Does vintage stereo sound better /and why.?

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@Pohlmeister63
@Pohlmeister63 3 жыл бұрын
My Father passed away a few weeks ago and he had a Pioneer SX-650. I now use it all the time and love it!
@slyspy9819
@slyspy9819 3 жыл бұрын
I use mine everyday and it works great !
@rotaxtwin
@rotaxtwin 2 жыл бұрын
Hang on to it!
@ap101081
@ap101081 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 67 and still using my 18 watt Sony receiver here with a pair of Infinity speakers! The only thing I have had to replace is the dial cord due to old age. The turntable is a Yamaha P-450 belt drive and I have over 170 albums. This guy is spot on!
@derekviveiros
@derekviveiros 3 жыл бұрын
I'm actually looking at that same turntable for my first one! I've had a hifi set up for digital for years but am inheriting a record collection of about 100. So excited. That tables looks got my attention. How have you liked it? What cartridge are you using?
@carlj2979
@carlj2979 4 жыл бұрын
Picked up a filthy Sansui 331 at my local recycling shop. Piece of plastic fascia broken off one side, it had likely been dropped or knocked at some stage. It powered up, so I threw down $50 (AUD) and took it home. Disassembled, cleaned everything and removed all the dust and crap from years of sitting in a shed. I measured and reproduced the plastic fascia end pieces with a laser cutter I have access to, glued them on and then I rebuilt and polished the whole thing up. I then paired this with a set of B&W DM110's I also picked up at that same store for again, $50. People throw away amazing stereo gear. You just have to know where to look to pick it up for peanuts.
@RennieAsh
@RennieAsh 4 жыл бұрын
The 2nd hand places are beginning to learn how to look up prices on the internet though. It's more rare to get extreme bargains these days, though still possible. But if it needs fixing, then many people basically give things away. Except one place that prices almost maximum 2nd hand price BUT it also needs fixing or is trashed lol
@jmad627
@jmad627 3 жыл бұрын
Great job mate! Estate sales are a great place to get gear too.
@simonzinc-trumpetharris852
@simonzinc-trumpetharris852 7 ай бұрын
I picked up a Leak stereo 30+ for a mere £10 in perfect working order! Result!
@johnellis3550
@johnellis3550 7 ай бұрын
Bought my pioneer sx 780 in 78 the following year I bought the pioneer PL 518 turntable and technics SB-L200 speakers what a great system miss it a lot I'm now 67.
@2574mcu
@2574mcu 4 жыл бұрын
I remember in 1979 busting my rear end as a teenager to make money to buy a receiver. I paid 699 US dollars for my receiver. That was a lot of money back then. I still have it and it still works. The only thing I had repaired was the power switch. The unit was gone over and everything was fine. I tried to find a modern receiver but they could not match the sound quality of my vintage unit. Like they say, they just don't make them like that anymore.
@joeygonzo
@joeygonzo 4 жыл бұрын
Minimum wage was not even $2 per hour then
@barnabyjones6995
@barnabyjones6995 3 жыл бұрын
What model receiver is it?
@donjohnstone3707
@donjohnstone3707 3 жыл бұрын
I am certain that if you did some research you would find a few new options that would match or surpass your fine old receiver for sound quality and value for money.
@benbradshawjr2856
@benbradshawjr2856 3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree they dont make them like they used to.ive bought quite a few new recievers,plug it all in and hated it.sold it.
@benbradshawjr2856
@benbradshawjr2856 3 жыл бұрын
Id say the new recievers for stereo sound,the 5.1,7.1 surround are total trash!!500 watts,800 watts??? Hahaha yeah right.id say less than 50rms watts per channel
@johnnytoobad7785
@johnnytoobad7785 3 жыл бұрын
The build quality and "eye candy" effect was much better back then. Once the "home theater" craze took hold, then the overall quality went down (along with price) since "audio" was now competing with flat-screen TV's and home computers. Also many (if not all) of the Japanese firms merged into a consortium and SONY even got out of the high-end audio business entirely. Today the 100% digital displays and cheap buttons all look like sh_t. (IMHO).
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't argue
@jogmas12
@jogmas12 2 жыл бұрын
Well, ok, but have you seen the original mission Cyrus amplifiers. There is nothing aesthetically pleasing about them. Just 3 knobs on the front panel. One for volume and the other two for input selection and recording.That’s it. They basically look like a shoe box with knobs on one side. They have classic AB type circuitry, and are capable of high current delivery (up to 40 amperes depending on the musical complexity) and can drive difficult speakers loads down to 4 ohms. No bells no whistles just good performance.
@jackedkerouac4414
@jackedkerouac4414 2 жыл бұрын
I will never get those home theater bundles or soundbars. Sure they'll do the trick but I know cheap build when I see one
@Wolfstanus
@Wolfstanus 2 жыл бұрын
@@jackedkerouac4414 I'm sure it has something to do with the target audience and affordability. Something about markets being trash and people these days don't earn as much money as they could have back then. Also, most people don't care too much about audio systems when a really good pair of headphones do just as well. Oh and interests such as video games and movies taking focus away from pretentious audiophiles world. Yes Audiophiles ruined their own thing
@craigdoriety9798
@craigdoriety9798 Жыл бұрын
Nothing like the glow of and old reciever in a dark room with some great music on. One of my favorite places to be.
@robertdavis5714
@robertdavis5714 4 жыл бұрын
I remember the 1970's living in the Valley and driving past Marantz Factory (in big bold GOLD letters M A R A N T Z in front of the building) in Chatsworth Ca. And HK right down the street in Northridge. The Valley (San Fernando) was crazy during the stereo Wars (especially late 1970's), A stereo store on every corner.
