Does Mephiles have a future?

[@michaelhernandez1841]

There is no future for him, ever

[@Damonkebarae]

No… I want him… to EXIST

[@Blueblur-06]

I have some wild thoughts that make it so he could exist. Maybe once, maybe twice, but he'll definitely return, if I can get a job at Nintendo, or my backup, Sega.

[@DatBoiHowizy]

You guys are so boring yall just suck

[@Damonkebarae]

@@DatBoiHowizy >:/

[@DatBoiHowizy]

@@Damonkebarae not u guys my bad I’m talkin about SAGA he could’ve lose the fight and still made it out like say he slips away and doesn’t get trapped

[@redjirachi1]

I think Mephiles would be a good choice for a villain of a Silver spin-off. I can see Mephiles' goals and desires changing because given he's aware of being removed from the timeline, destroying all of time would probably be less appealing

[@cadeshanley218]

Or another Shadow spin-off since Mephiles represents Shadow's inner demon.

[@loganbreau882]

Probably wouldn’t be so bad if literally everything was in the Void. Basically he’s the only living thing in the Void right now. Maybe somewhere Iblis exists in there, but can’t say for sure because we literally never see them. So imagine from Sonic 06 till Generations having literally nobody to interact with.

[@loganbreau882]

I’ve come back to this and yeah Iblis doesn’t exist in the Void. It was killed before Mephilis existed, creating his paradox that sent him to the Void. Meanwhile Iblis was saved from erasure because of Blaze. Unfortunately for Iblis though it’s such a small fragment and Time has seemingly erased any sentience it had.

[@black-redpill3]

The most tragic thing about Mephiles is that "I want to exist" is a double entendre. He can't exist if he chooses to allow Solaris to.

[@Black_Savage_God]

Well he is Solaris so he would still technically exist but I get what you saying although whose to say Solaris could probably split himself back into iblis and mephiles it was never stated that he couldn't so that's just an idea

[@Unknown_Creature244]

​@@Black_Savage_GodTheoretically, if Mephiles escapes the White Space, he CAN return to his plan of becoming Solaris again. Maybe, unlike Mephiles, Iblis was still there after Solaris' defeat. Maybe Iblis is still inside of Blaze's soul after her sacrifice in 06. I think it's nice conception of bringing back Mephiles as a villain, and Blaze as a relevant character.

[@Takt.mp4]

“There’s no future for you. EVER.”

[@isam_paps]

Yeah he wont have kids...

[@Shadow-Joop-157]

If Sega decides to bring back Mephiles then I don't think they will bring him back like characters like Metal Sonic or the Deadly Six, they are characters that will be brought back again and again. mephiles on the other hand is probably going to be a really big deal with special trailers and a lot of marketing and merchandise, and probably in a more story focused game

[@gadget8637]

Fun fact. A recent interview with sonic team revealed that they're considering remaking Sonic 06

[@arbetor12]

I honestly wouldn't mind that. Just as long as they do what they've been doing recently in terms of game production

[@An0therBurner94]

If, and this is a BIG IF, Sonic Team does decide to bring Mephiles back... I envision it being a scenario where he's got to be a proper final boss, but he still wouldn't be this constant entity as a result. There could be a potential ideal of them using some "Thanks to Black Doom's influences in White Space, somehow the barriers of time keeping Mephiles away are now weak enough for him to break through", and he bides his time by lurking, absorbing shadows to give himself more power since absorbing the Shadow of Shadow was enough to prevent his first resealing attempt. Is it retreading the Black Doom story of "Now he's back, he returned from oblivion"? Yes, that will always be how seemingly confirmed dead villains returning works. Admittedly I think it would need some genuinely worthwhile stakes for Mephiles to carry that energy of the past, and for it to work, we basically pull some "all dimensions and fractured timelines are forcibly merged in this destructive web of time", leaving us with this new world. It would potentially be interesting, but it would be a very risky task with likely polarizing results

[@ricardator1023]

One way i would have brought him back would be with the time stones or the phantom ruby, or actually both at the same time, or mephiles somehow after his defeat finds the phantom ruby in the future and uses it to maybe not restore the timeline but only himself, after he gets defeated he gets erased... Again

[@ggtragicsansbro6495]

It could also help them explain how the hell is everything canon now

[@kickitoldskool]

Mephiles has been making appearances in mobile games like Sonic Runners, Dash, and Forces Speed Battle for years.

[@mariobroultimate1808]

Those are non-canon with no story role.

[@syweb2]

​@@mariobroultimate1808 The video already covered that point.

[@mariobroultimate1808]

@@syweb2 I know. I'm responding to this comment. Not the video.

[@syweb2]

@mariobroultimate1808 Your reply is redundant, since the original comment is clarifying on a point the video itself made. The video said that they could bring Mephiles back in spinoffs without any story explanation, and the comment answered that they were already doing that. Pointing out that they have no canonical relevance is redundant due to already being a core part of the point being discussed.

[@mariobroultimate1808]

@@syweb2 When the video said they can bring Mephiles back in non canon spinoffs, the spinoffs this comment mentioned are what the video was referring to.

