Does ATN Suck?! Follow Up - X-Sight 4K Pro 5-20 Power NV Optic

Today on the Bear Independent show, Bear re-reviews the ATN X-SIGHT 4K Pro 5-20 Power NV Optic.
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[@jimyowell850]

The whole theory behind the "1 shot zero" is to fire ONE shot... *NOT* a group of 5! Once you fire the ONE shot, you then leave 1 crosshair centered on the target, move the second crosshair to the actual point of inpact and press save. When you fire a GROUP, how can you be sure which one to use... Inaccuracies are built into a group that is not there with one point of impact.

[@constitutionalqrf1713]

ACCURACY BY VOLUME lol. he adjusted his group to his group. I actually use 3 shot groups to adjust for POA/POI changes. One shot isn't always indicative of "average" shot placement in an AR. That's why we use 5 shot groups to gauge accuracy instead of 3 shot groups.

[@jimyowell850]

@@constitutionalqrf1713 °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° Yes, I understand that. I'm just saying the one shot zero feature is supposed to be performed as described by ATN. Once you have done that, then you can test if the zero procedure worked by firing groups. I joke a lot by saying my motto is "when all else fails, read the directions," but when the directions from the manufacturer tells you how to do something, why not START THERE? I have watched multiple videos by people who HAVE performed the procedure as instructed by ATN, and it's worked flawlessly in every case.

[@jimyowell850]

@@waynehendrix4806 I would NEVER use Tula ammo...

[@fish_on_gang1436]

True I’m clueless why he’s shooting 5 to 10 shots to zero out when the instruction tells you to one shot zero like everyone else does it on KZbin they had no problem at all 🤦🏻

[@nickrobinson9503]

@@jimyowell850 you are correct, this scope is beyond some user’s understanding

[@vanclaydietrich4211]

If you cannot handle a slight use of a computer don’t buy this scope! This scope performs flawlessly if you have a small amount of tech common sense. Use mine next to my friend with Pulsar trail he has to ask me to identify animal, like dog or coyote I have saved a few farmers pets over the years!

[@dontworrybout2664]

Yeah this guy was kind of a igggnant ace hole.

[@nemohoes9792]

Lmao for real. It doesn’t take an electrical engineer to update firmware. My three year old daughter can watch the 5minute video on how to and see that it’s done.

[@RedNeckSurgeyTech]

It it a night scope.

[@mizke420]

I can also say this optic performs very well. UPDATE THE FIRMWARE It’s a good thing and fixes most out of the box quirks. I too thought mine was bad out the box because I mounted and started shooting. It’s been sitting for a year only charged for an hour one time. Was getting target out of range errors as soon as I started it. So I updated the firmware to the current version and it’s back to being perfect. It was last updated 2yrs ago Once every 2yrs firmware updates are totally ok with me. It’s got a great price to performance and features point, quality made not a hassle to update. Takes less then a minute.

[@Smitherrrs]

When the grid goes down this thing is useless, much like yourself.

[@pwesley5854]

I have used this scope for over 3 years. I did the one shot zero. Following the instructions. It zeroed perfectly. I consistently shoot .092 to .096 inch groups (5 shots) at 100 yds. Ive never had to adjust it. I zeroed at 100 yds, as suggested by ATN.

[@gamerscomplete]

The reason they come with "out of date firmware" is because they are likely continually developing it which is why it has the ability to be updated at all. From the time of manufacture to the time you take possesion of it, they have like already created at least 1 new version thats fixing some sort of bugs with it or adding new features which is why they want you to upgrade it when you get it, so youre on the latest. I would suspect the issue you had with the first one was some sort of bug they had during the time yours was manufactured.

[@practicalamerican8152]

I have had this very same scope for 2 years and I have enjoyed it very much.. I have used it in -10 blue is -10 below 0 to + 95 Fahrenheit. Is as an avid Coyote hunter it has been put through the test and has worked out well for me. The 1 shot 0 works just fine and does not require it being tied down in a lead sled. If you want to shoot farther at night you will need to spend some extra money on a higher powered illuminator.

[@nunnabeeswax2397]

Can someone revive Todd? I am pretty sure he had a coronary reviewing this video. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@strangleholdoutdoors]

I have one but haven't used it yet. Can you get away with just charging the scope and sighting it in?

[@AR15PartsAndAccessories]

The best night vision scope I’ve ever owned So clear and precise!