@DMCCobra
@DMCCobra 3 жыл бұрын
Robert, what street was the Marantz factory on - Desoto or Topanga Canyon? I seem to remember HK being on Nordhoff. Am I right?
@markcarlisle5508
@markcarlisle5508 3 жыл бұрын
i grow up out there and worked holden pest control and i went there to service that place it was huge and no i can't remember the street but i think it was on parthenia or nordhoff..the valley was GREAT in the 70s
@Ramosism
@Ramosism 3 жыл бұрын
My brother got his first job at Marantz in the valley. Worked in the wood shop making speakers. $100 dollars a week. I thought he was rich!
@jmad627
@jmad627 3 жыл бұрын
That’s awesome to grow up there at that time.
@brianshaw373
@brianshaw373 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget Rogers Sound Lab…. DeSoto north of Roscoe, and somewhere in Van Nuys or North Hollywood before that. Just had my 3800’s overhauled.
@cipiesan67
@cipiesan67 Жыл бұрын
My TT is 44 years old and I'm so pleased. Pioneer PL-300, with five headshells for five different carts. I'm only into vintage stuff, including cassette decks (one of them, a SONY, from 1977).
@RWong-wn3pv
@RWong-wn3pv 3 жыл бұрын
It’s 2021, I bought a new 1974 Marantz 2270 ($450/$650 USD). It moved to many USA locations, & was in storage for a good while. It needed a reconditioning ($220.) @ a local HiFi repair shop 3 years ago. @ that time this Marantz 2270, 70 W rms @ 8 ohms posted 95/97 W. Fitted a Bluetooth adapter & can now stream modern components, phono, & other components that can attach with RCA jacks. The headphone jack makes many to almost all sound great.
@randyivie359
@randyivie359 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on , you sound just like me . These are the components i dreamed of back in the day. It’s like finding gold to our generation now .
@burkholdst.rudderberg3574
@burkholdst.rudderberg3574 3 жыл бұрын
I can't tell you how much I miss VU meters!
@tedtimmis8135
@tedtimmis8135 3 жыл бұрын
And buttons and toggle switches and bass and treble adjustments.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes. I love having physical things on the devices. Be it audio, video, modular synths or whatever. There is this certain satisfaction when you can actually feel the interaction, when you can see actual things moving when you change stuff.
@factorylad5071
@factorylad5071 3 жыл бұрын
@@toddblanks Are you meaning because the Yamaha dsp gives you a digital vu read out anyway lol by any chance?
@hifirulezzz
@hifirulezzz 3 жыл бұрын
What are you waiting for? eBay is for your convenience. Lots of good old stuff.
@richardcrook2112
@richardcrook2112 3 жыл бұрын
I had a getto blaster with VU meters and servo motors under the switches. I still remember pressing the metal button in - click click shoong - dancing dials, flashing lights and DEAFENING NOISE!.
@megswaks1277
@megswaks1277 3 жыл бұрын
You make some excellent points in this video. In 1977 I purchased a Marantz 4270 for $699 USD. In today’s money that’s almost $3,000. Given that I still use this receiver as the heart of my main stereo system, it was money well spent. At one time I thought I needed to update my system and I purchased a circa mid-1990’s Marantz 5.1 AV receiver that supposedly had 350 watts. My 4270 with 25-70 rms watts blew the knobs off the new unit which was promptly returned. The vintage receivers were built to last and with some periodic servicing, they will do just that, and sound great doing it.
@dashriprock9014
@dashriprock9014 3 жыл бұрын
Those 70's Marantz receivers sound as good as they look. Too bad so many people's main sound source are their smart phones now.
@RUfromthe40s
@RUfromthe40s 3 жыл бұрын
lot´s of power on those stereo receivers
@JUNO-69
@JUNO-69 3 жыл бұрын
Why is it a shame? You can’t carry your Marantz receiver around in your pocket can you...
@barnabyjones6995
@barnabyjones6995 3 жыл бұрын
@@JUNO-69 yes I can, along with my rotary dial phone.
@factorylad5071
@factorylad5071 3 жыл бұрын
Classic 60s champagne look.
@pietdebeste
@pietdebeste 3 жыл бұрын
Or spotify, even a worse sound source
@geoffke24
@geoffke24 3 жыл бұрын
The problem is that people in general are not interested in how it sounds anymore, but more into if it produces a lot of “noise”. So the market shifted into making noisy stuff. You still have some brands making quality sounding products these days, but it will cost you a lot of money. I also refurbished a 70’s pre and end amplifier because it just sounds so much more detailed and warm. Not many people really take the time to really listen to a record these days... only audio enthousiasts still do :-)
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 3 жыл бұрын
Yes interesting points you make are people interested in the finer points of it all
@thevintagehifiambassador8524
@thevintagehifiambassador8524 3 жыл бұрын
and there are still lots of audio enthusiasts and like somme call themself Audiophiles
@LeoMkII
@LeoMkII 3 жыл бұрын
just by taking a listen to what most people listen to you can see the love for real good music has vanished
@socksumi
@socksumi 3 жыл бұрын
These days most noobs idea of good sound is... it goes loud and has lots of bass.
@bennycop
@bennycop 3 жыл бұрын
The music that the people are listening today is that kind of music wich requires only bass and treble and a lot of noise
@richardwhite2344
@richardwhite2344 3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the 1970's Vintage audio was 100 times better then the equipment they make now. I have a 70's Pioneer receiver and it works beautiful and the quality is top notch. I still have have my Technics separate components that I bought in the 80's and it still works perfectly to this day and I used it everyday for at least 2 hours. The vintage stuff was much better quality. Now if something you buy lasts five years, your lucky
@TheLtData
@TheLtData 2 жыл бұрын
My 60ties record player and 70ties r2r work fine so the quality is beyond doubt.
