Does Tesla Build a Good AWD System? We Put The Model Y On The TFL Slip Test To Find Out!

[@TFLcar]

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[@user-jt1jv8vl9r]

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[@davidecavicchini]

Would the test have a different result by adding weight on the front?

[@jetah50]

@@davidecavicchini EVs are pretty heavy as is. it seems as though the front driver size isn't a main power distribution of the whole vehicle.

[@Narinjas]

And the best thing is the vehicle will be software upgrade so i wish you will do this test again in 6 months.

[@User888User]

Sure youse minoxidil ... maybe check what the 16% danger is using it, but hey lol

[@nihongobenkyoshimasu3190]

7:30 It would be nicer to see the front left wheel instead of the rear right wheel in the upper corner since the rear wheel was already visible.

[@dylanw8823]

100%. I thought all 4 wheels were on rollers 😂😂😂

[@HoosierDaddy_]

This should be done on all awd/4wd vehicles TFL gets to test.

[@stoneimage666]

I totally agree!!! Awesome test and it really shows how good or bad the AWD/4WD works.

[@christopherpedersen1820]

Certainly all wheel drive and also 4 wheel drive with locking diffs or limited slip. An open diff 4 wheel drive actually SHOULD fail the diagonal or 3 wheel test though. I suppose you could still do it, but it's kind of just a fact that if you have 2 open diffs and no traction on 1 wheel on each axel you're stuck.

[@falconwaver]

Same thing goes for the F150 with the 4 auto.

[@HoosierDaddy_]

@@christopherpedersen1820 ~ I was thinking of the test for the traction control systems. Some are very good, but some seem very weak. I don't know if any vehicles are sold anymore without some kind of traction control??

[@christopherpedersen1820]

@@HoosierDaddy_ Yeah, after I commented I realized that for modern things that may not be entirely true. Even 4wd with open diffs is effectively all wheel drive if you have some traction control. And yeah in the US everything since 2011 has to have traction control I guess.

[@Rich_123]

You didn't show the wheel that was on the ground, which I heard spinning on the pavement at one point.

[@Cartel834]

Yeah I heard that too

[@e30tomas54]

Idk why he didn't put roller under right wheel so we can see it...

[@niall21]

Yeah kind of a weird thing to hide... makes the test feel invalid.

[@drink15]

@@niall21 it couldn’t get off the rollers as intended, so seeing it doesn’t change the results

[@niall21]

@@drink15 Sure it does. We don't know what the 4th wheel was doing or even if it was on a wet patch or a banana peel. They essentially have only published 75% of their results. It certainly wasn't okay when VW didn't publish all their diesel emissions findings.

[@drsus0]

Easily my favorite AWD test for cars on KZbin ....really brings out the truth about how these cars are programmed and engineered

[@bhavjotkang8004]

not really he didnt even show all the wheels so we dont know if the tesla failed because of the tires or system

[@millenniumzeek]

Plus an incline changes things

[@LauS0]

@@bhavjotkang8004 it's still a fail in a real situation

[@TheGuruStud]

engineered like shit, yep lol

[@Rhynri]

I once drove an X onto a snow covered worn metal bed for a transport truck (the kind that lowers to make a ramp). Although it was steep and almost tractionless, it did this really goofy thing where it locked down all the wheels and only turned one at a time while pulsing the brakes to slowly scoot the car up onto the trailer. I was amazed it did it considering I could barely walk on the surface with winter boots. Some impressive tech either way.

[@TheGuruStud]

Traction is no problem when you weigh over 5k lbs.

[@ChaseB1896]

@@TheGuruStud When you weigh over 5k lbs you also have to work harder to make it up a slope. More weight doesn't = more traction, all that matters is where the weight is distributed. A 7k lb truck with 4x4 would struggle in many icy scenarios when a small car with a good AWD system would do well.

[@mathewm3073]

@@TheGuruStudsince when does weight mean better traction

[@iskdude9922]

​@@mathewm3073better in snow. Not ice

[@edgeofsins]

​@@mathewm3073 It crunches through snow and ice a little better and prevents tire slipping if they have more weight pushing them against the ground

[@matthewng1666]

I rode my new model Y in the snow for the first time yesterday. It drove very secure and safe. I waas able to even conquer some minor moutains plowed up to the side while trying to get street parking. What timing to see this video!

[@whattheschmidt]

Mine also did very well, better than the other cars on the road a few days ago. Still need a big snow storm to see how it handles that. I did put winter tires on my car.

[@alvaro4k]

At the end there, where he “cheats”, yeah, that’s an actual technique that people should know and not just rely on the computers/electronics of the cars, as we’ve seen.

[@davidfarmer]

Its a bit different than in the real world, him turning prevented him from rolling on the rollers. in real life you might be stuck on a wide patch of ice on a hill with no traction near by.

[@alvaro4k]

@@davidfarmer I honestly didn’t notice that he turned the wheel to get friction on the non-roller part. I thought he was tapping the brakes like you do for diy traction control, that’s what I was actually talking about.

