Does the Marshall 1960AX 4X12 sound like the Original? Find out here!

[@iwillnevergetone5]

the 2010 sounds fine on its own, BUT the 1971 just has a special low end warmth to it that puts it ahead !

[@drittal]

1971 was sooooo much better in the recording.

[@carlhart9604]

Old cab is meaty and balanced, the new one nasal and thin. Some vintage stuff costs more for a real reason 👌

[@JohanSegeborn]

It certainly does :-)

[@willroland9811]

Cause the high freqs are the first to fall as time marches on perhaps? Don't think I'll be paying 2-3 times the $for some I can roll off with a tone knob...P.T. Barnum was the smartest man ever. He understood the nature of man better than Freud and Nitchie combind...every minute. Yep.

[@nikomailand1576]

@@JohanSegeborn Johan, is the newer cab "played in"? Because that can make a HUGE difference tonally.

[@karlmoore6354]

the 70's one sounds so much better, the new one is way too bright.

[@davidfellows6250]

I try not to be that big of a snob and usually think in old vr new comparense that the new one is just as good here not so much. I do a lot of speaker swaps as i beleive they make the biggest easiest change in your amps tone.so old one wins by a shitload to me. Pissed i usually have to get by with the cheaper new one but if we,er just talking tone........

[@tonywissler5758]

Finally had a chance to listen - wow, what a difference! The newer one introduces some fizzy high end. Sounds way harsher - also sounds more scooped on the mids.

[@crazykong5246]

The 1971 is so much smoother. 2010 lacks a balanced sound. I'd still play either in a heartbeat.

[@streetrockusa]

Its crazy how different the top end and mids are. The vintage stuff really is magical.

[@Honeythebeebee]

Vintage stuff is old and used, that's all.

[@MariJu1ce]

@@Honeythebeebee no way the new speakers are gonna sound like the vintage ones when they are used. They sound like totally different speaker models.

[@Honeythebeebee]

@@MariJu1ce Who knows? It obvious that these old speakers (and amps) sounded brighter back in the days

[@joshuakozee5719]

That song in the begining is awesome dude! The bass part especially opens it up a lot, EVERYONE CALL OUT JOHAN FOR A SECOND ALBUM!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend, it will be my pleasure!

[@orbitaljellyfish808]

Would love to hear something featuring a superbass, that vintage ABR on the reissue les paul, and the older cabinet in this vid!

[@DMSProduktions]

VERY Sticky Fingers era KEEF!

[@MrWilly2204]

Original wins. Hands down. Deeper, more complex, less grainy/harsh, fuller. No contest.

[@Gilmourizing]

Thanks for this comparison. The difference is far beyond I'd expect. I can see that the mic placement is a little different between old and new. In the new one it`s closer to center. It should contribute for the difference we are hearing.

[@shovelrocker7102]

Was thinking about getting myself one of those new 4x12 cabs with greenback speakers but after hearing this i now know why i didn't like the 1960ax cab that i once had, so I won't be buying anything. Thank you for this video!

[@RobCabreraCh]

Forget the cabinets, that song was really tasty Johan! Now back to the cabs, that 71 sounds so sweet on the mid range. It's mellow, it's smooth and I want one. That being said, I think that new one would compliment a heavier rock tone a little better. Great video Johan!

[@killersajmon]

I bought my first real Marshall today! 1987x after years watching this channel. Thanks Johan!

[@MrJarred78]

I'm diggin this jam...the 71 for sure.

[@mikaelforss5725]

Let me say....the 1971 1960A sounds like a how a good old Whiskey taste, the 2010 is moonshine. Nuff said. Great played as always. Cheers from Jamtland Sweden

[@megalodon8473]

Excellent comparison! Gonna go have me a little whiskey... thanks for the inspiration!

[@Dagger_323]

LOL Perfect analogy!

[@orbitaljellyfish808]

Huge difference. The old cab’s sound is much more musical. Excellent vid and playing, once again 👏👏

[@1sttvbn]

They both sound great, and great playing as well.

[@ahankararockband]

Yeah, and all those guys gloryfying vintage go over the band. New is good, brighter so what?

[@Burkhimself]

Wow. It’s so different to me, that if I didn’t know, I’d assume the speakers were “a different type”.....great vid. Of course I enjoyed the older one....much more “girth” to my ears.

[@VisivisiV]

Sounds like whoever was in charge of that AX project has lost most of their hearing in the upper frequencies.

[@sneifert1968]

Have the 1960 AC 4x12 ( 25 W greenbacks. 100W at 16ohm) got it back in around 2001. Love it paired with my Marshall JCM2000 TSL 60 head.

