Does this RLCS team deserve to be BANNED? | FURIA accused of THROWING

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[@italianbasegard]

7:16 “Yeah they’re playing really dumb, but they always play dumb” Best synopsis of this entire nothing burger lol

[@dingadunga]

mid sypnosis ngl

[@collinbradford8866]

Yan no airroll hitting at the opponent rather than teammate upfield...

[@hi_fox]

Yeah, reviewing each clip individually and saying "oh they just missed" wow, great way to do it. Instead, realise that they missed like 30 different chances across the series alongside huge rotational blunders and not airrolling or challenging correctly. It's 100% sus

[@gunter6377]

@@hi_fox I recommend you watch vitality vs furia quarterfinal major 1; that was some atrocious play from furia. Were they throwing at the major to screw up complexity? When this team is playing bad it looks ridiculous, the amount of backflips, misses, poor touches, giving up of possession and just bad gameplan is already bad in the first minute of game 1

[@verybored2416]

That’s a horrible synopsis. Yall are holding FURIA to a lower standard than YMC. So can YMC not play bad but Furia can? even tho bad Furia is still 100x better than peak YMC? Furias just isn’t that obvious bc they aren’t throwing to help themselves

[@Lucasberrin]

I may be an avid Complexity fan, but as Groval said in one of his streams, FURIA came into Qual #5 with only a few hours of grinding (he told us that Yanx had 25 hrs on RL prior to that regional). FURIA threw because of not having enough hours of grinding since they were comfortable in literally 1st place.

[@jtBassin.]

what??

[@ak3jmi368]

😂😂

[@hero-gaming_yt8377]

Exactly, they weren't throwing on purpose, they were throwing out of whatever-you-said.

[@neinvoltgaming5588]

There’s a massive difference between not trying your hardest to win and intentionally trying to lose. If Furia’s coming in with absolutely nothing to play for because their spot is secured and as a result they’re not locked in and not sweating in comms, yeah they’re probably going to not look like Furia. That’s not throwing, that’s just being unprepared.

[@dylb0t]

I hate to be that guy, but TECHNICALLY the official rules say you have to put forth 100% effort every game. If you’re not full try-harding and taking it seriously, you ARE breaking the rules

[@gunter6377]

@@dylb0t teams don't go completely serious all the time, specially when they are winning

[@dylb0t]

@@gunter6377 yeah, I know. My comment was more so to point out that the rule is a little ambiguous. It’s just kind of a weird technicality

[@Ben-gd4db]

According to the rules they are considered the same, by trolling and fucking around you're affecting the positions of other teams and their qualification chances. If they get investigated and they judge Furia to not have been trying their hardest to win, they will be banned

[@hamzazilani6398]

Bro that yan ceiling shot was so sus, only acceptable explanation is either lag or controller because no pro messes up a free ceiling shot setup LIKE THAT with 100 boost especially the most mechanical player in the region

[@miniariu8899]

i mean i see it more like he didn’t get enough momentum to reach the ceiling barely, not rly sus but like a tiny mistake in hit boost useage

[@s7md280]

@@miniariu8899 no words can explain how tf he missed the ceiling landing

[@hamzazilani6398]

@@s7md280 exactly. If he landed late or awkwardly it would’ve been an explainable mistake but in all my years of watching pro rl I’ve never seen someone miss the ceiling landing like that

[@pythin2040]

Thats def a stretch, theyre humans and not robots, the clip is super short and its a pretty minor miss

[@hhaste]

IDK, that's fairly easy to mess up.. it look's like he thought he was going to hit the ceiling earlier than he did and just kept holding backwards, to get anticipate the next touch, which would have required him to hold backwards off the ceiling jump but.. then again, a pro should always be able to do that, unless he got distracted by something. Either way, Johnny dismissed that one too quick.

[@maxanderson8329]

I think that there's a lot of questionable plays but tbh it looks more like a bad day or not taking things 100% seriously. If its throwing then tbh it's the most well done ever.