[@MrCoder14]

Guy kinda comes off like a tool. The scope itself tells you to update the firmware. But he just says over and over "truth in advertising". Dude doesn't get how the oneshot zero works. Mine sees very well with a little illumination from the moon without the illuminator, and much better with it. Yes everyone knows the illuminator it comes with can be upgraded for even more range. I have this scope, bought it cheap refurbished 3 years ago and it works great. I have another thermal. I appreciate a company that makes good products that regular joes can afford.

[@suburbanhomesteadoutfitter4135]

always start with big paper or cardboard behind target. Something that shows hits even when off paper.

[@andrewvare3173]

Love that it says "step 6: shoot the damn thing!". Proper instructions.

[@delraydan1939]

Thank you for the review Brotha...

[@GhostRiderUSA]

Nice review. I recently picked up an ATN LTV 3-9 and it has been working good.

[@juliewriston980]

❤ God bless you brother..

[@Squimd]

I’m not in the night vision game. I wonder if thermals would be a better investment?

[@usmcwaterrescue]

Closing one eye aiming with the scope 😂😂😂. Are you a Pirate now? 😂

[@scottieeasley4907]

I still have the Box and everything that came with it. BRAND NEW.

[@JERRYMILLETT]

I purchased the ATN night day scope from day one I had nothing but software issues. The screen would lock up and freeze in the middle of a hunt numerous times. I could not get any help from their warranty department. I ended up throwing it in a drawer and I purchased the sightmark 3 years ago and I have not had one issue the scope is Bulletproof. Now the sightmark Wraith does not have all the bells and whistles like the ATN but it works.

[@jimmykirkpatrick3726]

I got the sightmark wraith for under $500,and love it

[@OkieJackOutdoors]

How did you get ATN to respond when you contacted them?

[@scottieeasley4907]

The scope mount will come loose after handful of shots as well

[@jonathandavis7810]

I love the 36 yard zero. I've only used it on red dots. How well does it work for a longer range scope??

[@Korruptor]

Ballistics is ballistics. With scopes though, is recommended that one confirm precision at distance and adjust accordingly.

[@rickhahn8812]

Just got one of the 3×9' from atn. Had trouble with it out of the box. Wouldn't power up charged battery still nothing. Called ATN talked to service he ran me throw some trouble shooting still would not power up. So he had another one sent to me with a prepaid box to send the bad one back. This new one seems to be working find so far. Guess what I'm trying to say is their customer service is really decent to work with no BS run around

[@Light_357]

A major feature is videoing through it. I find it hilarious u didn’t.

[@anandsammy4078]

I was worried there for a minute or two, having purchased this scope to mount onto a .457 Texan Airgun. I would say your video answered quite a few questions for me naturally, I’ll draw my own conclusions. My ATX 3-14 arrives later this week, can’t wait! 👍

[@cory6667]

do you like it?

[@stevewhite6861]

I just purchased the atn x sight and it is going back for a refund, it freezes all the time, it took 6 tries to zero it because of the freezing even after the update.

[@ivanmurphy1654]

Thanks. Very helpful. Have been looking for late 2022 updates

[@stevewhite6861]

@@ivanmurphy1654 That's what I was looking for as well but my experience has put me off the scope, some might not have a problem but I certainly did and it's going back, I'm not having a hunting session ruined because of it freezing. And you're welcome.

[@MaMA-rz8gr]

Bear we are wanting to relocate Eastern Oklahoma and that area how would I go about doing. Me and my wife run around business we would like to start homesteading

[@keithcronk7980]

JUST GO LOOK FER A PLACE THEN DO IT.

[@notw2247]

Depending on your budget land is currently around 5k -20k an acre . It all depends on accessibility and on or off grid. The more remote the property usually the cheaper it gets. Do you need internet? Do you want water and power? If you can answer these questions I can give you some recommendations.

[@justinmurray4652]

I'm in Oklahoma and you don't want to be here. it's to hot for a bug out situation. it's to hot to grow a good garden without water handy . I'm looking to move north.

[@notw2247]

@@justinmurray4652 Definitely got to do raised beds. Not easy to garden for sure.

