", and I hate to admit it, just skimming over the first few hits I can honestly say User: ChipperDyke could have wrote a better episode.

[@detectivesquirrel2621]

Seems like the inclusion the Ood, Kate Stewart, Sontarons, Daleks & Cybermen was basic fan service.

[@jayanderson9375]

Yep! Loved it for that!

[@richardcoleman3425]

I don't think it was fan service - I think it was done just to pull in fans of those characters and races that otherwise wouldn't give the show the time of day anymore... Just like what was done with the ridiculous Star Trek: Picard and members of the Enterprise D crew...

[@5thar]

The irony of Jay borderline describing the conclusion of broadchurch season 1 at 10:00 in the vid is glorious 😂😂

[@leipherd8118]

Really? I used exactly the same analogy over on Gallifery Base and I've never seen Broadchurch. That's pretty damning.

[@5thar]

@@leipherd8118 It fascinates me how few people have actually watched broudchurch in our community (that's not an insult towards you or anything, just an observation). You frequently hear KZbinrs say that Chris used to be a great writer but I watched all of broadchurch and chris is one heck of a consistent writer. His stuff works as an experience but not as something to be thought about for more then a second 😂😂

[@leipherd8118]

@@5thar If I'm anything to go by, Torchwood probably put a lot of people off!

[@5thar]

@@leipherd8118 Oh god don't get me started on that😭😭😭😭

[@MrDylanJones]

**Spoilers for Broadchurch series 1*** I'm really confused about how you think that Jay is "borderline describing" Broadchurch? Yes, it turns out to be the Husband of DS Ellie Miller, but the series was great at introducing plenty of suspects so it isn't comparable to what Jay is saying...

[@richardcoleman3425]

Whilst I have no respect for Chibnall, and indeed just consider him a fanfic level hack when it comes to writing scifi, is it possible that this series is such a thorough mess because he was told to bury the Timeless Child storyline and reset for the return of RTD mid-story? They literally bury the pocket watch in the depths of the Tardis, and quickly and needlessly kill off Tecteun... Maybe it'll all come back in the Specials, but to me it all feels rushed and re-written, and so much less than what has been promised (to the minority that still care, and to whom they have been pandering)... Vinder/Bel - pointless storyline; Kate Stewart - pointless storyline; The Grand Serpent - pointless storyline for a nobody; Dan - just along for the ride; The Swarm and Azure - ultimately pointless characters; And they should have kept Jericho and dumped Dan for a better dynamic in the Tardis... The only thing Chibnall has done with his "expand the stories by creating new past Doctors" is too reduce the size of the Universe by about 90%. Literally shrank the Universe to expand the the number of stories... Duh! I dunno, this is Bootleg Who anyway, so I don't even know why I'm bothering commenting... Except maybe to say "Really enjoy your channel, Tharries! And thanks for the introduction to Jay Exci - loved that fantastic essay on the Fall of the Doctor - you're a joy!" Be safe, both. ;)

[@adamdunne8534]

Well said.

[@ZatoichiBattousai]

Chibbz has no idea what to do with the Doctors past, he is just leaving us bread crumbs that lead to a cliff into the void. So stupid...also Tectaun was there just to double down on the Timeless Child and then she dies, for no reason, even though she is over 10 Billion years old and would have contingencies, otherwise she is the stupidest ancient one to exist LOL

[@morgan1687]

I don’t think people realise that by next year Chibnall will have been showrunner as long as RTD (5 years) and giving the benefit of the doubt doesn’t work when Chibnall has turned out less content of a lesser quality for 5 years. What’s always struck me is how RTD gave 3/4 main companions full satisfying stories in that time (and many more secondary characters alongside cohesive seasonal arcs) and people are only just beginning to like Yas, Ryan and Graham have already been forgotten. Dan won’t leave much of an impact and all his stories have been divisive and critically panned. It’s hard to be objective about it

[@TheEldritchGod]

This? This is what broke you? This was the line? Everything else? Nope. But THIS is what broke you? Wow. Well... welcome to the club.

[@jayanderson9375]

😂😂😅

[@FeliGoblin]

Who's this for? It's for Chris Chibnall

[@jayanderson9375]

And the core audience who have been following this for decades!

[@TPH250290]

@@jayanderson9375 lol sure.

[@michaelgibbins7221]

Time and Death were established as higher dimensional entities/forces etc back in the days of the Virgin New Adventures and then seen again in audios like Chimes of Midnight … but those were decently written… it’s just such a convoluted mess these days that everything falls apart with the slightest scrutiny 😔

[@patrick_j_lee]

Those weren't the physical forms of those concepts, they were Eternals (gods) of those things (eternal of Time, eg,).

