Does Size Matter? |impression size|

[@soniacox9671]

You guys are amazing. Thank you so much for sharing this information. I never got this in-depth in my trainings. I can't thank you enough for sharing this content.

[@scalp_logic]

Our passion and pleasure! Thanks for watching :)

[@stephenagnew670]

I totally agree just had my 2nd session an they are using single needle impressions an it does take plenty of time but it does look really good so listen to the advice

[@PhillipRauschkolb]

It's amazing, this video is 3 years old and there still seems to be no other US practitioners doing this type of work

[@scalp_logic]

@@PhillipRauschkolb Agreed, baffles me. There are definitely artists around the world offering the subtle realism, but very few to none in the US.

[@MrKzane]

If you know your needle depth, hand pressure and are using a good machine, a 3 liner does an amazing job. A super tight 5 liner works as well, at least for the scalp. As long as you are experienced, blowouts will not be an issue, and the actual impressions won't be that much different from a single needle. It's alot easier on the client and stays longer. I've been tattooing 35 years and this is just my opinion. All the best!!!

[@scalp_logic]

@@MrKzane I was with you until you mentioned a 5 liner works as well. I disagree on that. Everything else I agree with. Impressions should be the exact same size as shaved hair follicles, not almost the same size and not a little bigger. To make the treatment pass as real, the impressions must be same as hair follicles or smaller. There are many different ways to do it, which makes it fun and all artists will give their own interpretation. That is art :) Wow, 35 years is a lifetime of experience! A true artist 🙌

[@MrKzane]

@scalp_logic I know what you mean about 5's. I mean a tight 5 liner, but you make a good point about making sure the shape imitates the hair follicle itself. Point well taken and thank you!

[@sreejeetnambiar]

I am watching this video for the 2nd time. So much of information. Thank you Joe and Nichol. 🙏

[@scalp_logic]

We really went in full on this one! Thanks for the support Sreejeet, I’m glad you found value 💯 😀

[@sreejeetnambiar]

@@scalp_logic Love your work so much!!

[@scalp_logic]

@@sreejeetnambiar Your work is starting to look like our work over there sir 😁

[@CHUNKYNUGGET666]

Also a tattooist question here, what size needles do you use, this is pretty important? 8, 10 , 12? Long taper, short taper, tight or loose? Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but I’m sure a lot of ppl don’t even know about needle size differences, there’s so many needle variations now days! 🙏

[@Alejandro218]

It sucks that they didn’t answer such an important question. I am also a tattoo artist and they need to explain the difference between needle. That is why I think that your question is super important.

[@meredithmcmurray7733]

@@Alejandro218still no reply? Bummer.

[@TheShopGrandOpening]

Body art tattoo and SMP completely different in every way, from the equipment used, pigment inks, needles, pre/post-after care, even down to the licensing, certification, courses and training. They can answer your question, but even the terminology would be different. I'm no tattoo artist or SMP artist myself, but it's common sense - you as a tattoo artist would be dealing with art of multiple colors, shapes, sizes, skin depths, shading, coloring, scratching, lines, blending, contrasting, pulling/pushing against the skin or whatever it is you do.....while an SMP artist is dotting I would imagine only a shallow layer of pigment exclusively in the scalp area to naturally and closely replicate human hair follicle. I'm pretty sure you can't find SMP needles at your tattoo supply dealer shop even if your question was technically answered. This is not just some skill you can immediately start tomorrow and do on any client even with years of experience using 8, 10, 12, long taper, short taper, tight taper, loose taper needles. , so stop trying to be an inquiring mind to think you need to know the correct needle size........there's already plenty of botched jobs floating around of ink helmets and swim caps because people thought to go the cheap route and get SMP done by tattoo artists. Do you see SMP artists doing tattoos? Pretty sure you don't. If it's that important you want to know every needle size, go to SMP school, stop taking shortcuts. And if you even watched the video, they clearly illustrated a 3RL needle and a 1RL, and even so, I bet you still have no clue what in the heck they're talking about. Smh.

[@vokarews6376]

Great work guys 👍🏿...very informative.... thanks 👍🏿

[@scalp_logic]

Thank you for the comment! Glad you enjoyed it :)

[@SvetlanaAizenshtat]

Thank you so much for your information amazing inside , I am a micropigmentation artist and would like to master SMP what class would you recommend for someone like me . Thanks for sharing your wisdom

[@scalp_logic]

@@SvetlanaAizenshtat Very cool! Thank you for watching :) A mentorship of some sort with an artist that has the proven skill. That is the only way to learn.

