Does Indoor Training Work For Mountain Biking? | Turbo Training Session Vs A Lunchtime Ride

Indoor training might seem like the reserve of lycra clad roadies, but more and more mountain bikers are picking up the turbo. What's the best option for getting a mountain bike ride in during your lunch time? A turbo session or quick lap of the local trails. Neil and Henry decided to find out 🤘
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[@gmbn]

Winter miles = Summer smiles! Do you ever train indoors on a turbo trainer? Let us know below 👇

[@alistairdewaard4774]

No but I wish I did

[@lisapet160]

Yes, although turbo trainer is not a first priority standing after whole body fitness rounds. Actually, turbo trainer gets higher priority when outdoor season already started and there is a need to peak the performance.

[@pawewielgus2105]

no, i’ve changed my commuting into training so i can train all year long. yes it is bad fo my gear and yes it requires more washing but it makes me happy :-)

[@turnpike420]

Yes. Cyclops Hammer w a cheap $500 REI CTY 1.1 permanently connected and Zwift on AppleTV w companion app. There is one aspect of this you all did not discuss... while indoor training will keep the legs up and fitness steady, the indoor trainer does NOT engage brain/body reaction time, doesn't work the arms, doesn't work the core or any of those other movements and muscles we use to ride trails. Your thoughts?

[@Adoogin]

Not winter cold enough for winter gloves, I like your winters!

[@EnduroPo30]

I always put my enduro bike in a turbo trainer for the winter. Best thing ever. Zwift on, headphones just shoes and trousers. No snow, no wind, no mud. Best training ever if you wanna stay fit. But it will never substitute a good ride.

[@SteelR4t]

+1 for indoor MTB training. Currently doing the Dirt Destroyer plan as well. Worth mentioning that that particular plan includes an "unstructured" ride that you can do in or outdoors as part of the weekly schedule. It's good that it does mean you don't have to do decide to do outdoor OR indoor riding. With that you can do both and allow them to compliment each other.

[@bobmckenzie394]

Just started on zwift this winter. It’s definitely no replacement for riding, but if it’s raining, muddy and you don’t want to destroy trails, zwift is a great option, and almost fun with the steering course etc.

[@trevfirefy8179]

Robert Mckenzie you are absolutely right about destroying trails, riding in winter creates ruts and degrades berms and jumps, I prefer to build new trails and do some maintenance instead.

[@chrisl.6158]

Zwift is very addictive. This is my second off-season on indoor trainer. After training with the workout programs I'm in much better shape. And Zwift event races always push me way beyond the point where I thought my limit was. But here's something the GMBN community maybe doesn't want to hear: Zwift is also one of the reasons I started road cycling this year!

[@gmbn]

We like all bikes here at GMBN. If road riding helps people stay healthy and stoked on Mountain Biking that's a good thing right! 🤘😀

[@Pastamistic]

I got drastically faster on my mountain bike after I started road cycling :D. Don't be ashamed of it..

[@TwistedOnyx369]

@@Pastamistic and I got much better at bike handling and confidence on my road bike when I started getting some entry-level MTB in. I'm still a clumsy roadie, but a little less than before.😄

[@Pastamistic]

@@TwistedOnyx369 they do compliment each other very well! I couldn't imagine just doing one or the other at this point.

[@TwistedOnyx369]

@@Pastamistic absolutely. Every cyclist I know (whether roadie or MTB riders) engages in both disciplines.

[@nickwatkins5227]

Forget the trainer with a room that big you could set up a indoor bike park 🤪

[@gmbn]

With a pump track! 🤣

[@shrooman768]

@@gmbn The ceiling is too low.

[@jonboy1066]

I’d always rather go for a ride than train indoors but it’s not practical when I work 12hr shifts. I’m very lucky, although I can’t leave work during my ½ hour lunch break, we do have a gym at work & am expected to use it. So when I’m on shift I can turbo train and get a good session in. I get that this is a paid promotion to advertise Zwift, but you don’t need to pay for Zwift to do it, I use GCN’s turbo training sessions in KZbin and they work really well. I’ve also found that by using a structured turbo session I have improved my fitness (especially in the climbs) which means I’m less tired and ride better on the descents. So, for me ... YES ... indoor training works for MTB, it keeps me moving when I can’t get out n ride and has improved my riding experience for when I can.