[@whatsup4825]

Flux is the 21st century Trial of a Time Lord. An interesting concept that drops the ball and limps towards a well meaning but ultimately uninspired and sloppy ending.

[@gladiator652004]

I preferred Jay's Doctor Who adventure about dead guide dogs and dead parents. In "Flux", even the Flux was incoherent. Early on, we see Vinder watching it consume planets. But in the middle it seems to have mainly a distorting effect on time. And then at the end we have the "final Flux event". But we already saw a Flux event at the outset with Vinder which seemed pretty final. How twice?

[@Docktavion]

Yeah they changed the nature and abilities of the flux repeatedly just for the grand reveal that it’s ‘antimatter!!’, which was a what moment as when that’s been used in the past, that’s not how it reacts/interacts with matter (in universe and in ours). Like three Doctors episode from classic era.

[@TheIrvy]

Surely if the Tardis-like Passenger could absorb the Flux, then the Flux should have been absorbed by the Tardis at the end of the first episode?

[@Docktavion]

@@TheIrvy yeah 100%, same with the lupari ships being able to fend off the flux for all this time, being co-opted by the sontarans to save them from the flux. Then being taken over by the dr, just to find out that oops no the lupari ships aren’t safe from the flux now.

[@TheIrvy]

@@Docktavion Yeah, it's like the Sontaran episode. The Doctor beat the Sontarans because she found out, from a civilian, that all of the Sontarans go beddybyes for the same 7 minutes, and now they're barely an inconvenience, and they're beaten. The premise of the first episode is completely swept away and replaced by a convenient "Oh, it's anti matter, now it's easy to destroy". It's like doing a 6 part serial on an asteroid that's going to destroy the Earth and all life on it, and then in the last 5 minutes you find out the asteroid was just a smudge on the telescope lens and we were never actually in any danger.

[@Docktavion]

@@TheIrvy that’s not just the sontarans episode every cliffhanger ends in a second or not resolved at all just brushed away

[@alphs2673]

Awesome, Jay always brings great insights.

[@TheIrvy]

I've given a lot of thought to this season, and the best thing I can say about it is that thank Jesus there weren't 13 episodes. The Chibnall era has fallen foul to the current misconception that token inclusion and diversity means it has to be good or you're a bigot. We have a Mary Sue group of people now who think that you don't need to learn from your elders, you don't need to study or research, you don't need a plan, and if anyone points out your obvious errors you can call them a hater and ignore them. This is what happens when you do that: your work looks childish because you've made all the errors you wouldn't have made if you'd listened. All the points you make here are spot on. The Doctor is not the Doctor. The Doctor would care. She would care about triple genocide, she would care about a former companion having a gun to their head if they talk about their time with her, she would care, but she doesn't. The Chibnall era has been like they let a Blue Peter competition winner be the show runner. Well done Chrissy, you collected the most bottle tops, you can run our flagship series. Just make sure we never have to make the Doctor female ever again, and make sure that nobody cares that we're selling the franchise to Sony. Job done, this run has succeeded at both. Chris Chibnall, you ARE the Weakest Link. Goodbye.

[@gabrieleghut1344]

This Doctor didn't care much about anybody. The Doctor always was selfish, because he wanted company and not feel lonely in his travels. This Doctor doesn't care and doesn't gives a f... about anyone except herself and her past.

[@TheIrvy]

@@gabrieleghut1344 The Doctor only left Gallifrey because he cared. He travels all of time in space and doesn't interfere... unless he hears a child crying. Yes, he's always passing through, he doesn't stick around, except when he does. He's learned a lot since the old days when he was an old and cranky man. We had an entire Christmas special where he met himself from back then and there was a lot of humour in how much he'd grown since then. Before he regenerated he gave herself a speech, he told herself to be kind, then he regenerated and she ignored himself completely and went and did the complete opposite, and has been running roughshod over the entire universe ever since. She found her Tardis's sister, and then killed her to clean up her own Dalek mess. She seems completely overwhelmed while nervously piloting the Tardis, and after 3 years of that it's now leaking black goo and has doors popping up all over the shop, and there's only 2 whole planets left in the entire universe, and every other race in the universe other than Earth humans are dead. Then, after finally getting what she'd risked dying and the death of the universe to get, she decided she didn't want it after all and hid it in the centre of the dying Tardis (Maybe she can regenerate back into a man and he'll open it for her). Is Chibnall really writing to every female stereotype? That's not progressive.