[@DanAshleyChicago]

I live in Chicago and park on the street. The city only plows the middle of the street, so the sides where we park are snow packed. We turn the wheel all the time to try to get a little traction on our front wheel drive vehicles. The snowpack to the left vs straight ahead vs to the right might be a little bit different in terms of traction. We don't consider this maneuver to be cheating.

[@garrettstevens2232]

@@alvaro4k I'm not sure about the Tesla but other EV's I've drive cut all power if you touch the brakes. No way to use both at the same time.

[@alvaro4k]

@@garrettstevens2232 yeah, a lot of modern gas cars do this as well. I think the intent isn’t necessarily to move the car and press the brakes etc, it’s the change in momentum that gets generated from the spinning wheels and then sudden brake movements, that help to make small changes in grip level somewhere. Imagine a car in a teter toter type situation. That’s the overall principle I think.

[@joeyg283]

Roller test Tesla awd vs Subaru symmetrical awd vs Audi Quattro (a good version). I’d watch that.

[@marcoserbach3848]

@@layne4376 There's a test on YT of all brands ( BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Toyota, Honda, Subaru...) in the snow doing starting and slalom. The Audi Quattro won.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Quattro vs. X-drive vs. Symmetrical vs. some full EV.

[@WillHasManyHobbies]

@@marcoserbach3848 link please?

[@Hallowsaw]

@@layne4376 i know the pilot is different but i passed a pilot that was stuck in 8 inches of snow on the road while me in my subaru legacy passed him with very little issue

[@TheSakuragihanimichi]

Add in range rover or land rover too.

[@Parker-di7ef]

Elon will see this video and issue a software update so it’ll be able to do the roller test even better!

[@RichardHurt]

Yes, I think one of the most valuable aspects of owning a Tesla is the fact that this type of thing can be corrected after purchase. With any other vehicle you would have to wait for the next model year to get this type of improvement, or at least make a visit to your local dealer. With Tesla, your vehicle just downloads the latest update and the problem is fixed.

[@masonfox9070]

This was my exact thought. Most other vehicles, you would be stuck with the performance they came with, but with a tesla you might get better performance in this situation in the following winter. Overall still pretty impressive out of the box.

[@WillHasManyHobbies]

I'm waiting for his tweet about this video for a future update. Does he know about this video yet?

[@babochee]

@@masonfox9070 All vehicles made in the last 40 years can get updates ya derp. Just not over the air.

[@babochee]

@@RichardHurt this is a lie and misleading. Any vehicle with an ECU can have this kind of issue correct. The engine and transmission can be reprogrammed. Your ignorance isn't doing anyone any good

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

props to Tommy for noticing it caught the side. TFL honest reviews as always

[@samkarti]

Too much bla bla! Just do it! I had to constantly forwarding to see results... 11 mins fo something taking 2.

[@gamma-rayburst4271]

It sounds like that front left wheel on the ground was spinning. Was that front left wheel having traction problem as well or was it the vehicle not being able to send enough power to just one front wheel to propel itself?

[@veightrwd8828]

I know, I was wanting to see the tire that had traction but they never showed. Pretty damn lame. They showed all the rest, what’s the deal?

[@uberragen2181]

I understand where your mind is at, but the sound of the tire spinning on pavement likely was one or more tires touching the edge of the rollers. Those tires used in this test are the newest high performance 3 mountain peak all season tires. I highly doubt it was slipping on the pavement. I suspect the programming was never dialed in for 3 tires without grip and only 1 tire in the front with grip. Thankfully, that's an easy over the air update fix away if Tesla tasks their engineers to fix it.

[@bohicajohnson7203]

@@uberragen2181 Already done!

[@tomasgoes]

Think it is an issue of weight distribution. Three wheels off it just didn't have enough weight on it to find enough purchase, no matter the torque.

[@EricLS]

I think it was, it just weighs too much and the weight is rear biased and there's not a ton of travel in the suspension, so it just lost traction, I think you're right.

[@lllateralus]

Good test, but in the last one we were unable to see (due to camera placement) what the left front tire was doing. IF the left front was actually spinning on the cold pavement, it’s a tire/traction failure.. not an AWD power transfer failure. Huge difference and very relevant.

[@brucec954]

Also might be due to limited suspension travel so not much weight on the active tire?

[@lllateralus]

Very possible, but we really needed to see what that tire was doing. If it was stationary, then it’s a total fail on the all-wheel-drive system’s ability to transfer power. If it was spinning, then it was a traction failure exacerbated by limited suspension travel.

[@timyti88]

I love how you guys do these tests. It would be cool if you rank and rate vehicles by class etc for these tests! Where does this Model Y land when compared to other cars?

[@copperkeyracing6167]

The other cars don't get stuck. The model Y does.

[@LuizHartkopf]

@@copperkeyracing6167a lot of other cars do lol the Camry for example got stuck in the 3 wheel test when just the 1 rear wheel had traction.

[@volvo09]

Love your roller tests!

[@wettenFTW]

@Camaro 68 sure, but it shows more or less how the AWD system works and that's the point of the slip test :)

[@snowrocket]

@Camaro 68 It won't act a bit different from this on ice.

