Does Melusine Invalidate Ibuki (Fate/Grand Order)

[@PlushieMistress]

melusine is worse imo, zerks are better for farming than rulers by a lot. Damage is as big an issue as refund nowadays for farming

[@watashielshaeddo5454]

summer ibuki aside, tbh I'd pretty much roll for tez than ruler melusine, Tez is just a way better choice lol

[@うっちゃんだ]

finally someone sane in the comments instead of arguing against sibuki because they're biased lolicons lol +respect to plushie

[@GS_CCC]

Melusine also lacks all the team buffs ibuki offers if she is not the main looper.

[@Sb142sf]

@@watashielshaeddo5454now this is a man of culture.

[@thatoneguy978]

Idk who even thought melusine eclipses Ibuki

[@TurinTurambar200]

Last year: don't roll for Summer Kama, Summer Ibuki is just a year away. This year: don't roll for Summer Ibuki, Summer Melusine is just a year away.

[@bobrogromnybobr]

ikr that's so annoying. i still remember when castoria came out on Jp and people on NA started clowning Tamamo despite two years gap

[@jonathangoodwin5609]

Honestly, a year gap is long enough that it doesn't justify skipping. With that kind of time, you can get both.

[@GS_CCC]

If you use the servant they will be bond 10 in less than half a year, never understood the argument. If you legit only use the servant they will be like 12 and a half probably idk.

[@Mana-qp4uw]

Melusine is not even better than Ibuki, Melusine is worse since zerker dmg is always better

[@O530CarrisPT_C2]

@@TurinTurambar200 Hopefully, Summer 9 can break the cycle, and give some airtime to Quick and ST servants.

[@VetoShizu]

I feel like we've been through this too much. This is FGO, so what's really important is your supports then you can pick whoever you want afterwards. It's not like the game throws hard battles at us constantly and we have grails plus gold fous if our servants is hitting potato. I don't think it matters that much as long as you're getting through the farming just fine. I would love Summer Ibuki but I have to prioritize Summer Skadi this year. Melusine is still a badass cutie tho.

[@khalidpatterson1422]

yea i dont get why people go so hard over shit like this

[@helios2664]

Indeed, who do you like more? Get them at a decent np level and call it a day. It’s a single player game no need to stress so much when the differences between top units are negligible.

[@Pomho1812]

Reject both, quick farm with Sen-no-Rikyu is the true way

[@thepureheartofdark]

We have a true connoisseur of tea right here.

[@Pomho1812]

@@thepureheartofdark as a quick believer, she's my next target after S.Skadi. Hopefully I can snag her NP2 or at worst get a copy of her from the NY lucky bag

[@ethanluke5130]

Finally someone who speaks common sense

[@linah1998]

sorry but this is a bit of a weird debate. It's either a unit that's effective against almost everything vs a unit that's defensive against all base classes. This is not a Morgan vs Arjuna Alter type of situation

[@mrharvy100]

There are more nuance differences than that. The 80% battery actually matters in some nodes which gives her an edge in nodes especially when a 1.1 damage mod is still enough compared to a Berserker 1.5.

[@Umbreon650]

It comes down to personal preference

[@Prahalad3362]

People arguing melusine Vs Ibuki Me in the corner slowly gathering copies for my Musashi Berserker (hushhhh, no one will ever replace you)

[@kateliza8922]

in 1.5 years, her dmg will be insane 💀

[@mrharvy100]

It’s hilarious how Ibuki fans are going full defense mode insisting Melu didn’t powercreep her, but had no problems insisting Ibuki crept Musashi awhile back. Can call it Karma I guess.

[@nero_claudius_]

@@mrharvy100 melu did not powercreep summer Ibuki 😭 Ibuki is stronger still

[@GS_CCC]

​@@mrharvy100she did tho. How is another arts berserker looper that has 50 more charge, good dmg, top tier team buffs, can be used in tons of different comps and roles not a powercreep.

[@Mana-qp4uw]

​@@mrharvy100because Melu did not powercreep Ibuki, you use both for farming and Ibuki does it better, the argument for one is tankier is useless because you won't be using either for CQ

[@goldeyeblue]

The Long and Short of it is having both is a luxury, have either one and you’re Golden, so go by preference! Big or Small! However if you go for both, it is great to have both a Berserker and Neutral Extra Class Looper! Melusine is best with her 80% Battery yes for the 90++ nodes, and has a great power mod with more survivability for CQs! Ibuki will however at equal NPs will do higher damage with semi-support capabilities! On JP my Melusine at 120 is my go to yes! But on NA there are plenty of times I think, who’s better for this particular node, Summer Kama or Summer Musashi?

[@zeroone2731]

lol ibuki and melusine having a similar damage output is the biggest joke I've ever heard fyi you need atleast np4 melusine to even match a np2 ibuki

[@cheesetomeetyou]

Aren't the odds technically greater to get np 4 Melusine over np 2 ibuki? I'm pretty sure it's right, but idk the formula needed to get the odds for either after x amount of attempts so I just divided their individual rates by the number of copies you'd want i.e. 1.5/4 and .7/2

[@narecho5398]

@@cheesetomeetyouThey’re both SSR, so they have the same rate up percentage…

[@zeroone2731]

​@@cheesetomeetyouthere is no percentage up after you get a copy the odds are the same

[@cheesetomeetyou]

@@narecho5398I have no idea why I thought she was a 4 star

[@cheesetomeetyou]

@@zeroone2731That's not what I meant. I thought Ruler Melusine was a 4 star unit and 4 stars on rate up have a 1.5% chance of being pulled

[@blaneonthemoon2507]

They do the same thing but ibuki does more damage. Both are good but if you have 1, you dont need the other. With all that being said, summer kiara needs a buff.