[@sir-mass3909]

A way Mephiles could return is actually a rather simple one. A small update to Shadow generations where, after fighting Mephiles, if you idle for long enough then your shadow will start to reshape a bit. Essentially, a small update that changes Shadows Shadow only when he stands still for long enough, which is a way of confirming that Mephiles followed Shadow into whitespace through his shadow. An easy way to explain it that works well and still allows for his return.

[@Falconii2]

I think Sega chose to bring Mephiles back in Shadow Gens so they could see how the public would react. Considering how everyone loved it, I think our existence complex boy might have a future, but only Ian Flynn can say.

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

Project 06 still has something to say about this guy.

[@MrGamer07100]

I think it’s pretty clear Mephiles returned in Shadow Generations because he’s realistically more popular than Infinite from Sonic Forces. He’s much more memorably impactful whereas Infinite was poorly wasted. And it threw us off guard how his fight was represented in a meaningful way in the lore beyond just he’s back for fan service. I think we’re lucky he came back at all. And I’m content with that. Is Sega ready to bring back deeper continuity stories in the forefront definitively going forward? I mean it’s nice to see some continuity effort again for sure. But I don’t want them to rely on the past constantly either if it means screwing with logic. I mean I know we’re talking about a fictional anything can happen franchise. But you said it yourself the cost of what makes a character so good coming back just because. And I definitely agree about them potentially ruining the surprise factor for his return in Shadow Generations. I really don’t go out of my way to see what they added for the game, but the marketing blew up the reveal what’s in store for the game. While it’s good for hype interest, it just would have been better if discovered in game.

[@AdamSelvig]

Not really the reason why it’s due to the time eater messing around in time where as Eggman said that he used the time eater to undo his defeats so this means that somehow the time eater was able to undo mephiles’ being erased from existence after Elise blew out solaris’ flame

[@MrGamer07100]

@That’s the game’s way of explaining popularity for Mephiles return.

[@Goobywoobygoo]

@@MrGamer07100Infinite can come back in any context, this way the only context that Mephiles could come back.

[@MrGamer07100]

@ I mean nobody ever thought Gun Commander and Black Doom would retuned in a redeemably meaningful way. So I wouldn’t put it past them. But I’m not counting down the days for that to happen. Lol

[@Raincloud5137]

Both characters were wasted, Mephiles was in one of the worst sonic games ever made and Infinite was written by the worst writter in this franchise's history. The reason why Mephiles was chosen over Infinite was that this would be the last time we would ever see him, this time rift is the only way an encounter with him would be possible, while Infinite can still come back at any time. Another reason would be due to the fact that Shadow at this point in the timeline wouldn't be able to defeat Infinite in case he was in the game, and there is also the factor that Shadow would have to remember infinite in sonic forces since shadow gens happened before Forces, Infinite would just make things much more complicated.

[@SerenitySpiderMonkey]

Robbie Daymond's performance as Mephiles was chef's kiss. It really got me to sympathize with him. I really want him to come back again in a bigger role

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

He was no Dan Green but he did do a great job

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

I think Mephilis deserves to exist, not for pity, but for what a recurring true force of nature villain would bring to the franchise that Eggman doesn't. They will need to have an extremely strong reason for his return

[@glauberlopes1779]

Mephiles would never be the same after what happened to him. He received exactly what he wanted to do with the rest of the univers, and that would have happened if he had won, for more irony. He would still try everything to make Sonic and the others' lives hell, but if someone tried to destroy everything, he would swallow his pride and hatred and make a truce until everything was resolved, even if only to avoid going back to that hell.

[@Kewuasa.Youkou]

​@@glauberlopes1779🤩 Entonces se podría redimir

[@GR33ND3MON]

He better be the villain in the 6th Sonic Movie(due to the game title).

[@Chrno34]

There is a strong possibility of Mephiles returning in the future since Sonic Team(through Ian Flynn) confirmed that Iblis is still sealed with Blaze's soul in the main timeline. As long as that's the case, we may very well since Mephiles (and Solaris) making a comeback in a future title.

[@33pandagamer]

When I heard Mephiles' desperation for wanting to exist again, it really stuck to me. I feel bad for him. I want him to exist too.

[@squee-g1658]

Bringing Mephiles back as some type of demon in a sequel to black knight would be interesting and fun Have an Infinite break his seal because he reminds rumors that the being inside the scepter will grant power. Then the knights of the round table would have to deal with it

[@justinpritt7897]

For me, i think it'll be cool if mephiles showed up in the movie universe.

[@kewuasaYoukou]

Pero no va a ser así😔

[@AtlasTorment]

I'd love for Mephiles to come back. He's my favorite Sonic villain. But as much as I want it to happen, I don't think Sega will do it. Shadow Generations is probably the last we will ever see of him

[@McGillicuddy849]

imagine Mephiles in one of the Sonic movies, i mean they already have Iblis

[@dirtypms]

"The flames of disASTEr!!!"