[@AfonsodelCB]

yeah imagine banning a team for not being motivated in a game that means less than nothing to them, big difference between not being pumped and throwing

[@maxanderson8329]

@@AfonsodelCB I'm sure it means a lot to them, but kinda like G2 after they clinched, they messed around a bit I bet. The difference between G2 and Furia is that Furia is already super aggressive so it made them worse

[@xsah2]

@@maxanderson8329I think they literally just did not care if they won or lost the game they weren't purposely throwing but they weren't sweating which is why people are upset

[@inf3rnal_embers145]

Not even just that. Did you watch the resolve vs vitality series last tournament? That was some of the worst defense and decision making I have ever seen but nobody says anything about it because there is no clear potential motive. The reality is that teams just have off days, and sometimes really bad ones.

[@collinbradford8866]

They played other games this day though right? And also still had prize money to play for

[@lionsfanvickery6010]

If those are throwing, you could take any game and look at the losing team. There is going to be mistakes. He just outlined every little mistake furia had.

[@Master.skelly]

johnny is saying its not throwing

[@anthonydahl3858]

No there’s no way you watch professional rocket league yeah teams make mistakes but never in my life even from multiple multiple years ago when players where much worse have I ever seen this bad of mistakes and there were so many were it goes from being a coincidence to being evidence

[@Master.skelly]

@@anthonydahl3858 the fact you completely rule out human error and miscommunication to believe that these pros are so good that they are intentionally making all these mistakes would probably make the players happy to think they are that perfect lol, mistakes happen dude, teams dont communicate enough sometimes, ssg had a few matches like this when it was daniel retals and arsenal, they just didnt communicate

[@anthonydahl3858]

@@Master.skelly bro you clearly don’t know how good pros are pros on there worst day would still be in the top 0.01 percent im GC and even I would never make this many bad mistakes yeah one or 2 but all of them no it don’t matter how bad im playing they are playing stupid and unskilled you don’t just all of a sudden play hella stupid

[@Master.skelly]

@@anthonydahl3858 i have been gc3 in the past and have seen people have bad matches man it happens, i myself had some matches where i just couldnt play

[@marklarz4399]

If true Complexity fans will be furious

[@willmehfoud1378]

Furia-ous ****

[@d0ntgiveasht247]

@@willmehfoud1378 ..............

[@mythikalgaming1608]

Complexity has already dismissed these claims as speculation i think. Few truly think it was purposeful

[@spillanegottleib1681]

Improper usage of modus ponens, forming a tautological fallacy.

[@willmehfoud1378]

@@spillanegottleib1681 THIS ACTUALLY HAS ME ROLLING😭😭 Shout out to Discrete Math and Computer Science

[@spixxy1751]

Are those clips all one series? If so (whilst alot of clips looked normal) it did not seem normal overall... felt like too many misses / bad touches that they didnt even somehow try to hit / hit good for such a world class team... but on the other side teams can have incredibly bad days too so its hard to proove such shit if not done on the YMC level

[@dom3833]

This is my point, for one game these mistakes could be written off. But this team is top in the world and plays like this a whole series? Not even air rolling is straight ridiculous they were clearly not trying.

[@twistedtide]

what my question is, the only reason this is even an argument right now is because Complexity had a shitty 2nd split... if they wanna blame someone they should blame themselves for letting this even be an argument

[@xanboyyy]

@@dom3833 wdym with the air roll? The air roll wasn't nessesarry, just because you developed bad habits of over airrolling for shots, doesn't mean it's throwing when other pro's don't.

[@Flugs0]

@@dom3833 Yea this is what I'm thinking. If they weren't straight up throwing they at least weren't taking the games seriously at all.

[@nic.k]

@@xanboyyy go watch every other yan aerial since 2020. it’s weird.

[@rajeshkoothrapali3489]

honestly, most of these look totally normal. BUT there are a few that look kinda sus.. the yan airroll edit was funny, and yan's response with the mcdonalds application was sooo class man, i'm lying in bed laughing about the tweet 😂

[@amaarquadri]

I think the wider point is that the no throwing rule is ultimately unenforceable. If a team wants to throw and is smart about it, i don't think there's any way to be able to tell with certainty.