[@mrharvy100]

They don’t do the same thing. Did you even look at what both characters can do?

[@sibsart2039]

@@mrharvy100 Both are used for farming, one is just entirely built for farming and the other has survivability for hard content.

[@うっちゃんだ]

@@sibsart2039 actually i replied to him in another comment now it dawned on me he's probably a melusine simp as in the other comment he said the battery and the 1.1 damage mod is a plus for melu than a plus for sibuki who has 1.5 mod as a zerk amongst the plethora of arts support with battery lol

[@d4clovetrain900]

@@うっちゃんだ mf really out here punching strays lmao

[@blaneonthemoon2507]

@mrharvy100 like the other guy said, they are both aoe arts units used primarily for farming. Ibuki does more damage, melusine has a bigger battery. Both will get the job done. They do the same thing at the end of the day. I didnt say theirckits were the same, but their purpose and usability are relative.

[@RyuseiiTheCrimsonKing]

Ibuki is better, due to sheer availability you don't have to wait much longer for her, but you could be dead or have quit the game by the time summer melu rolls around. Life is limited and Ibuki will be able to do more due to their similar capabilities. People tend to forget the importance of availability.

[@purevampiretsukune]

I'm still amazed I pulled Morgan,Melusine,Koyanskya, and Oberon last year

[@wooperdoober74]

You and me both

[@ryukagesama]

I was satisfied not rolling for Melusine because I managed to summon the other three, but then the Gacha gods blessed me with Melusine on the New Year's Lucky Bag. It was a good year.🎉

[@aroperdope]

The big four....

[@EmericMAMBOLE]

Lucky, I'm missing Koyanska personally. Altough I have foreigner version

[@rx-93-2ikimasu4]

I saved a ton of sq by pulling Koyan light with a single ticket lol. Thanks to that I managed to NP5 my melusine over two separate banners

[@Ethonra]

Melusine will always be my number one Servant and favorite dragon. I will spare you all the multiple essays as to why. Also, I can't have her burning down Chaldea from loneliness and/or jealousy. 🏢 🔥 🐉

[@sibsart2039]

Damage wise Ibuki being a berserker will almost always make her a better looper. But Melucine will be the go too for hard content and challenge quests.

[@ElloboFreak26]

nah rolling for ibuki by the time Melu summer is here ibuki will be on bond 10

[@azeemsiddiqui4764]

Summer Ibuki. You can pull for an omnifarmer now rather than wait an extra yr for another.

[@Lilwo0olf_69]

Or use Zerker Musashi and wait for ruler Melusine 🤓

[@jamses4532]

I already have Musashi and both Kiaras and I'm still going to try for an NP2 Ibuki. I love Raita's designs and I'm not that invested in the meta. Heck, I'm actively avoiding Oberon cause there's usually 5 or more other servants I want each year. I was going to roll on Melusine's banner anyway cause I want Barghest more than Melu.

[@Chris-ot1rf]

I have a 118 NP3 Musashi and I'm still pulling for NP2 Ibuki. I just really like her though honestly I'm a little done with "two volleyballs on chest held back by ribbons" character design, but damn the absolutely enormous sprites are hilarious.

[@TheCardof]

life is to short to be contemplating about the summons just do what you want

[@ruru1993]

Ibuki is a beserker, which makes her easier to use at lower np levels if you can't use black grail for an event. If both are np 5 then it's different I guess but at np 1 I don't think melusine invalidates ibuki or is even better than ibuki in the firat place

[@darksteelmenace595]

I kinda think she already has a lot of competition as an arts omni looper, but I'll probably roll for her anyway if the other 2 summer banners are nice to me (cause I'm absolutely satisfied with Lady Avalon and summer Skadi both NP1).

[@HopeforDespair]

I thought he was talking about np5 melusine lancer vs summer ibuki how are we talking about a servant we wont see on N.A for over a year lol

[@espurrseyes42]

Melu is more Node friendly due to 80% Battery (functional 100 due to Append 2), but Ibuki deals more damage due to Zerk classing.

[@zan-0]

as a f2p i am happy with np3 lancer melusine and i dont need a new AOE looper

[@jeremycullen]

Thanks for this also!

[@Flaris]

Well Melusine is definitely the cuter looper and that’s a huge point on her favour. Ibuki has crazy strength. Berserker strength is excellent. But Melusine is a safe and reliable option. Easily a contender for one of the top arts looper slots.

[@riziqherviansyahsabara8939]

Yeah bruv, in the end if you already have Ibuki you don't need to gacha Melussine either.

[@TheEmperorGulcasa]

My understanding is s ibuki is generally far better for farming. Berserker effectiveness along with team support for multi core means she is good very often. Melusine not only comes way later, but is purely selfish and has lower damage on average due to neutral. Melusine I’d assume probably has a lead if you are doing a longer fight as she’s resilient instead of paper, but that’s separate from farming.

