Does Europe Actually Need More Immigrants?

[@almerindaromeira8352]

I understand the point, but immigration doesn't solve things on the long term. Those people are also entitled to pensions when they retire, just like your normal citizens... it's just pushing back the issue

[@zest7812]

It's pushing back the issue? Well where is the alternative and it isn't necessarily pushing back the issue. Yes those people will retire but they will also produce babies (probably at a higher rate then their native European counterparts) and as a result the average population will age slower so the effects of an evening population on the economy and services won't be felt as much.

[@almerindaromeira8352]

@@zest7812 your reasoning is set on the fact that they are different and may produce more kids than europeans, boosting the numbers. I don't see it like that because when they arrive here they will also have bills to pay, and kids are very expensive. Do you think europeans don't have kids because they can't? It's because they chose not to. Unfortunately it's a economic choice. Countries in the end of the developing phase (china is a good example) tend to, as the western world, to slow nativity rates down. It's part of development itself!!

[@zest7812]

@@almerindaromeira8352 Except these countries they come into have considerably good welfare budgets. We can look at numbers even now migrants and refugees from different countries tend to have typically higher birth rates even when they come into a more expensive country as even tho the cost of living is higher so is the pay. Refugees and migrants in European countries have even higher purchasing parity thanks to these policies and as a result there is no incentive for them to make less babies. The reason why birth rates drop isn't linked with expensive of living but rather the standard living conditions of a country and typically occurs over multiple generations. In either case it would still decrease the rate at which the population ages if not reverse it for some time at the very least.

[@almerindaromeira8352]

@@zest7812 look, I work with some refugees from Afghanistan, 6 of them. Only one has a family here (Germany) and he brought them. I don't think he would ever consider making babies while he lives in Germany, because unlike you said, there is no boost in purchasing power for them. They say that in Afghanistan there are no taxes and all of them had good houses, now they earn bad salaries that allow them to be afloat.

[@zest7812]

@@almerindaromeira8352 The evidence you have provided is anecdotal. I have just gone to the ONS (UK gov website) and refugees and immigrants especially from Asia and African regions on average tend to produce far more children per women then the average European. I can find you equally good anecdotal evidence that in the UK as a medical student I have talked to many patients of Somalian descent for example have more than 6 kids (most of which if not all are born here). I'm not doubting what you are saying is lying, I'm merely suggesting that it is anecdotal evidence and is not necessarily reflective of what is actually going on. Edit: I'm not saying the Asians and Africans will always produce more kids (from a logical perspective on population demographics work, within a few generations probably by 3rd gen immigrants these people rate of reproduction per women will be fairly similar to the native European problem and in that case the ageing population problem will arise once more).

[@andersolsen1478]

With the lack of job security and more and more people working temporary jobs or as freelance I can understand why young persons hold back on getting children.

[@andrerothweiler9191]

You are right! Jobs will disappear and it's getting harder to get a job. Europe does not need immigration but reforms! And if immigration, then like the Qatari model. 6 years work and then you have to go back! Or something like that!

[@DrBrainSol]

I don't know where you guys live but there are lots of jobs available. Just need to leave the house and actually want to get a job! In my field (engineering) pretty much all companies are recruiting all the time. For people without a degree there are also lots of jobs available in construction and agriculture - and this is pretty much the situation everywhere in europe. The problem is that most people want cosy 8 hours per day / 5 days a week jobs where they can do whatever they want and get paid.

[@firstal3799]

8 hours 5 days a week is too much man! I want alternate days office- remote 6 hours a day job. With 1 hour break in between.

[@gabbar51ngh]

I think getting some immigrants from Africa or indian subcontinent would help to increase the birth rate in Europe. It's the only way.

[@Quantum-1157]

@@gabbar51ngh but I thought India is a superpower now? 😂🤣😂🤣 so why would Indians want to give up their ‘superpower country’ and want to live in Europe? Oh wait, I think I know the answer to that one! 🤣😂🤦

[@piotrc3718]

You have forgotten to mention what kind of migrans UK needs. Migrants who are willing to work and not once who are looking only for social benefits.

[@ZaynAOmran]

Schrodenger's immigrants. Stealing your job and too lazy to work and living off of benefits at the same time.

[@aliasghar907]

I think most Western people get offended when they see hardworking foreign ppl.....they rather let the whole World's dirty lazy ppl go to their lands and abuse their sisters....than to accept the existence/reality of hi quality foreignors that are "better" in any ways. The biggest threat/offense to average Westerner is witnessing impressive worthy non-Westernors who they abuse and treat like Jesus.

[@lourecivargas9736]

@@aliasghar907 if they're hardworking (at all), why is their countries invariably a cesspool?

[@YourLocalMairaaboo]

@@lourecivargas9736 because they got their borders scrambled after the ottoman collapse, were the site of colonial wars and spent decades getting bombed?

[@clearview5281]

@@lourecivargas9736 Yes, if they failed in their country, why would they do better in another country where they don't know the language, or culture.