[@trragnarokgoijrusvexious9075]

Wait what-

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Oh god. The shippers will go wild considering who Iblis is linked to in the movies.

[@dirtypms]

@@Drums_of_Liberation I ship Mephonic... Mephiles literally penetrated Sonic. He took that boi from behind, too. 🤣

[@dirtypms]

@@Drums_of_Liberation yup...

[@DJBurns-jq8mn]

Here's an idea, Shadow opened the boss gate hidden away. They can use that to say that despite the timeline being restored the stuff Shadow or even Sonic did in whitespace left some changes or leftovers that were kept around. Eggman was also manipulating the timeline and BlackDoom was shown to manipulate the whitespace. What I'm saying is that the timeline doesn't necessarily of had to of been fixed fully (think of the Archie Sonic Comic reboot storyline). It did let Sonic and Co remember Classic Sonic after all and the Phantom Ruby also did damage to the timeline with Classic Sonic so there is the story of the timeline still not fully restored. So Mephiles can use his natural time manipulation abilities to take advantage of that.

[@WeirdguyKruckly]

I would really love to see a remaster of Sonic 06 with how great the story's potential in that game and how the gameplay nowadays keep getting better and better

[@reeceemms1643]

You got to remember Mephiles is a time God I think as of right now he's just not got all his strength as he's currently trapped in some type of purgatory and he needs to get out of it before he can regain full power and restore himself to the timeline. Then it depends on what he does next which will possibly be trying to somehow restore Iblis and keep failing. It would possibly be interesting if they have a slight side of tragedy for Mephiles, all he wants is to just become Solaris once again but he can't. And one of his actual ways could be trying to recreate the events from the 06 timeline, seeing if somehow that could revive Iblis though realising that he can't. Then when that fails his next motive is then trying to basically rebuild the timeline to the best of his ability but realises that he is not strong enough to do it. Then finally his final motive is to attempt to make an amalgamation of Iblis which works though is very volatile. But it is enough for him to become Solaris, though it is then revealed by either Tails or Robotnik that this version of Solaris is unstable and if they do not stop it then it will implode and then explode taking all time with it. Sonic, Shadow, and Silver then have to defeat the unstable Solaris though it is slightly stronger than before. But ultimately they defeat him and reduce Mephiles back into his base form. Then when Mephiles states that he wanted to become whole again, Sonic will then say that its impossible telling him that no matter what he tries he'll be unable to as it will always fail. Then finally Sonic tells Mephiles that he needs to move on. Then as Mephiles thinks about it there is a moment at the end where possibly due to what Mephiles had been doing all of time is at threat and they need to fix the time space rupture that Mephiles possibly caused before it ripped apart time. It will be here were Mephiles tells them to get out whilst he stays behind to fix his damage closing the time space rupture which ultimately seals him once again into his purgatory this time accepting it as his banishment. I think this could actually bring on a lot of good messages of redemption and moving on. Possibly they could also do it as a type of apology for 06 or try and make it as a way to redeem Sonic 06. Though more likely the apology letter. This is something else. As part of the story they bring back Elise, with Mephiles either using his powers to influence Robotnik into kidnapping her since that is what happened in the 06 timeline and he needs to have that recreated. As he recalls Sonic saving her multiple times and expects that to happen this time however. During Sonic's mission to save her he meets this Prince character who has heard of Elise getting captured and is on his way to save her. Sonic agrees to let the Prince help and after saving Elise it's revealed that the Prince is actually Elise's fiancé. This could be a character a drummed up called Prince Kyiden for a story. Either way this completely throws a spanner into Mephiles plan as it revolved around Sonic and Elise forming an attachment and now that is impossible. This possibly results in Mephiles revealing himself by accident and having a boss fight with Sonic which then during it Shadow shows up and helps with Mephiles retreating. It is possibly that which results in Mephiles going to his timeline recreation plan.

[@TheSFMWonderer]

I think if they were to bring him back, it’d be like how Bill Cipher was brought back in Book of Bill, have him in a situation where his power doesn’t mean anything, and have him rely on desperate manipulation through a book or something.

[@keystone5750]

Honestly my goat comes back. I think they have a really easy setup for him considering the fact that he's lived in white space for however many years. So how does he get out? Same way the Eggmans would, presumably. What if they found the Scepter of Darkness and tapped into its powers to get out, accidentally bringing it back with them? Mephiles being reintroduced to the cast also means he would get a chance to be his old manipulative self (which I would really like to see Robbie Daymond take a crack at). He could tell the main cast that the Sonic, Shadow, and Silver of His World were responsible for his timeline getting erased, which technically wouldn't even be a lie! Interesting that you bring up Infinite though, I remember hearing that he hasn't been mentioned in the comics since the VERY beginning of the IDW run...and that Mephiles was in a similar position in the Archie comics. Infinite may be the same case.

[@Evil_Florida]

Idk man, seeing Memphis on a go cart or something would definitely lessen him because it’s so fucking silly

[@kerryelliott5767]

I felt so bad for mephiles

[@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed]

I hope so. That way, Sonic can return the favor and murder Mephiles back.