[@runelsie7454]

I’m so serious, who asked this question? They both serve different niches.

[@ryukagesama]

I'm hesitant to roll for Bikinibuki because of the forthcoming buff for Summer Musashi, who I already have.

[@ryojimata3708]

give in to the snek, all hail snek.

[@Chris-ot1rf]

That's a year and a half away, and while Berzsashi's buff seems to have been done as a counterbalance to Ibuki, Ibuki is still better in most cases. I love Musashi and have her at 118 NP3 and she's great, but she starts looking for Oberon in her contacts the second she sees anything but 3/3/x, and she provides nothing to the team besides saying "give me all the buffs and stand back". Ibuki can say the same but also can provide utility if need be, like with AA or Arc. And her charge means that she can Black Grail or 6CE a lot of stuff that Musashi just can't. The NP strength buff Mus gets in 2026 is a big deal, but it doesn't help with her problems, it just lets her hit harder on nodes she can already loop. Musashi does win when it comes to being able to just disregard even unremovable evade/invincible, which as any Musashi enjoyer knows is huge, but Ibuki's on-NP dispel takes care of the removable ones. I went back and forth on this one a lot a few months ago before I finally realized I was huffing copium trying to convince myself that Musashi even with buff was on the level of Ibuki. She's still my girl though. But I will say that I am a big fan of big girls, and Ibuki is the closest we're likely to ever gyatt (Jinako's belly is something though). I'm just hoping I can NP2+ Ibuki without too much pain because I feel the damage drop from NP3 Mus would be frustrating, but I've been saving and she's getting pulled.

[@angelosantos990]

I rather summon prototype merlin than summoning another Arts AOE character much worse as she's not a buster farming where 90++ node needs buster character looper...

[@astrograph2520]

The only thing topping my np2 normal melusine is np2 summer meluko that's it

[@AusSP]

Doesn't matter. Both beyond good. Both hot. ...Admittedly, my JP NP3 Melusine is pretty impressive, but that's not how we plan for these things.

[@geminihero]

Well, I’m not gonna lie. I’m not really a veteran of this game. I’ve only been playing for roughly 2 years. I’m not sure if that makes me a veteran, but I have come to the realization while playing this game. at the end of the day this is a gotcha game and no matter how much we don’t want to admit it. It’s also driven on FOMO. Here’s a little story to make my point back when Castoria was scheduled to be released in a few months, the game decided to have the free SSR better which allows players to pick one free servant and at the time my collection of servants was mostly all beat sticks and power houses….but no support. Now Castoria was the best support servant in the game, and I could have just decided to spend my ticket on yet another powerful servant, perhaps even one that would do well with Castoria, but because I knew the chances of getting Castoria no matter how many Saint quarts I saved up, may not matter in the end I decided to get waiver. Now when her banner finally released, I put in 300 saved SQs….. then I spent an additional 100 paid SQs. And yet, for some reason, she still does not want to drop so at that time, making the right choice to take a more guaranteed route of us support was starting to pay off, but on the very last day of her banner, I still had roughly 4 Saint courts left. And mind you this is before the bad luck protection was initiated. In fact, it was initiated a few months after, but I rolled, and I got Castoria. But at the same time this meant that now waiver was power creeped. But I do not feel salty about that because it was a wise choice to make it obvious choice to get something guaranteed than to try to get one from a gotcha. Still in my opinion, even if there is a servant that is going to be arguably better than the previous serve it I think you should always prioritize the most important servants the ones that actually will make a difference over the ones that you just want but if the service is still very good on both sides of the fence, then you should not in my opinion do without either because again all because you get summer Ibuki…. Doesn’t mean you can’t get summer Mélusine, next year. Because again it’s a gotcha game and if you chose to go after them more powerful servant next year, it doesn’t mean that you’re going to get her next year and you’re going to feel bad that you didn’t at least have a service that was close to being on her level in the first place. So yeah, play responsibly, but always make sure that you don’t miss an opportunity to get someone cause even if they are a power crept in the future doesn’t mean that they are not going to be a needed item now.

[@Ceadra01]

I'll be passing on Ibuki in hopes of a higher np level for Summer Kama as I have her skills already maxed. Also for servant coins as I might try to 120 her.

[@HS86]

Same here. I already have her at NP2, and a hypothetical NP3 Summer Kama does roughly the same damage as a hypothetical NP1 Summer Ibuki + she has more use in longer fights. Still, it all depends on how much I have left after pulling for Ruler Skadi and Proto Merlin. New supports are more important than slightly stronger loopers.

[@gt3racer2187]

I already have a 120 Spishtar. Mostly want Ibuki as an Arcueid support.

[@youtubecommenter4213]

i'm almost bond 15 with spishtar, i need another arts looper or i'm going to be wasting all those sweet bond points.

[@marcelyuzuki6376]

Mélusine all the way

[@Kitty-we6il]

i always say go for waifu over meta because meta changes but your waifu never does.