[@michaelb9664]

jonboy1066 I agree, the GCN training videos are excellent. Expensive subscriptions and smart trainers aren’t necessary. You just have to make sure you apply yourself properly.

[@Pastamistic]

I'm in a similar situation. I work three 12 hour shifts in a row (Fri-Sun) and definitely feel like I lost a little bit by Monday with the three day gap without riding. Yes, I have four days off in a row which I ride but I feel like I lose a little something if I don't put in a workout on at least one of my three work days. Zwift or a gym workout on Saturday has been perfect with the limited time I have on work days. I wouldn't call Zwift expensive at $15 a month. Most people pay $100 for cable/satelite TV or other entertainment and all that does is make you weaker and dumber. The structured workouts and having absolute control of the riding effort indoors is a big bonus too. Unlike outdoors you don't NEED to be at 250watts just to keep moving up that steep climb, you can choose a flat route on zwift and just ride if you want it easy. I don't have any real world flat options around here.

[@Hardcaslte]

@@Pastamistic I seriously don't understand how people say Zwift is expensive. It's literally the same price as any subscription like NetFlix or Hulu, which I'm sure they happily pay for every month. Do these people expect the Zwift developers to just do everything for free? It makes no sense to me, especially for the level of improvement in your life that you can get from an exercise program like Zwift.

[@guytheoutdoorguy1316]

It’s sooo nice being in the Southern Hemisphere we can go outside and ride

[@isabellaholland653]

Only when it isn't scorching hot though 😁

[@jimsec7344]

Yep

[@pandjay431]

And when you can breath fresh air rather than smoke

[@merrinbrewster7873]

Lol. Not in the south of the South Island in winter. Definitely take advantage of indoor training during the week.

[@cathnz9726]

It's about the same as the Bath weather here today. I'm debating putting the heater on & sick of rain. So much for a summer Christmas!

[@jamieblades942]

Winter is for skiing! Summer for riding!

[@melwalshmtb9121]

Realistically Henry had a lot more fun I think😂🤙

[@sabrinaelkhamissi9440]

Why not

[@liamfield7624]

great video i love videos that are like this and games of bike

[@jameswarner8038]

Really ramping up the adverts towards Christmas aren't they

[@hokkypro]

December had most watch time so it mskes sence on a business level, not consumer level tho.

[@gmbn]

Hey James, we're never told what to say and always have control over what goes into a video as well as the final result. Paid promo isn't a bad thing. It allows us to bring you the info on new products and means we can continue to produce a range of content for you every day, right here on KZbin, for free!

[@Safewoood]

@@gmbn agreed you guys need food too

[@dbest1aVlogs]

Icy winter here in the north east USA, I started using zwift as the trial. My set up is a 70 dollar dumb trainer -cycle ops fluid 1 .. and a trainer tire on my road bike. It was a bit hard to adjust mentally, but once I got over that I have noticed I’ve been able to regain my riding stamina. - I use my Garmin gps sensors (cadence and speed) to send data to a generic usb Ant dongle, plugged in my 2011 iMac. - cost , about 80 bucks including matt . -in spring I’ll suspend the zwift till next winter. -will look Into the GCN workout videos . If you can ride outdoors do it, if you can ride indoors do it .... just ride...

[@MarcusNesbitt4]

I live in keynsham which is close to bath (i recognise a lot of this) and there is a cycle cross course down by the old chocolate factory. its mainly flat but there are some extremely short, extremely steep climbs. do not go in winter though as it will be flooded!! wondered if u had been there or even heard of it. also there are some small trails opposite keynsham train station which are pretty good. love the work keep it up

[@schlickrick4526]

Ahh I knew about Keynsham pump track thing, but I'll have to keep an eye out for a trail near the chocolate factory

[@drifterxl12]

I discovered zwift now for 2 months and I use it when Its bad weather and or limited on time. If I ride outdoor my bike needs to be clean when I put it back in the shed. That's not possible in the evening or freezing temps. In the weekend I do go out, no matter the weather, plenty of time to clean afterwards. Me happy, bike happy.