[@mastman2315]

What EUROPE needs is to remove every politician who yes voted,backed or sympathises with mss migration policy shut the gates remove the ones already there and import migrants using merrit system from countries with people that would be positive not negative in reality

[@funkydanieluk]

If a society cant' survive without important foreigners to work for them, that is a broken society that needs to change radically.

[@Sam-tz8ou]

true

[@reecemacaulay1690]

How ?

[@daquandaleshaqueefjackson5472]

@@reecemacaulay1690 we are gonna ignore your stupid comment

[@E.M.jansnow]

A lot of you talk as though you don’t read history haven’t Europe be importing foreign works for generations, your talk as though your ancestors didn’t force many of these immigrants ancestors to come work in Europe in a ship. Please be honest in your assessment, illegal immigration’s needs to stop and also Europe companies that continue to foster corruption and steal resources in Africa needs to stop as well.

[@Zethy]

Encouraging the native population to have more children is an easy way of protecting local culture and increasing birth rates. In modern Europe local fertility rates by are dropping and the age that people have children is also increasing. this also has the effect that there children are not working and contributing to taxes for as long for benefits and pensions for the older generation compared to if the parents had children while they were still young. Sorry for bad English.

[@rosshilton]

The EU does not need migration. It needs to reduce consumer driven manufacturing (this years fashion, this years BMW etc) and improve automation.

[@Gilbertopuppy]

I don't think anyone is out right against immigration. People just want tough programs that incentive the very best to immigrate and not the desperate uneducated person that has nothing to lose.

[@richpirhana9521]

No more immigration please

[@firstal3799]

Yes the problem is there is no target for illegals. But you have to put on paper a target for legal inmigrant. And in our politically correct society we cannot admit we need farmers immigrants

[@daquandaleshaqueefjackson5472]

I am against immigration and so are millions of other europeans we dont want hostile dark foreigners here

[@baha3alshamari152]

That was done in the 80's and 90's so most smart and bright people in 3rd world countries left to Europe and America back then The problem is since those people left there was nobody smart and educated enough to train and educate the next generation of kids in those countries thus decreasing the quality of educated population there Also why would their governments spend resources and time and effort to train and educate kids if they will just leave to Europe anyway (imagine being manager of amateur programmers and you spend years and money teaching them and training them to be professional and then once the training is over they leave you to work for another company do that for long and you won't bother training them at all and instead will spend your resources to hire professional ones from the beginning) so those countries start to spend less on education and instead hire European professionals for temporary but high paying jobs instead since it's more efficient for them

[@dobrev9012]

It needs more kids not migrants.....

[@msvh-l9616]

who would want to have kids during this pandemic lmao

[@andrerothweiler9191]

Automatisation will kill a ton of jobs, so it's fine if nations decline a little bit!

[@abhishekbhaskar6268]

nooo

[@pedromeneses5661]

@@abhishekbhaskar6268 yesss

[@firstal3799]

It's a myth. First of all automation is shit frankly . Second more automation doesn't kill jobs. It simply expands thr economy and creates other kind of jobs inevitably.

[@ΚώσταςΡωμ]

Lmao, unemployment is skyrocketing in Europe.

[@tedcrilly46]

Europe is shrinking.......ok, and what. Populations increase and decrease. This is not an excuse to open the doors to immigration. If the economy and population has a downturn, then so be it. Won't be the first time. The continent now has more worker mobility , infrastructure, money, and automation than in previous generations, worker shortage won't be a very big problem. Also, developing nations are doing most of the production now, freeing up production workers in Europe. We have the option to just import goods that used to require local work. If Europe has to ''struggle in the coming years'' thats nothing new. A short term problem is not reason enough to change the whole continent permanently.

[@sasotadic7032]

''If the economy and population has a downturn, then so be it. '' ''if a couple of us dies so that we can acehive a totaly arbitrerly ideological goal, so be it ''

[@tiagomaccimo]

I absolutely agree with you.

[@TheLetsComment]

A decreasing population is a good thing! Less people flooding the labor market means individuals receive higher wages, leading to a stable middle class. Your average cooperation only supports mass immigration because it artificially keeps wages lower. Plus a huge loss in the number of jobs through automation and a huge decline in the number of people working them would fit together quite nicely!

[@parlezvousbollocks]

well said

[@frederickcstacey.7520]

But it also leads to an ageing population which results in high expenses on pensions. This is a large problem and the automation of jobs then needs to be encouraged and the lower skilled workers will then need to be retrained costing more money. If unaddressed these problems will result in an economic decline, social unrest, rampant inequality and mountains of debt.

[@milesdoodt6932]

Exactly

[@msvh-l9616]

@Авто Люб why do you have to bring religion into your arguments? a declining population is bad, its a fact.

[@georgedechev6591]

Things should be balanced. Europe needs more migrants, but Europe also need to support young couples who are trying to start a family. I personally know plenty of young Europeans that are hesitant to start a family because they cannot afford it. There are many ways for a nation to sustain itself, immigration is only one component.