@waxmonkeys3841
@waxmonkeys3841 Жыл бұрын
Generally true, though the high end stuff today will outclass the best stuff from the 70's. 50+ years is a lot of time in the electronics world and advances have been made.
@blairwooten8019
@blairwooten8019 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with all that you say. I own a Pioneer SX-950 receiver and a Pioneer PL-71 direct drive turntable. I'm 66, live in the States. We grew up in a amazing time. Today younger people don't know or care about the precision that went into vintage audio gear. I also have a collection of direct to disc albums. Great video by the way. I look forward to more of your videos.
@markwarne893
@markwarne893 4 жыл бұрын
Just purchased the Pioneer SX-450 and its currently getting a service and some new speaker connectors added to it rather than the bare wire that it currently has. Even after a quick setup, I was amazed at the sound that is pumped out. Marvellous.
@idolhanz9842
@idolhanz9842 4 жыл бұрын
That was the first stereo I ever bought and that was back in 1978 at circuit city in North Charleston SC . Sold it in California to a dorm rat for cheap , 70 bucks and I went and bought Yamaha and Carver t preamp and amps + dsp.
@francescotenti193
@francescotenti193 4 жыл бұрын
Completely true, I built my "vintage vinyl corner" around a Pioneer SX550, beautiful to look at, sounds great and don't let those only "20 watts per channel" fool you, it's plenty powerful and I rarely have the volume passed 4-5. The best $150.00 I ever spent on gear. Thanks for you great and down to earth videos!
@jogmas12
@jogmas12 2 жыл бұрын
Dude you could of did better. The Cyrus one amp by mission electronics from 1984 is true performer. Ugly to look at but very capable. How capable you ask? Well at only 25 wpc it can drive difficult speaker loads down to 4 ohms (basically 25 wpc into 8 ohms and 40 wpc into 4 ohms) and it’s high current design can deliver up to 40 amperes on musical peaks. It’s ugly, but will out perform your SX550.
@francescotenti193
@francescotenti193 2 жыл бұрын
@@jogmas12 Never heard of it but looked it up and you're right, it's ugly as sin. My Sx 550 is still playing well with no issues and still a pleasure to look at. Not bad for something over 45 years old and costing me $150.00 including shipping and just serviced prior of getting it. I'll stick with it for the time being. What happened to our host? He hasn't posted a video in a long time, I truly hope he's alright.
@stevenjosephs9
@stevenjosephs9 Жыл бұрын
I had the SX 750 ( 60 WPC ) . Technics 1950 tt
@richardmorgan1588
@richardmorgan1588 4 жыл бұрын
I have vintage and modern audio equipment set up in my home. Two of my systems are powered by Parasound New Classic amps. One of those has a Pioneer SX939 receiver connected to it which I am currently using as just the preamp for the Parasound amp. There is nothing wrong with the Pioneer but my full sized Polk Audio speakers like power to deliver their best sound and the 70 watts per channel of the Pioneer just didn't and couldn't offer the same clarity, detail, base and yes headroom of the 200 plus watts per channel of the well engineered and modern Parasound! That Parasound amp was surprisingly affordable too for its performance! Some higher end vintage units were over engineered and they were great products for their day. Often their performance hit above their weight; however I would not discount the improvements in audio quality from some of the entry level audiophile brands of today such as Parasound! Speaker technology also has improved (to my ears anyway) and it is much better than SOME of what was considered high end at the time. Look I get it! There certainly is something about the styling of vintage equipment and my Pioneer SX939 makes for one hell of a great preamp! I do think, however, that there is something to be said about the understated beauty and clean lines of some modern units too. Another thing to consider is that contrary to what some may believe, vintage units like anything else have a shelf life. That is especially true of speakers! They don't last forever. They can be recapped/repaired and that's fine if you don't need or want to significantly upgrade; however there is a bigger and surprisingly affordable world out there when you are ready!
@go86go
@go86go 4 жыл бұрын
I picked up a late 70's realistic receiver for a song from the original owner, it was rated at 25w. A pair of klipsch KG 3.5 in excellent condition (including the original box) from craigslist for $99. And I have a 10 yr old no name dvd player collecting dust. I was blown away when I played a chris botti cd while testing it.
@68wrko
@68wrko 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, the 1970's was the sweet-spot of the audio era. Companies did more R&D to make the BEST product at ANY cost and competed against each other at all costs. When you look at the cost back then factored in today's dollars, they were expensive in its day, but today are still classics and still sound great. Aluminum engraved faceplates, knobs that are milled with 3 different finishes. I think as the mid and late 80's came, snake oil techniques were being pushed in the audio industry, as cheaper & compact systems came along and became the flavor of the month, and those still longing for a traditional stereo system, well there really was not any new technology, as the sound reproduction of 20hz-20khz electronics was already perfected, those folks had limited choices and then the esoteric market came in. To think that McIntosh tube equipment was available in the mid 60's at Allied Electronics for a few hundred dollars back then (still a lot of money, but doable if you really wanted it), and today that same unit is one of the most highly regarded amplifiers for beautiful sound and design. Personally, I remember "upgrading" in the late 80's to an Adcom Amp/Preamp from a '70's Yamaha CA-810, CT-810 Integrated Amp & Tuner. To look at that upgrade today, was it really an improvement???
@killabee623
@killabee623 4 жыл бұрын
It was all analog which sounded way better than digital that I had to get used to, like the class D AMPs.
@mag4633
@mag4633 3 жыл бұрын
Now you can get an amplifier for $250 (USD) that would blow away these vintage amps in sound quality (ie: S.MS.L DA-9)
@nodaysback1
@nodaysback1 3 жыл бұрын
@@mag4633 Open that thing up and you'll see why it weighs 2-lbs and why 1.8 of those lbs is the case and connectors... I can almost guarantee that it won't survive to become a "vintage" amp itself... I hope the warranty is at least three years.