[@pppaulie73]

The old one is warmer, has more voice. Great playing as usual!

[@hotmilkcrewberlin4475]

Very cool song and the pocket is great! Cab, 1970 by far

[@justaguyinadress]

@Johan Segeborn I watch a lot of guitar/tone/review videos to inform myself on what I am looking for in my own tone search. There are dozens of videos that have very capable and even virtuosic guitar players and despite the high level of playing ability, composing in these videos often falls flatter than flat. Opinion is subjective, yes, but one thing that makes your videos so great is your songwriting ability. That is to say, the licks, the riffs and the balance of the "band" to play in it's respective role in a completely digestible way. That and the simple approach you take for recording. I love the drums sound in this one. That kick has sooooo much character. This track has been playing in my mind for 3 days! As always, great work!

[@zachariahwade8482]

I’ve got a 68 B cab with the original Greenbacks and I’ve had 2 1960ax cabs, one with English reissue Greenbacks and the other with Chinese. This video sums up the differences perfectly. The 1960ax is a decent cab but it just hasn’t got the midrange to handle authentic vintage tones.

[@proton45]

I was actually surprised to hear that the newer cab, with the newer speakers, had a vintage green back meets blackback vibe. I could actually imagine getting a convincing AC/DC (Highway era ) tone.

[@oyvey8526]

Johan great video, But i wasnt surprised of the results. Celestion moved their basic line of speakers production to their plant in china somewhere in 2003. Leaving only the heritage series, alnico gold, blue and Mesa's V30 version to still being produced in the UK. Which means that the v30s, g75t12 creambacks and greenbacks are being produced in china with different cone sizes and materials, hence the big difference in sound! However there are some good news, apparently some v30s "marshall label" are still being produced in the UK but only in some of the 1960av and bv models across the UK.

[@tz8559]

There is nothing better than G12M T221 75Hz 003 Pre Rola Speakers.....!!!! LOVE my 4x12 from 1969 speakers and my 4x12 from 1970 speakers... its the speakers.... i got rid of the old stinky cabs and put them in new cabs - HEAVEN..... dont know why people buy these speakers like crazy they are worth every penny and i think they are almost as gold as a vintage amp itself

[@mack1mus]

Love this mate!! The 71 for me, but great riff sounds, rocking out with the band

[@jussioman]

They are basicly two different speakers. The modern greenback is so bright and trebly that it sounds like a different model. I tried newer greenbacks with my JCM 800 but was more satisfied with darker sounding speakers such as g12-65 and WGS et65.

[@philipharrauer9103]

The Reissue Cab sounds brighter and more open but i like the original more! Great as always! Regards from Austria!👌Great tones!

[@dogfalcon]

I love when your cam shakes! The power is there! Older: a bit more mid range. New one: more scooped. But let the cab breath for more 20 years. :) The new one is already broken? Nonetheless, the TONE is astonishing. No one is better than another. You should do an album. So cool and refresh! Cheers,

[@BarnacleButtock]

Haven't even watched the video but I know the answer is already: No. But does that mean it sounds bad? It's up to your ears 👂😁

[@tommyboyce]

Yes, the 2010 does indeed sound bad relative to the 1971.

[@DMSProduktions]

I had a 73, used to turn to mush after about 15 mins!

[@LEgoiste]

Really enjoyed the playing, great sounds and I’m going to have to go for the original. Just sounded so right.

[@BrunoMarianoCS]

Sounds like the 2010 has the mic placed closer to the center of the speaker.

[@texacaster]

Would love hear both cabs in stereo. I bet it would be wicked! Great video. Thank you!

[@isaacjohnson.]

Excellent song Johan! Love it, and loved getting to hear these in the mix. Both individually sound great, and would be an awesome tone to have. The 1970 cab just sounded clearer and less harsh, much preferred over the newer cab. The 2010 cab while still a great tone, did seem to have a little more edge to it and a bit more treble. Love the band!

[@glisteningkabana8154]

Cheers for the comparison Johan, you always do a great musical demo! Hope you’re well man🤘Vintage cab for me😊

[@marshallgibson8872]

Pretty spot on. I've got a 2000 1960ax and a mid 70s check 1960b with later 1978 black backs 75hz. I think I might swap in 2 out of each to balance out the two cabs and see how it sounds

[@marcospintor1333]

I actually liked the newer one. It let a lot of the high end from the strat through. But I think if i were playing rock with a lot of Overdrive like acdc, I’d prefer the warmness from the old one.