[@Templar.Knight-Reaper]

Wow the results are impressive

[@dutchmasterberry4676]

So when going with the 1RL what would be the best size to start with .20 .25 .30 cause I do fully agree with the 1RL giving a nicer finer results which can be built up on for a longer fresher constant look

[@scalp_logic]

.40 👍🏼

[@robertp.4249]

Thank you for the information.

[@scalp_logic]

We are always happy to share. Thank you for watching and supporting :)

[@JakeSimmons-r2u]

What would you do if your client has a thicker hair follicle?

[@jadsalame835]

Love you guys! Love your vibes and the info you shower us with. Can i ask you what do you think is the room for progress of SMP technology in the upcoming 5/10 years? Not sure if the answer deserves a video upload or just a simple reply. Thanks!

[@scalp_logic]

Love it! I think a couple of different directions. Simply higher levels and standards of realism, and also a synthetic transplant that looks like real hair stubble… 🤔 Certainly worth a video in the near future ✌🏻🙏🏼

[@lucassmith5849]

Nicole and Joe, once again killer info! As you know I'm a massive single needle advocate and almost exclusively. I do think that a small 0603rl or 0403rl have their merits in certain situations. I have found myself in some cases where the 1rl just won't stick and need a beefier needle to get it done especially in the crown. I definitely agree that a single needle impressions represent a hair follicle under the skin long term. Thoughts on situations when you would use a 3? Thanks guys

[@scalp_logic]

A 3rl is used on guys with thicker skin, but generally just for one or a couple of sessions. The reason being (I’ll use your words) “A single needle represents a hair follicle under the skin long term” while a 3rl (even 0403 smallest size) packs too much ink into a single impression. It can’t look as small long term versus a single needle. The trick is more sessions and getting the skin healthy/optimized to retain the ink. 👌🏼

[@lucassmith5849]

Yes. Totally agree. More sessions for a much better result. I have never completed a whole smp using only a 3. Like you said, I sometimes mix it up (only if necessary) through the sessions with the main star being the 1401

[@scalp_logic]

@@lucassmith5849 It requires the patience of a dead man! 🙌🏻

[@CHUNKYNUGGET666]

I did not realise that needle size got down to 04, wow! I tattoo, the smallest thickness I’ve used is 08 mags. Thanks for the info 🙏

[@discerntheevidence4273]

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[@nonesuch27]

I thought (per previous videos) that Nicole liked 3rl needles, while the guy preferred 1rl? Did Nicole suddenly switch to 1rl?

[@scalp_logic]

We did say that a few mentions, I think up to 2 years ago. Truth is, she utilized a 3rl way more than I, but she now uses a single almost exclusively like myself.

[@jova2004]

So, I was told by my instructor to buy the Willy Style 3RL 0.25 needs. It looks like a single needle. But now I’m a bit confused. I’m sorry, and I truly love all of you’re videos. Thank you guys so much.

[@scalp_logic]

Thank you for the comment. This is a major difference in what we do compared to almost everyone else. A .25 mm 3 round liner (3rl) makes an enormous impression. The impression made from this needle is just as comparable to the size of a penny, if anyone would suggest this makes an impression the size of a real hair follicle. What we use is a single needle. We can create impressions that compare to the actual size of a hair follicle. For many reasons, our process is immensely different and is much more difficult to achieve. Please focus on the healed impressions created from each art form and you will see a big difference.

[@jova2004]

I can’t thank you all enough for the best instructional videos you put out. Thanks for the information, you have my support.

[@scalp_logic]

Thank you 😊

[@ayokay123]

When you mentioned "NO four clients a day", some folks might wonder why not as long as you only schedule two hours per client and see them for more sessions. I suspect it's due to the logistics of planning, prep, and clean-up between clients, but perhaps you may wish to expound?

[@scalp_logic]

The comment comes from guys we’ve seen, that have first gone to other “big” providers. Our understanding is most companies spend 2-3 hours per session (and 2 sessions to complete result) utilizing impressions large enough to fill a Norwood 7 with no more than 500-1000 dots/impressions.... no chance any impressions will look like real hair stubble, the size comparison isn’t close 😳

[@ayokay123]

@@scalp_logic Obviously, 2-3 hour sessions for only 2 sessions is ridiculous. What I was asking was why not 6 sessions (or thereabouts) for 2-3 hours each?

[@scalp_logic]

@@ayokay123 could work, but travel might be tough for most guys.

[@ayokay123]

@@scalp_logic Yeah, probably only good for locals.