[@megaman37456]

Mephiles is literally immortal though.

[@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed]

@ That’s cope

[@megaman37456]

@@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed No. he is literally immortal, he's one half of a multiversal chaotic time god, he literally cannot be killed or die.

[@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed]

@ Yet he got erased from existence and now doesn’t exist at all. Definitely not immortal.

[@megaman37456]

@@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed Except he DOES still exist, he exists outside of space/time. Basically a void of nothingness, but he's still alive.

[@jarlathburns1184]

I dont think it makes sense for Mephiles to return without Iblis. Mephiles IS Solaris so it doesn't make sense for him to have any other motivation than to merge with Iblis again

[@MrAppleSalad]

Fun fact, it was confirmed that a version of Iblis still exists inside of Blaze. After she sealed it away and sacrificed herself she ended up sent across space and flung into the Sol Dimension, and after the Solaris Reset she was reborn as a denizen of that dimension. She doesn't KNOW that she has Iblis inside of her, but she does. I suppose there is also the Ifrit, plus lots of other big scary monsters that Mephiles totally could fuse with if he couldn't find Iblis.

[@jarlathburns1184]

@@MrAppleSalad That's cool I had no idea. Even so you'd need to do a lot of contrivance to arrange the return of both Mephiles and Iblis. I love Mephiles but I think he's just too intertwined with the plot of 06 to function well outside of it

[@aceblaz5502]

​​@MrAppleSalad wait... are you suggesting Sonic Rush canonically takes place AFTER '06? Nah, cuz that would totally make so much sense, it even gives Burning Blaze a proper origin!

[@MrAppleSalad]

@@aceblaz5502 Take a look again at the scene where Blaze sacrifices herself at the end of 06, it's actually a pretty genius piece of connective storytelling. She tells Silver to seal her in another dimension, and when she turns transparent you can see the cuffs of her shoes change colour for a split second as she fades away. That's the same coloration as Burning Blaze, and the choice of the word "Dimension" is not a coincidence. Maekawa, the writer for 06, even directly confirmed that this was the intention. They wanted to connect Blaze's story in 06 with her appearance in Rush, though unfortunately a lot of the things they had planned were scrapped due to time constraints so Blaze ended up being pretty half-baked in the final release. Still, that last scene is brilliantly done, and yet people still argue over Blaze's origin when it's so clearly laid out for us.

[@justice8718]

So Blaze is basically Silver’s Elise. That’s tragically adorable. I wonder if Infinite is planned to be Sonic’s Iblis/Mephiles.

[@JT_Toons]

Mephiles can try to exist with the phantom ruby. By influencing infinite as his protege

[@RALYC_GAMING]

Mephiles was a huge threat in Sonic '06, and would be hard to allow him to continue to exist in the main timeline without being such an obvious threat the everything. But you need to remember Mephiles only posed such a big threat when paired with Iblis. Mephiles was able to control time but Iblis was the Destroyer. If you brought back mephiles without Iblis you could still portray him as a big threat, but not an all ending one. And given his time based powers, and the face he is aware of his erasure from the timeline, there is the potintial for him to escape the white space beyond time and return. SO yes it is very possible to bring him back in an organic way that makes sense, while also realisticly scaling him back enough to not be an over powered villain for more long term stories.

[@AdachiSimp]

I would love for Mephiles to show up in spin offs, like a Racing game, but be the only one taking it overly seriously, like he knows that he is being pulled from the void just for that party thing and that is his torture, that is his hell

[@PedroSantos-qq5oe]

some things i found neat about where you find his boss gate, is that its placed underground, the arsthetic is different from whats on top of it and also it has a different song playing while youre around that place

[@darklonestar8016]

When shuttle defeats him a bit of his darkness clings on to shadow so that way he may exist in a timeline that he does not and to make sure that he does exceed upon his task to exist when shuttle appears for giving sonic the chaos emerald the darkness that was on shadow Will try to flee and try to mix in with the time eater well, the Eggman’s i’m currently busy upon bickering with one of another. This also would help to explain how they manage to escape I think.

[@UserAndSale]

Funny how Mephiles head comically overshodows the FUTURE text in the thumbnail😂

[@nuraolblast1721]

I would be fine if some moronic but ingenious character manages to create a small rift in the space time quantinium and part of mephiles manages to go through. Mephiles then manipulate and gaslight the character into helping him fully come back to existance and it will take a "long" time (more than one game ?) for Sonic and co to figure out the character's main goal and the identity of what they want to bring onto their world.