[@vmc37]

Wow! Missing the kids big time in the new cab. Great stuff Johan!

[@robbierussell9536]

Wow. I love it.. Hendrix tone all the way.. awesome amp Johan!!!!!!

[@goneflying140]

All these years I have been buying and selling guitars, trying to get "that" sound. What I finally realized is that the guitar has less to do with good tone than a good amp and cabinet. I now have a Friedman BE100, and this same vintage Mashall cabinet with greenbacks, and even the cheap Indonesian strats and teles sound good through it. My Les Paul, well that goes into the amazing category through my new rig...

[@enghp351]

The 20 watt new greenback sounds much more like the old 25 watt than the new 25 watt speaker. I would love to hear the new 20w vs old 25w comparison!!! I think the cabinet is fine.

[@verachuckdave]

matt whit Id like to hear Johan do that comparison for sure !

[@stevenmgyori3826]

I Do so enjoy your split screen mixes! Thanks for using the single coils! Well done and thanks for sharing brother! Be Well Johan! Oh the Cabs? Love them both of course!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Brother, glad you like the format! Cheers!

[@davidcaro8217]

The older one all year long pal! Thanks for another great 'vs' demo

[@jakewilliams5796]

I don't know, hearing the "71 next to the '10 made the 2010 cab sound awful fizzy and harsh. Thank you Johan for another great video.

[@jimv4236]

Johan, another great video. You are amazing. For me, I favor the older cabinet, but both sound nice.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Jim! :-)

[@turrafirmaguitarchannel]

Just enjoying your great tune this time around!! Am thinking of buying a new greenback to mix with cream back 65 and put the second cream back in a 1x 12 cab to replace a Celestine 70/80.

[@TempoDrift1480]

Digging the sound of that bass drum.

[@SAGERODS250REM]

The old cab is my favorite like others have said, but the new one ain't to shabby either. Cheers from northwest Canada.

[@timmyv694]

To me both cabs sounded good clean. The difference was with dirt the newer cab sounded a little brittle compared to the original which I might add sounded amazing especially with you playing through it. You play some tasty tunes man!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks man, great to hear that!

[@tomsvintagegear]

Very nice sound and grooves Johan !!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Tom!

[@ScarredPredator]

Killer riffs! You are a living legend Mr. Segeborn!

[@frankmonk9122]

Johan your music sounds great like the old vinyls. Greetings from Argentina.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend, you make my day!

[@jppagetoo]

Upper mid bump on the newer cabinet. Both are great, just different.

[@Andy_Yates]

You make me want to pick up my guitar Johan! Have a great week!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Andy, you make my day man!

[@StangDGB]

I really try hard to not be "That guy" that strictly like old gear because it's cool. That being said those older cabs and speakers have consistently impressed me every time Johan has played them. Also, Johan, that was great playing as always! Cheers!!!

[@fasteddie8782]

I actually have one of those British cabs with the sticker on the bottom right.. I find myself playing the blues Junior more than the Marshall... Now we know why... Like if you listen to some of the Allman Brothers stuff from the 7071 days... Turn the Blue sky solos it was like they were ringing the bell... And you can kind of hear it in these cabinets that you got there the the old one sounds so much different thank you

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks!

[@stevendobias2960]

Not even close. Love the 1971 version better. Once again an awesome demo!

[@RodneyWallaceDynamoC]

Fortunately now there are vintage cab impulses that can get you there, besides that it's nearly impossible to own a vintage cab. Thanks Johan for showing this to us 😉, great!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hi Rodney! We should do a Cab Vs corresponding IR video here soon! Cheers

[@RodneyWallaceDynamoC]

@@JohanSegeborn Awesome! Looking forward to watching that one 😊. Thanks again

[@Twobarpsi]

The 71, sounds a lot smoother. The 2010, is harsher and more trebly, in an abrasive way.

[@ChristopherFreedom]

The originals are warmer.. smoother and fuller.. the re-issues are more shrill and a bit thinner... Great Post

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks man!

[@Richard_P_James]

Love the 71 cabinet :-) Thank you for doing this essential comparison - such a pity the new Marshall cabinets just don't sound as good. I have tried custom cabinets from other makers that use seasoned wood for the cabinets, with a real attention to detail with the joins on the corners, type of wood glue, grill cloth material, etc. It all makes a difference but cost more of course.

[@guitarzilla]

I agree with most of the comments that the reissue is a bit thin, but that may have something to do with the amp that it is paired up with. One thing I have learned from watching so many demos on this channel is the combination of amp and cab creates the tone, so maybe an amp more pronounced in mods and mid lows would have a better result.