@mkshffr4936
@mkshffr4936 2 жыл бұрын
70s the sweet spot for solid state, the 60s for tubes.
@trevor245
@trevor245 2 жыл бұрын
@@nodaysback1 You know the processing power needed to go to the moon is porbably about 0,0000000001% of the processing power a 0.1 gram chip has now a days? Sure build quality is nice but that ic is going to do a better job at producing clean audio than the transistors in the old receiver ever will. Also there is no reason to assume it would break. If you don't use a lot of parts there is not as much that can go wrong and I'd much rather trust the caps on the new amp than the ones on the older ones, even if they where somehow frozen in time for 50 years and didnt wear down at all.
@beslemeto
@beslemeto 4 жыл бұрын
I believe that finding one of the best vintage amps and recapping it will give you better performance than the new units that cost x3 the price...
@factorylad5071
@factorylad5071 4 жыл бұрын
Recapping the PSU , yep.
@factorylad5071
@factorylad5071 3 жыл бұрын
@@toddblanks Experiment is fact. I have done that before by replacing the rectifier network with a great big industrial bridge The results were fantastic.
@factorylad5071
@factorylad5071 3 жыл бұрын
@@toddblanks Yep it transformed an ordinary B&O 4000 amplifier into something that was totally different. I can understand hardly anything about thermodynamics but yes your probably right.
@factorylad5071
@factorylad5071 3 жыл бұрын
@@toddblanks I grew up in the silicon revolution. When I was very young my Father came home from work one day and asked me , guess what I have here? And it turned out to be a silicon rectifier. That was before they had reached the market. I don't go out of my way to collect amps I buy them and try them and pass them on. I only keep a few oddities like my old Ferrograph F307 and I have a Quad feed forward which I hope to replace the semis with new stuff from China Rock On.
@factorylad5071
@factorylad5071 3 жыл бұрын
@@toddblanks oh yeh they sent rockets to the moon on Ge02 but manufacture was a mucky business with having to dip into hot melts. It is a lot nicer to work off a wafer and that was what enabled other degrees of sophistication to be achieved such as biased doping.And where would we be without it?
@scottdavis0801
@scottdavis0801 3 жыл бұрын
My 1st taste of vintage hifi, was a Harman kardon 330b receiver with a pair of EPI M100 speakers. There are many vintage audio pieces that can be had for little money, that sound amazing!!
@tech-centralusa9671
@tech-centralusa9671 3 жыл бұрын
I had a Kenwood Kr5400 receiver cranking 50 watts per channel. Paid $255 plus tax circa 1974 which was a lot of money for a lad earning $150 weekly. Great receiver, it lasted forever. It actually gave it away to a charitable organization while still operational.
@grantwilson4696
@grantwilson4696 4 жыл бұрын
About '76 I bought a Hitachi SR-700 receiver (40W RMS) & a pair of ported Cerwin Vega HED (10" woofer) speakers. About 2000 I figured it was time to upgrade & bought a very high end Pioneer Elite Home Theatre system with all the bells, whistles, "concert hall" effects & more speakers than the houses of parliament. Pioneer system is long gone & not much missed... I still have my beloved Hitachi SR-700 & the sound is still amazing!
@rrcoster
@rrcoster 4 жыл бұрын
What i find neatest about vintage stereo is the work in them and tell they where made to last as quality show on both my vintage Marantz and MCS
@m.9243
@m.9243 4 жыл бұрын
Kevin, from the late 80's and up to about 2010, we went through a period where the word "Bass" was almost a dirty word! Many audiophiles wanted "purity in the midrange"and so it was suggested that, bass notes "mudded' that so they had to be controlled / removed / tamed!.. Manufacturers responded by eliminating tone controls, loudness booster circuits etc. Some "audiophile" systems came to sound - almost - like telephone lines!.. The liberal use in amplifier circuits of IC chips (instead of surface mounted components), had a very negative effect as each "chip" had a certain sound signature. In fact some manufacturers suggested an 'upgrade' of their product with a different / better IC chip!.. The Receivers you have on display are _real_ HIFI designs with everything in them 'top - notch', even the metal knobs as you correctly suggested. Having said this, there is now good sounding components but, one has to pay in excess of 4k or 5k ! Also, modern speakers became much more demanding ( less efficient in dB terms) so, more power was required to drive them.. but, that's a subject for another video I guess. Thanks for the video and the memories that came along with all this lovely equipment.
@rotaxtwin
@rotaxtwin 2 жыл бұрын
I have owned a handful of 70s receivers over the last 10 years, As you mentioned, the build quality was fantastic even if you only had 12 W per channel. They are also very serviceable. Metal chassis, machine screws holding everything together. You could fix them.
@jeffersononetwo
@jeffersononetwo 4 жыл бұрын
I agree 100% ... I have a new Marantz 50 watt receiver with individual, discrete amplifiers for each speaker, and it sounds much more dynamic than my previous 90 watt per channel integrated Yamaha. I totally agree with your views on older equipment.
@robertbrown2395
@robertbrown2395 2 жыл бұрын
Talking about what Marantz stole from Harman Kardon?
@jschoenzy9416
@jschoenzy9416 5 ай бұрын
A lot of people recycle these because they're old and assume no one would want them. Husband dies and the wife and kids want to clean out all the old 'junk'. Breaks my heart to learn what has happened to the sound systems my friend's dads used to have. All discarded and they tossed the records too!
@deputy3690
@deputy3690 4 жыл бұрын
The mid to high end gear today sounds great also, it just costs 5 times more.