[@scalp_logic]

@@ayokay123 As an artist, I would prefer to work this way 👌🏼

[@wayno4713]

Hi you guys do excellent work, trying to find an artist in Australia who’s on your level. Do you guys have any recommendations.

[@scalp_logic]

Hi, thank you and thanks for commenting.Check out SMP GC. We like the only the use of single needles. You’ll find there is nobody with our experience in Australia, but we highly suggest if you are liking for our kind of results, you only allow a single needle to be utilized.

[@CHUNKYNUGGET666]

I’m not your guy, yet! but I’m Aussie and I tattoo. I like these guys they’re switched on! Luckily I stumbled onto this channel 👍

[@jefffisher1045]

Will a practitioner use a single needle for my entire head if I ask them to, even if it takes more sessions? Or do most of them have there technique and that's it?

[@Pavel_Franta]

Hey guys. Info is still actual? As a SMP tattooer junior I use 0.18mm RL and single needle very rarely, just for hairline fancy details. Do you really use single needle up to now for most of the head?

[@lsantosbmw]

God dang she is gorgeous

[@johnnytucker5882]

Why does no one talk about this? I don't understand. Favorite SMP team.

[@scalp_logic]

It’s lack of awareness and then lack of ability/willingness to do the extra extra labor to produce better quality 💯

[@VistaVentures-jz9cu]

Exactly. From what i see its just too much work for the artist to use single needle. 3x the work perhaps ​@@scalp_logic

[@masquecule]

I am training a lot with a 401rl needle but I would like to know if the same needle would be used in each session and in each part of the scalp or perhaps the size would vary depending on the area to be treated, for example the hairline or the temple or crown. Any ideas to follow a pattern.

[@dr.ramonakelemen7800]

Do you always use one needle? You are so right 90% are using the 3RL. Is your recommendation to use One single needle? And what pigments do you use? Thank you

[@scalp_logic]

We use a single needle almost exclusively. It is I impossible to get such quality results using a 3rl in our opinion. We use a few different black tattoo inks, but don’t promote/advocate any one in particular.

[@dr.ramonakelemen7800]

Scalp Logic thank you. What brand of pigments do you use, if may I ask. Thank you.

[@gangwaybullys]

​@Scalp Logic how can I take ur class

[@astrabajtyt]

So what needle size you use most of the time? 0601RL? 0801RL?

[@mahsapasand2105]

Hello Nicole & Joe, Thank you for the great information. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🥰 Could I use 1201RL?

[@scalp_logic]

Hello :) Thank you for checking it out :) That’s too small to make good work in our opinion.

[@mahsapasand2105]

@@scalp_logic thank you for the reply. Then it should be 1401RL?

[@scalp_logic]

@@mahsapasand2105 At least :)

[@mahsapasand2105]

What if someone has blonde hair, then what type of pigment do you use?

[@scalp_logic]

@@musicbyady4900 lol. We pioneer the industry. Folks that are good at marketing increase their value by watching our channel and regurgitate our words, and we are happy and proud to offer our hard earned knowledge. The truth is that a good artist can make the correct sized impressions with a single, two, or three needle. What really matters is mentoring with the right experienced and worthy artistic mentor 👨‍🎨 There are no shortcuts in highest standards in the world art forms :)

[@markk2745]

I looked into this for a long time. 8 years and watched many video's (mostly customer testimonials) and I never even thought or realized this process might be done using more than 1 needle.

[@scalp_logic]

Yes there are many ways to replicate the true size of a hair follicle with ink impressions. Tattoo cartridge manufacturers have made many varieties in recent years to offer more ways to do it. Still, nothing more real than impressions made from single needles :)

[@JakeSimmons-r2u]

Wow, just googled you guys and it’s not good. So this video is 2 years old and now you are using the 3 needle because your single needle isn’t lasting more than 7 months!

[@ajw_3153]

Hey how dark can you get the SMP before it begins to look fake? I understand it's best to come in for multiple sessions to layer on the pigment one session at a time..

[@scalp_logic]

We speak about this topic in our next video (coming in a few days) because this is such an important topic to understand. The answer is in the visual. If one or more impressions either have a shadow, or one of the impressions is significantly larger than the circumference of a real hair, then it will look unnatural. Now, how many of these “rules” can be broken is subjective. In other words, it’s based on personal opinions/desires/standards. Our standard of Subtle Pigmentation is, if it doesn’t look as real as real hair, it’s flawed.

[@ajw_3153]

@@scalp_logic I have gone for 6 sessions from a very good artist, however it's not as dark/thick looking as I'd like it to be. It's very annoying how right after the treatment and looks amazing and then 3 days later it fades hard. I told him I wanted more of the darker look but so far it hasn't happened.