[@eric-ik7kv]

@Camaro 68 the test is not supposed to be 100% real world but give an approximate conditions. If it fails this it’s probably not going to do better real world in less ideal conditions.

[@eriknephrongfr8847]

@@eric-ik7kv No objection to the ‘c’ when you give such excellent, well-reasoned takes.

[@snowrocket]

@Camaro 68 You're welcome.

[@henrytang2203]

Perhaps we could see a "virtual locked diff" mode in a future software update.

[@scottmohrman]

I would like to see that my Cybertruck.

[@perakojot6524]

You would like to have open diff converted to a locked diff through a software??? Gee, how clueless is a typical Tesla fan about mechanics or cars overall...

[@henrytang2203]

Ah that's right, we got a motor on each of the front and back axles, and an open diff on each axle. For a sec there, I thought it was one motor per wheel. That would be awesome for torque vectoring and simulated locked diff. But not the case.

[@perakojot6524]

@@henrytang2203 You can always buy Rimac C2, that one has 4 motors, and costs 2+ millions :D.

[@erikkovacs3097]

@@perakojot6524 Software can aggressively apply the brake to the slipping wheel which, while not like a locked diff, is more like limited slip diff.

[@lifeisfuneh]

This reminds me of the Tesla 3 version test and the backing up back to the garage fiasco ...😉

[@604h22a]

That’s one episode tommy would like to forget

[@VibhorWase]

Maybe that's why this time he's parallel?!

[@stephaneruel9665]

The rear wheel slip test confirms my experience. I really don't like the way my Y behaves in the snow. It drives like a RWD car and constantly oversteers as it takes too long for the front wheels to "wake up". I hope they give us control over how the power is distributed in the future. It would be great to be able to better balance it.

[@nihongobenkyoshimasu3190]

There is a video from Bjørn Nyland driving on a snowy road and making similar comments for the Model 3.

[@integralhighspeedusb]

No track mode for the Y?

[@stephaneruel9665]

@@integralhighspeedusb Only on the performance one I think. My car doesn't have it.

[@snowrocket]

These types of oversights continue to prove to me that Tesla is still being run by tech geeks and not car and truck enthusiasts. It should be VERY easy (software update?) to give the driver more front-to-rear torque split control. The EVO and STi have a knob allowing some amount of driver selection. Tesla SHOULD also be able to give you the ability to make a series of selections and save it as a personal Mode. Even going up hill versus down hill, you might want torque applied differently then front-to-rear.

[@johnmadsen37]

snowrocket maybe when it’s all done in Texas they’ll have more snow to rest it on. Elon will eventually hear about this video and watch it - yes, this is totally a software update.

[@gwestrsf]

By default, a Model Y drives on the rear motor at low speed (permanent magnet motor). Only if you call up lots of power will the front motor engage (induction motor). It's the opposite on Model S/X, with the front wheels leading.

[@maryhadda8420]

How do we know that?

[@gwestrsf]

@@maryhadda8420 because that's how these motors work, mechanically. PMSRM can't disengage. Always has to be on. Induction can disengage.

[@evilpcprogrammer]

My X is a beast in the snow so I was surprised to see the last test go so bad. Just curious if it felt like the front brakes were grabbing at all on the last test? The way it is all software driven, I wouldn't be surprised if an update gets pushed in the future to fix the last test.

[@BlakeLinton]

The X and S have dynamic air suspension. Maybe that would enable them to ace the last test by improving that one wheel's contact with the ground?

[@lppuckster1298]

Ok Tommy. If you’re plugging Keeps, we need to see a time lapse for the next 10 years. One pick a week from here on out please!

[@zuhermarwan6513]

He doesn’t have hair loss tho

[@bigsho5218]

@@zuhermarwan6513 yeah now thanks to KEEPS 😂🤣😂

[@hereigoagain5050]

Love the slip test because, you know, science, experiments, data, uniform conditions, etc. But, where is the league table?

[@holthegaming7348]

Keep in mind that the model 3 and y only use the rear motor because of its efficiency. The front motor is only in use when you floor it or lose traction on the rear wheels.

[@raddaks2039]

Also of note is that the Performance model allows you to set it to track mode and adjust how much power goes to front and back (defaults to about 80% rear). If you're actually stuck in the back, you can set it to 80%+ front to compensate.

[@holthegaming7348]

@@raddaks2039 True

[@meadowsmydog]

Thanks for telling me that was an SUV. Looks like a 4 door hatchback sedan to me!

[@vadimvandendonk8879]

The term SUV is used very loosely these days, it basically lost all meaning.

[@alittlebitintellectual7361]

Its a crossover suv. Half suv half sedan. Basically the only reason they call it a crossover suv because of the giant hatch

[@dvader3263]

It's sporty. It offers a lot of utility. It's a vehicle. It has a large rear hatch, great cargo capacity, small front trunk and moderate towing capability. You can install a lift kit and taller tires and take it off road. What makes an SUV? A frame? Bad gas mileage? Bad aerodynamics? Stiff ride? Solid rear axel? Old tech? Burns fossil fuel? Two box stying? Visits gas stations once or twice a week? Ok. Just call it a Model Y. Crossover, wagon, hatch, whatever. The crap people focus on. The Model S is is a hatchback sedan. That's a lot different than the Model Y. The Model 3 is a proper sedan with a trunk lid. The Model Y is over 7 inches taller than the Model 3 and is a bit wider and longer also. It's not a small vehicle. Gotta learn about vehicles.