@rikiastly4078
@rikiastly4078 4 жыл бұрын
Alfalfa Not every Vintage is audiophil, a lot of stuff, but nice look and haptic... not more, old loudspeakers most of them midrange. Today a 300€ box more soundfull and high end like the vintage monsters...
@jm_1214
@jm_1214 4 жыл бұрын
Recapping ruins it. Metal film caps don't sound as good as film foil caps
@coreyfellows9420
@coreyfellows9420 4 жыл бұрын
And craps out 5 times faster
@panblue43
@panblue43 3 жыл бұрын
Hi! You're right, but I think the old flagships were also in horroristic price as in our days. I had lot of marantz amps/receivers and I could tell the pm-7005 sounds as good or better than some vintage marantz. I had marantz 2245,than sr520, pm80, pm52se, etc. Interesting but the most comfortable for my ears and warm sounded was the "commerce" sr520. It is a basic receiver with IC power amp stage but I loved it. Now the pm-7005 sounds clearer, more powerful highlight on the edge of the freq ranges. Wider stage, not that forced mids and not so much treble. Bass is tight and powerful without tone adjust or use subwoofer. Best regards
@keithmoriyama5421
@keithmoriyama5421 3 жыл бұрын
$1000. in the 70's is around $5,000. today. In 1974 you could buy a Datsan 240Z sports car for $2,500. Parents bought a house for $54K in 1971. Sold that same house in 2007 for 1.1 million.
@pgroove163
@pgroove163 3 жыл бұрын
I picked up a Fisher 400 stereo receiver and it's incredible.. those vintage tubes are fantastic
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 3 жыл бұрын
Yes tubes are something else
@louisdefunes8952
@louisdefunes8952 4 жыл бұрын
Of course there are differences in audio equipment qualities, but everythings stands or falls with how(the quality of) the song is mixed in the studio or during a concert.. I think.
@craiglarge5925
@craiglarge5925 4 жыл бұрын
I own 2 Yamaha 7 channel av receivers, a pioneer elite av receiver, as weak as a Realistic State 2100 receiver{1979] and a Marantz 2245 vintage receiver[1973] The sound of the av receivers tend to be rather flat in 2ch stereo mode but do really well in multi channel sound with sub woofers in use. My Realistic State 2100 receiver has a lot of bass without the use of a subwoofer. Now for the marantz 2245, it has over all warm sound to it, not as much bass as the Realistic STA 2100. Sufice to say, it appears that the majority of modern receivers are engineered to bu used with speakers and subwoofers.My Realistic STA receivers was 600.00 u.s. dollars in 1979 new, roughly $2500.00 today!
@JukeboxAlley
@JukeboxAlley 4 жыл бұрын
Vintage is hard to beat in alot of cases especially amps, rotel 1412, luxman l85v, sansui au-7900, pioneer sx-880 etc just to name a few, very tough to beat for the money, but modern speakers well there are alot of good ones out now at decent prices, the audio game is a strange hobby sometimes and what ive noticed for me is that "neutral" really isnt for me so much and really just adds up to boring in most cases for me anyway, ive had some speakers that just are too clean and tight, and amps that are too clean also and doesnt sound full bodied which is what ive noticed also with alot of newer amps, but to each his own, its a neverending journey of a hobby and everything is just different sometimes i guess, not necessarily better i would say.
@ampheat
@ampheat 4 жыл бұрын
everyone had a stereo at home. i remember in the 70s and 80s every middle class home i went to has a stereo system. today i have been to upper class homes and most have cheap mini systems. boggles my mind. I opt for vintage because they built it to last. there was no built in obsolescence. even the japanese were copying and improving american and european audio products. they pulled on the stops on most equipment. No wonder this equipment even after 30 years and brought up to specs with a qualified technician, still sound good.
@killabee623
@killabee623 4 жыл бұрын
Yes man even poor folks back then had stereos they were furniture.
@hoggravyandchitlins
@hoggravyandchitlins 4 жыл бұрын
the 70s was the greatest decade ever for so many reasons.
@rationalmartian
@rationalmartian 3 жыл бұрын
@@hoggravyandchitlins 70s and 80s, for me. Man. I had a ball. Went watching my first two bands in late 77. Thin Lizzy, Bad Reputation, and Motorheads first tour. WOW. I thought I was a fucking bloke. I was just turned 14. Ha ha ha. But. Yeah. Everyone had a stereo of some sort. Quite a few had pretty decent stuff. Virtually everyone I knew, certainly all my mates, we were all mad into music. Even though we were spoiled to all fuck. We had so much choice of incredible music, with more incredible new stuff all the time. I remember about half a doz of us, sat waiting at Collie's for Hursty to come back from Bolton, with the brand new, just released Boston album. Heady days. LOL.
@socksumi
@socksumi 3 жыл бұрын
Owning good hifi was a status symbol of good taste in the 70s. Next to the car, a kick ass stereo was the greatest coming of age toy for young lads.
@hoggravyandchitlins
@hoggravyandchitlins 3 жыл бұрын
@@socksumi AND (as the AMPM guy says) there was so much good stuff to choose from! That was an era when consumerism worked for the consumer, the stereo manufacturers knew their customers were a demanding bunch, if they don't give you what you want and need, the next manufacturer surely would.
@SlightlyDank
@SlightlyDank 4 жыл бұрын
I've got a nice harman kardon 330c receiver paired up with a set of b&o cx100's and the sound is just so warm and crispy, thank you for recommending these speakers in one of your vids!
@jmad627
@jmad627 3 жыл бұрын
This was my first receiver and had it for years. I just gave it to my 14 year old niece this past summer who’s getting good use out of it. I’m so glad I kept it.