[@thodds68]

i feel like saying "mephiles isnt canon" isnt the right word to use since he is still part of the sonic lore, maybe saying he was canonically erased from the timeline is a better explaination

[@ultron2188]

Sonic Game Idea: Game Name: Sonic: Time Terror. Game starts with opening cutscene where Sonic and his friends are getting together like the start of DBZ, then he notices Silver. Sonic asks why Silver is here and Silver says that his city is under terror with an unknown threat, so he’s hoping to stop it early. Then we have the first level with Sonic traversing Green Hill, just like the normal tutorial level, but after this you have an cutscene where Eggman appears infront of the group, with the 7 chaos emeralds, and a new item, a green eye who Eggman explains has more powers than it seems. It powers his new robot, the Egg-Kracken, and he takes on all three of them. As the trio just seems to get an advantage, Eggman decides to use the eyes main power, the ability to transport someone across time, and uses it on Silver and Shadow to transport Silver to the future and Shadow to the past(I took inspiration from the Trio of Past(Shadow), Present(Sonic), and Future(Silver))Now separated from his friends, Sonic is easily beaten by Eggman new robot, but is saved by Tails. You could have Sonic recruit friends across the way, but I would rather focus on the trios story. Now your given the option to choose between past, present, future. Also, in each Era of time, one of Eggmens robots has another green eye with the same abilities(Metal Sonic has the past time’s eye while Infinite has the futures(I think we could explore more of his character and Silver could finally redeem himself from his last fight). Present story would be going through areas classic to the series, fighting Eggman robots and offsprings of the eyes. Since the eyes can travel through time, they could pull things from past enemies, like a water based eye boss based on Chaos, or a Futuristic Mecha Sonic. The final boss for the present would be Egg-Kracken, and Sonic is able to hit the Chaos Emeralds of of the robot. But once he does so, the eye goes out of control. Eggman explains that he used the chaos emeralds to control the eye, and now without them, the eye goes out of control. It was revealed that centuries ago, a monster with three eyes brought chaos to the world, but the Echidna tribe teamed up with others and used the chaos emeralds to separate them, then using the eyes themselves to hide them across time. Sonic is captured by the eye. Now you have to play through the other times(Past and Future) to unlock the final boss. Silver could have many different boss fights because of the phantom ruby, or even Mephiles trying to reclaim his spot in the timeline. Silvers time would be in ruin, and he wouldn’t be as optimistic, as he wasn’t recently, so I think it would be cool for Silver to have a story where he finds his optimism again. They could did into his origin(which I won’t go into), or even his friends in the future. Since Shadow is in the past, you could have him fight more mechanical enemies because of metal, and he could find the ark, with Maria on it. He would be given the choice to stay with Maria and Gerald in this new time or go help Sonic save the present. Of course Shadow eventually picks to help Sonic, saying something like, “my past makes me who I am, I wouldn’t change a thing about it” and then he fights Metal Sonic empowered by the past chaos emeralds and the eye, as the final boss. Silvers final boss would be a monstrous Infinite empowered by the emeralds and eye. Once you defeat the bosses, Gerald helps Shadow go back to the present, while one of Silvers friends helps him go back to the present. Silver and Shadow free Sonic, and save Eggman, who recovered the chaos emeralds from the ruined city infront of them. They use all of the chaos emeralds they earned through the story to turn a more powerful Super form(with long hair similar to Super Saiyan 3). But with them, they brought the eyes, and the eyes merge once again, into the original monster the Echidna faced(the Overbeast) and the trio teams up with Eggman to defeat the monster, destroying the eyes for good. Obviously this is a rough draft but I think it’s very cool and you could have the Overbeast have Black Arms origins.

[@thetruej7872]

What a coincidence. I just beat the Mephiles boss in Shadow Generations

[@Garagelab164]

Could you imagine a year of Silver or Mephiles and you have to beat him as Silver when he fused with his other half.

[@turanksu4033]

honestly if they wanted to make mephiles appear again they could make a sonic 06 remake in the style of ff7 remake where its clear theres some time travel stuff occurring that makes the events not occur the same as the original and use that as an opportunity to change the plot significantly to make it a new game

[@mephilesfan]

mephiles has always been my favourite sonic character, if you take him at face value he’s very one-note but if you take the time to analyse a lot of small things about 06 he quickly becomes one of the most (maybe unintentionally) complex characters in sonic. his story and the solaris project have a lot of themes that aren’t able to explored through other characters (very religious lore) and so i really like him. i think bringing him back would have to be done very carefully but it could definitely be pulled off. his new characterisation in sxsg gives him a new layer and i think it’d be pretty cool to explore that. but at the end of the day this is still sega, and despite their new polish i’m not sure theyd be able to pull it off well enough sadly

[@henrymalloy1344]

In my opinion mephiles doesn’t need to return (but it would be cool if he did), but I did have an few ideas how he could come back: he may look like a hedgehog but he is as slippery as a snake, so it’s not hard to believe he could have somehow escaped when the time eater was destroyed. Another idea is that he’s just so powerful that he just breaks into the timeline by force, but it’s a timeline without iblis for him to merge with. him being a godlike being that will always somehow return would be cool but ultimately if they bring him back it should be his final time as a main villain and any other appearances would just be cameos. There is one other scenario where him being back makes sense, which is if silver ever gets something like shadow generations

[@AlmondMilkLake]