[@danielebaptista5180]

Is this 1RL-18-30 or 35 thik ?

[@CHUNKYNUGGET666]

Thanks so much guys, I’ve tattooed for 12yrs now and I’m interested in adding this into my services. It’s like the early days of tattooing, not much info online except for courses. I’ve done a few pointillism tattoos in my day and love tattooing heads. May I ask what machines you use, what cps you run your machines? I understand machine speed is personal but any extra info I’m all ears! Thankyou for your time🙏

[@scalp_logic]

Yes, very cool. Doing Subtle P or SMP is much different compared to body art tattooing, mainly the depth of insertion...makes it a completely different expression of the art form. We use same setup you would for a small detailed finger tattoo ✌🏻

[@bruza1980]

I am booked for my first session on May 6th. The practitioner said to me that a tattoo artist would need to train for SMP as the touch needs to be much lighter than when applying a tattoo as oppose to SMP treatment. Hope this helps in some way.

[@adielcastillo1379]

Not the same as a tattoo you need training

[@davemitchell3998]

Do you guys know anyone in the uk following your procedure with one needle?

[@scalp_logic]

We are coming to Berlin end of 2023! As far as artists in UK following our Subtle P, there are a few people doing it. We like to leave it up to consumers to make the call on what artist suits them best. Look for those healed results 😊

[@annamarina6060]

What about a 3 point micro needle? Does that give the same impression as single?

[@scalp_logic]

No it does not.

[@ClayLud]

So each visit, does the artist make new impressions or do they just hit the impressions from the earlier visit again? Thanks. Great channel.

[@scalp_logic]

Both. Mostly making new impressions each time. Tiny minuscule buildup to reach full density :)

[@dannygraves8334]

Beard games getting stronger 🦾

[@scalp_logic]

Ya Mon 🤙🏼

[@dannygraves8334]

@@scalp_logic I’m the same big beard and smp🙏🏼🖤

[@scalp_logic]

@@dannygraves8334 It’s the alpha move 💯 😊💪🏼

[@yeekieboy7988]

Hello is there a link for the needles 1rl I can purchase

[@scalp_logic]

Hi! No, we do not provide that information publicly, strictly for our mentees in training. We use a few different kinds for different reasons and there is a learning curve to understanding.

[@TheHungarianOak]

Hey guys, just a quick question, since smp is a single dot imitating real follicle, what difference does it make creating the dot following the direction of growth of the original hair? I mean who can one recreate the hair growth direction with ink? Thanks :)

[@scalp_logic]

This is a great question. Artists have tried in the past to create impressions (or mini hair strokes) to imitate the direction of hair growth. The problem with that, is we are creating impressions to match a shaven down hair follicle. In other words, the hair can’t grow in any direction until it has some length to it. Again, we are creating hair follicles that are shaven down all the way. To create a hair follicle with some length, it would look more like a mini line, instead of a dot. Because the ink sits 2D (under the skin) this attempt looks unrealistic to say the least,

[@Moist_Fishy]

ASMP - or Art SMP. Being done by the Koreans.

[@scalp_logic]

@@Moist_Fishy Yes! I’ve heard this for some time now. Any artists or companies to check out?

[@Moist_Fishy]

@@scalp_logic D Black do it. D Chris is the artist.(Korea) Easily found on IG. Though its all in Korean. JSSMP (Australia) done the ASMP course also and can interpret if required.

[@scalp_logic]

@@Moist_Fishy Just looked up D Black (easily found you’re right). I see great marketing and good work, but NO WAY that he is doing Subtle P. I see bigger dots, maybe some photoshopping 🤷🏻‍♂️. I’m not knocking his work, but look at Noir Smp in Australia…she is better than 99% of smp artists in the world (our opinion) and that definitely includes D black.

[@craigygeorge]

Would you guys use a 3RL for density work? For eg, client has hair but a Thinning crown?

[@scalp_logic]

Sure, that could work if it’s the right fit,

[@lukeprocopis6322]

great vid i found when i trained i felt the impressions were far too big even with a 1rl the company told me that the 1rl 0.8 was the smallest needle but there must be smaller ? what size 1rl would you use for most natural hair follicle impression i’m guessing it’s less than 0.8

[@grantsparkes7457]

I just had my first session of SMP and you can hardly see anything on my head. I know the second session adds density but I’m concerned that it is too light. Has anyone else experienced this feeling after the first session?

[@scalp_logic]

Where did you go?

[@paveljakl]

That girl is gorgeous bro..😍

[@scalp_logic]

She uses me for my Subtle P 💯 😆

[@paveljakl]

@@scalp_logic whats that?