[@williamjohnson928]

Reminds me of the Foundation Novel: Hardin, after "...eliminating meaningless statements, vague gibberish, useless qualifications -- in short, all the goo and dribble," finds there was nothing left. Everything cancelled out. Lord Dorwin, in five days of discussion didn't say one damned thing, and said it so you never noticed!"

[@peterd788]

There never was an answer. Three episodes were doable. One got moved forward to the Easter Special. So, with the two that were left Chibnall came up with some inserts into those two with connecting episodes mostly done on cheap sets with vast amounts of green screen. That meant giving the actors in the possible episodes extra work and inventing an alternate strand to fill time. The only reason for the centenary episode is that a regeneration was impossible because the Easter episode couldn't accommodate it because it was actually something done for an episode prior to the unchibbed Angel episode.

[@littlesodcast7553]

Maybe it’s ok for doctor who just to be enjoyable sometimes. You’re initial visceral reaction isn’t invalidated by your subsequent analysis of the episode and it’s weaknesses. This is most evident to me when I watch it with my 12 year old. He just loves the thrill ride and us oblivious to the mechanics of the plot. I definitely think this had many problems but you’re allowed to still say: guess what? I enjoyed it!

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

This is a point. Sometimes it can just be fun. I personally was bored to tears by the episode, but I'm so happy that there are people that do like it!

[@5thar]

I agree entirely, I really want just a season where it's fun, no world ending stakes, just some fun, I just want to smile. In this ep I just felt apathetic and it saddens me even as I'm watching, not to mind in the aftermath😶😕

[@gf1006]

Its just not as fun as it once was, like it or not its just boring now, your 12 year old would much prefer series 1-10 minus 7

[@littlesodcast7553]

@@gf1006 my point isn’t that it’s better than previous eras. It’s simply that there’s no shame in enjoying this era on some level. From 1963 onwards we’ve had lesser seasons/series but there’s no shame in continuing to enjoy this epic show that we love. I can’t see why one would retrospectively decide to dislike something, thereby disregarding the initial delight experienced on an unfiltered first watch. It does make me suspect that the influence of wider opinion may have been a factor in Tharries case. I hoped he’d own his opinions of yesterday even if he was less impressed at the plot upon closer scrutiny. No disrespect though - these two both do great work!

[@FerretLG1]

@@littlesodcast7553 it’s called critical thinking? Imo it’s hard to form much of an opinion on something after 1 viewing because you’re there for the ride and probably don’t have as much to analyse. Once you’ve seen it again, and you know what’s coming - you might start analysing and comparing or questioning if X, Y or Z actually works. Happy if you genuinely still enjoy it and no one is taking that away, but if you’re suggesting we should just remain oblivious to plot mechanics to enjoy something - it’s a bit of an insult to the audiences intelligence and shows a lack of accountability for the writers to write anything of quality. If something doesn’t hold up under scrutiny, it shouldn’t just be Ignored because you still want to like it. I think you’re doing a bigger disservice to the show of you want to pretend everything’s hunky dory. Like, I can point to some episodes I genuinely believe aren’t well written but I can enjoy them for how ridiculous they are or how shlocky they might be, as this show can be sometimes. (Which of course quality is subjective also. I know quite a few folk dislike say, series 8 and like series 9 better generally- I honestly think the latter is far worse. I think series 11 is actually better than series 12 - probably not a very popular opinion either, but I respect if for trying some new identity beyond really OTT lore reliance. I still don’t really like it, but I respect it more - and there’s some good stories there). Are there people who go in wanting to hate it? Sure. But they only do it for clout and I’m sure most can hazard a guess at some names who fall into this category. Is Tharries one of them? I doubt it.

[@MrDarthT]

What VInder does is gets captured by Passenger, to lead The Doctor to Passenger, so Passenger can be used to generate enough matter to stop the Flux. I don't understand, though, how The Doctor was able to summon Passenger. I could understand if they landed The TARDIS around Passenger, and then kick it out the door when they get to The Flux.

[@lewispascoe1145]

Please, Jay, for my Christmas present, tell me you recorded you, Fringy and Mauler watching the episode. Please.

[@MyNameIsExci]

I did indeed.

[@mathieuleader8601]

I think the Ravager Time is responsible for the time loop in Eve of the Daleks or the Doctor dropping the fob watch with her memories into the Heart of the TARDIS is causing the time loop causing the TARDIS to die and for the doctor to start afresh.