I read somewhere that it was confirmed that a part of Iblis still lives inside of Blaze to this day canonically, as it was taken with her to Sol dimension, meaning the timeline being erased didn't actually affect her and the Iblis she sealed within herself, this could also explain why she recognized Crisis City, maybe to Blaze 06 was like a foggy dream rather than just never happening? so for her it did happen but she may not think it was real, she vaguely remembers Crisis City, but not Silver or the actual events that happened. Also, the things i will say next are all merely speculation but i think Sega could potentially cleanup the 06 lore and timeline with something like this: so basically Blaze existing in Silver's future made no sense right? it couldn't happen before Sonic Rush, so what if the events for her went more like, Sonic Rush -> Sonic 06 -> Sonic Rush Adventure, having 06 in-between could work with this theory i'll explain next, so maybe Sega could set Solaris to be the Sol dimension parallel to what Chaos is to Sonic's dimension, they could claim that it was released into Sonic's dimension when Blaze used the Sol Emeralds at the end of Sonic Rush, then Soleanna found it as "The Flame of Hope" (being a time god Solaris could've inserted itself in that point in time of Sonic's dimension) and they began experimenting with it, but their logic was flawed in using the Chaos Emeralds to control a being from another dimension, which requiered the Sol Emeralds instead, this could explain Solaris becoming unstable so violently as response to energy from the Chaos Emeralds, and that's how everything we saw when Shadow and Sillver went to the past happened, so maybe for Blaze at the end of Sonic Rush instead of being sent back to Sol dimension she was sent to Silver's future, as the events that lead to it where indirectly her fault, this theory could also explain why Blaze was helping Silver out instead of being at Sol dimension and why it was so easy for Blaze to seal Iblis within herself while Silver couldn't, she's Sonic's equivalent from the Sol dimension after all, so maybe it was her purpose for being on the future to begin with, seal Iblis back into Sol dimension even if within herself (she'd basically have the same curse as Elise, but she's already pretty stoic tbh so she'd have less trouble keeping it under control). I know it's not a perfect theory of course, but if it was more elaborated and properly excecuted it could be a near perfect way to fix these major plot holes on 06 without ruining Blaze's character (like the other theory that claims 06 happened before Rush), or at the very least, it could fully explain why Blaze was there to begin with and give a proper backstory to Solaris' existence. This could even lead to a reboot of 06, where Blaze is replacing Elise's role (so we get rid of all the dumb romance and the infamous kiss scene that make it so controversial), the events play put relatively the same but in a new setting instead of Soleanna (maybe we go back to Sol dimension?) Mephiles has a much better plan this time to free Iblis from Blaze without making the same mistakes that lead to him being deleted from the timeline in the first place, and also actively seeks revenge on the 3 Hedgehogs for messing up his original plans, and we finally give both Blaze and Silver the relevance they desperately need while bringing back Mephiles in full glory on a better game.

[@espinoth9913]

Eggman seems to like messing with time a lot, between 06, CD, Rivals 2, Gens, and a bunch of comic plots. Mephiles could reemerge when he does it again... Or maybe, hear me out: _Sonic Rush 3._ Eggman Nega is Eggman's grandson, yet he keeps appearing in the present timeframe, which means he's time travelling as well. This gives the possibility of Mephiles coming back, within the Sol Dimension. Blaze's home. Both her and the Sol Emeralds have inherent connections to fire. So does Mephiles, given Solaris was Soleanna's 'eternal flame', and his other half in Iblis was known as the Flames of Disaster. And Iblis was sealed inside of Blaze at the end of Silver's story in '06. Even if the Rush games' Blaze isn't the same as '06 Blaze, Sonic Team could almost certainly come up with a reason for Mephiles to actively pursue her or the Sol Emeralds.

[@Darth_Melek]

Well I think there’s one way to bring Mephalis back. He only needs to get one piece of himself back into the timeline to exist right? He can easily pretend to lose while actually riding on Shadow’s back, slowly rebuilding himself and whispering in people’s ears.

[@Xexdex]

movie version of mephiles would go fire tho

[@goldenascension8635]

Didn't the Knuckles series indirectly confirm at least Iblis existing in the mcu of Sonic?

[@Xexdex]

@goldenascension8635 idk didn't watch it but if there is that means silver will probably appear and same for mephiles hear me out on a post credit scene it slowly zooms in a ruined place and we see scepter of darkness

[@hamstergod9525]

For me the explanation for why shadow went to chaos island and Sonic’s version of kingdom valley is because this is Sonic’s past and future, not shadows

[@jayenlow1191]

I like to think of his final plea to exist is a meta way of Sonic 06 itself begging fans to remember it, don't write it off as that one thing that happened but you don't like to talk about. It reminds me of this one joke from Bleach S Abridged with Jean Kariya mad that Ichigo has no idea who he cause the viewers skipped his filler arc. Also you can look at him not even appearing in the fun side games as part of him not existing, tho in that case it was real nice seeing ya one last time Mel.

[@jakeblancaster8498]

Honestly, I'd give Mephiles the Phantom Ruby to try to make Mephiles the best last-minute twist villain he could be.

[@justice8718]

The Ruby was created under his influence.