[@qayyumkurosaki924]

Remember the earlier days guys, berserker herc help us for so many time, its a berserker no need to think just go hunga bunga and then its done XD berserker the best class, its either kill or command seal hahhaha

[@jj6434]

I summoned for avenger Kama last year as a trophy and I literally haven’t gotten a 5 star since then

[@marupurusaivamsi4802]

I have gotten Morgan, molay, bb, today kama in total nearly 400 sq I guess. And some 4 stars. Last 3 months

[@Argo_deman]

My deep condolences to you then

[@jj6434]

@@marupurusaivamsi4802 big ups my boy, hope that luck can continue for you

[@jj6434]

@@Argo_deman ikr i just pray my luck gets better for summer skadi and lady avalon

[@HopeforDespair]

@@marupurusaivamsi4802got np6 melu lancer in about that much

[@Keiji012]

I am bonafide F2P, never did even gssr but whoever which one of em I get I'm good 😊

[@rooooollll]

No matter how hard your np hits, Its useless if the enemies have invl or evade

[@marcelrerock2925]

laughs in lancer melusine with ignore invul/evade np 🎉

[@jeremiahsingh5724]

Ibuki removes those buffs before dmg 0_o. Unless its a boss where it cant be removed...

[@santy5551]

​@@jeremiahsingh5724 i think that is the point theyre making against summer melusine, she cant remove defensive buffs before np

[@Jet-Black_Cat]

I like both Ibuki and Melusine so I'm getting both of their summer just like how I have both Ibuki and Melusine

[@Gray_Fox115]

I’ll do a few multi’s for proto Merlin and ibuki but then I’m saving more for lb6 summer since I like all of them as characters more

[@mrsheldon9134]

Huh? What do you mean Summer Melu has higher base damage? She has 11,495 atk at lv90 whereas Summer Ibuki has 12,961 atk at lv90.

[@GS_CCC]

Atk value is pretty irrelevant, if a servant has 15k atk and no self buffs and another has 10k base atk but 300% np dmg in his kit the second will deal more base dmg. Of course ibuki will deal more dmg excluding traits since she has class adv unlike melusine. But her base dmg is lower.

[@jaynguin]

I love the Orochi fam, so im summoning for her regardless of what people say lol

[@maosama3695]

if you want great farming there's summer musashi , you don't have to lie just say you like her ass more , that's enough reason to roll for orochi.

[@waydebelgrave-haynes855]

@@maosama3695 ??? Are you okay in the head?

[@うっちゃんだ]

​@@maosama3695 someone got so hurt over here lmao there, there young fella

[@jaynguin]

Sheesh what'd i miss 😬

[@Snootz86]

Title is insane.. if anything it "should be does Sibuki invalidate SMelu" 😂 If for some reason you dont have an arts farmer.. go all in for her in a few weeks.. i am skipping only because I have a super invested Skama

[@mrharvy100]

Not really. There are plenty of things Summer Melu is better than Ibuki. It’s like you didn’t even watch the video

[@Snootz86]

@mrharvy100 I was mocking his title.. but yes really.. Sibuki is better for like 90% of FGO content then Smelu

[@amaridawkins64]

Nah it’s waifu simulator why use them when I can just use my Arjuna for everything

[@creepygamercom]

@@mrharvy100 "Plenty of things" Doesn't name a single thing to back up his claim. She's a tanky ruler, that's it. Ibuki has more damage and utility.

[@Mana-qp4uw]

​@@mrharvy100plenty of things like...? challenge quests that you do once every 2 months? LOL i would be using Morgan or Godjuna instead

[@nero_claudius_]

Summer Ibuki is better than Summer Melusine in almost every way. While Ibuki is not significantly better in any aspect (other than maybe damage), she is better in almost every category, to the point where she’s almost a direct upgrade to Summer Melusine.

[@Chris-ot1rf]

Yeah "Mel is better but Ibuki is fine" is the craziest take, though we're used to hot take title/descriptions from ZTL by now I guess, and here's us interacting so mission accomplished.

[@dimensionvisitor7689]

it's actually the other way around, summer ibuki is worse in almost every way where damage being her only aspect that is really better than summer melu (even then, summer melu isn't that far off due to her ramping effect and chaotic damage mod). summer melu has better looping, arguably better team value, better survivability, better crit. not saying melu is better tho, as over 90% of the content in fgo is farming, S ibuki being a better farmer is definitely more important overall, thus making ibuki better, I just want to debunk the misconception of S ibuki being better than S melu outside of farming capability

[@nero_claudius_]

@@dimensionvisitor7689 I would argue that even that is not the case, I agree that she has better survivability but that actually is barely an advantage with castoria in the game, you would rather hard focus on offense than add to an area which is already covered by a meta support. I don’t see how she can have better team value when all she provides is a damage cut to the team whereas Ibuki has targetable 30% steroids and cd reduction. Melusine’s looping is slightly better, to the point where she can farm 1 - 1 - x nodes, but situations like that almost never occur and summer Ibuki will be better in every scenario other than that. I don’t even think Melusine is better by a significant margin when it comes to crits, sure she has a higher crit steroid but class advantage makes up for it, plus I wouldn’t say doing crit damage as an arts AOE is even super relevant when you can just spam your NP. In a challenge quest I think I would prefer the defensive buff removal and raw damage that Ibuki provides over some crits and extra defense which is really just overkill when castoria will keep your party safe. In the end though they are comparable enough to the point where even though Ibuki has her advantages, they are not so significant as to invalidate Melusine and they essentially do the same thing in most scenarios.