[@EspieJaz]

Honestly, they just look like they weren't taking the games seriously, that's all I can deduce from this.

[@rohanofgondor]

ye idk whats so deep about this, they were not playing as seriously and try harding as they usually would, the insane pressure these kids play at to stay at the top for as long as they can, games like these are totally justifiable, let them chill carca

[@PhaZeUnleashed]

Not taking the game serious is still a form of throwing. Their job is too play the game to the best of their ability for entertainment. Not to show awful rocket league. So they should still get in trouble for not being competitive.

[@Gonza_Horizon]

Complexity didn't qualify because they lost to Secret in Q4, to Ninjas in Q5, and to Hero Base in Q6, this is nonsense. If you compile all bad plays from any series it will look like they are throwing, very different case than YMC where you could see the throw every 3 seconds of uncut gameplay. This can't be taken seriously...

[@edgeribble]

If u compile all the best clips of a GC2 they might be mistaken for a pro

[@pythin2040]

Yeah this is very fair, its an extremely biased selection of super short clips from someone whos trying to show that they're throwing

[@dylb0t]

Also YMC literally delayed their matches to see the results of Limitless

[@naturally_rob]

There's a bias that people tend to forget about. When we think of pros in any sport or esport, we typically think of their highlights. Highlights, by their very nature, are a player's or team's best performance. We forget that despite them being pros, make mistakes. If I pick the clips of a team's worst plays in the quals, it would luck just as "sus" as furia's plays do. Besides, I just don't see yan, who desperately wants to make it to majors, wanting to throw for any reason. On top of this, in pro lobbies, the smallest mistakes from a player or team are typically taken advantage of, sometimes it takes a bit to play it, but usually it's very quick.

[@verybored2416]

THE BIAS IS CRAZYYY, bro you were saying YMC was blatantly throwing bc a couple bad plays yet you’re not convinced that Furia (who are ALOT BETTER than YMC) aren’t throwing bc playing horribly just happens LMAOOO

[@verybored2416]

if YMC deserved to be banned for trying to better their chances at making a major than Furia 1000% deserve to be banned for helping ANOTHER TEAM make worlds over ANOTHER TEAM… but I understand, banning Furia would literally ruin SAM RLCS

[@hellohi1445]

Mate YMC was so much more obvious than furia.

[@verybored2416]

@@hellohi1445 yea but I think we both agree they still threw. Some of these “mistakes” are so blatantly obvious, like Yan just doesn’t missing ceiling set ups like that with no pressure… ask him to do that shit at 2am black out drunk and he’s hitting that shit same with all these missed aerials and bum

[@PhaZeUnleashed]

@@hellohi1445you are so biased it is crazy.

[@hellohi1445]

@@PhaZeUnleashed I made one comment 💀💀

[@ghostroaster410]

I feel like it shouldnt be that hard to throw while looking normal against a pro team... like just rotate slightly off or barely miss shots and not go full plat mode from time to time.

[@beantreats]

Exactly. That's what i was thinking. They don't need to do anything blatant when the margins between these teams are so slim already

[@jamesdsmith1217]

Muscle memory is a bitch

[@Robinson508]

Just feels like Johnny was being a little biased here. Some of These mistakes are just wayyyy too unlikely for top players, and they’re the best in the region. Not saying they cheated, it should be looked at though because this looked kinda crazy

[@Human-881]

I know the throwing here isn’t as obvious as the ymc situation, but I think that’s because Furia are playing against better competition and it’s easier to throw against them. For example, its easier to throw against SSLs and make it believable than it is against some silvers

[@konyadake1602]

finally a smart comment here.

[@konyadake1602]

@@gustavoflame thats what they literally doing, they are making simple mistakes that nobody think its a throw, but its honestly can be intentional throwing because of high level lobby its not going to be obvious

[@the-method81]

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[@WhatTheGaming511]

Jesus Christ Give it up.

[@the-method81]

@@WhatTheGaming511 thank you for the support and comment! ❤

[@zell6108]

​@@the-method81no no he meant he was presenting jesus christ, give him a round of applause

[@hhaste]

Feer said today _if_ it ever happens, it won't be for a long time, so..