[@gregoryjones8879]

Your argument is that due to a falling population that the EU needs migration. To that, I say we both agree, however from what you are saying it seems like you want the EU to open its doors to everyone to negate this problem. This is where we would disagree, migration is essential so long as the people that migrate into the country respect and follow that country's values and laws. As can be seen by the increase in crime across the majority of the EU this form of migration is not conducive to the society and as such will cost it more money which just one of these being policing. to conclude If your argument is to allow everyone and anyone into the EU then there is no way that I will agree with you. However, if your argument is that controlled migration that ensures people assimilate appropriately into the host country's culture is needed then we agree wholeheartedly. This is part of the larger debate about Brexit of course as this was a key issue put forward in the debate. It is also one that theoretically the leave side should win. However it is quite easy to see how leave could lose this argument if they so chose to say that migration is bad.

[@sitpat7786]

I agree that immigrants must be obedient to state law, if there are immigrants to commit crimes and troubles that must be controlled, what is uncertain can be controlled is a crime that is manipulated by opposition politicians. regarding the costs of controlling the crime of all EU countries also experiencing, but more harm if your country does not accept immigrants your country will be left behind economically, if that happens then crime is no longer carried out by immigrants but instead is done by local residents

[@lukeuk6151]

I do understand what your saying in this video, but it doesn’t make total sense to me. For one we have so many unemployed here in the UK so surely if you trained many and got them into work. That’s more productive than bringing in new workers. Also the population rise in itself is a huge wicked issue! Should we be encouraging this massive rise in population to keep our economies strong. Or she we focus on what we have and make it work for the people already settles here. I dread to think what the UK will be like with a population of double what it is now say 120million. Wouldn’t be a good environment for anyone to live!

[@parlezvousbollocks]

well said, great logic

[@user-ov1ps7go4m]

Ofcourse this has to do with feminism and women being encouraged to pursue careers.

[@Jamal-Ahmed786]

Immigration policy should be dependent on the needs of the economy.

[@Potential_Increase]

No

[@Whatthe1120]

Yes and No, look at Poland for example. They got immigrants cause they needed them but got immigrants who have similar values from Ukrainian

[@msvh-l9616]

@@Whatthe1120 lol polish people hate ukrainian refugees. Racism will always exist, we just have to minimize racism and fight against bigotry

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

As a non-european, I would like to articulate arguments against immigration, I live in Indonesia, I am an atheist, one of my fellow atheists was imprisoned in the early 2010s, before I became an atheist, do you really think Islam is a kind religion? I say this because a substantial amount of immigrants are muslims, to the point where some estimates say that a tenth of france is muslim, as a person not living in the west, I worry about my own safety without the west, with these immigrants brings new values, lesser ones like female genital mutilation(about 50 percent of women in this country), and the lack of a focus on assimilation worries me, these people are the ones who protested Charlie Hebdo when all they did was criticise Islam, that is not Islamophobic, Christianity is allowed criticism yet not Islam, I even read an opinion piece on a news website from back then criticising Charlie Hebdo for "Islamophobia" and spreading "hate", the real issue here are the attacks on freedom of speech, where will the people to defend me be in the future, there need not be the conspiracy of eurabia to be real, for the my concerns about the lack enlightenment values to be reality, I again cite Charlie Hebdo as an example of my concerns. Let us then go towards the discrimination against the majority, in a democratic society, one must sacrifice the minority, a democracy is merely a form of majoritarianism. Some may say this contradicts my views on free speech, I believe in the nigh absolutism of free speech with the exceptions being merely petty things like contracts, am I not merely silencing voices when I go against immigration? But I say this, the people are merely creating their own country in the midst of another, they are in bubbles, they shall not listen, they will only talk and spout. Another point is what about myself, I would love to live in europe, certainly a better place than where I live, I would like to live especially in the United Kingdom as a person who can speak english, if I came into France, I would feel guilty of not speaking french, when immigrants do not integrate, is it not like the settlers that europe sent out a few hundred years ago? Is this not mere colonialism? In fact this is worse, it displaces freedom of speech, individualism, freedom of expression, and freedom from terrorists bombing, shooting and all around terrorising, where the european settlers were not particularly better than the natives, they weren't much worse either. If you believe that you should save five people over one, then you should believe in majoritarianism, not the protection of minorities who seek to preserve their original culture, values, language, etcetera, without accepting the local ones.

[@chriswatson1698]

Who are these immigrants who never get old? Migrants don't make the population younger, just a bigger, ageing population.

[@gavrielpapas773]

Thanks! Wow, I'm a European immigrant myself. I felt like I'm unwanted, but this video helped me to restore my self esteem.

[@krisanderson5636]

Immigration is not a problem, but out of control immigration is. The world human population is heading for 12 billion by the end of the century. This will be catastrophic for our planet and will be made worse by blind pursuit of GDP growth.