[@atari9477]

I really liked his rainbowish spear blade, i wish he spammed that move more. Like multiple spear pillars coming out the ground

[@randomcenturion7264]

"Welcome to Tilted Towers"

[@UserAndSale]

"There's no future for you, EVER."

[@camera_man115]

The best way for them to bring him back is using the fact shadow interacted with him so he does have a memory of mephalis like take a page out of doctor who for bringing him back

[@supersaiyanfox9190]

I think the best thing that could happen if Mephiles gets restored to the timeline is if he ultimately wins in the next game. And then, the next-next game would be a continuation for how to defeat him and fix the main Sonic universe. Basically Mephiles would be like Thanos and would win in the first game, just like Thanos did in Infinity War. But then, the heroes would make a comeback in the second game and defeat Mephiles, just like how the Avengers restored the population of the entire universe and defeated Thanos in Endgame.

[@Laughwithmelol]

And he was outside of time and space, or in a dimension were past present and future met as one so even though he’s from a deleted timeline, he survive because he wasn’t in the timeline

[@TheDesignerdogz]

Mephiles would be cool in a silver generations

[@shockfoxy921]

Dude of course he was brought back here, when else would they get the opportunity, despite how it seems the events this game isn't actually time travel cus it's actually outside of time which is like the only setting mephiles could return in due to his in universe retcon

[@glitchedgamerz]

6:40 I don't what's up with my settings then, but I can hear every last line with the music playing quite clearly. Maybe you have the Music set up too high or something, but my default settings work fine with hearing his lines.

[@33pandagamer]

Some remit of Mephiles must exist for him to be pulled into white space. The Time Eater doesn't create things, it pulls things in and devours them. So for Crisis City to be in White Space, for Mephiles to be in White Space, some small piece of them must exist. The question is where did it come from? And in that manner, where did the Time Eater come from? I hope they explore this in a future game.

[@henrymalloy1344]

Probably whatever is left of 06’s timeline

[@Lunacorva]

Having Mephiles return won't cheapen him so long as the return has the same level of impact as 06 did. Mephiles needs to be a special event kind of villain. The nuclear option of villains.

[@RidersDX]

Totally agree!

[@yall_girl_eve]

Infinite comes back and recanons mephiles, they fuse to form a messed up imperfect version of solaria

[@brunafcf9910]

Personally, I think Mephiles would look great in a hypothetical future Silver game. Since, just like with Shadow, they kind of had a dynamic, with it being Mephiles who made Silver start this whole time travel thing by manipulating him. So it kind of makes a little sense for them to meet and confront each other, kind of to show a difference in Time-lines, metaphorically.

[@lightningboy7099]

A part of me doesn't want Mephelis to come back. He was an amazing villain and bringing him back for a 3rd time feels like Mephelis wouldn't be as impactful

[@SpaceDoggoWithCheese]

I just realized... one of his attacks in the bossight is tilting towers... he got too tilted at the towers...

[@celestehernandez3263]

Now he’s here because silver said “he broke through” and living in their world 🌍 (silver channel)

[@sandwichguy2589]

Considering white space existed after Sonic and friends left the egg men trapped their if Mephiles was trapped in white space after Shadow Generations they could use that as a way of bringing him back in future games

[@Fang1st]

Well, if I remember correctly, the head of Shadow Generations said he wanted to go back and make a new Sonic 06 remake, so there may be hope for them to bring Mephiles back. I'm just hoping they redeem Infinite as well at the moment, given how Forces screwed him over, lol.

[@hatbros4463]

A sonic 06 reimagine would probably be cool

[@njfox3305]

I already went over a possible story with Mephiles returning I'm not going over it again its terrable.

[@kylecoleman5166]

10:37 Allegedly? What do you mean, allegedly? There are several videos that show you the explanation. It's definitely well documented at this point.

[@dragonborn7955]

He ain't coming back. The death of the Time Eater undid everything.

[@1DAR26]

12:10 - 12:15 definitely did not age well lol. A remake of the game is something they may consider doing as confirmed recently.

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Pretty Shadow already answered this question.

[@Fayzos_29]

he could return if silver got a game cause mephiles was tied in with silver's story

[@kiffley]

If he does exist again it might not be too hard. He was powerful enough to not be in shadows vape when he got sent out of time. So it wouldn’t be too hard to just make him like hide in shadows shadow until the game ended

[@ayubnor9877]