[@lionsfanvickery6010]

Plzzzzza

[@gregorymcnew88]

I think it’s more widespread than everyone thinks it is. I think a lot of teams will purposefully lose to get sent down to the lower bracket.

[@edgeribble]

doing that gives u less points and if u do u will fall behind in points and not make majors/worlds

[@onze000]

There is literally no lower bracket this season (except Worlds' playoff). Exceptional reasoning 👍

[@edgeribble]

@@onze000 there is in quals

[@groos3449]

So last split when Furia had the chance to throw to try and get Complexity out of the major they didn't, and now when they didn't need to throw they did? This makes no sense at all, especially considering their swiss results in regional 5 and 6 and them beating NiP next regional in the quarters.

[@davidlove3710]

That is a throw if I’ve ever seen one. I know pros don’t hit every shot but they make way better consistent contact than what I’m seeing.

[@kingo5940]

10:46 NEVER do you miss that 8:45 ähm.. idk 8:06 yan never misses that 8:14 weird miss and slow reaction 8:26 insanely bad aerial and was easy to correct mid-air this is def more sus then Johnny says but idk

[@AlgaeGaming]

I only have 3 as possible throwing, but 3 bad mistakes from any of the 3 players over a 5 game series is not crazy. 3 reeho boost grab (all 3 up, 1 about to 50) (4 backwall pancake, no flinching to attempt save) 7 but only the third part of the long clip: driving circles in defense when you know there's an attacker in your corner (9 kinda bad miss?) 12 no air roll yanxnz?

[@sedaw3261]

I highly doubt anyone would risk getting banned when you're already at a Major and Worlds, just to prevent some team from your region to make it to Worlds. Furia obviously don't care who makes it to Worlds from SAM, as long as they make it

[@masengutormson2078]

I’m not sure which was more obvious in ymc or furia but at this point it doesn’t even matter because when you start 0.1 seconds into the clip you are already defending the clip. Immediate “yeah no this one is fine” without even seeing the errors yet.

[@Gazza108]

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[@williambolin5951]

Furia looks pretty sketch to me in those clips to be honest.

[@markmcneil7040]

Karmine Corp doesn't even make the qualifier: "Ouch bad day for those guys" Furia loses a couple games: BAN HAMMMER So now everytime a top team loses we are going to have to examine the entire series and determine weather or not it's a throw 🤣🤣🤣 I mean where does it end? Every team is sus now for losing an upset? Lol. Also that McDonald's application just killed me 😂😂😂

[@Ian92999]

Yan not air rolling is something that needs another look for sure tho

[@Shivaxi]

I admittedly don't know much how it all works, but wouldn't this really be the fault of how RLCS and the point system is setup to even allow "throwing" to be an abusable option? Shouldn't the tournament be structured in a way that doesn't make "throwing" beneficial?

[@JackCoy-c7b]

The amount of simple aerials they missed is insane,I know pros sometimes miss but nowhere near that many

[@pythin2040]

This is a stretch by complexity, I don't doubt Furia weren't trying as hard as in a major quarterfinal or something, but it's certainly not blatant cheating once these super short clips are compiled with the intent of showing them "throwing". A lot of them were really minor misplays and seeing them back to back with nothing in between is really biasing.

[@reinierwalraven5885]

If you're so far ahead of the rest there's a possibility that they don't grind as much, not too many scrims, no bootcamps, just taking it more casual. Some of it looks a little sus but it can very well just be a bad play or having a bad day

[@puyu8621]

to be fair these diamond players that are calling these plays throwing throw every match so it makes sense they see throwing everywhere

[@Jarhead1407]

10:45 is egregious. Any gold player could make that read better than that

[@SA80TAGE]

not if you're reading for a fifty, I'm plat and a did that a couple times myself earlier tonight sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't..... I see much better players than these miss what would be relatively easy plays even when they're not being pressured. Last showmatch between Atow and Nass are good examples, both did stupid/inconsistent stuff that someone at their level should not be doing. It happens, Zen scored an own goal at last Worlds seeming to have forgotten which net he was scoring on.... This is Rocket League! 🤷‍♂

[@Bolts17]

@@SA80TAGE people seem to think if you are high enough level you can't make mistakes, but like you said they happen, on the own goal i'm pretty sure zen was trying to bang it to the opposite side and just had bad timing, if you look at the Rizzo own goal in his last rlcs match it was a very similar situation

[@icymort87]

If there was previous suspicion that Furia would throw for there friends to benefit and then play that badly, I think its quite blatent. If you throw skillfully maybe it's impossible to decide a ban. But motive is everything.