[@pedromeneses5661]

@unknown anon I am here to tell you that Europe depends on Europeans to keep Europe alive, not only immigrants, what kind of useless basement dweller are you? Go make yourself a productive member of society.

[@daquandaleshaqueefjackson5472]

What country are you from

[@daquandaleshaqueefjackson5472]

@@krisanderson5636 immigration from non european countries is a problem

[@CINAMASTER1]

1. Make policies that incentivize people to get married, stay married, and have lots of children 2. Or let the economy size shrink and fit the population, replacing the historic European people shouldn’t be an option

[@Sam-tz8ou]

Or stop spending money on wars and foreign aids and mind once own business

[@chriswatson1698]

There is no reason why any country should grow perpetually. Smaller is better. Our earth is not coping with the consumption of humans now. When you move a person from a third world country into a first world country, you quadruple his consumption of the world's resources overnight.

[@Rialagma]

Great idea. As long as it's you who's gonna pay for all those pensions...

[@krisanderson5636]

@@Rialagma And who pays for the pensions of the immigrants? More immigrants? Just increase to infinity? Genius.

[@Roar902]

If the problem is retiring and social policies, then we need more productivity, not more immigrants.. We just need to produce more with less means. That's how economies grow, not by having all africa in.

[@firstal3799]

It's not like people aren't trying to be productive! What we have us usually the best we can do Leonardo

[@godfriedmontana2705]

Anything published by a think tank backed by emoloyers, political parties and the likewise is suspect. This analysis is at any rate fundamentally flawed and has been described as economic illiteracy by one of the UK's top economists (Adair Turner). He has made a sport of debunking the claims of politicians and business alike. If you want to get wise please read the text of the lecture he gave to the London School of Economics in 2007 (Do we need more immigrants or babies).

[@Reaper1947]

If they need all those workers why is youth unemployment all over Europe so high? There is a real disconnect in these claims? Out of Germany's one million migrants, only 3% have found work. TheReaper!

[@faisalkhan786fk]

Typical right wing xenophobic responses to these videos. People have learned from trumps method. Shout lies and claim they facts, the idiots in society will blindly believe you.

[@sasotadic7032]

@Astir01 Just a fyi if youre talking about refugees a 43% employment rate is very high, since as a refugee working is a privelege and not a right and meny of the refugee have to wait for years before they are able to work in a given country(i think the avarage waiting period in Germany is 2-6 years)

[@dazza4345]

Why cant governments give people tax incentives to have children.Lots of immigrants are causing a strain on health services and getting the dole.

[@rxss6154]

Tbh, i do agree about needing more skilled workers which you pointed out in social care, nursing and construction however, if the government and universities wasn’t so hell bend in everyone having top grades and making nursing into a “degree only profession” then We’d have a lot more nurses and social care staff. I got top grades for my health and social care course however, because i failed my maths and English GCSE by one mark due to the grade boundaries being moved i may not be allowed into university. It was definitely different back when my mum left school and became a dental nurse where she just started working and then done her exams and then was a qualified dental nurse, without ever having to go to university. One major problem We’d have if employing a lot of migrants into nursing and social care would be “bedside manners”. Because people from other countries have different cultural differences which we may not find appropriate and could cause a lot of effects into someones care. For example, if a migrant social worker had a case of a child being hit a lot but she dismissed the case due to it being a normal cultural practice in their country.

[@chriswatson1698]

Immigration reduces the average age of the population only slightly and it is only temporary. Immigrant just make for a bigger ageing population.

[@1Nate987]

Technology will likely mean you no longer need a low skilled workforce

[@TLDRnews]

100% technology will replace a lot of jobs, but it's a lot more than just low skilled workers. We have a video when we talk about automation of creative/office jobs if you're interested. Also as discussed in this video it's not primarily low skilled jobs immigrants are doing. A huge number do professional jobs. In addition to this, as the video says, have a shortfall in the number of nurses and healthcare professions, jobs which are comparatively hard for automation to replace.

[@1Nate987]

Agreed. Sure it's not just low skilled jobs, AI will replace many industries eventually. However, if young works are needed why not look to places like Greece with a 45% unemployment rate (not to mention Italy, Spain etc). Germany does have a much lower youth unemployment rate (6% I believe), however, that does not strike me as a rate that is desperate for young workers? Why not train up the current unemployed European youth for nursing and healthcare professions? Otherwise they will have to rely on the government and put a strain on the economy. Not to mention it really does depend on the individual migrant. A hard working healthcare professional from Syria would surely have a positive impact. But unfortunately that does not describe every migrant

[@timhunt2137]

1Nate987 not with the lack of investment .

[@zaheerwaqas8760]

Who pays the pensions??