@marcgoecke9401
@marcgoecke9401 3 жыл бұрын
I got my parents 1978 Sony Stereo setup and I love it and use it every day. I know it was probably lower middle class back in the day, but I am sadisfied with the sound and the looks of it. Also the record player that came with it is still working great. With a new stylus/cartridge listening to my records is one of my favorite things to do. I even repaired the old stereo speakers and now they are back in my room and sound good.
@josephpowell3949
@josephpowell3949 3 жыл бұрын
I loved those old stereos and had one of those pioneers like the top one you have there! And also had a good NAD system too!
@rabit818
@rabit818 7 ай бұрын
We had a Pioneer SX-650 w matching speakers (idk the model), mom gave it to a cousin’s kid. Fuse was replaced and still working in 2024.
@nodaysback1
@nodaysback1 3 жыл бұрын
They started referring to the Peak Power rating when the shift in marketing moved toward high wattage amplifiers. Peak power is sometimes almost double the RMS power rating, which is the way amps used to be rated. It is a more useable wattage rating.
@Dennis-vh8tz
@Dennis-vh8tz 3 жыл бұрын
Peak power ratings were used until the early 1970's when the US mandated the use of RMS power ratings. Modern power ratings should still be RMS. I think the difference is that modern power supply and amplifier designs can get away with smaller filtering capacitors, which means a smaller reserve of instantly available power to handle fast peaks.
@nodaysback1
@nodaysback1 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dennis-vh8tz Reputable amplifier companies like Crown, QSC and others will state an amp's output power using the rms rating. It's the budget companies that advertise their amps with the peak power rating in big numbers across the ad, exploiting the larger wattage value, sometimes even using it in the model name. Many of the people who purchase budget amps dont know the difference between rms, continuous and peak power. It can make an amp seem to have more bang for your buck and if the competition is doing it, then theother companies will often follow suit.
@callmebigpapa
@callmebigpapa 2 жыл бұрын
I have one of those Marantz and lots of other gear vintage and modern. The main difference that makes the old gear more enjoyable for me to listen to is the loudness curve. It seemed to accentuate the low end at lower volume making it seem fuller sounding. For me this makes the music pleasing. As for dynamics ....horns are the key.
@cameronkrause4712
@cameronkrause4712 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Calvin, I remember that it was right around 1980 that things in hifi changed drastically here in N america. I would walk into hifi shops and it was like a lot of the equipment had shrunk and turned into black plastic crap-there were still some exceptions , but as a young guy who was still struggling to afford my first system my options in the world of new gear had changed. To say that it was depressing was an understatement. I heard that a lot of the best engineers in Japan had taken early retirements. I don't know if that's really true but things sure felt and sounded different.Until this point, some of the best japanese gear was built to last, and the market was a little over saturated as people here didn't need to upgrade what they already had. A while back I heard a usa manufacturer refer to Sansui as Crapsui. I was a little surprised that he would say this, and frankly I would be shocked if any of his class d amps are working in 20 years let alone 40-50 years like my Sansui 661.
@TELEFUNKENU47458
@TELEFUNKENU47458 2 жыл бұрын
still using mine daily.Sounds as good as class a.
@michaelwright1602
@michaelwright1602 Жыл бұрын
Sansui 4000 here. And so true about the 80's with much of the audio gear.
@MarvinHartmann452
@MarvinHartmann452 Жыл бұрын
These class D amplifier don't worth the repair. When they don't work anymore, people throw them in the rubbish where they belong.
@billturner6564
@billturner6564 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone should give this channel a thumbs up and write a comment I here it will help him with the KZbin algorithm This dam lockdown is a nightmare but after I found this channel I have been much more relaxed he has such an honest delivery and gives you his opinion no Bull. I have been influenced in to getting a vintage Kenwood receiver from the 70s and some Monitor audio speakers from the 80s This is a really nice hobby so Thanks a bunch Keep it up
@hifi.david.
@hifi.david. 4 жыл бұрын
I own a Akai AA-1175 and damn i just love the thing
@therealchickentender
@therealchickentender 4 жыл бұрын
All well said and true enough. Nowadays it seems "bit-perfect" and analytically leaning sterile flat curves are the pursuit on one end, and ultra-portable wireless bass-boosted in-the-bin-in-3-years piece at the other end of the spectrum. Just those two bit you've got front & center there are right after my own heart. For 2 decades (was my father's before mine) I had a lovely Pioneer SX-737 (or 727 I can't recall now) that my dad bought new. For the past 10 years now I've gotten along for 95% of my home listening with my Marantz 2235B. It'll never depart, but it is powering some relatively new Wharfedales that I quite love, likely because they sound between worlds - crispy sparkling highs and deep lows like newer kit, and musical mids and lower treble, very warm all around... like the older bits. It definitely is a maze out there.
@onomehtenialb
@onomehtenialb 3 жыл бұрын
Love this. Yes you can have 200 watts a side and higher as long as you have that dynamic headroom he talks about for those intense & delicate moments in the music. Rock & Roll is awesome, but Classical can tax an amplifier to no end. I run all early 80s Nakamichi. PA-7ll, CA5ii preamp, LX 5 deck, and an ST-7 tuner Love the sound and the quality.
@mashtunmoron4103
@mashtunmoron4103 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this. Getting into vintage stereo repair in my free time as a millennial. Sound is hard to explain as everyone perceives things differently but this did a great job of putting into words what I have struggled to tell people for a long time. Il take my old pioneer and marantz speakers over my newer Yamaha/Klipsch surround theater setup every day. The new system sounds good but it doesn't have heart. That's the best way I can describe it.