[@triathleteuk]

Just get outside and get on with it .. winter is hard work, muddy inclines, but good cardio training

[@askdlfjw]

Once the snow hits I'm on zwift 3-4 times a week. Usually hitting SST work outs just to stay fit. It's better than staring at the wall, but 1-1.5 hours is still the max I can stand whereas I can hit 2-3 hours in the woods no problem. Also gives me plenty of time to tear the bike down and go through it after a long season over a few weeks or months instead of a few days or hours.

[@jaromirmoravec2846]

MTB is about roots, rocks, moss etc. Unless you've got those in your gym, tough luck ;-)

[@truantray]

I'll stick with my old mag trainer and workout DVDs. Zwift addresses the boredom factor, but the setup costs as much as a decent bike.

[@RufusVIP]

I train on a turbo, while watching my own summer pov vids or those by Nate Hills or the like. I find myself trying to keep up with the video and seeing terrain I don’t usually see. Rufus, Norway

[@joesmith3946]

Being someone that travels for work and a father three young, active children, indoor is the only way I can train to stay in shape so I can hit it hard when I can actually make the trails, usually a night ride or weekends I can be on at 5:30 AM for an hour, shower, see the kids off and be to work. 100% prefer the trails, but not that season of my life right now if I want a good sweat 4-5 days a week.

[@josephdunbar2105]

Been riding a peloton this winter, so far about 300 mikes since Christmas. I think it helps. Particularly when I wanna ride and it’s snowing or raining out. I definitely go out on the few good days and I actually feel pretty strong as opposed to last year. Feeling strong makes the riding that much more enjoyable.

[@Gmh6477]

Iv been Zwifting for the past 9 - 10 weeks and my cardio has improved big time over riding cold outdoors and going steady because it so wet and muddy, so has my ability to climb at full gas for longer. Results don’t lie. Pros from mtb, road and track all use them for a reason 👍

[@sueappleby2790]

looks as realistic as my com'64's 4 tape ridealong simulator... and compared to a rushour city center ride in the rain on a $4000 NukeProof id choose the latter any time of day;(

[@pavmentsurfer13]

Its currently -25C outside here in Canada and theres a few feet of snow on the ground. So, for people who live in an area like I do, your only option is to bundle up to ride a fat bike, or get on an indoor trainer. Personally, I hate heavy exercise outside the cold, so my road bike sits on my trainer all winter. TV mounted on the wall infront, put on a movie and ride. Its no where near as fun as an actual ride outdoors but when thats not an option, it'll do.

[@Garrison64]

I used to train indoors a lot back when I was racing and the weather was cold or bad. Riding on trails in that condition is very destructive to them. In the winter I would only ride on them when the ground was frozen. Indoor training helps keep the body ready for better days.

[@xcnewb7313]

Awesome video guys, keep up the great work! I would love to see more of these type of training videos and pro tips from Neil. I would love to see a video on the different types of trainers tech and how to bodge together a cheap one for Zwift, could make a good GMBN tech episode?

[@markomarkov6081]

Why would you wait behind the bus?! just go over the sidewalk - theres noone there anyway. Directly behind the exhaust too...

[@joesnyder6569]

I got older, I don’t know when, but it happened, endurance dropped ride times got really long average speed dropped. Started spinning using GCN training videos. Turned the whole game around. Times are down, speeds are up from 4.5 mph average to about 8.5 to 9 mph average. It takes the sting out of the weekend ride

[@merickrickman4092]

I will always prefer an outside ride rather than indoor. Before I had my smart trainer and Zwift, the longest I had ever been on a trainer was 45 minutes. I live up at 6500' (1981m) in Lake Tahoe, it's currently snowing hard, and 33F ( 0C ), and just up the road from my house there already several feet of snow on the ground, so outdoor riding up here is sorta done. To go riding outside I have to go down about 2 hours to get some longer rides on the mountain bike. Trying to make time for a family and work and quality training makes the trainer appealing. It also lets me get to the Sea Otter Classic in much better shape.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Actual trails are almost always more fun, but Zwift definitely looks like a great winter training tool. My ride today was a mess of snow, mud and rocks. It was fun, but still had to clean a bunch of mud off the bike and fix a pinch flat (thankfully it didn't go flat until after the ride). I am wanting to get a Zwift setup in the future, but want to upgrade my bike first (it would feel weird spending a lot of money on a decent zwift setup to ride a $500 hardtail on it haha).