[@sinix6297]

Glad you made this. I thought we'd lost you to the Darkside. It was Really Bad. All of it.....RTD has got a lot to do. Keep up the Good work Tharries.

[@vincentspencer6046]

Her twin at the end who help her said your not going to regenerate again when you have my memory

[@fraserjackson]

As I understood it (always an important caveat with Chibnall's writing!) there's nothing specially technological about the Lupari ships, it's just that the more matter you can put in the way of the flux, the more you absorb it - all that's special about the Lupari fleet is that 7 billion spaceships contain a lot of matter.

[@TheIrvy]

So the ENTIRE Lupari race voluntarily suicided to save the Earth?

[@fraserjackson]

@@TheIrvy No, they had already been killed by the Sontarans at this point. Calvanista (sp.?) was controlling all 7 billion ships from a central control point. But I see your point - back when the Lupari first reached earth, they were touted as being able to protect earth from the flux, with no implication that their ships would gradually be absorbed by/absorb the anti-matter. Yet again, the story changes between episodes depending on the needs of the plot!

[@TheIrvy]

@@fraserjackson I meant right from the beginning. The Lupari would have needed to destroy several solar systems to come up with the raw materials to build 7 billion ships big enough to surround the Earth and strong enough to withstand a force that could destroy entire solar systems. Then ALL of the Lupari abandoned their own home world, which would have been destroyed by the Flux, just so that they could protect the Earth and die in the process. The ships surrounded the planet, but in the last episode it's now a flat wall that the Flux couldn't get around because it's a millennial and that would mean walking around the wall and that would be hassle. The Sun and Moon were both outside the wall and therefore destroyed, yet behind the impervious wall it's still daylight on Earth, even though there's no Sun or Moon. The Flux hit Earth in the first episode, when it wasn't absorbed by the Tardis, and then hit the Earth again in the last episode, and was absorbed by a Passenger. There's still no Sun or Moon, so it's a question of whether we die because all the plants are dead or because the Earth is now wobbling because it's lost the moon's counter balance (Isn't the moon an egg anyway? Another genocide).

[@TheIrvy]

Of course, if the Lupari had used their ships to, oh, I don't know, surround the Flux instead of one measly planet, they might have saved the universe.

[@fraserjackson]

@@TheIrvy I agree. At some point somebody will come up with a complete itemised list of the plot holes in 'The Flux' (I mean the series), but you might need 7 billion Terabytes of data to store it!

[@TheNintendoFanBoy01]

THANK YOU...... I didn't even think of UNIT.... TOTALLY didn't need to be in the story. Chibnal is the WORST writer of all Doctor Who time. At the beginning of story, first 2 episodes, it seemed like it could be interesting. RTD needs to do a dream sequence. Best way.... Instead of waking up as Capaldi. Have Jody do the wake up and say that was weird and go into Regen. IT leaves her as a Doctor but negates all of Chibnal's trash.

[@justsomerandomguyonline1144]

Chibnall is the worst writer of Doctor Who? No Moffat is

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

@@justsomerandomguyonline1144 Moffatt wrote good episodes when he wasn't the showrunner, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Blink, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead. Even when Chibnall wasn't the showrunner, his episodes were still quite bad. 42 is probably his best, but others he's created include The Power of Three, an absolutely unbearable episode. However, I will say, I do not want you to change your opinion based on my opinion. This is just my opinion.

[@justsomerandomguyonline1144]

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer please tell me how any of those Moffat written episodes are good? Blink is the worst episode of The RTD era and even Moffat fans hate Silence in The Library

[@TPH250290]

@@justsomerandomguyonline1144 You're kidding right?

[@justsomerandomguyonline1144]

@@TPH250290 no I’m not

[@mathieuleader8601]

I think the Flux and the Ravagers would have worked better if they where a returning Chibnall villain the Shakri and the Tally from the Matt Smith episode the Power of 3 and that the flux was the fabled Day of Reckoning foretold in time lord mythology as well as adding depth to Kate Stewart's involvement as he participated in the Slow Invasion and the Flux was created because of the Doctors universal reboot in Big Bang and the whole timeless child origins was a consequence of the reboot and the Flux was created to revert the universe back to the one before Big Bang 2.0

[@leipherd8118]

7 billion Sontarans survived the genocide on the Lupari ships.....