[@firstal3799]

It's a myth Automation increases productivity and so more jobs. Never a shortfall in growing economy . Humans are always needed

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

TL, DR: Contraception naturally decreases interest in families by increasing our focus on productivity and the wealth of every class, including and especially working classes. Thus population collapses, as so occurs in Europe and Japan and the USA. Contraception increases the standard of living because everyone now has more time to work and to spend money, since many people are not creating or raising a future generation. The increased standard of living creates dependence on contraception, lest we slip back into a poorer way of life. Living has become so expensive in countries that have depended upon contraception for a generation or more that some people suggest that it should be a human right, so that once inconceivably decadent standards of living can be maintained - and also because the once very wealthy standards have become the standards of the middle class and even the "poor". So, because everybody's too busy saving money for a new car, or an estate, or even a big screen TV, no one wants to bring children into a world where they'll have to walk or live in a flat or only have one TV in the house. The richest 1% in the world make $30,000 USD a year. If you make just a shade over ⅓ of that, you're considered poor in the United States. A family of four that makes 1 and ⅔s, just about 50,000, is considered impoverished in this country - and therefore entitled to more money or aid. And they're in the top 1% of worldwide wealth. What does that tell you? Tells me even the poor in this country are extremely rich already. Tells me we, as a society, value property too much. Tells me we've forgotten that having kids is important - so important, it didn't require electricity for 2 million years! I'm not saying we should go back to living in caves. But, come on. Contraception was a mistake. Refusing to have big families because you want a Maibatsu Monstrosity or five flat screen TVs or five consoles or cable TV with pay per view... it's imbalanced. It's bad for you. It's bad for us all.

[@ManBehindTheMask]

is it worth having younger people immigrate to the UK if they refuse to integrate? I don't think it is, but hey that's just my opinion.

[@ferozkhan8463]

Not sure what you mean by integrate. They generally learn the language, if they didn't know it already, contribute to the labour force because most want to find jobs in order to start/support families, etc... If you mean by assimilate, as in they abandon their foreign languages and traditions then yeah they'll likely refuse I know I won't and my dream was to move back to my ancestral nation with my wife and future kids.

[@jazzyarran]

Maybe from an economic point of view as displayed , but you surely must factor in social issues such as housing and services as well as cultural issues ?!?! Which also could be seen as more important factors !!!

[@chriswatson1698]

Migrants make very little difference to the median age of the population, and it is strictly temporary. Migrants get old too. So you have to bring in even more migrants in twenty years time, to support all the ageing migrants.

[@ikramomar9702]

Chris Watson migranter have more children which encourage the local population to do the same

[@lourecivargas9736]

@@ikramomar9702 children who are hell-bent on hating infidels and blowing stuff up don't count

[@ferozkhan8463]

Just so everyone understands there is no way Europe is reversing this trend. You have people that are more concerned about advancing their careers, making more money, travelling and having fun whereas having children is a massive expense (the USDA projects a child born in 2015 within the US would cost about $233K USD to raise to 18 and that doesn't include college tuition or the years after college you'll likely have to support them as they get on their feet) then there's the immense time investment you have to put into raising your kids rather than developing skills that advance your career, travelling, having fun with your friends, etc... It really won't get easier on Europe either as immigrants are going to increasingly demand more fed up with the status quo all the while Europe will have a major problem investing in the training of both legal and particularly illegal immigrants to take on in demand careers.

[@firstal3799]

One great problem is we require extremely rigorous academic training for professions which frankly can do as well, if not better, with less academic training. Take the case of paramedics, nurses, masseurs etc. This is so in every profession. It needlessly creates artificial shortages as not as many people are intellectually equipped to go through such rigorous and frankly needless academic training. If we reduce the training standards to more practical levels we will have a vastly increased pool of candidates and that means lower costs for patrons. It may also mean improved quality of service as more competition. And in individual training itself less rigorous training actually means better professionals ad course is more practice oriented and teaches things that are actually useful.

[@CKBmay10]

Totally agree with the principle we need more people, but it is a TARGETED migration policy (and fostering natality) we need not just open gates. Probably overweighting EU migration whether it is EU 15, EU2, etc is more culturally compatible over time. And some people are more likely to come back if they remain closer

[@unknown-jr3xe]

Well, with over 700,000,000 people in Europe, I don’t think you do. Come on, North America has over 400,000,000, them digits need to swap. Europe, you’re not a massive continent, you’re nearly at the same population as India

[@idk-wh7rw]

European population is Just 540 million

[@joshr24]

@@idk-wh7rw no it’s not

[@chriswatson1698]

Why does Europe's population have to be perpetually increasing? Europe's population was much smaller in the last two centuries. Children are extremely dependent untill they are 15 or so. Old people are often self-supporting and contribute much in volunteer labour. Elderly people make it possible for their daughters to be taxpayers, by shouldering some of the burden of raising the children. If Europe isn't raising a lot of children then they can support old people instead.