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 2 жыл бұрын
You feel it in your soul not your ears
@JeffMcNeal
@JeffMcNeal 3 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more. The introduction of the integrated circuit changed everything - for the worse. I'm listening to your video on my restored 1976 Marantz 2325 on a pair of JBL Century L100's. I use them in my recording studio for my amp and monitor. Cheers.
@technics-n-thuiast8346
@technics-n-thuiast8346 3 жыл бұрын
Vintage separates do sound amazing yet I’d try using some new speakers. It seams to me that old speakers don’t hold up as well as the components. Ok, some belt driven tape decks are prone to failure. But it does make sense to keep up maintaining and servicing them if you already have ‘em🤷🏻‍♂️
@robmills537
@robmills537 4 жыл бұрын
I know where your coming from & agree with you I got my first true hifi in 1976 at the age of 16 and it was all about the latest review in what hifi or other mags and the watts & distortion figures. It was a marantz receiver & wharfedale speakers and dual turntable, happy days.
@daniel89ph
@daniel89ph 4 жыл бұрын
Soooo true! You really should hear the old Czechoslovak reel to reel recorder, which can be used also as an amp. It is Tesla B73. You would be blown away. It had some 75 watts power consumption but only 2x10 watts into sound, but you would be blown away by the quality, vividness, and liveliness of the sound. I am only 32, and heard quite a lot of modern Denons, NADs, Yamahas, but none of these approximates that old TESLA B73. Exactly what you are saying. So true.
@gewamser
@gewamser 2 жыл бұрын
I have both beautiful vintage equipment and modern new equipment, and they don’t really sound “better” to me just “different”….but in a good way. You know you crossed over the “audiophile bridge” when you realize that your equipment will put out exactly what the software puts in. So, ultimately it is the software….that you focus on.
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I’m with you sometimes I put on some vintage equipment not even the best I’ve got and I’m just loving it it’s giving me extra in the way
@MarvinHartmann452
@MarvinHartmann452 Жыл бұрын
It's like comparing tubes with solid state, I don't think one is better than the other, they sound different.
@brooklynbummer
@brooklynbummer 3 жыл бұрын
I just put an old Pioneer receiver in the garage. I love the looks, all the options and it sound good.
@PA-Tammy
@PA-Tammy 4 жыл бұрын
Pioneer SX-1080, CT-F1000, SG-9500, Akai GX-635D and HPM-100 "200w" down in my lab Pioneer SX-780, CT-9191, RT-707 and NS-690s
@arnelarson2849
@arnelarson2849 2 жыл бұрын
After being stored in a closet for over 20 years, I decided to unbox my old system from 1978. The system is a low/mid price set-up, but it was all I could afford back then. I have a JVC JA-S22 amp, JVC JT-V22 tuner, and a JVC KD-55 cassette deck along with a Technics SL-230 turntable, and play these through Ohm C2 speakers. The speakers need to be re-foamed, but I thought I would at least try the components to see if they still functioned. The cassette still works fine, but the knobs are a little stiff. Unfortunately, the amp only played for about an hour before a loud "pop" and then no sound. It still gets power, but probably needs recapping throughout. I replaced the disintegrated belt on the Technics turntable, and it also worked fine for about 2 albums and then stopped turning. It still has power and the auto tonearm works if I turn the platter by hand, but no motor power. I'll try some oil first, and go from there. On a separate note, I picked up a Akai GX-260D reel-to-reel off Facebook a year ago and it works fine, and I can play it through another modern Onkyo receiver. Not a top-end tape deck, but it is totally sufficient for what I need. Anyway, it looks like I have some repairs to do to the old components, and hopefully can get this system back and working.
@tyronee.4441
@tyronee.4441 4 жыл бұрын
Yes sir, I have vintage equipment and I stand on it that it definitely sounds better. Soundcraftmen power amp, vintage speakers, polks sda 1, Polk monitor 10, time window speakers, oringinal Bose 601’s. But I did get some updated equipment from Nad power amp, with all its components, newer Polk speakers sounds okay but it DOSENT have the depth like the soundcraftmen amp and the older Polk’s
@bobcat409
@bobcat409 3 жыл бұрын
I have a lower version of your Marantz receiver. Got it in about 9th grade. Still in my living room with the matching Bolivar speakers. 8 watts per channel and it will rattle my windows. I am 58 years old. This was fun.
@rikiastly4078
@rikiastly4078 4 жыл бұрын
I have also some Vintage Hifi equipment. The throughs in the past 70s, early 80s also a lot stuff was sold, only some special equipment sounds good. Also the loudspeakers. Sound is okay also today, most of it you can repair cheap. Feel factor is very good, solid knobs and aluminium front plates. High End like Revox, NAD costs in the past a lot, esoacially in Germany or Austria, not in the USA. Today Hifi between 500€ and 1000€ you get good sounding Hifi! More better than old Pioneer, Sansui etc. Today to expansive, only for people that like this old Vintage style... Old Vintage, nice look, mostly cheap repairs, but repairings of Revox also realy expensive !
@EyesWideOpen77
@EyesWideOpen77 4 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of the blowback regarding the high watt receivers/amps from the '70s comes from A) not having speakers that can handle the higher volume without distorting, or B) not having enough space to give the sound the necessary room to expand. I have owned a Pioneer SX-1050 (120 watts/ch.) receiver for just over 40 years. Unfortunately, the speakers I could pair with it was limited by the size of my residence. About 15 years into my SX-1050 ownership, I rented a 30 x 50 workshop with 16' ceilings in an old industrial building. That seemed like a good time to get a well-kept pair of used Klipschorns. That receiver pushed music through those speakers at a level of clarity that seemed to actually improve with volume. Often, I started out at a level that would have permitted a conversation but at various points I just wanted to HEAR IT BETTER. Each time I would turn it up incrementally so I could hear a little more separation, hear the nuanced bits just a little louder. At a point, it would drown out the sound of my table saw but still didn't seem loud to me. I completely understand what you mean by dynamic headroom and I'm telling you that no matter how loud it was, there was plenty of dynamic headroom. In the late '90s, I went for a hearing test to satisfy my girlfriend who insisted I must be hard of hearing. After it was done, the nurse who was looking at my results with some concern, told me to wait. The audiologist came back to see me and told me that I had perfect hearing (very rare), meaning I hear all frequencies equally well. I asked him the same question my girlfriend asked me; Why do I listen to music so loud? He replied: "Because it sounds so good to you." There's a reason that the sound is so loud at live shows...with all the other variables in place, louder is better.