[@CrispyChristieMAC]

You can tell from the comments who binge watched EU and who has never watched a SAM split. SAM, while there is some highlights, is playing in 2021 with 2024 speed as far as quality goes. You see this 24/7 on SAM, normally not out of FUria, but it is earmarked SAM RL. Even the first one he found suspicious he could have easily turned expecting his teammate to be rotating behind him then he got demo'd and he lost track. That whole play happened in a fraction of a second from the demo onward. They played badly, they haven't been practicing much, there is nothing here that is blatant for me because unlike 90% of the people in here commenting I actually watch SAM and it is this type of GC3/SSL rocket league with weird unexpected unforced errors often. the 5 second left 3-1 also was one where he physically could not reach the ball with the boost he had so I'm not sure why that's clipped in. If he had not of jumped, or delayed his jump, the situation would have been identical.

[@SpiderVenom12905]

Some plays seem like they dont care to save the ball. Idk about throwing but they didnt care

[@jeromepoe946]

Extremely sus I’ve seen some people in my diamond lobbies occasionally pulling off what they are failing or have more consistent rotations even without comms. 100% throwing throughout everything, some normal mistakes were thrown in but definitely some really purposeful flopping happening.

[@kingextreme2529]

Even if Furia did throw this is just not blatant like the YMC situation. Probably gonna end up beeing a nothing burger.

[@no3339]

The fact that throwing is even a discussion in a pro esport is ridiculous. These formats are horrible, the whole structure of the professional scene is horrible, and the game is still horrible. Not sure how you can have a diamond idea like rocket league, and totally squander what could be the best esport in the world. Psyonix are really out of their depths - we need a developer that actually knows what they’re doing.

[@thegees]

i think the original point is kinda valid but was also stuffed with random clips that were normal

[@ShounenN]

To me honestly, this is very blatant. Half of these plays are Champ 1 aerial level mistakes which you don't see from pros (THIS CONSISTANTLY), ever!

[@HadesRL]

I think everyone’s just quick to pile on top of any possible future teams trying to pull a YMC so degenerate distasteful people who wanna tear someone who’s winning down can clip all their understandable mistakes to look suspicious while being completely out of context.

[@aztra9483]

At the end of the day I think we should all agree that this is far too much speculation to make a big deal out of.

[@seanwalker7003]

I understand that by argument's sake it has to be blatant throwing. But if this is what the top team in a region looks like, then they need to reevaluate.

[@SamMaki]

Furia clearly weren't actively trying to win, that by definition is throwing. If you truly think this was them giving 100%, you're lying to yourselves.

[@mastac5758]

Well in real sports clubs/teams get a big fine. RL should do that instead of banning

[@joeyr3]

I dont they were throwing I think they might have been coasting and not sweating as hard since they have everything locked already

[@Jeffs_Trove]

in cases like these it's hard to get damning evidence to say that a team's performance goes beyond bad but intentional throwing. i feel as though the amount of information we have cannot be valid to sustain such a demanding claim - that they malintentionally threw

[@thereisnowayyouareforreal5156]

Its definitely a little sus, but without watching the full series no one could blatantly call it throwing. If the other team was playing super fast and furia had an off day, a lot of these make sense. Personally i think they just didnt care because saving mental energy for major and worlds. Beyond more money, they really didnt need to care at that point.

[@shivvers.]