[@sarbjitatwal8252]

So it’s just an issue of tax collection to pay running costs of the Country. UK tax payers bailed out private banks to a sum over 1 trillion pounds. If an ordinary person starts a business and the business starts to fail. I don’t think the tax payer will bail them out... market economy. Yet they will not reform or tax the city banks and the offshore money... why? Oh yes friends from private schools or they will be hoping for a job after their political career...” If you little people and little companies pay a little more tax your life will be better” how many times are they going to say this... A promise is a comfort to a fool and the political elite are making fools of the electorate. Money/ tax revenues are required so we should be pushing for reform, plenty of funds just not being collected. Why do HRMC have advisor in big companies telling them how to avoid tax? Why do big companies say tax contribution and included PAYE, VAT they don’t pay this. It is paid by the customer and the employee.

[@macealvaro2]

What about making private retire instead of the public one? Then you should not need inmigration.

[@YourLocalMairaaboo]

Our natality is below the 2.1 necessary for generation replenishment. If we don't get more young people, one way or the other, we WILL have a demographics crisis on our hands.

[@TheFost]

You can make the argument that Europe needs a growing population, but it's a logical leap to say that growth must come from migration. For the entire history of the continent, population growth has come naturally through reproduction.

[@TLDRnews]

Even if this were true, which I dispute, reproduction isn't enough anymore, so blindly relying on it in the future simply isn't strong economic policy.

[@Serafinez]

What reproduction? Europeans aren't having kids anymore. Of 100 people I know between the ages of 25 and 35, only around 20 have kids. And most of those who don't have kids have declared that they never want to have kids. They all own a house and have well-paid jobs. They'd just rather travel, enjoy their life, go out with friends....

[@JohnyTuga]

For the entire history of the continent people also had children by their 20's, most children were unplanned births, and even if you wanted babies you'd better have as much as you could since most of them would probably die. Just because something was possible in the past doesn't mean it is right now. We can't own slaves, we can't invent the car again, we can't fear death by a small infection, the list goes on... Migration is the worst of solutions to this particular problem, but it's the best one we got right now.

[@JohnyTuga]

Xenophon I didn't say that owning children is like slavery. You must have missed the whole sentence where I said "just because something was possible in the past doesn't mean it is right now", where "something" means something. Putting that aside, I'd like to know why migration is not a solution at all. Doesn't migration help with the declining population? That's the whole point. You could say that migration is a BAD solution, but never that it ISN'T ONE, because it does fixes one specific problem (population decline). But if you have a solution to a declining population in Europe (other than migration), then please tell.

[@whyshouldwecare3267]

Isn't it just putting off the problem as the migrants will age and need support? It seems a lot like a pyramid scheme.

[@bigburci]

Last time we got the same demographic problem in history, it was in the roman times. What the romans did...allow every immigrant to get the citizenship...and when hardship happened it's collapsed from within. Looks like history repeat itself.

[@smmm5559]

hhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhh oh man you're really funny 😂😂😂

[@chriswatson1698]

Why does everyone assume that African and Asian migrants will direct their taxation towards the support of aging white people?

[@the_sideshifter]

UK's gov dept is 300% of GDP by the way, funny it wasn't mentioned (thats almost twice as Greece's for comparison)

[@tunod5565]

The SideShifter lol, are you comparing the UK's economy to Greece? That's like comparing Germany to Spain lol

[@the_sideshifter]

lol - ''laughing out loud'' I think you're laughing a little too hard on this one ;)

[@honestcommenter8424]

UK's population is going to start declining from 2025 according to ONS, that is including immigration!

[@latitudeash]

This is the issue, cheep pay with a saturated workforce. We don't need them, give the work to all the engineer s out of work. Increase pay so we can afford to buy a house. We do not need economic migrants, more babies will come if couples feel safe in their own homes and a good stable paying job. At the moment economic migrants force down wages and they only stay a short while being replaced by other migrants. Money in wagies are exported to their own country where it is worth more. We do not need extra people willing to accept low wages for professional work. Hence we voted brexit as one of the many resons...priority being sovereignty, assess to schools and hospital beds. The migrants are taking them all. Just look at a school class and see that 80 are migrants. Hospital beds taken buy elderly and treated by migrants. We need to do what Saudi has done and put an extra tax on companies that employ too many economic migrants. That way priority will be uk employment, not cheep wagies/ workers. If companies go bust so be it as others will emerge..

[@rayanhobeika5936]

OR how about we just get more kids, stop abortion, help people in creating families, support families with 2 or more kids... this problem can be solved naturally inside the countries borders... not with islamic immigration

[@zaheerwaqas8760]

Rayan Hobeika Europe supports families but doesn't work, its not all about money

[@kuyaleinad4195]

Whilst the ultimate solution is to literally just get people to have more kids, the Taxpayer:Pensioner ratio won’t go up until like 20 years when the kids become adults and start paying taxes. Depending on the country, it might already be too late. Stopping abortion isn’t going to do anything significant other than potentially making people keep kids they may not be able to financially afford. Not sure about other EU countries but I think it’s the similar but the UK already does a lot to support families: Benefits for families with 3 or more children, Guaranteed Maternal and Paternal Leave, Children get free education, medical and dental care. So I really don’t know what else they can do other than taxing Parents less. So immigration seems to be the best short term solution. Or you can decrease pensions to pensioners, increase the age of pension from 65 to 70 or you can make it law that anyone over the age of 80 are destined to die and can’t be put into a life support if they need to be. All of which will bound to make some group unhappy (though the last one was a cruel joke 😅).