[@mathieuleader8601]

considering we are getting a pirate themed episode the Corsair is making their big televised debut

[@JohnSmith0137]

There are literally 3 episodes and they’re gonna give every answer from the last 3 seasons in that last episode. We all know the first two specials will be random so it’s just stupid. i doubt they can fit in all of them

[@rrstows3522]

Chibbnal ,is a soap writer and j Whittaker is a soap actor. Out of there depth , should never have been given Dr who.

[@alphs2673]

Hey, I've seen much better writing in soaps

[@vincentspencer6046]

I thought the other doctor double add all the memory she didn't have from her the other doctor watch

[@Potatoboii2]

I'll be honest , I was kinda hoping that karvanista would , upon finding out the lupari are dead , would start talking about the division..

[@lucasoheyze4597]

Yep, a few more noble sacrifices would definitely have given some weight to the story.

[@evelynrawson1274]

How would you feel about a big finish story with the Fugitive Doctor and Karvinesta

[@shortangel333]

See both of those actors deserve it. They're literal diamonds in this era.

[@jamesa.fitzpatrick1566]

Chris Chibnall - the Tommy Wiseau of DW

[@markallem1267]

Damn funny because it’s true!

[@Jamestopboy]

Well, initially, didn't Chibnall say it was going to be an eight part series? So I think it was intended that episode 6 would be "UNIT shizz", episode 7 would be "1904 shizz", episode 8 would be "finale". Then, due to COVID - or the BBC wanting more for the 2022 year and the Centenary and cutting it to 6 and carrying 2 over - it all had to be shrunk down. And Tecteun needed Swarm and Azure because, in episode 1, the Doctor said that Karvanista was the last *active* member of Division, implying Division was running low on people and had to take the drastic measures.

[@eastlynburkholder3559]

Micheal York was split into 3 , I bet that is why Chibnal set up 3 Jodie.

[@ianyorke2617]

The fact that super fans like yourselves struggle to understand the stories, motivations, what the heck actually happened etc :-) shows how bad Chibnall's Dr Who is :-(

[@michaelreindel6975]

Even the first series/season of *Broadchurch* was, in retrospect, just a LOT of pointless set-ups, dead-ends, exposition-dumps, dangling-threads, red-herrings… 🤷🏼‍♂️ …and it all just suddenly *stopped* when [SPOILER!] the killer randomly turned himself in. Chibnall is a terrible, and lazy, writer. He just spit-balls bad ideas, then doesn’t even bother to clean-up his own messes. And he also tells those stories like an over-caffeinated child would: “And then… and then… and then… and then… and then… and then… and then…” 🤦🏼‍♂️ Y’know, I’ve been watching *Who* since the ‘70s. I’ve got an official (read: expensive) RubberToes replica of the 12th Doctor’s sonic screwdriver. But Chibnall’s tenure has, effectively, killed my enthusiasm. It’s not even *Doctor Who* anymore. It’s *Chris Chibnall’s The Timeless Child* and it’s just a depressing chore to sit through…

[@TheEldritchGod]

I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I haven't been watching the show. What's up with the wookie?

[@alphs2673]

He had to, on the same day, face deep personal trauma and the genocide of his entire race, just to immediately be the victim of speciecism from humanoids treating a millenar sentient being with dog jokes. 8 billion wookies killed, the Doctor smiles and is ready for more adventures.

[@alphs2673]

He also has a badass axe

[@jamesa.fitzpatrick1566]

RTD here is your solution to CC. 13 is still in the Matrix and never left after S12E10

[@eastlynburkholder3559]

Chibnal is like the evil stepsisters who will rip off the pretty bits of Cinderella's dress, the pile of stuff on the floor does not zmmount to a dress or a story.

[@Gamingdude1618]

Cool 😎

[@PaulMabley]

I wonder when we'll get 'The Directors Cut'?

[@Sam-zu5mr]

WTFlux?!

[@hgelbaugh]

I think this is all leading to omega ...3 doctors. Also the regeneration from. Troughton seems to be. 3 etc....I also think this is all the centorial

[@lucasoheyze4597]

People keep expecting these kind of things, but they never ever pan out. Everyone said the Grand Serpent was going to be the Mara, for instance.

[@xsm5525]

or the Valeyard

[@lucasoheyze4597]

@@xsm5525 Yes, I did see that mentioned somewhere too. It seems very rare these kind of theories, the ones where a current character is theorised to be an old one like the Mara, the Rani etc, do come true. Omega would be a great one to bring back, but hopefully in a big story that lives up to the potential.