[@S3XY-00]

It’s an suv like all other hundreds of suvs out there from Japan /korea and now China . Nothing new why r u surprised. Even Porsche suvs are the same proportions and height .. not sure what ur comparing it to. The next level up is of course Toyota / Land Rover / ford proper truck chassis which resembles nothing like suv or “cute Ute”

[@fredsansoucie644]

They should put an option on the screen that basically shows the entire driveline and you can tell it which brakes to pulse, so you can send power to certain wheels. Any way to tell it which wheels do and done have traction

[@boost1728]

You can’t manually tell it which to brake or power, but it does have sensors to tell itself which to brake and power

[@dirtlint8311]

Excellent video. This is how engineering would do the test.... I was debating dual motor or single. This pushes me over to dual motor. That is what everyone saying the best value is a dual motor in Tesla car

[@mattbrew11]

The Y doesn’t come in a single motor. The Mach E is reportedly a better driver and the interior is vastly superior. I know where I’ll be spending my money

[@captn3x]

@@mattbrew11 go to abetterroutplanner.com. And enter a destination you might want to go with all electric cars your considering getting. This will give you an idea of strengths and weakness of traveling. Everyone's needs are different. As a 69 mustang owner I wish they wouldn't have used the Mustang name on a 4 door crossover.

[@mattbrew11]

@@captn3x while I initially found it odd, it stirred up a hornets nest of buzz and in this day in age that seems to be how successful marketing is accomplished. You’ll get an electric mustang soon enough. As far as a better route planner the charging infrastructure will catch up soon enough. They’ll be as common as gas stations in a few years that doesn’t concern me. I’m getting a hybrid F150 with a 700 mile range so if I care to drive that far, that works fine for me

[@maxou5757]

@@mattbrew11 Mach E LOL !

[@snowrocket]

@@captn3x I agree. Ford will dilute the Mustang name by doing this. Why they don't see that is beyond me.

[@soiceyboy33]

Please do a roller test with a Mitsubishi Outlander GT! I swear they have one of the best AWD systems in the business lifted right off the EVO. I’d like to see how the S-AWC system performs here. Dollar for dollar, it’s the cheapest/ best AWD on the market. You’d have to spring for an Audi (Quattro) system to get anything comparable

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

AWC and S-AWC systems in Outlander has nothing in common with the one from Evo. Literally nothing except "S-AWC" name.

[@soiceyboy33]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers That’s not true....do your research. I did, and that’s why I bought one. The S-AWC system on the Outlander GT has an Active Center Differential (ACD), which sends nearly 100 percent of available torque to the front axle under normal conditions, but can divert as much as half of the available torque to the rear axle for a 50/50 split. It also has Super Active Yaw Control (S-AYC), a torque-vectoring system lifted from the EVO that uses an active differential to send up to 70 percent of torque available on an axle to either the left or right wheel to enhance handling. The only difference between the EVO and Outlander is the EVO has S-AYC on both the front and rear axles to improve performance, while the Outlander is front axle only. In fact, the Outlander GT is the only vehicle in its class on the market today that features an active front differential (AFD). DO YOUR RESEARCH. I can tell you from experience, it’s one of the best and has never disappointed me. Last winter, we had 2ft of snow and Mercedes, BMW, Nissan, Toyota SUVs were abandoned all over the road while my Outlander drove through it like it was butter. Here’s the link to more info if you need it www.mitsubishi-motors.ca/en/sawc/

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@soiceyboy33 Evo has active center differential, helical front differential (torsen type) and overspeeding rear differential. Outlander doesn't have ANY of these. Actually it doesn't even have center differential at all, just a clutch-pack. It is completely different system. Of course it has AFD which is great but it has nothing in common with Evo. Both cars use S-AWC and AYC names but technically they are not even similar. In roller tests GT gets the same result as standard Outlander. Both are doing much better than Evo, which is not designed for that. Read more than marketing stuff, check what's underneath the cars. I had a few Mitsubishi cars, I tested a lot of them on rollers, I know what I am talking about.

[@annawei4301]

You are testing the Performance MY. I have the LR MY, drove it first time this past week in NJ in the snow storm. It was stable, though I did fish tail a couple of times over 35 mph. Takes some getting used to, had a AWD R350 in the past & with that weight, that was more stable than the MY. Overall, it was fine for regular winter driving. 😊😍😮

[@dustinbennie1813]

The factory rear caliper covers to make them LOOK bigger should be all you need to know about Tesla.