[@mtbjg6694]

Outdoors by far I'm going bike park Wales tomorrow

[@adrianszabelski8105]

In winter I enjoy riding in indoor mtb parks such as dirt factory Manchester

[@Pienimusta]

Sure if only thing you want from MTB is workout, but might just aswell go to a spinning class at that point.

[@5492sparky]

There is a place for technology but for me I would rather face the clean up afterwards.

[@Trail_Shreder]

I had zwift add before, didnt knew it was that good

[@jessevvilsteren]

I muts say that a piece of kit like ur using is quite the investment for a 1 hour brake ride. I use one of those roller things ( 3 rollers) to train on when i have the time i got mine for 50 euros.

[@gmbn]

Jesse Vilsterren as Neil pointed out. You don't need the same setup he is using. If you work in an office with other riders you could all chip in to get a decent setup. Many people choose to train from the comfort of home though.

[@willbennett7107]

Getting a exercise bike that works with zwift for Christmas for when the weather is really sh💩t

[@rustynugget2288]

the jumping jack sound gave me a smile and anxiety at the same time

[@bca-biciclindcuaxel7527]

The alternative from January 2020...'' BRITS STAY OUT FROM CENTRAL AND SOUTH EUROPE !!! '' JK lol

[@BIGGant]

What is Henry’s hourly rate for bodyguard services? After seeing those deadly Tai Chi warmup kicks I am sold.

[@nigelrandtoul8646]

I'm with Neil

[@matthewdray83]

Just bought a trainer for the same purpose, do some targeted Aerobic work that you cant do on the trails. Probably need a road setup to race on Zswift, not going to beat a roadie with a 32t on the front.

[@James-dn1hu]

Turbo trainers are a fantastic idea, save time, don’t get muddy and can be done more efficiently than a proper ride, I don’t personally have a turbo trainer but it’s a good idea. Guess I’ll just have to waste time and get muddy very often

[@MHDHRacing]

Going to buy a turbo trainer this autumn for the training with Zwift over the winter, we can't ride in winter with 1m of snow outside here in Austria 😅❄️🇦🇹

[@teridzard1776]

Why exactly shall I pay extra for a piece of software, after I already bought a bike and a turbo trainer? Why does it matter at all what type of bike I put on my turbo trainer?

[@grandad1982]

@@Cheddar702 Yeah but you don't want cycling to move towards the cancer that is the modern mainstream game monitisation method (not for real life cycling obviously).

[@sholehan]

Recent convert to zwift - yes, "outside" is better, but I can zwift at 9pm at night with my 18 month old son in bed above me when Mum has gone out for the evening. Can't do that outside!

[@thetrailtrawler2602]

I’d train indoors on occasion if I don’t have time for a day out riding. But it’s more just for general health than improving my riding... it’s not fun

[@daviddang82]

Improving your fitness will improve your riding

[@daviddang82]

Improving your fitness will improve your riding

[@DENNISBRUCE]

I live in Australia and here it’s to hot to ride sometimes

[@Ricochetmex]

I thought you’ll talk about indoor skate/bike parks haha

[@Motorep146]

The only thing I'd hate more than riding my mountain bike on pavement is strapping my mountain bike to a trainer. I'll stick to night rides on the mountain bike and long road rides on the weekends.

[@neilcheshire5726]

Cold, wet and muddy trail beats my indoor trainer any day.

[@5springsadventure877]

So, you recommend riding in heavy traffic, wearing black gear and no lights in shitty weather like that? Both surprising and quite disappointing to be honest.