I think Yan has the competitive integrity to not do this. I think it's a bad day and no comms cuz they locked a spot

[@derekstevens7716]

I mean, when I watched the series it looked like other series from the last season that Furia lost. If they don't land the bumps or the mechanical shots they can get rolled with momentum. It just looks like they played like they already had major and worlds locked up and got caught lacking mentally. Carca is trying to make an accusation out of nothing

[@jtBassin.]

everyone commenting that they didn’t throw isn’t GC or Above. If you understand the game at a high level you can obviously see (air roll) and some flips are just not even the right move. It’s obvious and people who don’t agree just don’t understand the game yet

[@Pekara121]

It wasn't throwing I'm higher rank than you

[@jtBassin.]

@@Pekara121 1v1?

[@jtBassin.]

@@Pekara121 add me mrundiez

[@joethepro2405]

Im gc2 and don't think they're throwing

[@JXLY7]

You don’t see that many whiffs at GC let alone pro level

[@typeofguyto]

Haven't watched the full vid- But for how insane and good furia is, those clips against NIP are major sus. Look like plats out there

[@gustavoflame]

Nah... Look like any match of any pro, but focusing on misses.

[@TinyTypo]

I dont think theyre throwing, but Furia having literally nothing to play for and coming in so rusty cause they didnt bother practicing is another reason this format is fuckin awful, teams should be incentivised to win at all times. The fact their salaries are probably comfortably more than the qualifier payouts are is not good

[@kkkul4468]

is it possible that these are just low ssls playing from the furia accounts?

[@stranger16luis71]

If they were not accused of throwing in the first place, none of these misses/mistakes would have been considered fraudulent behavior, rather just standard rocket league where a team had a bad series/a bad game. Things like this are very common. And I've seen quite a few Sam Qualifiers/regionals, and I've seen things like this many times in the last 2 years or so. Out of all the regions, these type of misses I've seen the most in MENA and SAM, for obvious reasons, both regions try to play too fast, too prejumpy, too ball-chasy, and therefore make mistakes like this quite a lot. Be it Falcons, NIP or Furia or pretty much any team. One bad game/series and you will see many of these things. Prejump mistakes (too early), Boost over ball (very common), bounce read mistakes (very common), not moving much during defense due to brain freeze (happens all the time). It also happens in NA and EU.

[@dylb0t]

By Carca’s logic, Justin should get banned because after the tie breaker he tweeted “I threw” and it’s safe to assume he was referring to missing that ball in the OT.

[@TheAwesomeGamer222]

Idk I’m a C1 freestyler and can say that the ceiling landing is beyond sus. There is 0 excuse for him to land like that with consistency leagues above mine. The setup is the most repetitive part of the ceiling shot that you should basically be able to land it blindfolded. I 100% believe they threw even if it wasn’t as blatant as YMC. I think any team at that level can throw without it appearing blatant. You have to actively try to make it appear blatant like YMC where they went for nonstop team bumps. I’m not sold on the idea that pros that can operate on such a high consistency level can only throw if it’s blatant and obvious. Throwing at that high of a level can be as simple as not sweating. For example, a pro can single jump instead of double jumping to get to an aerial quicker allowing the other team to beat them to ball and score. Is this blatant? No. Is this still throwing imo? Most definitely

[@gupadre8255]

C1 freestyler 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheAwesomeGamer222]

@@gupadre8255 and? Most freestylers are in the champ range (maktuf, MK, JZR, etc). Only comp freestylers like evample get much higher. In case you didn’t know, going for a sidewall musty into reset back into musty isn’t usually conducive to ranking up when the proper play is to bang the shot into the open net.

[@zuko655]

I just can't see the motive. Do you really think Furia would risk their whole season because they hate COL that much? like kamikaze shit lmao

[@RJ22]

The animal noises really add to the suspense

[@ZumokuYT]

They’re all sus. Shouldn’t be making excuses for a PRO TEAM to be making mistakes that bad and that frequently. That second bump clip is the worse for me. Why go for a bump when the ball is gonna fall well short of the goal? A redirect there is the obvious play especially for pro players and with the net being open on the far side.

[@Atmint]

I can’t agree. I’ve never seen pros play so bad. I think they did a good job making it not look like they were blatantly throwing #sus

[@collinbradford8866]

The thing is you only have to "try" and throw 1 or 2 plays per match and can easily cover it up.