[@dimensionvisitor7689]

@@nero_claudius_ I think you are overestimating how well castoria can keep S ibuki safe, without specific set up, double castoria is just 2 hit solemn def + 1-2T invul depending on how you use her steroid. for S ibuki, who has the 2nd lowest hp among 5* zerks, it really depend on RNG against mid-high diff CQs. that def remove is also almost never going to work due to the CQs that depend on defense gimmick are always unremovable. cd reduction is also fairly pointless in terms of team support since unless you specifically built a team where you want to use her skill on someone else (like the arc cd reduce farming comp) there's pretty much zero chance you are going to use it on her teammates. and again, that team damage cut covers the supports as well, as a reminder, unless you have overcharge CE on your castoria, castoria's own survival is going to be a problem, I have run into situations where castoria died on the same turn she used her np. yes, I agree, S ibuki and S melu are close enough to be both viable

[@RB-dr3dh]

Summer ibuki is better at everything besides 1-1-x nodes (which are so rare you shouldn't really base your decision off that)

[@かーい-z9p]

exactly, some people even bring up the ridiculous 1-1-1 scenario just to reach for air to win anything. I also don't get the reason why the 3rd turn matters so much, these two just deals so much damage anw that it really doesn't matter, the boss dies then good continue farming then lol people also i feel factor in how great summer melusine is "in cq's" but bring up farming like which are we talking about here? unless they only do cq's and call it farming and don't touch nodes that actually is for farming lol it's really hilarious

[@AHbllf]

Ibuki is off my summoning plan. I'm also debating if I should drop Lady Avalon / Archetype Earth from the list too. I'm currently going for my first copy of Kama and am 17 or 18 multis in - burning too many SQ and still more to go. S Skadi is my main target. Decisions, decisions.

[@maosama3695]

go for summer skadi , avalon isn't that much of a game changer anyway. for me personally it's arcued , she was basically my introduction to the typemoon. way back in the early 00s. just got my 1st copy of kama too , for some reason she has eluded my for years. now i have a complete sakura set.

[@AHbllf]

@@maosama3695 That's kind of where I'm at. S Skadi is a must. Arc is probably second. I just wish the events were reversed so I'd know how many SQ I'd have left after summoning for S Skadi - and therefore how much I could dedicate for Arc. I'd really like multiple NP levels of her. Instead, I might have to settle for using her to clear out trash mobs only. Bleh.

[@AHbllf]

Well, Kama took me to pity. Second servant to do so this year. =( Koyan Light was the other one. Based on an analysis of my rolls, I've determined that Evil Assassin servants hate me. How badly do I really want Mysterious Heroine X Alter anyway?

[@GS_CCC]

​@@maosama3695summer skadi also isn't one, allowing like 5/6 quick servants to 6-slot is nothing crazy really. She gets better for events where you will have charge CEs but nothing other comps can't do more easily.

[@marcelyuzuki6376]

I'm summon for Summer Erice and hope Ibuki don't interrupt

[@danween]

saying Summer Melusine is better than Summer Ibuki is absolute nonsense

[@d4clovetrain900]

indeed, why is it even an argument? Small dragon is always better

[@danween]

@@d4clovetrain900 in your dreams

[@d4clovetrain900]

@@danween speak for yourself?

[@Nimzoc]

I can't really comprehend the comparison either. One has class advantage over almost everything and the other is the inverse of that... If FGO would value tanking ability then you bet that sMelusine would take the spot but it doesn't!

[@danween]

@@d4clovetrain900 one is hyper offensive against mostly everything and the other is defensive against most. in a game where you’re farming a majority of the time, who is going to be the better value?

[@d4clovetrain900]

the Cute and Funny dragon is definitely better

[@thatonecanadianguy6523]

Subjective take. Definitely not an objective one.

[@jeremycullen]

lol I deff asked the question like 2-3 weeks ago 😅. I want Ibuki for Ibuki and skadi for skadi. each get 150 sq and that's all I can give. But I am "Whaling" for lb6 summer and trying to get every unit at least np1 and Sith np5. Saving like the whole year so Melusine will likely be np2 (unless the gacha gods are absolute chads and give me 5 copies of Sith in one shot🤣)

[@PGM991]

I'll saving for NP5 summer Morgan❤

[@nevergonnagiveyouup7267]

I want ibuki but it's tough because summer skadi is also in that time frame

[@pingufan1239]

Who has ever suggested this? Ibuki outdamages Melusine but cannot do 1-1-1?