[@YourLocalMairaaboo]

The problem is that even if we do that, we then need to wait 20 years for the babies to grow up. Immigration is mostly meant to fill that 20 year gap.

[@Rezdell]

Is the rise of 'Xenophobia' in Europe an unconscious reaction to the realisation that the European race, culture, costums, etc are being perceived as 'being replaced' due to the falling of European population?

[@lightningboltt5437]

People should read the national geo article on european culture

[@daquandaleshaqueefjackson5472]

Europeans will rise we will not allow this to happen

[@chrisvoiceactingvoiceover1431]

Or you could raise the retirement age....

[@socialistsolidarity]

Declining population is good for the environment, with circular economics. Right now we just focus on using it once then just throw it away.

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

That has nothing to do with population growth. That has to do with industrialism, a consumerist culture, and a contraceptive mentality that feeds into and encourages consumerism.

[@user-rr6jj5mr6f]

Europe and the U.K. Don't need more immigrants, we need more jobs.

[@badrbenkirane2714]

Excellent quality ! Very informative video, keep up the good work ! Hope you'll post videos more often and that the channel keeps growing !

[@steiraman1]

Additional to migration you could try to increase the fertility rate towards 2.1 children per woman. Just saying. This could be schieved with enough children daycare facilities adna culture where fathers are incouraged to look after their children. Could be one of the reasons why Norway can sustain its population without migration. Not that I am Anti-Migration per se. It is just the type of argumentation that right wing poplists wave around, that some people do not have the idea to make it easier for young people to start a family. Also decent wages and lower rents are needed. Sounds pretty left leaning to me.

[@ferozkhan8463]

That's not entirely true, more daycare isn't going to equal more kids. You increasingly have people who are more concerned about making more money and advancing their careers, travelling and living the high life whereas children are an IMMENSE expense not just in terms of money but time. The USDA projected that it would cost about $233K USD to raise a child born in 2015 until the age of 18 but that doesn't include the cost of college/university and even after that you'd likely still have to support them for a few years as they get on their feet. Then there's the massive time investment you could have spent learning new skills to advance your career, missed opportunities to travel or go out with friends. Frankly modern Western culture is anti-family.

[@pandahugs2271]

Wow your channel is so good in information and statistics. U should advertise it more

[@andreimircea2254]

Sufyan Shafi are you sarcastic or are you talking about the Chanel which you are watching this video ?

[@pandahugs2271]

@@andreimircea2254 lol i am not sarcastic. Indeed this channel makes a lot of videos and i am a subscriber to it. They really should advertise it more so asto get more followers during this crucial time when the brexit negotiations are closing up.

[@immoevans8313]

Disgusting and misleading. The UK need young people, not those Islam claimed to be threatened. The core problem is low birth rate. The main solution is to COMPENSATE the cost of child raising. Moreover, please separate migrants and REFUGEE. Don't try to mix it up with word usage. UK need educated people. UK need skilled workers. UK need young people. UK need those who agree to UK values and tradition and are willing to become a UK citizen. Not those unskilled illiterate and who force others to BEAR WITH THEIR RELIGION WITHOUT A SLIGHTEST SENSE OF RESPECT. Immigrants love UK and willing to contribute? YES. Refugee, ILLEGAL immigrants and preachers portray themselves as victims? NO.

[@fredgrove4220]

We need immigrants who want to work, not scrounge off the state, just want free handouts, free car and free housing.

[@lightningboltt5437]

If they are lazy and live on social welfare DEPORT THEM

[@chriswatson1698]

The asylum seekers are a burden. They cost.

[@mastman2315]

Ill take Japan over the EU policy any day. So would the EU citizens if they had a choice

[@ScoopDogg]

less population gen on gen = we get better off and need to work less , more to go around and nhs less strain, more houses than needed so mortgage eliminated, less demand on resources. FACT

[@manumontana1425]

Need new politicans!!!!

[@Spectacurl]

I'm from Latin America and is incredible when you go to Europe. So many old people, such a few children... Of course is just a perception but I feel that the numbers are conservative on how much the population is decreasing.

[@delchavid]

Not anymore it's crowded with children nowadays from all kind of origins.

[@Joke9972]

The less people, the less problems.

[@travisfubu9053]

in the short term yes in the long term Lmao absolutely wrong

[@muhammeddiloarhussain1701]

Europe needs 5 million migrants every year. Europe needs atleast 100 million migrants workers within 20 years.

[@Moonuuu]

True and immigrants also should does baby with white woman to increase their population make new race.