[@zzbarra]

the strawman is that secret played out of their mind to qualify and furia played relaxed because theyre already locked in.

[@bladenmclaren9981]

Furia is an absolutely ridiculous team and I absolutely love Furia, but this does look like throwing

[@dylancochrane6296]

Furia for major and worlds is pretty much locked so its obvious they weren't trying, highly doubt they were throwing.

[@Bader.albeshri]

Where is Trk&Nwpo vs seer show match ?? why it didn’t Upload yet ?

[@spillanegottleib1681]

Did we all see Vitality vs Furia, Major 1 Quarterfinals? Who precisely was Furia throwing for during that match? And speaking of Vitality, who were they "throwing for" through their entire lackluster first split? Since when did occasional bad plays in the middle of competition become "sus"? I just recently rewatched Squishy's analysis of his team's Season X Major win (note: does he have his left brain activated during gameplay, or what). How many of the choices during that game would be "more sus" than anything Johnny covered here. It's called being nervous and making mistakes, just as Squishy described himself 3 years ago. The only way to prove anything here given the time gone by and other factors, is a paper trail. And there is none. Or, to the accusers, either produce one, or fill out that job application. Real-time game controller input choices are a totally invalid form of evidence. Any Rocket League enthusiast interested in blatant results manipulation should instead focus on the ref pulling the guy's arm away at the end of round 9 of Fury vs Usyk. Now THAT was cheating. Note : I missed seeing this match live, now I'm going to find it and watch it with "sus eyes", and discover how I feel by the end of it.

[@minti1702]

Unpopular opinion, but just how I think about this: They're playing the game that was handed to them on the micro and macro. Is it good sportsmanship? No, but it has been done throughout history in other sports. Hate on my opinion if you want, but if the problem is they can do this and the bracket system allows it to happen then they are just playing a piece of the total that is the game of RLCS.

[@anthonydahl3858]

A lot of people in this comment section are only defending this team because they are universally loved and no one wants them to get banned me included but this is some of the most obvious throwing I have ever seen in my entire life these are some of the best players in the world even if they weren’t trying their harder or whatever you would never see them play this bad even if it’s a random ranked game these are mistakes even champions don’t make it’s insanely obvious

[@Spirilyy]

Honestly the first part seems way too long for a single series. If it was your entire quals lowlights maybe but just one series for a team at a LAN level it's clear.

[@FinBoyXD]

These seem like plat takes. There's no way a good player should seriously think all of these look actually throwing. Some look bad, but only couple, it's clearly not intentional throwing. It's obviously just a bad gameday for them.

[@dylancochrane6296]

Saying this was blatant throwing is a stretch. They certainly weren't trying as hard as they could've seeing as they were pretty much garaunteed major/worlds but certainly not intentional bad plays.

[@abdiel_hd]

I've never been this early before, and I literally looked up your channel to see if you had any pro vs ai video

[@menchelke]

I mean they can throw by just not caring, and still be trying in the game. Vs locking in. No way to prove that. Remember when that one team in NA did all clown cars to clown around, and it helped one team and they lost a match they normally would be considered to win.

[@CadeHXH]

12:13 That isn't even suspicious either, he had 0 boost and the ball was hit over him so the only way he would be able to touch the ball is when it bounces off the backwall and he catches it. Also, we notice that his teammate is coming back to the net with nearly full boost, his teammate most likely comm'd that he had it + even in solo queue I think people would expect the guy coming back to touch it first. However, his teammate got demo'd and he had to quickly try to turn around and access the situation (because he didn't have ball cam on) and he still had 0 boost so he just couldn't reach it.

[@DeltaRunner6]

Young money clan should take notes because if this is throwing, this is how you make it subtle.

[@noname-inspiration]

2:19 tells it all. No one above gc would drive forward here. Anyone with half a brain sees you gotta rotate back here. Scandalous. Should be banned

[@hi_fox]

Exact same situation as YMC but because Furia are well liked they will get away with it

[@Ben-gd4db]

Looked like obvious throwing in those clips. Intentional bad rotations is easy to disguise but still look sus in these clips, but the diamond level aerials and completely missing the ball in defensive situations looks so obvious. If those clips were their "worst moments of the entire season" compilation you could excuse it, but when you realise its one series against NIP it just stinks of throwing.

