Does the Present Tense of Believe for Eternal Salvation Mean or Require Continual belief?

[@Looker4522]

Super! The woman at the well is the best response to this question and you covered it beautifully. Keep teaching!

[@TheLaymansSeminary]

Thanks guys!

[@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018]

The Spirit is in you and with you forever.

[@michaelparsons7474]

Simple answer: No. When a person drinks of the living water, then he will never thirst for "the gift of God," namely, everlasting life. In other words, a person has and will always have everlasting life the moment he believes in Jesus.

[@2Chronicles714_]

So a believer can become a satanist and God will welcome that person into His Kingdom? Will God have to allow him to worship satan in front of the angels the Son and Himself?

[@soljos1190]

​​​@@2Chronicles714_ You've asked that question multiple times before , and been shown the utter Impossibility of your scenario in the coming Kingdom . So , your loaded question is Objectively mistaken to begin with . Worse yet , you seem to think your Filthy , Vile , Horrific , and disgusting sins...are "better than" your hypothetical "Satanist" , or certainly any Free Gracer . You've consigned Zane Hodges to Hell already - multiple times - presumably by the same Behavioral Metric nowhere found in the pages of Scripture . Questions you've Never answered before : 1. When you sin , are you 24/7/365 "Continuously believing in Jesus". 2. When you sin , are you "worshipping Satan" or God ? 3. When you sin , do you Lose or Forfeit Temporary Conditional Probationary life , or Everlasting Life ? 4. How many of your sins (that glorify Satan) did Jesus Judicially Propitiate ?

[@karinecarde1254]

Seriously, what a beside the point question this is. Once the Holy Spirit is in you, how can one stop believing? One would have to quench the Holy Spirit hard and continuously and live like the devil and never be in the Word or even speaking with Him. . God is so present, He cannot be ignored.

[@michaelparsons7474]

It is possible for a person to believe in Jesus, then later question whether He is the Christ. In fact, it happened to John the Baptist. See Mt. 11:1-2.

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@@michaelparsons7474 John the Baptist simply asked IF Jesus was the Messiah. He never doubted.

[@freegraceau]

Tell me you’ve never experienced the atrocities of war without telling me.

[@2Chronicles714_]

They don't believe in repentance so their sins are not forgiven therefore they don't have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, so it's easy to say you can stop believing but are still a believer.

[@freegraceau]

@@2Chronicles714_ show me a verse that says we must repent of our sins and believe in Jesus to receive eternal life.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Apparently Jesus got it wrong. John 16:1 All this I have told you so that you will not fall away.

[@soljos1190]

Doesn't say : "Fall away FOREVER and Lose/Forfeit Temporary Conditional Probationary life because of your lack of a Lifetime of turning from all sins" ... As you undoubtedly affirm , inferentially . Not ONE VERSE in the entirety of Scripture affirms your 5 Part Performance Contract till death as a means of Earning , Meriting , being paid with , being rewarded with... ...the Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life .

[@freegraceau]

You clearly don’t have the basics of logic and language mastered yet. Just stop bro.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@freegraceau I get it. Simply utter I believe in Jesus at some point in your life and you can live anyway you want even worse than you were before,because OSAS.. I fully understand it's complete nonsense.

[@freegraceau]

@ lol you don’t get it at all 😭😂 further proving my point.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@freegraceau Jude 4 was written for free gracers For certain individuals WHOSE CONDEMNATION WAS WRITTEN ABOUT LONG AGO HAVE SECRETLY SLIPPED IN AMONG YOU THEY ARE UNGODLY PEOPLE WHO PERVERT THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY AND DENY JESUS CHRIST OUR ONLY SOVEREIGN AND LORD. Perfectly describes free grace theology.

[@2Chronicles714_]

A child could understand that IF you stop believing then you are not a believer. Nowhere in scripture does it say whoever believed even for a brief moment and becomes a satanist will be welcomed into the kingdom of God as Bob claimed in debate on OSAS. According to Charles Ryrie,Hodges had a friend who departed the faith and Zane was unable unable to bring him back and the friend died in that condition so Hodges came up with this you can be an unbelieving believer to accommodate his dead friend. We don't have the authority to change God's word. Revelation 21:8 living Bible But cowards who turn back from following me, and those who are unfaithful to me, and the corrupt, and m-rdurers, and the immoral, and those conversing with demons, and idol worshipers and all liars-their doom is in the Lake that burns with fire and sulphur. This is the Second Death.” The second d-ath is the lake of fire. Revelation 20:14 And D-ath and Hell were thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is the Second D-ath-the Lake of Fire.