Idea of a new Sonic game: Sonic and the return of Solaris. Developer: Sonic Team Publisher: Sega Director: Morio Kishimoto Producers: Shun Nakamura, Takashi Iizuka Executive Producers: Haruki Satomi, Yukio Sugino, Shuji Utsumi, Osamu Ohashi Designers: Morio Kishimoto, Junpei Ootsu Programmer: Hiroki Tokunaga Artists: Sachiko Kawamura, Yoshitaka Miura Writers: Shun Nakamura (Story), Kiyoko Yoshimura (Scenario and Original Dialogue Writer), Shiro Maekawa (Scenario and Original Dialogue Writer) Warren Graff (English adaptor), Ken Pontac (English adaptor), Ian Flynn (English adaptor) Composers: Cash Cash, Crush 40, Yasufumi Fukuda, Naofumi Hataya, Richard Jacques, Yutaka Minobe, Tomoya Ohtani, Jun Senoue, Kenichi Tokoi Engine: Hedgehog Engine 2 Casts: Sonic: Roger Craig Smith (English) Jun'ichi Kanemaru (Japanese) Tails: Kate Higgins (English) Ryō Hirohashi (Japanese) Knuckles: Travis Willingham (English) Nobutoshi Canna (Japanese) Amy: Cindy Robinson (English) Taeko Kawata (Japanese) Cream: Cream (English) Sayaka Aoki (Japanese) Vector: Keith Silverstein (English) Kenta Miyake (Japanese) Espio: Matthew Mercer (English) Yūki Masuda (Japanese) Charmy: Colleen O'Shaughnessey (English) Yōko Teppōzuka (Japanese) Shadow: Kirk Thornton (English) Kōji Yusa (Japanese) Rouge: Karen Strassman (English) Rumi Ochiai (Japanese) Omega: Aaron LaPlante (English) Taiten Kusunoki (Japanese) Silver: Bryce Papenbrook (English) Daisuke Ono (Japanese) Blaze: Erica Lindbeck (English) Nao Takamori (Japanese) Mephiles: Robbie Daymond (English) Takayuki Sakazume (Japanese) Iblis: ??? Eggman: Mike Pollock (English) Kotaro Nakamura (Japanese) Orbot: Kirk Thornton (English) Mitsuo Iwata (Japanese) Cubot: Wally Wingert (English) Wataru Takagi (Japanese) In this game Sonic finally interacts Mephiles. Story Sonic Story Shadow Story Silver Story Last Story

[@JoesMama-ci3yl]

0:07 DAYUM

[@neerajoshi5473]

I really hope in the movie universe mephiles becomes like the final boss of the movie universe. I hope he is Thanos or dark side of the sonic movie universe

[@the_ej1970]

crisis city's there in the og and has iblis i kind of want infinite as a boss along with some mania stuff in sonic x shadow generations

[@BlackSilenceMusic]

I think Mephiles is a cool villain despite debuting in a broken game with a badly written story, but as cool as his return in Shadow Generations is, I think it should be a one time thing. Yes Shadow was intended to die in SA2 and got brought back because of popularity, but at least with him they could just say "oh yeah he actually survived the fall somehow" since we never actually see his body hit the ground (which in his game it was explained that Eggman saved him with one of his robots, which I think makes sense regardless of the reasoning Sonic Team had for bringing him back). Mephiles' entire creation was erased from the timeline, so outside the context of Sonic/Shadow Generations' story it wouldn't make sense for him to come back in future games unless they, like you said, made a remake of Sonic 06 that also decided to reimagine the story in a way that it would make sense for Mephiles to be in future games. I think its better that they just leave it as it is tho. It goes to show just how dangerous he is if he's not even allowed to exist, as well as just how hard the universe is tryna keep his existence buried in the void (its also harrowing and existential-crisis inducing but its not like he don't deserve it) lol.

[@isam_paps]

mephiles is kinda like a exe character made by sega it self also i heard that shadow generations devs are willing to make a 06 remake

[@spritvio639]

Probably not aside from maybe small cameos.

[@Stevenkadap98]

Mephiles should return

[@crossfire34]

Mephiles has a future if Sega thinks he'll bring in more money. It's all about the money, people. Never forget that.

[@stubaka3175]

Mephiles already is in spin-off games, just the bad Mobile ones

[@LittleRaven-fc2dp]

I’ll have to write this down

[@TsuriaDragon]

short answer NO if Sega doesn't care for their side characters why would they ever think about villains?

[@Sebo994]

Him not coming back is what made him so powerful and evil. If you make him like a zavok or eggman then he’s just cringe. He should never come back despite how great he was

[@edydanneal4717]

Memphis Tennessee

[@Acidicstudios]

I mean, how can Shadow remember something that doesn't exist? ¯\(°uo)/¯

[@Samgideon5]

For me Mephiles is to Shadow what Metal Sonic is to Sonic

[@infinitydragon3831]

It Mephiles comes back as a villain then hyper forms should come back also

[@megaman37456]

Would be nice if SEGA just remade Sonic 06 but as a good game, maybe for 2026 and call it Sonic 26.

[@SpiraSpino]

Who is Mephiles i seem to not remember

[@Laughwithmelol]

I think will be closer to 16 or 17 years not 20

[@prismaticseal2553]

Sega could of just hired the project 06 guy, repack the games and sell them in modern consoles and voila, the 06 game is revived, they put little to no investment on it and the guy can profit off his work, if they did invest in the game then it could be even better

[@DeviIGundam]

12:10 Oh my friend how wrong you are!

[@titanbro1119]

Welcome to tilted towers

[@domoru5264]

Ugh I’m glad there’s a mod that fixes Mephiles’ voice I hate the new voice