[@justinmurray4652]

@@notw2247 definitely doing that next year. they are doing well but thanks only to the garden hose. beds should help alot

[@RealitySurvival]

Good stuff brother. I will be curious to see what your night time results are. I got a Streamlight IR illuminator and that helps a lot but even still it is best used from a fixed position, trying to move and shoot is at night is no bueno the delay is just too slow. Keep up the good work!

[@juanmartinez7452]

Can someone share the best illuminator to add beside the one that comes I. The box it’s not the best

[@Cameroon110]

Good video as always brother T shalom

[@YERAFirearms]

Waiting for the next edition. I hope I am impressed

[@Erockp5915]

Bear nation if your looking for an amazing FFP scope, look into Arken optics.. was ringing steel with it at 1000 yards a couple weeks back. An amazing scope.

[@x4x4offroad87]

Arken has a IR scope? Let me know the details on that because that would be amazing I have one of their scopes on my 65 and it is incredible Hope to hear from you buddy

[@RaceMentally]

I’m looking for a scope too for my new 65 and don’t know what the heck to get hours of scope videos and lost.

[@cory6667]

this is the type of scope id do research and know how to operate it before purchasing, slapping it on my rifle and start shooting.

[@mato1875]

I'm in Colorado. Friend has one and works clearly out to 200yd on coyotes. 300 you can make the yot out.

[@robbdgordon]

That looks like my rig👍

[@foraslan5801]

Very nice trigger you've got on your rifle there, BTW.

[@scottieeasley4907]

The 1st day I used it it was great but I have to 0 every time I use it now

[@martinstiastny7679]

Please try the ATN thermal sight and give me your opinion please

[@readyalready4697]

No recoil pad?? Bear is a stud !! I almost pissed away coin on a atn headache. Thanks YT

[@CarolinaNightHunter]

Recoil pad for what??

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

The only ATN Failure is their update I downloaded it put the card in the slot powered it on scope flasked and would not turn on they replaced with the upgraded mdl and when an update came out same thing again scope crashed had to send it back 6 weeks later, they sent me a new scope with the update done but that's twice with a 4 week break from hunting 8 weeks down where I could not do my job as Nuisance Wildlife Control. I went with a Thor LT 160 thermal no card to update PROBLEM SOLVED.

[@brendanmarriott661]

How much does that cost?

[@Jo-tw8kr]

Absolutely love my LT 320. I don't need all the video recording and ballistic calibration of the Thor 4. For my use, out to 200-250 yards, in my area is as long of a shot as you'll get with hills, bluffs, thick forest, etc.

[@kravenslegacy1]

Don't know if you have ever zeroed in a scope before but you don't shoot more than 1 round per distance zeroing and you should have a gun vice or sled not a bag cause you don't want your rifle to move after your shot

[@constitutionalqrf1713]

This is closer to my experience with my ATN. As for the factory illuminator, I use it for a handheld IR flashlight with my PVS set up. I bought a mid grade IR illuminator for my rifle and I'm good out to around 250Y.

[@n0xxm3rcyxx]

I been looking for a good night site. This one has crossed my path multiple times when looking... just wondering if this is the updated version or newest version.

[@bayoubonsey2911]

Nice scope ( as compared to the one I don't have), What really caught my eye was how nicely your trigger works as compared to my stock one.

[@FkTheGov]

I Noticed That Too. I Wonder What Kind It Is?

[@joekarboski6512]

Great video! 👍 been evaluating the ATN and sight mark and still not sure due to mixed reviews on both. What made your decision on Atn and what illuminator did you purchase?

[@UntamedOutlooks]

Don’t get it I have one just buy the ai one leaf nv400 10x better 10X CHEAPER

[@wraith67]

I think if I was going to get a fancy electronic optic for a rifle, I would have to go thermal. I used to do antitank stuff, you can't hide from thermal, day or night. Night vision is nice, but it won't show you a well hidden individual or somebody in a ghilli suit. Put a 2000+ lumen flashlight (under $50 these days) on your rifle and you're fine for hogs and coyotes. The thing to worry about is marauders or bad preppers being half a$$ed stealthy trying to hit you in the middle of the night - they'd be perfectly visible with thermal. Granted they're considerably more expensive, but the investment is probably worth the money.

[@meejmuas8686]

Great information. This is exactly why Im getting a thermal scope. Also getting nightvision for moving around at night

[@williamlane5776]

Does it have the gps function? If so, I suggest getting it removed or disabled

[@charlesmckinley29]

Even better it wants to talk to the others in your group. It is a “feature”!