[@Joey.Darkwoods-Studio]

Great Marshall collection Johan!

[@averyadrian1534]

50 year old vs. 10 year old speakers gonna be smoother

[@jcoulter43]

Had to miss the premier due to work. But, I love your playing in a mix. I think the Original sounds best, but I wouldn't throw out the new one. It may sound a bit smoother with a humbucker equipped guitar. The Strat showed how spiky the highs were on the new cab/speakers. Great video as always bro! God bless.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks brother! I will do Les Paul version of the video too soon. Cheers

[@alanst.4417]

Johan Segeborn god bless ;-) Exactly what I'm waiting for!

[@ZachKyew]

It sounds almost like the reissue is making up for the shrill high end that was present in early Marshalls that just aren’t in modern amps. That top end is why we love a Marshall, though.

[@stephengrillos]

I listed first without watching so I wouldn't be biased towards vintage. Then watched to see which was which. Man, that 71 all day long. Guess I am saving up for a vintage one instead of the newish one I just found on CL :(

[@cliveclive54]

The Segeborn Brothers strike again!! 1971 for me Johan,great comparison mate \m/

[@mrflipperflopper3495]

The 2010 grinded more... When you turned the volume up it got in Blackmore territory with your strat Out of phase setting ..... I would of loved it in front of a Friedman O.D wah and MXR Carbon copy... perhaps a chorus/ univibe.. Then let’s your Song ! ✌️✌️✌️✌️🤘🤘 Bice job as always !

[@TheAxe4Ever]

The camera tells the story. When he’s playing the riff in the lower register, see how the older cab and speakers makes the camera rumble. The newer cab with the reissues doesn’t have the thump to do that. I’m just curious. Since cabinet resonance is a real thing, I wonder if putting the original speakers in the re-issue cabinet would sound the same as the older speakers in the older cabinet. It just makes me wonder if the construction of the cabinet and the wood that was used in the old cabinet is playing a big role in the tone as well. Hmm...

[@tonedriverss8629]

Different to one another for sure , older is warmer , but both good . But the band and tune is so very excellent ! Who are those guys ! LOL Great clip again my friend ! Always the best to be found here ....... lets go !

[@andreas5153]

Good point, but the mike on the 1960AX is placed closer to the center than on the original. That makes the reissue sound brighter. On the other hand, I have experienced that reissued greenbacks sound a bit harsh compared to originals. In this case I think the comparison is a bit unfair, and set to the extreme because of the mike positioning.

[@eddygib]

i have notice that. 1cm at that point make a huge diference... the 71 sounded way better but i can hear the mic placement position... i still cant say the real diference between booth

[@edthejester]

As you said the difference is obvious. The original wins by miles and miles. And that song deserves to be on an album. With vocals.

[@Dagger_323]

Those new Celestions just don’t compare to the originals... if you put Scumbacks in that modern cab though, the sound would be a million times closer!

[@roddyrockstar]

I have a 2016CX cab 2X12 I bought with stock G12H30: sounded good but too much "in your face". replaced them by G12M25 like those in the 2010 cab, sounded good, but still harsh with a lot of fizz (I play it with a 18W EL84 amp). the solution : Celestion A Type speakers!!! I wish Johan would test those speakers (A type) as I think they deserve more attention than they get. Rod

[@chrislangdell117]

71 sounded warm and creamy..smooth like butter. Something is different. There is the age of the wood to consider. The thickness of the tolex to consider as well as the glues used to hold the toilet down. Then of course the actual wood species used in the plywood for the 71 cab.. I have never been a fan of the greenback reissue. There are better speakers that replicate the original greenbacks much better. Great comparison. Love it.

[@chrislangdell117]

Tolex. Not toilet

[@Lu_Woods]

Wow...Day and night difference. The '71 sounds like a warm summer day. Great groove. Have you thought about sharing an Impulse Response of your '71 1960A ? That would be so fun to play with. Thanks as always.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Lu! Hopefully I will do an Impulse response video soon and then we can document some of the cabs.

[@Lu_Woods]

That would be awesome. Thanks for the reply :)

[@DaniMustangMeazzi]

Love the vintage grill cloth!

[@chrishenderson9130]

The Johan brothers just kick ass!

[@schminker0278]

Sounds like more mids from the 71 and I preferred that, but without the comparison, the AX sounded cool too.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah the 71 has a fuller better balanced tone

[@taxo]

The vintage one sounds way better, sweeter, smoother and less ear fatigue inducing , but I'd love to hear both in a heavier context, and maybe a fuller mix. Between the two the newer one would likely cut far better thanks to those rawer high mids which deliver far more presence.