[@soljos1190]

@2Chronicles714_ Does Revelation 21:8 Teach That Unbelievers Will Be in the Lake of Fire Because of Their Sins? June 9, 2022 by Bob Wilkin in Blog - judged according to works, Revelation 20:12-13, Revelation 21:8 Jeff asked a follow-up question about a recent blog I wrote entitled, “Where Did Chafer Say We Don’t Have a Sin Problem; We Have a Son Problem?” See here. Jeff said, However, Rev 21:8 seems to fly in the face of that thinking, making the saying [unbelievers don’t have a sin problem, they have a Son problem] inaccurate at best: “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” It seems like, based on this verse, that the following is true: Their sins are imputed to them. They do need to deal with their sin problem. The book of works can be defined as their sins. And, The reason they are in the lake of fire is their sin, and not just their unbelief. I wrote on Rev 21:6-8 previously. See here. But Jeff’s question is a bit different, and therefore I will discuss the ramifications of Rev 21:8. Revelation 21:6-8 describes three different types of people: the believer who gets into the kingdom but who will not reign with Christ (v 6), the overcoming believer who will rule with Christ (v 7), and the unbeliever who will be excluded from the kingdom and will spend eternity in the lake of fire (v 8). The same three groups are seen in Rev 22:14-17, though the order is different: the overcomers who will rule with Christ (v 14), the unbelievers who are outside the kingdom (v 15), and the believer who has simply received the water of life (v 17). At the end of Revelation 21, the Lord reveals that outside the kingdom will be all sinners, whose names are not in the Book of Life (Rev 21:27). The key is the Book of Life. People in the Book of Life will be in the kingdom. People not in the Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:15; 21:27). The way people get into the Book of Life is by believing in Jesus for everlasting life (e.g., Luke 10:20; Phil 4:3). Unbelievers die in their sins (John 8:24). That means they will forever be in bondage to sin and will forever be sinners. To say that there will be no sinners in the kingdom is to say that only those in the Book of Life will be in the kingdom. Unbelievers are not excluded from the kingdom because they sinned in this life. (We did too!) They are excluded because they are not in the Book of Life. (We are!) There are consequences for the deeds they did in this life. The degree to which they will be tormented will depend on their works. Now let’s answer Jeff’s four points directly: First, the word translated impute is logizomai. It means “to credit something to someone” (BDAG). That is, our sins were credited to Jesus (2 Cor 5:21) and His righteousness is credited to all who believe in Him (2 Cor 5:21). The NT never refers to one’s own sin being imputed to himself. But, if I understand Jeff’s point, yes, unbelievers do have bad deeds that will be reviewed in the book of deeds (Rev 22:12). They will be evaluated as deeds (according to Rev 20:12-13), not as sins per se. Second, since they reject the free gift of everlasting life, they will be in the lake of fire. But their degree of torment there will be based on their works (not their sins). That does include their bad deeds. Third, the book of deeds is not a book of sins. It is called a book of works (Rev 20:12-13). Works are both good and bad. It is wrong to think that an unbeliever will only have bad deeds on his record. Unbelievers will have lots of good deeds in the books. Think of all of the people who never believed in Jesus for everlasting life and yet who fed the hungry, healed the sick, visited the prisoners, loved their spouses and children and neighbors, etc. Since unbelievers still retain the image of God, they do good works. Didn’t the Lord Jesus say that even unbelieving parents give good gifts to their children (Luke 11:11)? Fourth, the reason they will be in the lake of fire will be solely because they never believed in Jesus and hence never got their names in the Book of Life (Rev 20:15). However, the degree of torment they will experience in the lake of fire will be directly related to their works, both good and bad.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Didn't you just read it? Why do you run to see what Wilkin says it really means. It's total confusion. Scripture doesn't need opinion.

[@soljos1190]

​@@2Chronicles714_ Children Never Whip Out their Credit Cards when handed a Birthday or Christmas Gift . You're literally saying that they MUST NECESSARILY do so , and also they MUST NECESSARILY sign a Performance Contract - till death - in order to receive that Free and Never Deserving Gift . That's REALLY what you're affirming in your Working for a Free and Never Deserving Gift Theological proposition .

[@Robert-r4s4c]

You can lose salvation by committing a grave sin without repentance constituting self-exclusion from God.

[@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018]

Never does Lord Jesus promise what you are saying, but just the opposite. " Some are weak and sickly among you, and some have falling asleep."

[@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018]

Nothing shall separate us from the love of God. Do you hear Lord Jesus, nothing. Now, what do you say to Him!

[@Robert-r4s4c]

@@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018 You are unable to interpret the Scriptures correctly because you are not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

[@soljos1190]

​@@Robert-r4s4c A child understands that they don't sign a Lifetime Performance Contract (all Terms and Conditions Never disclosed) in order to receive their Birthday or Christmas Gift . Everlasting Life is only received at a moment in time , with Endless Consequence , based alone on the Giver of the Forever Gift . Instead , you've got it all Reversed . So , on your Object and Content of your "faith" , your successful completion of the 5 Part Performance Contract till death is the Object and Content that will ultimately DESERVE Kingdom entrance . Though Objective and Doubtless Certitude of your Everlasting destination is Perpetually elusive to you . So , your "faith" is Not in Him as the Guarantor of the endless Gift , but in your behavioral performance (works) till death . Couldn't be a clearer example of self righteous Idolatry masquerading as Christianity this side of eternity .

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@soljos1190 He that endures to the end, the same will be saved.-Jesus.