[@PhaZeUnleashed]

Furia can do so much better, they were clearly having more than a bad day. That is blatant throwing.

[@TheNovembernovember]

Dude, if you look at them individually you can defend them. But damn, ALL OF THEM IN THE SAME SERIES ? What's going on ? The best team in SAM is C3 level ?

[@swimminlikeapig]

I think the argument is that they were playing stupid and ultimately letting the other teams win. I don't see it. Some dumb plays and a few whiffs but throwing? Nah

[@___.___.___.___]

8:05 but you didn’t, you saw peak RL instead. Keep hating on NA.

[@chrollo4212]

Wait I thought everyone knew that yan turns into a plat 1 when he goes for a ceiling shot

[@ABCDEFR]

Half of what are being portrayed as "offensive whiffs" in that clip are such _obvious_ lead-blocking attempts where the player never has any intention of actually hitting the ball, it really calls into question the motivations of the person editing it that they would attempt to portray it as anything other than that. If you've ever seen Furia play with low hours past 2 in a match that doesn't matter before, then you've seen the version of Furia that showed up on the day. If Cope-plexity fans want to accuse them of not being super invested in the outcome of this match I think that's fair enough, but intent matters, so as far as intentionally throwing/manipulating the outcome of the tournament? Nah.

[@cajatron]

It's easy to fake try and make it look accidental. For the best team in SAM to do this, let alone, YANXZX, one of the most mechanical players we've ever seen in RLCS, nah, they definitely throwing.

[@cajatron]

To add, I think johnny is REACHING to defend them..

[@marlzimm2262]

They are definitely throwing. But they played it off well enough that you couldn’t necessarily say they did it on purpose

[@user-yv6xw7ns3o]

All I can really say about what I see in this video and surrounding discussion is people are very biased to see it the way they want to see it.

[@milkpow8400]

Maybe they were having a bad day....if we say the same for shopify then can we assume they were throwing when they werent doing good and missing easy hits?

[@cormaca7069]

Guess I have to root against Secret. Whatever happened to the format last season where regions doing well helped their own regions?

[@zachhokanson8336]

Not saying they threw but that many terrible mistakes in one series is sus. They looked like the people I play in champ and there pros. How are they not more consistent.

[@danielgergi7748]

naa this shits looks like the threw no cap lmao

[@Darkcloudbeta7_yt]

A rlcs team lookiny like diamomd/chanp lobbys. Yh tahta defo throwing in my books

[@dom3833]

I do not watch a lot of SAM so johnny ofc knows better than me, but at pro level you really dont need to balatantly toss, more like just do enough to give them an advantage. The game we watched had so many mistakes that warrants for me atleast watching the rest of this series, and then comparing it to a series against a different team around the same time. Edit: also the 2-1 goal is so sus. SAM apparently has a consistent "aggresive" playstyle but at 2-1 with time waning they dont flip for the save? So all game they play ultra aggresive and give opportunity but then when they need to now they are passive? Theres too much inconsistency for me to just write off this off as "SAM" playstyle.

[@mythikalgaming1608]

I can see their play style causing this. In Copenhagen their offense was undoubtedly the most aggressive, just watch the furia luminosity match if you don't believe me. When they actually played a solid team however, (team vitality) you saw furias play style collapse as vitality wouldent fall to all out offense. Furia on a bad day with a major clenched, and worlds clenched, should have no expectation of not making some mistakes like this. I simply attribute it to complacency of already locking their spot.

[@dylon2372]

That's what everyone is missing. They're like "Oh well they tried to go for ball, so it's not throwing". Games are pro level are won by tiny margins, therefore you could throw by just missing something by 1 second intentionally several times

[@oxyclean2953]

also gotta realise they are picking apart 5 second clips in a 7 minute match, in a best of 5 series.... Of course there will be many moments out of context that makes it out to look like throwing

[@HysterixL]

“They always play dumb” 😂😂