[@michelcote]

I am still deceived that the rear wheels have to slip trough 3/4 turn to activate the front motor. Electronics coud be way better. In deep snow and ice, you dig yourself with this. I am always getting scared when it does this on my Model 3 Dual Motor. Regen and rear bias makes a squirelly (yaw) car on the snow compared to a real awd or fwd. Tesla could make a ''Winter traction'' mode that engage and regen both motors even if we lose some efficiency.

[@Meatball2022]

Wish you put the camera on the ground wheel for final test. Seemed to me that ground wheel was slipping also. It was maybe 3 rollers 1 icy

[@trenton1190]

Same. The front wheel was likely slipping because the other 3 wheels were 2-3 inches higher, removing the weight from the tire on the ground. If the car had been level it would have made it.

[@johnreese3762]

Good, fair test, thanks!!

[@4x4larry]

When are we gonna get a 4wheel slip test? Lol

[@JonBecker81]

They’ll be able to test that when cars come with an auxiliary jet engine attached to them. 😂

[@jamesbeaman6337]

@@JonBecker81 Or three axles.

[@tristanskylark]

8:35 you should have tried to summon it to see what it does

[@wendeldickau]

How do most AWD systems do on these tests? I have a Buick Encore AWD for example I wonder how it would do on these tests? The model Y seemed pretty good though. I think I would have hit the accelerator more on the single front wheel test, then the brakes would have kicked in on the slipping wheels maybe.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

There's quite a lot of slippage in Buick Encore AWD before systems start to react. Not too good, not too bad.

[@ericviele4379]

I feel like the model Y should have done better on that last test. Maybe I’m oversimplifying it, but this seems like an issue that could be resolved through a software update pretty easily

[@rezyn0]

Traction braking is probably softer on the steering wheels on purpose, most drivers won't be prepared for the sudden pull on the steering wheel.

[@MARXTACET]

The tire on the ground has virtually no car weight on it because the car is suspended in the air by the 3 tires up on the rollers. Not a good test.

[@ericviele4379]

Elias, I’ve watched it several times and don’t hear the driver front tire fighting for traction, I just hear the rollers. One tire should be able to pull the car off. I wish they showed that wheel in the camera view.

[@marcbee1234]

@@ericviele4379 Absolutely!

[@Daniel-dg8hd]

@@MARXTACET thats the whole point of the test, its an awesome test

[@tonyle7311]

Hope to see you do roller test on 21” Toyota Sienna AWD

[@rydingwithryan493]

Would be interesting to test the different awd systems provided by suburu because not all suburu awds are created equal.

[@cascivic]

Would be great but stupid Subaru still won't give them press cars.... 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@rydingwithryan493]

@@cascivic can someone explain the backstory on why they won’t provide tfl with vehicles.

[@cascivic]

They took an outback I think up there old proving Hill for suvs and the CVT sucked etc and they may of dented something. I think Subaru came with a tow truck and like took it without telling them and basically never talked to them again. This is probably 7 years ago.

[@WillHasManyHobbies]

@@cascivic The Subaru CVT is much better now I've heard. We have one with no CVT issues.

[@motofan16]

Go to track mode, you’ll be able to change it to 100% front or rear drive. Could be interesting to watch.

[@stephen-boddy]

Unless something changed recently, track mode is not available on the Y. Only on the 3. Musk did respond to a tweet where someone asked for it, so it may be in the pipeline.

[@Stefan_Dahn]

​@@stephen-boddy2023: Now track mode is available.

[@workouthax]

The flaw in these tests is that the way the AWD system operates is to keep the vehicle straight and maintain overall traction, not so much get off rollers. When you are driving and 1-3 wheels slip you don't want power on the wheel(s) with grip. If you send power to the one wheel off rollers with grip, you car will rotate. Now what you want in these tests are cars with AWD, but an LSD in the front or rear, or 4wd. That's good for getting out of mud and stuff like that.

[@DimitriSLouis]

9:03 [sounding disappointed and somewhat breathless] "Well we did eventually get off but that was a difficult task."

[@andrewsnow7386]

I wan't to see you try a test will all 4 tires on rollers. If you turned off traction control and ABS, then ran the car up to high speed (60-100 mph ?), and slammed on the brakes, maybe the inertia of the rollers would be just enough to push the car off backwards. Do I really think this would work? No the bearings in the rollers would probably self destruct first. But it in any case, it would almost guarantee excitement. 😁

[@JamesLarson47]

pretty damn good considering that it's an open differential instead of LSD

[@warmonger2500]

I'll bet someone from Tesla will watch this video and in a few months they will update the software to make it work perfectly. It's exactly the sort of thing Tesla does.

[@snowrocket]

Perhaps, but why didn't they do this test and fix it before releasing it?

[@warmonger2500]

@@snowrocket No one is perfect and a tech company, like Tesla, may not have a bunch of crazy Colorado Off-roaders working for them.

[@warmonger2500]

@@snowrocket You assume that the all knowing, all seeing, Elon would find every possible problem or oversight before the car is released. I believe they just didn't see the need for a more comprehensive all wheel drive algorithm for a car that drives mostly on the road.