[@octapusxft]

People in Global should just save more SQ for the really good units. Both dragons are worth saving for

[@chrisdodd4014]

Just from a damage perspective, Ibuki still ranks above Melusine. The berserker class really is too strong. I generally tend to rank them about the same since they're both more suited to different things. The same goes for Space Ereshkigal who kind of fits right in between them. I really think Ereshkigal is slightly better than Melusine because she's a bit more flexible as a neutral looper, but still falls behind Ibuik. All that said: If you already have a universal looper that you've invested in like Space Ishtar, you really don't have to roll on any of them. In all reality; if you got/get Iyo from the event up to NP5, you don't technically need any of them so long as you invest into Iyo. At the end of the day, waifu over meta every time, since drivers can always be substituted. The only time meta units rank over waifus is with supports. Not having Castoria, Koyanskya, Skadi (both), and Oberon, really cuts into your ability to loop with their respective card types. Oberon can be subbed out, but it removes units that could loop with him but can't without him like Melusine lancer. On top of that you can have some issues with 90++ or CQ nodes unless you run multicore setups. Generally speaking though even if you only have one of the top 10 arts loopers at NP2+ you'll be fine for the bulk of the content out there. Space Ereshkigal is quite good, but maybe if you have an Ibuki or Melusine that you've already put a lot of investment in you may want to skip. If you got NP2 Ibuki on NA during the Summer event, you may opt to skip both Melusine and Ereshkigal and focus on other servants who may fill a gap in your box. Even as a mid level whale, I generally consider the pros and cons of rolling on banners, unless it's a top shelf waifu for me. If Ushiwakamaru alter (Babylon version) dropped as an SSR banner, I'd probably spend 100000¥ in attempt to NP5 her weather her kit is broken or not.

[@robertgordon7438]

It's interesting when people say that there are servants that are must have. It's like how you mention that your JP doesn't have Oberon, you just need to think a little more and work a little harder with what you do have to finish the content. FGO isn't made to have the most optimal compositions every fight, and year 1 farming isn't optimal, but it gets the job done. People also tend to forget that its perfectly fine to triple command code your lineup for the extremely difficult fights.

[@fadhlanzaqwan3897]

True at the end of the day even year 1 servant can clear out fgo content, just pulled for your favorite character design

[@Psvu636]

I’m getting sibuki, I will roll for summer barghest and if I get summer melusine it would be cool (I don’t care about melusine allat much)

[@Thissentenceisfalselosers]

The real answer is seeing meta Servants as top-tier waifus is the TRUE meta of being an F2P player, and that is why I am aiming to roll for BOTH of them.

[@faraway8171]

Funny Enough Chan gong solved my problem with who to pick 😊

[@rasmussundin637]

Summer Kama supremacy for me!

[@duno1863]

I’m skipping this summer for next summer 🕺

[@datnoob4394]

I reckon a grailed Level 120 Jason might be able to clear some 90++ nodes.

[@theAnimeBoy16]

Melusine clears, no shot for Jason

[@mattyhatesyou]

Absolutely not lol. Even at 120 and max gold Fous his attack is still 11993 and has 1 star base stats. That aside I still respect your commitment to the character.

[@robinhood6077]

Lmao who looked at Summer Mélusine and thought she’d be better than Ibuki?! It would be one thing if Melusine had a different SE multiplier, but like…she’s Ibuki in a worse offensive class and with less utility. NP1 Mélusine isn’t doing anything Ibuki won’t

[@bodbyss]

What nodes can C-C-O-SIbuki NP2 do that SMelusine NP2 can't do with the same setup?

[@Cizar159]

So, do I have to avoid Ibuki summer and prioritize Arcuid, Skadi and Proto Merlin?

[@waydebelgrave-haynes855]

You don't have to do anything. Just go for whoever you prefer.

[@d4clovetrain900]

You have to do everything but drop Arcueid.🥰

[@RealLifeIronMan]

If you are like most players, you have friends with Castoria and a few servants with a support battery. If that describes you, Summer Ibuki is definitely the better servant over Summer Melusine. This video doesn't assume you have that, so it is based on the two servants in a vacuum. Summer Ibuki hits harder because it has Berserker advantage. Also, it removes all defense buffs and can provide support. Summer Ibuki as ruler will only hit neutrally to most all enemies. The only advantages it has are a bigger battery for smoother solo looping and an additional damage proc (with the damage boost being less than the Berserker boost). ZTL is literally the only youtuber to argue D. Melusine is better than S. Ibuki. So forget Arcuid. Summer Ibuki is much better.

[@RandomCmtr]

S.Ibuki is better but I don't like her art so I'm gonna go for S.Melusine

[@Milennin]

I summon Summer Mélusine instead because she's cuter (and cooler.)

[@theAnimeBoy16]

LETSGOO KING YOU DROPPED SOMETHING 👑👑👑

[@NevisYsbryd]

SIBuki: completely _not_ to my tastes and was horrible powercreep Melusine: top-tier character, very much to my tastes, top-tier though not breaking the already-established power ceiling Pretty easy comparison here.

[@theAnimeBoy16]

@@NevisYsbryd W comment.

[@achinpajou]

Cuter, Cooler, and FUNNIER 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@nhazulkimonalos9895]

Ibuki better

[@Psvu636]

Fr

[@TheDragonfireblade]

Just a tip for everyone if you have the funds to do it you should still roll for summer ibuki, just in case, because there are alot of stacked servents next year, so having her in the pocket isnt a bad idea.