[@darcyphillips70]

Yet only one of you is smiling and one of you has spent a fortune on more technology... winter has never put me off, it’s all part of the joy

[@Hardcaslte]

Yet one of them got an actual better workout that will make them better when the weather is good to ride in, and one of them slid around a mountain for about 15 minutes not really getting any physical benefit from it. People who haven't used an indoor trainer really don't understand how much it improves your riding ability in real life, and like they said in the video Zwift is actually fun to ride on. It's not a chore, and you'll get far stronger with a dedicated workout plan on an indoor trainer than you will sliding around in the mud.

[@outtrigger]

@@Hardcaslte great point

[@fisharefriends598]

I’m using mine on an indoor roller.

[@TheBabylonJohn]

Seriously gents, you cannot compare watts without normalizing to weight like zwift does. Average heart rate would be interesting too. The zwift sessions, for better or worse, do not let you cheat. And Neil gets bonus points saying his road bike lives on the trainer. :) Getting outside definitely more fun, though less focused and possibly not as effective (from a zwift user that has not logged in since last spring when the snow melted...)!!!

[@asiluawksadvnase8238]

Could we get more karate videos from Henry please? Genius!

[@gmbn]

Got to get that Tai Chi training in now. KSI and Logan must be scared! 🤣

[@NZWozza]

GMBN vs GCN Karate. Henry vs Jeremy! Please make it happen.

[@ljubomirparo6726]

Go to indor skate park and you are good😉

[@lukasmtb3672]

Hi just wanna know when the winners of the competition will be announced

[@simonlaland]

Can you please create a GMBN jersey for Zwift?

[@lioncross1849]

I don’t really like how strict road bikes are but I want to race road bike users on zwift. Can you use a mountain bike on a smart trainer and race on a virtual road bike against other road bikes?

[@nickwatkins5227]

Looks expensive but I’ll have one if your giving it away

[@dougbarnett4252]

In Montana it’s cold and snowy but that’s nothing a fatbike Handel I can’t stair at a tv on my bike.....

[@crea7or]

LOL, wahoo commercial :)

[@gmbn]

We borrowed this Kickr setup from the guys over at GCN. You can use any smart trainer 😀

[@BenWoods1]

EPIC

[@petersauer94]

MTB on bitumen roads isn't road bikes for that, knobby tyres on bitumen!..Neil has the right idea, or just ride of road in the muck and hose your bike of quickly.

[@benjaminwadey6688]

Would be keen to get a MTB on the turbo as I don't have space to leave a road bike on it. But the Idea of my carbon frame bolted into a turbo with the suspension moving around puts me off the idea. How dose this setup work with a 12x148 frame? Do the end caps on the turbo move or dose it just rotate on the dropouts when the suspension moves? Are there any other turbo options that work?

[@gmbn]

Hey Benjamin, if you would like to use your MTB you will need to use a turbo that will be compatible with your axle setup. You could also try using a set of rollers.

[@vmantech8957]

Yeah and what's the cost for all that gear. And the ongoing cost..

[@Zzyyxx22]

High viz Henry? I use zwift. It’s great.

[@jimsec7344]

Not bad in Australia

[@milessmith589]

There is a reason why when 'Evetesting' on Zwift it takes less than 50% of the time it takes IRL 🙄

[@ccapp3389]

Do you folks have a recommendation to increase the resistance to fit mountain bike gears? I’ve started using it recently with my 1x12 hardtail and and am very quickly spinning out of my fastest gear on the flats with relatively low watts. The machine is definitely able to generate resistance as demonstrated by the climbs, but on flats and descent it seems like there should be an adjustment available that I can’t find.

[@alexisastrie]

No way you're putting me on an indoors bike!

[@aimkana]

Three

[@rischidm]

If Henry were a musical instrument, he'd be a Taylor acoustic guitar :)

[@Wargwarn]

So you could strum him?

[@denis_kleshchev]

yes, but can you manual on this thing?