[@phillm156]

I’ve been using cross climate 2 for 3 yrs now on my 2017 SQ5. They are incredible in all weathers conditions but you should know it is 10% less efficient than my previous set of Michelin pilot AS. Didn’t know that before purchase.

[@setheroth28092]

Turns out the ‘fanboys’ were right. So maybe they weren’t ‘fanyboys’, they were just the smart ones that believed in the product when no one else did. Let’s give them some respect.

[@kurtpenner2362]

Tommy, thanks for this vid. I am a bit disappointed in the last test with the single front wheel up. Wouldn't a subaru just divert power to the one front wheel and easily pull forward? Not sure why Tesla can't ace this one. Also, can you guys mod your Y with the lift kit from Mountain Pass? That would get some extra ground clearance for dirt and snow.

[@gnosis7662]

Could probably be fixed with a simply software update. Someone needs to notify Tesla about this test.

[@tomflaushe]

Great video. Clearly more rear wheel drive than front but perhaps Tesla will see this and issue an ‘over the air software update’ to help with this potential issue. I think it would be cool if the Tesla computer would interact with the amount of information it has over the air, like weather and GPS location including cameras on the car to to recognise and adjust the cars set up as a custom setting (within safety reasons) to deal with the current real time terrain the car finds itself in at any given time. Either way, more potential tools at its disposal for a standard well rounded car.

[@AlexJHatesGoogle]

I would love to see this test again today to see if anything has changed

[@theglassarrow_]

Normally the traction control on cars handle this info just without using air temps. It detects what wheel is spinning, directs power to a wheel that is getting traction.

[@Gamma00Ray]

THAT'S NOT AN SUV. THAT'S A CAR.

[@RudyC27]

Cross over

[@Gamma00Ray]

@@RudyC27 Tesla calls it a midsize SUV, but bullcrap on it being a crossover, too. It's got about the same if not less ground clearance than the Camry they showed in the same video, and it's 99% proportioned like a car. It's a slight bit more going on up top, but the back of it looks especially carlike. I asked my dad if it was an SUV or a car, and he said it was a car. He also said that they made cars like that going back to the 70s. This is such a car. If they're calling it an SUV to make people feel more inclined to buy it, then I hope it's not a successful experiment because THAT'S A CAR, BABY!

[@snowrocket]

They're CALLING it an SUV, but I think "trucky" styling PLUS extra ground clearance is the hallmark of an SUV. Without the extra ground clearance, yeah, it's a car. Most people will buy it anyway, because they don't go off pavement/road anyway.

[@RANDsreviews]

Keep these tests up! I enjoyed this interesting content that isn’t out there. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@dathyr1]

Thanks for the video. I wanted to get an idea how the AWD operates on a Tesla Y and your video tests give me kind of how well the vehicle does. Real test is out in the real winter weather living in Illinois. I don't have a Tesla or any electric vehicle right now, but watching all of the videos I can on the Model Y. Thank you. Take care.

[@roydelpozo4816]

Tommy continues to get better ! Good job! no overuse of the British brilliant. On top of this you are getting very natural behind the camera. Last personal note is i love it when you see your dad and actually call him dad instead of Roman. Good son and good reviewer!

[@larrywu9270]

Not sure if anyone mentioned it but I know if you are not at full throttle or above a certain throttle position... only the rear motor is used. Also same when you are driving at slow speeds. Which explains why when you put the rollers on the front wheels it doesn’t do much vs the rear wheels.

[@markkapzynski123]

How do you think the Model Y did in this test compared to the same test you did on your Model 3. I was convinced to buy a Model 3 LR Dual-Motor after seeing your similar test and wish I didn't have to sell it. I have the Model Y Performance now which doesn't have the same range as the M3 and those stock low profile tires are scary for long road trips in the winter. There are many trips I take where there is no cell coverage in case I get a flat. Like you, I am planning on replacing the stock 21" wheels with Martian Wheels and was wondering if you saw a reduction in ground clearance with your Michelin tires? What offset did you order for your 19" wheels and what tire size? I was thinking of 255/45R19 on all wheels. I lived in Colorado Springs for over ten years and miss the scenery.

[@HettBret]

Have you done one of these with the new Venza?

[@beflat_trumpeter]

First car to pass the 4 wheel slip test would be mind blowing.

[@willp942]

Thank you for oiling the rollers!

[@TamasVarga-VatartPhoto]

Very good test. Simple and clear. Please repeat it with the latest model and software. Thanks

[@ThoughtfulAl]

Very good indeed. I had not watched any TFL vids for the past year because of the deliberate viral aspect but this was straight forward honest stuff, nice.

[@Hjemmevet]

Fantastic review and video. Thank you 🙏👍

[@GROGU123]

You were gentle on the throttle. But on an electric car, both axles are fully software programmed to provide torque based on the programmers choices, just like the rear clutch on an AWD car. I suspect if you jab the power more, the programmer would give the front more immediate torque based on how much quicker the dual motor is vs the rwd car in acceleration tests. Worth a test next time.

[@therandomtester9561]

Hush, don't tell which wheels you put the rollers under while the car is listening. It's a smart car you know... ;)

[@J.W.W.]