[@MrFazvieira]

Johan - thanks for your videos, it's always awesome to watch and learn. I wonder if you didn't have to compensate the head eq with more treble and less middle for the old speakers. If you want the same warmth tone with the new cab, would you be able to achieve it with a different eq?

[@PeterhoveOlsen]

Best channel on youtube!!!... would be awesome to if you could test some of the other greenback clones to see if there is some that comes closer to the original

[@swanpond14]

Yeah, the vintage one is better sounding to my ear for sure. By the way, this track is awesome. Love the groove you've got going and that little overdriven riff is awesome.

[@nylonsteel]

Yea the older one is warmer but the newer one cuts easy in a mix.Can always eq to taste

[@rgamps5726]

The winner of this shootout are the pulsonic cones... I wish celestion would get serious about recreating them. Smoother - more musical... those reissues are harsh in comparison. Thanks for the side by side - great stuff...

[@patrickrosington1174]

I dont understand how In 2020 they can make them identical to the vintage ones they should even be able to account for wear. Like wtf. Scumback is the closest I've found. I cant afford really pulsonic cones. I have ONE of them on a 2x12 with scumback H55 for my jtm45. But I want to fill my 1960a with pulsonic greenies and but golds in my 2x12

[@EXPbandNL]

Old cab is the clear winner imo esp with crunchier tones, cleans are good on both.Thanks for focusing more on strat & M greenbacks instead of humbucker guitars with H greenbacks like you used to as I'm a big strat over plexi/G12M evangelist. Though I'm curious how the old cab would stand up to cab loaded with a broken in set of Heritage Greenbacks in this same setting. The Heritage G12M's are significantly better sounding than the regular reissues (I'm not so impressed by the Hertiage G12H but I do like the Heritage G12Ms a lot). Keep up the good work ♫ Karst & EXP // Amsterdam // The Netherlands

[@GutyRodrigues]

By the way, your drumming is getting serious Johan, congrats man!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks man! You make my day!

[@fernandes5986]

Hi Johan, definetely another great tune for your future LP, kinda remind me of the Stones at times. See ya on next wednesday. Cheers.

[@JacknCocaine]

The 1971 sound more lively and open to me. The 2010 sounds a bit nasal in direct compare. Both sound great, though. I play a 1960AX from the late 90`s myself and still love this cab. Great compare, love it! Keep it up, Johan \\M//

[@EdwardT9]

Great song, I really liked the sound and the tune and the way it was mixed. As for the cabs, I was disappointed that the 2010 version sounded so harsh! for further tests, may be close mic each of the 4 speakers in the vintage cab to see if the great sound is consistent. Repeat with reissue. Cheers!

[@d.sandell2555]

I don't know why it is but the older ones always sound sweeter to me with a touch more clarity

[@roncarter2188]

1971 has sweet smooth tone, I like that one.

[@odgeUK]

The AX is loaded with the Chinese G12Ms right? But in the Metropolous vid 'Metropoulos G12M Speaker Shootout 2013' the Chinese reissue compares very well with a reference G12M from 1967. I just don't know what to believe!

[@seansmith6455]

The vintage one sounds amazing. The reissue sounds like the 4x12 version of a Pignose.

[@douglask.carvalho8393]

By the way, nice play Johan! Strat suited fine for you.

[@SuperGaryBurns]

Hey Man ! I have a similar 71 , but I actually prefer to use my original 1979 JCM 800 4x12 loaded with G12-65``s when I use a Marshall 100w head. Unless I use the Silver Jubilee ( 1987) , then you have to go for a vintage 30`s 4x12 cab.

[@CTBlaze]

I would like to SEE frequency response curves for both... I bet they extended the newer speaker in the upper range... hence the more detailed audibility of artefacts of the gain structure.

[@CTBlaze]

Vintage stuff usually is more limited, and guitarists seem to be drawn to this. When I play my 4x10" Jensen Alnico Cab, it also sounds very warm and full etc. But I'm also missing some harmonics in the upper range, sometimes.

[@Tenima78]

So much différence cannot only be mojo ?!?! So amazed how unbalanced sound the new ones compared to the olders. Great video and song which remind me in a good way "we are familly" ! Cheers

[@siegfriedwashburn3484]

Hi, Johan! Don't know why, but the model of 2010 sounds good with 1960 AX, but the sound itself is very respectful! I like it. See you, Zigfrid

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Zigfrid! See you