[@scalp_logic]

@@paveljakl We call our version of smp, Subtle Pigmentation because it looks more natural and subtle than all the rest :) 💯

[@barrymichaels2663]

So what needle sizes are you using?

[@scalp_logic]

A lot of different single needles

[@barrymichaels2663]

@@scalp_logic Yes, but what sizes please?

[@scalp_logic]

@@barrymichaels2663 That’s the secret sauce and ever evolving…. 1401rl 👌🏼

[@yourofficialrealtor1057]

In what time frame are the 4 to 5 sessions are completed?

[@scalp_logic]

We have guys that complete all of it in one months time, and we also have guys that pause for months at a time in between sessions. The entire process is customized depending on the most important variables in a given situation.

[@Hannycutz]

Hi what’s the max amount of time do you recommend someone come back for their 3rd session?

[@scalp_logic]

Hey hey. No blanket answer here as every situation requires a custom approach. With that, no maximum time required. We have gents that wait 3-6 months, while most wait just 2-3 weeks after the second session.

[@Zako3737]

awesome video

[@scalp_logic]

Thank you so much 😊

[@RH-xd3nx]

Hey guys quick question, i just got done with my 2nd session...first went well , then the 2nd they added density...about 5days later i noticed very faint circles about the size of a dime 4 of them in various parts...i googled it and its called migration or blotched...do you know what causes that?

[@scalp_logic]

That’s a great example of fresh vs healed results. What a result looks like freshly done, is a completely different result/story once it heals completely (1-2 weeks minimum). Ink can spread, merge, fade, and there is a lot going on in the healing/curing process. That’s where the real result is revealed. For these reasons we encourage consumers to study ONLY healed pictures and videos as all other forms of showcasing results is misleading/unknown.

[@RH-xd3nx]

@@scalp_logic wow thanks

[@ayokay123]

@@scalp_logic Do you guarantee against migration/blotched/spread/merged ink in the healed results? I can understand about not guaranteeing about fading, but not sure about the other stuff.

[@scalp_logic]

@@ayokay123 You’re highlighting the importance (necessity) of skin health. We are the best at understanding and controlling such results. The factors are 1. the depth of ink insertion (single needle is better for avoiding migration) and 2. The lifestyle choices/actions, examples are sun exposure, maintain skin health, medical health, prescription pills, drinking, exercise, etc.

[@familyfirst7027]

Where are you located?

[@scalp_logic]

We are in Houston Texas

[@cesargodinez2]

Would you recommend anyone in the Los Angeles area that does your quality of work?

[@bukujayday9638]

I need a consultation

[@scalp_logic]

Email us at ScalpLogic@gmail Or call or text us 424-335-3495

[@oscargutierrez7117]

Do you guys know if Zang in Los Angeles does subtle p?

[@scalp_logic]

A quick look at their IG….definitely not Subtle P. Impressions are too large in my opinion.

[@JakeSimmons-r2u]

I think everyone appreciates your professionalism by not stating who the “biggest provider” is, but don’t you think you should be warning people? You’re not defaming them as the people you are fixing were their clients. 🤔

[@scalp_logic]

@@JakeSimmons-r2uWe have tried through the years only to have other artists and competitors discredit and smear us as a result. It is unfortunate, the internet is undefeated.

[@JakeSimmons-r2u]

@@scalp_logic yesterday I was on someone else’s channel and they were talking about using 3RL needles over 1RL. And in the comments, someone had mentioned your studio using 1RL and having good results. The other channel was discussing the fact that you can get 3RL’s in smaller diameters. Have you started using them instead of 1RL’s?

[@scalp_logic]

@@JakeSimmons-r2u Too much focus on needle sizes. We really want guys to focus on size of healed impressions bc that’s all that matters. Yes, in last few years manufacturers make 3rls that can do what only a single needle could do in the past.

[@JakeSimmons-r2u]

@@scalp_logic so would the advantage be holding more ink?

[@xandersediescakes6055]

This guys are over reaching

[@scalp_logic]

@@xandersediescakes6055 Ha. Perhaps.

[@gangwaybullys]

Why does my instructor tells me they don't use 1r l on people

[@scalp_logic]

Different styles, different standards, different expressions of the same art :)

[@gangwaybullys]

@@scalp_logic But he told me that nobody uses 1rl I'm trying to figure out why he would say that

[@VistaVentures-jz9cu]

​@@gangwaybullysmaybe because its more difficult and longer return from a business standpoint

[@gangwaybullys]

??????