[@seyafm6456]

russia like WTFman i european too

[@NikiGalabov]

by the like/dislike ratio of the video I see that a lot of people don't like the message of the video. But facts are facts...

[@krisanderson5636]

Except that they are not facts. The productivity of a nation increases its prosperity, not GDP growth alone. You can grow GDP by simply having more people, whilst simultaneously increasing poverty.

[@lourecivargas9736]

3rd world people create 3rd world societies. this fact is all you need to understand the bigger problem

[@aditya_saha]

why are Europeans not reproducing?

[@peromiestiloesunico]

Welfare

[@shamusson]

Liberal consumerist culture

[@Travel_addict_81]

Great channel!

[@srinivasmetta2852]

Open up Europe let me in...

[@shamusson]

No, don't even think about it

[@Joke9972]

If you eradicate capitalism, you don't need to think in terms of 'work force' anymore.

[@midhuleshvellanki9710]

John Callaghan calm down Lenin. that never works

[@EzekielCarvalho]

I guess this is what happens when people decide to have smaller families or no children. A lot of people are materialistic, so more interests go in for getting more unnecessary things rather than having more children. So, stuff like extra cars, bigger luxurious homes, and other junk, and then endeavouring to keep up with other richer families to stay on par is what people may aim for, rather than having families. They'd rather prolong marriage or never get married at all. Things were much different a century ago where families were more intact and functional and the traditional family and family roles were honoured. Now more and more families are dysfunctional, with people being more narcissistic, materialistic, not concerned about raising a future generation, divorce rates are high, etc. It's likely that more traditional Christians, and people of other religions like Islam and Hinduism maybe more keen on having large families rather than their counterparts.

[@YourLocalMairaaboo]

There is also the factor that children went from a valuable source of income that could help at work to a financial liability that will need massive investment over about 20 years to be self reliant. Making young educated workers is a VERY expensive process! And I am not saying this because I only care about money. No. Most rural families in Portugal used to have 4, 5 or 6 kids. Any modern urban family would risk ending up in the street if they tried the same thing! So why not take in the ones right at the doorstep of our nation? Even if their education is only halfway done, paying for the necessary courses is still cheaper and faster than getting someone all the way from diapers to finance.

[@EzekielCarvalho]

@@YourLocalMairaaboo Agreed.

[@YourLocalMairaaboo]

@@EzekielCarvalho yeah. Any measures to increase natality would be SLOW. They are worth it, but we need something that can keep our contry from turning into a half empty senior home until then. And just look at that, thousands of guys lining up to get into any european country!

[@EzekielCarvalho]

@@YourLocalMairaaboo Indeed, immigration is required.

[@YourLocalMairaaboo]

@@EzekielCarvalho Yeah. And if we could take the brittish at the peak of their imperialism, we can tolerate a few sirians wanting to build mosques in the space occupied by failed urban projects and abandoned factories.

[@ahippy8972]

Shame that vid didn’t take Brexit into account...

[@MominSaadKhan]

Russia is European. Probably

[@erikbertram6019]

Well I'd say that Russia is Europe if you count the Ukraine as Europe. Most Russian live in Europe from a cultural and geographical perspective.

[@chriswatson1698]

A shrinking population is a good thing. Migrants cost. They create a need for more infrastructure that all citizens have to pay for, not just the newcomers that make it necessary. Why does anyone think that all those Africans and Asians will vote for politicians who will look after ageing white people? More likely they will vote for politicians who will let them bring more of their relatives in.

[@ashwinshankar4211]

Any comments about the chances of migrants getting work visa in UK? At present

[@lightningboltt5437]

If anyone needs workers india can happily provide For a cost

[@matheenarif8645]

Even India will decline after 20 years

[@ewallacestudent1]

South African Farmers are hard working bring them.

[@lorcan1213]

Great video, delighted i found your channel. I would disagree with one point you make though. Yes, immigration to the UK has dropped since the Brexit vote, but its a leap to assume this was actually caused by the brexit vote. UK voting Brexit also coincided with an improvement in the economies of the EU 27, and many developing countries. It could just be a case that there are more jobs in these countries than there were before, so less people decide to immigrate to the UK.

[@themanwiththeplan1401]

Yo Russia is in Europe too lol.

[@ryandexter8994]

no

[@johnhunter9065]

The fact that migrants actually contribute a 0.34% net profit as a whole aswell as this its all the proof I need that we need them. If u wonder why the coutry is so crippled, might want to look at why the U.K has the 9 poorest places in Europe while also having the number 1 richest place. Trust me it's the rich people in the city of London not immigrants...

[@firstal3799]

Europe needs 100 milion new immigrants by 2050

[@XP23XP]

No... tak...

[@amarsven]

Just mention immigration or even just Germany.... Wait one sec.... the comment section goes wild and downvoting starts.

[@Trajan2]

Just make old people work longer

[@YourLocalMairaaboo]

Do you really want 70 year olds handling heavy machinery?

[@hadesolymp1481]

Nooooo