[@JovanaRadovic-b9j]

Answer is Summer Musashi, thank you

[@ramsesruiz1245]

My S. Melusine is np2 while was looking for barghest. A complete win foMy S. Melusine is np2 while was looking for barghest. A complete win for me. She can do 1/1/1 and I'm pretty happy with her performance. I can't compare them because I ibukiless on JP (but for sure I will on na) but definitely I'm going to roll for her (Erice is an excellent bonus)r me. She can do 1/1/1 and I'm pretty happy with her performance. I can't compare them because I ibukiless on JP (but for sure I will on na) but definitely I'm going to roll for her (Erice is an excellent bonus)

[@M0nk3yK1ng1]

The answer is no

[@ethanluke5130]

As a Barghest simp, I'm hard rolling on summer Melu's banner with Melusine being the bonus😂 easy skip on Ibuki

[@ggryan4641]

how i see this useless (pretty much should be deleted) video to say one is better than the other. sibuki - overall great farmer, can offer things other than just damage, great at most situations of the game besides cq's smelusine - great damage dealer like sibuki, better for longer fights, cq ready due to her being a ruler imo when we are specifically just talking about "farming" then sibuki is the obvious answer (if you don't have sibuki and have smelusine then keep doing you) she's basically just gonna have 1.5 mod on all classes except foreigners and draco which are gonna be rare on 90+ and 90++ nodes. I feel the 3rd turn damage is kinda irrelevant because these two deal so much damage in the first place that bosses are dying anw, i don't get why that factors as well if the boss just dies anw whn these two fire off their np like so what? the boss died and? now i feel some people confuse smelisine's survivability to farming, how she can go for X amount of more turns than sibuki which i feel is where the bias kicks in, when we want to "farm" we don't factor in survivability and defense because we want to farm as fast as possible and dealing damage is upmost priority and "3 turning" it. Sure, smelusine is as great in farming as sibuki, but you don't go to cq's every single time you "farm", you'd be insane if you just go to cq during an event and call it "farming". If we're gonna bring up 1/1/1 enemies then why are we arguing about two aoe servants, this is just so brainrot imo and doesn't happen far too often these days, sure 1/1/X are common but that doesn't mean sibuki is immediately not viable and is trash, obviously you can use your brain to cook up a team that can do it while having sibuki so is that not allowed now? my goodness we're just gonna get to a point where players are gonna complain that they have to use their brains and press buttons on their phones when playing the game like this is actually hilarious. gotta make it clear again, if you have sibuki then it's up to you to get smelusine if you want her survivability or you want another farmer in your rostere, (for jp) if you have smelusine it's up to you to get sibuki for more damage against all classes besides foreigners and draco herself then go ahead.

[@sirwulf7592]

Summer Ibuki is by far better than Melusine lol

[@bartlettracing101]

Should i bother with Arcueid or just dump all my quartz on Ibuki? Or even go for pro merlin?

[@ladaal8867]

How much sq you got?

[@bartlettracing101]

@@ladaal8867 900 but I can get more

[@bartlettracing101]

Prefer not to of course

[@RealLifeIronMan]

​@@bartlettracing101 Support will always be worth more for your kit. Especially since most meta strats rely on two copies of the same support. Proto Merlin and Ruler Skadi should be your top priority if you care about that sort of thing. You can always borrow a Arcueid or Ibuki from friend.

[@bartlettracing101]

@@RealLifeIronMan gotcha

[@mrharvy100]

So basically skip years for Summee Melu instead. Of course if another power creep happens then wait another few years and so on and so forth

[@BrokenEnterpriseRandomization]

Okay, so I have a concern. Can ibuki look with just Xu fu and Castoria? Because I do not have castoria, Oberon, koyan, or skadi, so what banner exactly should I prioritize? (I've gotten through most 90+ nodes with Castoria, saleiri >lvl 90

[@xionvixon3387]

She more then likely can. Add on some ces with arts and np gain and you should be fine

[@GS_CCC]

Yes. Just be sure to unlock 2004 MC

[@jonathangoodwin5609]

Considering that I don't have Melusine, no. She does not.

[@briannguyen6248]

Here I am using Charlie and Arc to farm 😂and for arts it’s Murumasa. Or Kama.

[@alessandrocappetta4547]

Ik it's unrelated but i am planning to skip on ibuki's banner to get spishtar a month later. Is she reliable enough at np1 or do I have to get at least np2?

[@soryntepes]

NP2 I say, her damage can be lacking a lot at NP1 which means lower refund honestly the most annoying part of her kit is the QAB buff but its not gauranteed, meaning if you brought her into like an arts comp per se and she didnt get the arts buff then you may not be able to loop at NP1

[@Hannibal13]

She’s good but her animations are so long😭

[@putrangos]

Fist time I saw this I thought: summer melusine? wuzzat? And the more I check her kit, more I think like: she's a niche. Melusine got more theoritical damage, but Ibuki have defense cleanse making her effectively have more damage in more situation than Melusine ever does. Yes she can do wanky Pride+ farming once every 3-4 months, but do f2p player actually even thinks they can do it to consider pulling for only Melusine? Probably not. This is a bad video for making people think that summer Melusine is anyway comparable to summer Ibuki.

[@dylanhelvetios2300]

I love both and will roll for both. 👍

[@Oopsibwokeit]

Don't roll for anything. Ever. When the game ends someday in the hopefully distant future, be the only day 1 account with JUST the starter roll worth of grailed servants, grailed welfare servants, the free SRs and SSRs, and a new world constructed from your unused Saint Quartz.