[@mikieson]

Why isnt there a good option for both online and off road riding? Kind of strange to ride a mtb on pavement if they are going for "real life"..Do they not have real off road tracks? OR am i missing it??Thanks

[@gmbn]

Neil was riding the first MTB track. It's called Repack Ridge. Check out 02:49 😀

[@Pastamistic]

Knowing Zwift they're definitely working on adding mtb trails. Repack Ridge is the first trail and seems to just be more or less beta testing.

[@ZimmMr]

But where can you purchase them?

[@FatBlokeDoingStuff]

I've got an old racer which I was thinking about using for something like this. I've always found that exercise bikes feel wrong. Do any of you have not too expensive trainer recommendations that I can use that racer on?

[@AreebH_04]

I’d rather watch GMBN videos at winter

[@gmbn]

Areeb Haroon why not both? Stay stoked on riding and keep fitness up!

[@Rasakson]

music from 0:48 to 1:03? it's not mentioned in the description

[@ZOB4]

Will putting your full-sus bike on a Kickr have any negatives on your suspension? I have my road bike set up on it now, but my position on the MTB is very different to my road position, and I'd like to use the MTB inside but don't want to ruin my suspension. #askgmbn

[@nateisright]

#askgmbn

[@ChrisLemonis]

Is really indoor training suitable for mountain biking?

[@gmbn]

Chris Lemonis we think that keeping active throughout the ’off-season’ can really help with summer riding! Some people choose to ride road bikes, some just go out and get muddy and some use a Turbo Trainer. This is just a great option to help keep the turbo sessions entertaining and help by adding structure.

[@Safewoood]

Everyone: i do use some indoor trainig yes Freeriders: training never heard of it

[@bernadettewest3207]

what size wheel is that

[@CalvinJamesSkinner]

You don't want it 30º henry, it's rough as guts. ask an aussie.

[@davidking3699]

Henry: "You might want less traffic and 30 degrees, but you can't have it all..." Neil: Has it all... (except bus fumes, wet clothes & shoes, bike that needs to be washed, wrong tyres...)

[@TheForever1990]

The bike is solid and my Ebike conversion went great. kzbin.infoUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Very smooth ride at 30mph with no problems (135 miles ridden so far). The picture is a bit deceiving - there is WAY less space in the center of the frame than it shows. The suspension connection takes up the entire thing. So I needed to attach my battery on the bottom of the frame and my controller on the top. Instructions for assembly were lacking but honestly it wasn't too hard to figure out even though I have very little bike knowledge. Watched some youtube videos on adjusting the disk brakes but that was it. Still, I am loving it and very happy with the purchase.

[@nateisright]

Somewhere in the world, someone is training when you are not. When you race them, you will lose.

[@Tony_P]

If it wasn't for the white helmet , youd be hard to see for people driving cars. Brave choice of kit. :/

[@FourIntoOne]

Many of the trails, paths, tracks etc here are closed over winter (and are totally unrideable anyway) so proper mountain biking is quite hard to come by. Turbo training is a godsend and keeps you on the boil ready for next season. And guys, it isn't either or, it can be a supplement to, not an instead of, which is what is is for me - Im usually fitter and stronger than most of my riding mates who say no way, thats not mountain biking, not for me etc etc. Their loss.

[@pytek23]

Someone watched to much of Sam Hill :-)

[@alexanderwendelbo1447]

Whats Niels w/kg FTP???

[@gmbn]

🤷‍♂️ add the #AskGMBN tag to your post and he may answer it. Some pros and ex-pros don't like to share this though.

[@Pastamistic]

I think he said it was around 300 watts when he was riding as a pro during their workout with Nino Schurter.

[@jjrh329]

👍

[@mistacheeze5366]

#AskGMBNAnything what makes reverse arch forks different

[@iplayhalo9617]

Hi

[@tamserenity]

#askgmbn Is it true you have to work twice as hard on a trainer to get the same effect on riding out doors?

[@Wargwarn]

No

[@ashysbikehacks6198]

Second

[@keinotee]

get some fenders and go out there

[@jurroonnus]

Nice video but too much Swift commercial.

[@gmbn]

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