[@timzimmerman1310]

I had fun getting my ATN 5-20 to work. I can say ATN took care of any problems I had. There is a definite learning curve with this product but once you get it, the scope rocks. I have used it on my crossbow and sig cross 6.5 creedmoore. The built-in range finder it the way to go.

[@scottieeasley4907]

Had mine worked properly for more than 1 day. I was gonna buy the ATN THOR scope for my Falkor Petra 300 win mag rifle. Jusr disappointed. I was lookin forward to being establishrd shooter by way of digital. Just sux. I really wanted this scope to work

[@ManMak6]

These scope are a complete trash and a gimmick! My ALWAYS locks up and freezes. Yes I did the update which is a whole process on its own (the update process requires you to register and post your phone number which is completely invasive). Still it freezes and then it requires a reboot. At higher zoom, the image is terrible! The included mounts are horrible and might as well be plastic. I stripped two screws right away without even trying.

[@-jimmyjames]

@Bear. Do i spy a psa trigger? If so they are super. Glad they made it right. They aren't going to ignore the 🐻

[@RebelViking912]

I’ve been looking to get into night vision. I may check this one out. Thanks for the info!

[@derrickmitchell39dm]

I got horrible POI shifts at 20 yards using a PCP airgun. Now this is a serious irritation cause I expected more.

[@KurtOnoIR]

I've had my gen 3 x sight for i think 6 years now, still holding up, still works, I do think the picture used to be clearer tho. I'm almost positive that it wasn't quite as pixilated as it is now.* edit actually just remembered, the illuminator did stop working before it ran the 1st battery dead.

[@chrisabbett4029]

My illuminator did the same

[@WilborArthur]

Nice group!

[@Tkain541]

You couldn’t manage a firmware update, here’s your sign.

[@mitchellfay5725]

good ol jeff foxworthy haha

[@_GlockComa]

I don't trust any scope. I bore sight on a house a block away from my balcony and then I'm close. And I use 1 shot zero from there. Always have. Also, I take all the giant cardboard from the pallets at Sam's club and use them for behind targets when zeroing, and to cut my human size targets out of. Then you don't have to wonder where you're hitting, with a 3'x3' cardboard. 👍

[@charlesmckinley29]

That also works well for figuring out drop. Get the near zero of your choice, mine is 25, Bear’s is 36. Then keep going back using the same point of aim and shooting a group. Mark it then repeat. Then you can check that your scope actually moves the value it says it does per click as you make your adjustments. Know what your gear does.

[@_GlockComa]

@@charlesmckinley29 great idea brother!

[@charlesmckinley29]

@@_GlockComa then write the gun, ammo, distance in yards/meters of the group, drop in: inches/cm, angular measurement MOA/Mils and you come ups in clicks and take a picture for reference. The more info you write on the target the more useful the pictures will be to you in future.

[@chrisabbett4029]

Mine was actually a one shot zero at 50 yards guess I might have just got lucky it was already fairly close

[@WellDressedCaveman]

Were you packing a wheel bearing before you shot this?

[@Docsjeff]

I have a couple of the Sightmarks and am really happy with them. I use them for feral hogs at night in Ctrl Tx.

[@craigharness3156]

Bear to sight in a scope what I do is use cheap printer paper covering a pallet and sharpie a 2 inch circle as targets I know it’s (hill billy) but saves on targets helps get on paper quicker

[@curve5746]

Putting this on my M1A loaded precision

[@bmj2k7]

Can this work on a moving target? Hitting something moving is a lot harder.

[@scottieeasley4907]

SD card pops out Scope mounts never stay tight O every time u go to range. Wont 0 properly. Here we r

[@erichaagen9973]

have pondered with this for a few years now on utilizing this method or others for night mitigation . i am very interested in the final verdict on this product , i know you are very much like most of us that value for dollars of said product is very important . once again looking forward to your nightly review and overall input on true overall value , Thnx in advance . .

[@spencerboaz2385]

I think you would be much happier with a $5000 to $10000 dollar night scope . But I ordered the 5-20 from Optics Planet and that one had 5 stars from 955 reviews . But for the price I'm not expecting it to have a view like my Zeiss or my Nightforce . The IR illuminator I have is very strong and works great with my IR binoculars plus the green laser I have on my pistol really stands out . But I'm tired of holding binoculars with one hand and the pistol with the other . Have a blessed day .