Looking forward to this video! After being surprised at how well the Camry did, this will be fun to watch also

[@alienation-k1x]

Camry did better.

[@starshipdriver8536]

@@alienation-k1x kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWjIXmOYj550jJY Camry didn’t pass all the tests.

[@snowrocket]

Looking at the Camry footage shown here, I wasn't impressed. Way too much wheelspin before it came off the rollers.

[@ychilds99]

Subscribed! Thank you for performing this test on various vehicles.

[@MajorGainz-704]

Great info Tommy, should do the same for Audi and Subaru

[@sking2173]

Audi’s system is fanatic using Torsen diffs !!

[@vipsk8er7794]

Was the vehicle put in slip start mode? Specifically a mode for starting in low traction areas. Very different traction control and abs logic with that enabled

[@LightStylePro]

TFL: Good test set-up and demonstration of more work to go on the Model-Y. When your factory and test track are in Fremont, CA it's difficult to fully test the AWD system. Your simple roller test an be repeated anywhere! I'll assume that the Model-Y dual-motor AWD is "capable" of passing your TFL Ultimate 3-Wheel Slip Test once Telsa engineers work on the problem and provide an over-the-air software update to your vehicle. PLEASE repeat this test when such an update occurs. Hopefully you can put a link into this video for your Part-II, post-update test. Thanks! Good job!

[@mresch3950]

Yes, Tesla uses primarily the rear motor. BUT, only when going forward! In reverse, it will primarily use the front motor!

[@ffsolutions9442]

Loving those, guys! Keep them coming! Also looking for more winter snowy mountain trails! ⛄️

[@JonBecker81]

Male pattern baldness ➡️ double tap, double tap, double tap

[@jamespaul2587]

Yes, I had visions of the "spray on hair", Second City I think ☺️

[@TraderTaurus]

The Malin Issue with this test and Model Y in normal wettings is the back motor which is a permanent magnet, this the most efficient which should be the one pushing mostly -IF you don’t activate off-road mode

[@User-cc6cq]

Looking forward to TFL lifted Model Y offroad test.

[@andmicbro1]

Can you even lift it much with the skateboard design?

[@candlercando]

Gilbert? @9:58. Older generation will get it and I mention it in endearing jest!

[@themogget8808]

Do you have experience with Wavetrac diffs? I wonder if a front wavetrac would help the Tesla with that last test.

[@teslaw-model3]

this is actually a good idea for a slip start traction control test if you don't have the chance to run it on snow and ice. some remarks: 1. if you want best winter performance you should not take a compromise. get the world's best winter tyres. e.g. my choice at the moment is a nordic product for the model 3 performance. 2. next time try the test hammering the accelerator pedal, no need to stroke it. 3. try the same test on a winter day on an icy slope. if you get stuck, turn the steering wheel actively left and right to support moving away. looks like this is what happened to you holding the steering wheel straight and the model y tried to move itself left-right by brake control. 4. to my experience tesla offers the best traction control on the market with active motor torque control. abs/braking works similar on all cars, but tesla awd control with 2 motors for 4 wheels on acceleration is a class of its own.

[@snowrocket]

NOT in a class of it's own failing the last test. Or, it's in the class of "failed the last test"! Any 4WD or AWD vehicle with locking front and rear differentials would have easily passed these tests. Jeep Rubicon for example. Also, first gen Audi quattros with the locking center and rear diffs would have done better than this Model Y in all but the last test. Note that the first Quattro had locking center and rear diffs...in 1980.

[@teslaw-model3]

@@snowrocket the class of its own is not related to the 4 tests in this video. my reference and experience is driving with fast changing conditions from dry tarmack to icy snow or slippery crosswalks and markings even on the same street. compared to other car brands with their electric models tesla's vector control for the front induction and rear permanent magnet motor reacts actively faster and more intelligent. manual switching of a diff lock is no improvement as you can only drive short straight distances yet running the risk of damage to the gears and shafts. btw a suv is not an offroad car and the model y passed the first three tests based on its own control strategy. would be interesting to see a direct comparison of the model y and rubicon on an icy slope with proper choice of winter tyres.

[@JamesBond-qv2ht]

Interesting test. I haven’t seen this done before. Thank you.

[@MrScalman]

more important question is for how long it can do that spin stop wheels until that system overheats like other cars . everyone can do safe and nice 10 min test of car amazing AWD system and then in real world it overheats and turns off really fast.

[@mavericktruck6648]

I rented a Chevy truck the other day... Ground was wet and paved but slightly muddy...It was NOT going to go up a small incline due to "traction control" kept cutting the throttle at near idle. Glad I bought the extra insurance as it slide back into a tree and put a dent in the tail gate (small and didn't affect the use of it). My Maverick above (now sold) would spin about half of my paved drive up (not the same place the rental Chevy was at). pretty much sold me on NOT having a FWD truck...at least on wet paved inclines.

[@mattbrew11]

After seeing the mustang Mach E being even better than the Y in some first drive reviews I’d like to see it on this test.