[@Silvashoots]

Counterpoint: just spend money. It's not real.

[@ALUCARDAN2]

They have different strenghts both are good, Ibuki has more tools for battles removing defensive mods is great. Melusine will be doing ridunkulous damage.

[@Yusei5ds0707]

I like melusine. But i find her ruler form too ridiculous.

[@Rainos62]

go with ibuki. summer melusine is boring especially compared to her lancer counterpart.

[@flareless6713]

She ain't really boring but she ain't great. Melu needs NP3 while Ibuki only needs NP2...tho NP3 is still better. Also Melu ain't a great duel core farmer while Ibuki is still a top pick in JP. Honestly get high NP lvl on Ibuki and then Summer Castoria OR Beast and you can pretty much farm all 90++ nodes.

[@namasteku6329]

What is that servant face in the card of ibuki?

[@bdg42699]

the lilim harlot event assigns certain servants to certain cardsamd they do different effecs: arts: draco, Nemo, Sita, lady avalon, Helena buster: tiamat, Frankenstein, molay quick: setanta, gozen and kama

[@namasteku6329]

The problem for me summer ibuki is just to big and vulgar

[@Lucifia-sama]

weak..

[@LiterallyKirei]

Weak, that’s the exact reason I want her

[@nixxan1354]

Real, makes it hard to open the game in public when a swimsuit servant is my main farmer

[@marupurusaivamsi4802]

Got kama today in 11th pull.

[@holeeshi9959]

Melusine looks better and is not in the way of Skadi and Avalon so yeah waiting it out might be a good idea, not me though, I want both

[@theAnimeBoy16]

Bro she's Melusine. There's no way anyone beats her. I can fkn go 3-1-1 with her on np2. SHE'S THE BEST CHARACTER IN THIS WHOLE GAME AAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHH (Np3 lv120 on NA for lancer, and jp isnt as good, but np2 lv108. In my defense I don't really play jp as much as I do for NA)

[@arjunamcloud3437]

What if I have np4 berserker mushasi

[@figurecollector5796]

I'm in the same situation and I would say that Summer Ibuki is very skippable if you have a high level S. Musashi. I'll get her to level 120 once Anni comes around on NA and we get triple Super and Great chance. However, while I don't need S. Ibuki, 4* Erice Avenger is also on Ibuki's banner and I think she's cute so I will probably roll on the S. Ibuki banner.

[@GS_CCC]

S. ibuki at np1 is way better than a lv 120 np5 Musashi. She can be used to kill a wave, buff allies with high value buffs and cdr, main looper, looper with 2 sups, etc. Good for normal nodes and event nodes with high comp variation While musashi is only a double castoria looper pretty much. If the only thing you need is a new double casgoria looper for 90++ then maybe you won't have a good reason to get Ibuki.

[@figurecollector5796]

@@GS_CCC Obviously, it depends on whether you want to have a better looper for farming. It's true that as of now, S. Ibuki will likely outshine Musashi for farming. But, you do realize that S. Musashi is getting a battery/upgrade eventually coming to NA, right? Plus, S. Musashi is fine for me in challenges and a sometimes farmer. I have others to farm/use so for me, S Ibuki isn't essential. Also, it may not be fruitful to be always chasing the current Meta farmer but everyone's situation and box is different. It's totally good if people want to summon for S. Ibuki because they feel like they need her.

[@GS_CCC]

@@figurecollector5796 no? S. Musashi got an NP upgrade not charge

[@figurecollector5796]

@@GS_CCC You are right. I had her upgrade confused with a different servant upgrade.

[@O530CarrisPT_C2]

Melusine is worse than Ibuki-Douji, in my opinion. I also prefer Kama a bit more than Ibuki and totally over Melusine.

[@000azeva]

Are they not at a very similar level

[@かーい-z9p]

jeez, the lolicons going full force in the comments for their beloved

[@cocacolan1712]

I can respect people going hard for Mel tbh, pretty sure Ibuki is better tho.

[@espurrseyes42]

@@cocacolan1712 She is. Only thing Mel can potentially have over her is a functional 100% Battery with her 80 and A2 to allow for easier Super BG setups on irregular Nodes. How often that actually comes up tho, I don't know.

[@BioMatic2]

I already thought too much about this and aniversary and made a couple of impulse spendings. Now im gonna stick to my plan. try for konyanskaya on assassins 2 summon Summer Ibuki because i dont have any AoE berserk or any looper for that matter and i really like Ibukis desing in general. summon castoria later this year. if lucky in the gssr summon saber Musashi, if not go for Koyanskaya. After that im gonna hoard like motherfucker until draco. thats the plan and im gonna stick to it

[@Byssbod]

Well she's a lot hotter so maybe?

[@FilthyGutturals]

You think children are hot? sus man

[@cain7627]

@@FilthyGutturals bold of you to assume he was talking about melusine lol

[@FilthyGutturals]

@@cain7627 Well the title is "Does Melusine invalidate Ibuki" so I assume he was lol

[@hahalery]

didn't know there's only 1 character in the title

[@FilthyGutturals]

@@hahalery There isn't? lmao. But clearly he's talking about Melusine because of what the title is you clown xD