[@israeloliva8077]

What upper is that again?

[@scottieeasley4907]

The only reason I did not sell my ATN 5-20 x day/night scope is cuz i dont want them to feel the way i have.

[@alanbush4192]

I would have thought that a 1 shot zero means just that. take the shot re zero to it take another shot and see if you put the bullet through the same hole if you don't repeat the process until you do . Also a stable shooting position IE a bipod is essential to eliminate pilot error. i have a Yukon that does not have 1 shot zero but i use this method to zero it and my old browning puts every shot through the same hole at 50yds no problem 🙂😅😄

[@VladVortal]

Super

[@izwe794]

As a software engineer, a dude who writes that firmware, I can't be fucked to update my device firmware. Y'all aren't the only ones who hate that shit.

[@OkieJackOutdoors]

They don't have product support, so if there's an issue, it's a paperweight.

[@howiefeltersnatch4501]

It’s a great scope for the price, if you are really into night hunting the flir is superior. The flir also cost a hell of a lot more money.

[@DSToNe19and83]

That would be a understatement..

[@cmhwilder]

Nice. You need to Collab with Shield Barrer on safety glasses neck strap so you don't forget to wear them, good sir. Protect your vision, brother. We all forget.

[@garythompson8867]

Speaking of "outdated software" that is just a reality. Look at fishing forums and comments by those who don't know how to software upgrade their software. Sometimes it's as simple as using the correct size sd card

[@therichie9916]

Streamlight Super Tac IR light. Little bit big but boy does it kick booty! They can be had for a hundred bucks give or take a couple bucks.

[@KingParisBuckingham]

Bear where the coffee? You ran out or what.want some Nescafe instant, my favorite? Hahahaha

[@varminthunterhobbyist4302]

I went through three ATN 4-K Pro scopes before I figured out how to use it without out freezing, buttons becoming unresponsive, blanked out screen, and corrupting the video files. Take it out of the box, put it on the rifle, and don't set any parameters other than the scope type and zero it. Not the date, not the time, nothing. And I haven't had a single issue with it in two years. Now I have three of them, 2 as 3-14X and 1 as 5-20X. Oh yeah, throw away the factory illuminators and get Odepro KL52 Plus. Forget the Supernova too; they are junk as well.

[@DannyWalker1949]

The 0ne Shot Zero WORK's IF You know what you're doing. You have to be precise on setting the Aim of the 2nd shot off of the First shot (Get it Right) Fella's. You Need to Better than Hap-Hazardly trying to do it.

[@scottieeasley4907]

I bought my ATN 5-20x day/night scope in 2019. If i told them the problem, they would know exactly what im talkin about but then say its out of warranty. But they know the issue.

[@ttss5726]

Oh he took a moment to read the directions

[@dr.jamesdenton3051]

They made it right only because you have a large youtube channel. I tried 2 scopes from them, both are garbage (the one you have, and their lite version). They will not do their job if you can not make a lot of noise on social media, so buyer beware. The camera they use is a $25 low IR sensitivity camera, with something like RPI4 computer running some CV2 code, total cost about $60 minus the mount hardware.

[@ivanmurphy1654]

Do you think the wraith is a better alternative?

[@fathertimencUSA]

I like the SightMark Wraith better.

[@bobscruggs9051]

If I need an SB card it won't work for me WHAT IS AN SB CARD ?

[@jacobcragen7133]

So...when it says it's a smart scope all they mean is that you have buttons instead of knobs now :'D

[@beaumullins874]

dude went INTO this with hate in his heart

[@robertkline6479]

Awesome content as always Bear! Thank you !

[@jamesgray143]

love the effort your put into the video but why not follow directions on one shot siting the gun once you have hit paper? you are not supposed to make any adjustments.

[@scottieeasley4907]

Careful over torquing ur scope mounts lol. Btw the scope will ve ready to fall off after 10 shots or less. Lol

[@ryankienbaum8894]

Might try a bigger target! Just saying bud!

[@scottieeasley4907]

Be careful you don't punch out your SD card because that rubber falls OPEN.

[@user-rx3oo6uk4g]

My 5-20 works perfectly, did the firmware update myself per ATN instructions no problem. The unit has many neat features such as ballistic program interface through range finder. The key to night vision shooting is proper lighting, I have a sniper hog light 66lrx with ir module. it is like shooting in the daylight with no visible light. Would I go to war with it, probably not but it is a lot of fun and I have killed many coyotes and hogs with it.