[@888bangthory]

So much irrelevance, just stuff happening for the sake of it , but I had a good time watching it at least , it wasn’t a chore like much of series 11

[@scix8794]

Flux didnt disappoint, By that I mean it was exactly as I thought it would be. Some interesting ideas and characters setup, with 1 great episode in the middle; but overall a very average season of tv. Normally i would write a massive essay on each of its components, but honestly i dont even have the energy to do that. All i am waiting for is RTD2 so we can be done with this era of the show. Ep1:-I thought this was pretty good. I liked Dan and all the setup was decently done. Also the Lupari are probably the best thing to come out of the chibnall era. 6.5/10 Ep 2:-This was a genuinely good episode. I liked the Sontarans and Mary Seacole. The battle was a amazing thing to see in doctor who. 7.5/10 Ep 3:- Here is my controversial opinion of this season, this is the best who episode since twice upon a time. I love the concept and it was executed really well. Sure there were some negatives(mainly Yaz's sisters dialogue). 8.5/10 Ep 4:-This was a mixed bag. On the first watch i LOVED the siege of thw angels, everything else i found pretty good. But after thinking about it, the angels were very nerfed. Still it definitely has more good than bad 6.5/10 Ep 5:- This was the episode that just left me dry. I was so dissapointed eith pretty much everything. This was a bad episode. 3/10 Ep 6:-A slight improvement over the previous one. The only reason i think of this as an improvement is because I was expecting another timeless children. The doctor killing all the sontarans made me furious. It was nice to see Kate but she didnt do anything. Thw Serpent wasted, the swarm wasted,etc 3.5/10 So 2 words, Wasted Potential. Sidenote am I the only one mad about the fact that the special is call 'Eve of the Daleks'. Couldn't they find a word starting with 'Re' and ending with 'tion'? Well atleast its over now. Hope RTD2 beings us some great doctor who.

[@Fooq]

If I were to put it as positively as I could, I'd say it was like five episodes building up to a less-than-mediocre average Doctor Who episode.

[@cosmog420]

I'm disappointed the sontarans were not wearing masks and practicing social distancing during the invasion of earth, I would have that at least expected the sontarans to have known better to defend against microscopic enemies

[@SuperDouginator]

Sontarens aren’t shills

[@ftumschk]

They're obviously anti-Straxers

[@shortangel333]

but chocolate

[@vincentspencer6046]

The doctor at the end a tear rolled down her face

[@Im_Evie_Now]

Who's your friend? She's kinda bad 😍

[@caberknight9013]

I thought it hilarious the doctor nearly forgot about Kate and the professor. I enjoyed the episode but in a complete “shut my brain off and let it happen” kind of way. I hate it from a story perspective but it kept my attention I guess

[@mjkjelland13]

Shitnall is a hack, I can't wait until he is gone. I like Jodie, just not as the Doctor.

[@harryturton5015]

I think flux as a whole was a bit messy, but still reasonably enjoyable. I think it would benefit large amounts from some plots being cut out, or a couple more episodes. But I still found it fun enough on first watch, something I’ve had with very little of Chibnalls era. I can get why people hate it, but it’s not as bad as a lot of people seem to be making out. I think that Jay is right in saying that he wanted to tell a new story separate of the timeless child shit. (Which I hate btw.) But it’s so big, you can’t just ignore it. I’m hoping that there’s a small amount of potential to solve all the problems, if the twist referenced by time discussing regeneration and the master almost retcons the timeless child arc. (I doubt this will happen.) I think the show at the minute has the same problem the Star Wars sequels had. As in everything was a reaction to fans, but the problem with fan bases is that they’ll never fully agree. And with the internet, people will be loud enough to effect peoples opinions. I’ve spoken to people who hate all three of chibnalls series and some who hate them all. And the truth is the show isn’t that deep. I think Stubagful was right when he was talking about how the show is just bland and lifeless for the most part under chibnall. At least flux fixes this to some extent, but at the same time I’m so bored of the show. Flux was kind of interesting cause it by its design had suspense, yet taking that away, most of the episodes were really dull. Overall I think flux was better than most of what chibnall made, and I’m slightly hopeful the specials are okay. But the truth is the show is gonna struggle until the fan base either stop being Uber critical, and looking back on RTD and Moffat with rose tinted spectacles. I just hope RTD’s return and the end of Jodie’s doctor are good, and the fans get behind the show going forward. I

[@blackphoenix77]

Awful finale to a fairly decent series.

[@renegadetimelord1148]

Can't stand Jay. Hate the way he looks and talks

[@JayExci]

👍

[@richardcoleman3425]

So... You're intimidated by intelligent, good-looking people... Who cares?