[@bierlichen1]

Since they haven't gone head to head you can't say the Mach E is better than the Model Y. I'm not a fanboy I'm just saying. Don't act like a 10 year old.

[@AD-ev8kw]

Why did you change the tires ? Very tes you do has the tires that the car came with all season. How about road test like you have done with other AWD & 4x4 Just seen the video on snow test

[@Deuteross]

What makes this car an SUV? A taller roof? Great video, though :)

[@gvmt1]

The hatch, the elevated ride height, ground clearance, cargo space

[@wattlebough]

Crossover SUV

[@mattbrew11]

@@gvmt1 elevated ride height lmao. The Toyota Camry is higher off the ground

[@BonanzaPilot]

@@mattbrew11 It clearance is on par with something like a ford escape.

[@missilefool]

Should have had the roller on the front right wheel instead since you are in a side incline and that left wheel was high. It explains why the vehicle kept shifting to the right since thats where the incline slopes down

[@rogerheuckeroth7456]

All I know is my 2015 Model S85D was the best experience I ever had in the real world snow and ice of the Northeast. This traction control experiment was great, but I don't think it quite captures the real world feel of confidence the car gives. I now have a Performance Y, but live in South Carolina, so will probably never experience driving it in snow / ice conditions.

[@NTO4GPredator]

Cant wait for this test with the cybertruck

[@TripleBlack331]

My Y performance has a mode where you can select how much power goes to each axle. Essentially its juat reducing the power to the other axle all the way to zero. This is interesting as the front motor is a smaller, less powerful motor than the rear. So, while no power goes to the rear, the front gets all the power the one motor can produce, which is obviously less power than the overall rating. Multi-motor cars that used maximum combined power rwrings for AWD, can not send more than 50 percent of power to either axle the way some single motor cars with a center differential or front to rear drive shafts can.

[@benwahhhh]

Normal The front motor engage only when asking more power not always... There May be a snow mode to ask for real 4w drive even when driving quite

[@benwahhhh]

I ça not modify my comment but in my opinion the front motor is also less powerful At the rear you have 1 motor per wheel At the front you have 1 motor for both wheel

[@Splinky9588]

Buddy of mine has a Model 3 Performance and I'm sure he said at some point that he's able to adjust front/rear bias for power delivery. Does the Model Y not have this? It looks very clearly rear biased.

[@CraigSmith568]

I thought this car performed pretty good. Interesting to see that it is primarily rwd.

[@babybirdhome]

Only at low speeds because the rear motor has more torque and the rear has more traction. At higher speeds it’s primarily front wheel drive because the front motor is more efficient.

[@mujjuman]

I always wondered about this and came across this video... I have a M3P and it didnt do too well in snow and ice.

[@freerider604]

Could you please do the Kia K5 AWD roller test? Thx 🙏

[@bobmarsh9571]

Hated how the viewers were tricked into watching a hair loss ad embedded in the video. Disliked the video just for that shady practice.

[@WasabiPWRD]

I currently own a Subaru outback. I want to get a model y performance. We like to go to the mountains and go snowboarding all the time. How would you compare Tesla model y awd to the Subaru outback awd?? Thanks!

[@RealMrNails]

Good video. You know LR has been doing that traction mgmt in a glorious fashion since at least the Disco II

[@mandyfenter1151]

Can you please share the rims and tires that you use for winter driving?

[@robertfader3046]

next time you should actually just order the winter wheel and tire package from tesla we used to install the packages all day on model 3s in new england i have personally driven many before and after in the snow the 18in wheel and tire combo they offer typically adds range compared to the performance wheel combo with the wheel cover only it is a really nice looking wheel but you loose the added range due too the aerodynamic wheel cover

[@CocoaBob]

Basically Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD is Part-Time AWD by default. But has anyone tested after adding the Acceleration Boost upgrade (+100HP), would it become Real-Time AWD? I guess the extra 100HP comes from the front motor.

[@trenton1190]

If the ground was level on that last test it would have likely made it. Problem was too much weight was removed from the front left tire that it couldn't get traction.

[@tronderikbrekke8792]

Great testing. There's a few things I'd like to weigh in on though. First. As far as I know, no Tesla has a limited slip differential, and rely fully on braking the wheel with less friction available. So they can't really put power to what wheel they want. They can only put power to what axle they want. Not sure if the Model Y has range mode. If it does, I would urge you to do a follow up where you drive the last roller test in range mode. This sounds strange, but at least on the Model S and X driving in range mode will make it front wheel biased. Because the front motor is smaller (on a lot of models) and use a higher gear ratio to use less energy. This should probably be better to get you out of that sticky situation where you only have traction on one of the front wheels. And lastly, by default the car should drive with permanent four wheel drive if the temperature dips below 3ºC (37ºF), at least that's how Model S and X behaves. That might also impact your testing. For reference I drive a Model S with dual motor setup.

[@mujjuman]

Model 3 and Y dont have range mode unfortunately

[@siemenscs]

On another video i saw that power ratio between front and rear wheels can be adjusted from the main display. I wonder if it was set to 50/50 during this test.

[@hgodtx]

Possibly on a model X or S, but it's not on my Y