[@floridahuntsman7915]

Shalom bear

[@CptKob]

With all do respect you could have saved a big headache if yor read the owners manual from the get go to see clearly that you need to update the firmware. Thos is like buying a truck and being pissed you have to change the oil.

[@hieule8575]

Damn man, you’re like a country version of aquaman. Good review

[@GF_Burke]

It doesn't suck... mine was actually good. The issue is hanging that and another 1lb Hog cannon IR LED off my AR. By the time of all the equipment on your rifle, you are pulling around 15lbs. Was able to see any 'eyes' out to 700yrds though. eh. I'll go thermal.

[@GF_Burke]

That little IR light they give you is bs. You'll want a hog cannon or something good. Promises.

[@GF_Burke]

@Frumple Bumbleforn Ya, long range means I suck.

[@mikepizzolatto5201]

Received my ATN-XSight 4K Pro 5x20 on January 28th, 2023 and today January 29th 2023 it's already packed up ready to ship back. I called ATN twice in the first two days because the scope has to be reset almost every time I turn it on. VERY UNHAPPY AT PRESENT. I was instructed to reinstall the already up to date firmware, per tech support, to see if that fixes the problem with a brand new scope. Updated per tech email and now when I turn the scope on I get a white screen and that's it. I called and talked to another tech support person and he said he would pass on the message instead of, "let's get the return process started for you sir". They don't seem too concerned that I received a brand new defective scope from them. Oh, and they can't send me another one until I send this one back. Not a good start for a new customer. It is now packed and ready to go if and when I get the RMA and shipping label. Very disappointed with ATN.

[@DindoNuffin-e2x]

The Olight white/IR flashlight is pretty awesome. The rifle one(they made a very limited run of pistol W/IR lights(yeah I got one and it is awesome also!)) should throw 300 meters . I have not tested it that far, too much ambient light . My testing in a dark(no windows) building. The light is very bright, both white and IR. Money well spent. Only downside is that the hi/low pressure switch only works for the white light, the IR is always high. But still 2 thumbs up!

[@emortaloutlaw]

Great video to zero the scope u only shoot one shot them move crosshairs over shot and boom u are zeroed I ha e one for two years works great use it for anything form hunting to airspft to real life defense

[@amfearliathmor9747]

My first Digital NV was a home brew based on a EJ230 CCTV camera and a 50mm F1.3 C mount lens for a QB78 air rifle. The NV cost was around £150 and the IR illuminator was £16. The QB78 was around £100 with the upgrades and would get similar groups at night time around 25 yards. See 'Best IR Flashlights for Night Vision Review' by Rolanaids. With a more powerful IR illuminator such as a Dragonfly Laser (would be considered illegal in the US) 300-400 yards NV is possible.

[@jakegarrett8109]

The Dragonfly Laser even says free delivery to the US, and I don't see anything illegal about it. Now if you use it for murdering people or poaching game or hunting deer after dark, yeah THAT would be illegal, but that's nothing to do with the product. In the US I have some powerful lasers, two of which are laser pistols, as in someone breaks in, you blind them permanently with a laser from a safe distance and run in and stab with the blade on the front of the tool. One is an adorable little baby sized pocket ray gun (its designed to look like a child's toy, I even have glow in the dark radioactive symbol on the side, and has barrel shroud over part of the heatsink), that one is legit terrifying and its beam was extremely high quality (and the pale blue color of Ben Kenobi's lightsaber before the digital remastered version), even unfocused beam it would scorch hardwood floors at ridiculous burn speeds. Didn't last super long though, the diode turns out wasn't actually rated for the 6 amps at the 12.6v I was running it at... So I know that Dragonfly "laser" isn't really a laser, but even if it was the US has no law against having photon optical weaponry and energy devices, nor do they have a law saying you can't cram 200 lasers into a laser rifle that burns through steel doors. That's perfectly legal (assuming its your own door or house you are setting on fire).

[@markkanady]

I get the frustration, but the info is dead on in the instructions and "youtube". These are made by humans and abused by us. My first 4k had a circuit board issue, got it repaired and it happened again. ATN made it right and some. I also have a thor lt and thor ltv, love them