@roberte.andrews4621
@roberte.andrews4621 4 жыл бұрын
Good story. More than one symphony conductor has gone into their eighties, perfectly able to do their job at a high level, yet sustaining more than 100 decibels of sound pressure at times. Audiologists say 80db for more than a few minutes leads to deafness. Off hand, what would you say your ears weigh?
@MostlyBuicks
@MostlyBuicks 3 жыл бұрын
Usually the power rating was measured a ONLY 1Khz and not fully at 20hz to 20Khz. There were so many ways to cheat as it comes to specs. In my second system I now have a measly 30 watt US made Philips 7831 receiver that reminds me of my old Sherwood. Very, rich, organic, round and whole sounding. But the Sherwood definitely had more real world power.
@shawnbottom4769
@shawnbottom4769 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve delved into the “silver-front” vintage scene. It’s not bad but that was the last step that convinced me to build my own Dynaco ST-70 clone. That was a few years ago and someone would have to try really hard to convince me something better is out there for the money.
@harlowcyclingpage731
@harlowcyclingpage731 2 жыл бұрын
Real class, love my Quad 505 pre amp, very powerful, and the control unit spot on, massive amp.
@HelmutWFanck
@HelmutWFanck 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, it's so nice to hear that👍 Yes...into the 70th the "HiFi" was build maybe for the next 100 years. I own since years a set of Sony pre and poweramp from 1970 and I'm happy with the sound. It's so massive and well build...no plastic.👍 Have a nice and sunny day! 😎
@robc4191
@robc4191 3 жыл бұрын
Having a higher wattage power supply actually allows an amplifier to handle transients better, regardless of whats written on a catalog page.
@dbcooper4666
@dbcooper4666 2 жыл бұрын
Hey stereo x how about an update on where you are and what your up to, plans for the channel etc. I’m sure I’m not the only one who would love to know. Cheers
@socksumi
@socksumi 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure whether vintage sounds "better" but it almost certain sounds every bit as musical and then some compared to most of what passes for stereo these days. I've been going to audio trade shows for years and I've yet to hear anything that makes me want to part with my cherished vintage gear. Quad electrostatic owners know what I'm talking about.
@nordland2235
@nordland2235 Жыл бұрын
I am listening to this video on a Marantz 2275...connected to a pair of Cerwin Vega VS series large floor speakers.
@mostirreverent
@mostirreverent 4 жыл бұрын
The 80s was also a heyday for high end separates also including stuff like threshold in the late 70s
@Badassvidsz
@Badassvidsz 3 жыл бұрын
I do agree with you Greg 1973 -1985 was the best golden actually Platinum era of real audio hi-fi you want build quality ? / sound quality ? / design you name it . Have pleasant Holidays and a Happy New Year , best regards Nick :-)
@RojoDiabloAM
@RojoDiabloAM 3 жыл бұрын
I still have my mid 70's and mid 80's systems . They're not easily replaced in today's world .
@timcorner2821
@timcorner2821 Жыл бұрын
I just picked up a Technics SA-5070 receiver this week off a guy locally. When I auditioned this unit at his place, he connected it to a large pair of floor standing speakers (Technics not sure what model) I was very impressed with the warm sound as well as the ease at which it could drive them. The receiver is in surperb condition and just needs some cleaning of the pots. Note this receiver is rated for 15 watts per channel. Amps in this vintage of receiver are just made well.
@gino3286
@gino3286 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and educational video. I think that sound depends 1) circuit design 2) parts selection I have a strong feeling that designs from '70s are simpler ... very basic Lower parts count In the 70s there were still tube amps and their sound could have been taken as a reference for solid state amps. They were trying to provide a tubey sound ... and people tend to like tube sound The weak point in solid state imho is midrange and ability to provide a well developed soundstage in the 3D ... two normal characteristics of tube amps The more i listen the more these two characteristics are important to me ... soundstage even more than midrange A system very good at soundstage cannot be that bad Thanks again and kind regards, gino
@MarvinHartmann452
@MarvinHartmann452 Жыл бұрын
The mcintosh 250 is good example of an amplifier that they try to get to emulate tubes, and despite sounding different from a tube amplifier, because obviously it's not, it's a very well made amplifier that sounds very good. The same amplifier today would cost thousands to make. I restored one to the original specification for a client and its very well made, very high quality. Oh and BTW, yeah you're right, they are simply made, sometimes, less is more. Another power amplifier that I like is the HK citation 12 with a twin power supply, it makes a huge difference, only rated at 70W channel, like the mcintosh, but it deliver more. It's the same thing for the receiver and other equipment.
@gino3286
@gino3286 Жыл бұрын
@@MarvinHartmann452 hi thanks a lot for the very kind and valuable advice My dream amps are two monos perfectly equal placed as close as possible to speakers but i dont like powered speakers for having the amp inside I hate that I was even thinking to extract the amp from a powered speaker I am a little on DIY I love McIntosh amps especially for their very classy look Very beautiful I Love it The classics will never go out of style
@Elvis-dw7ux
@Elvis-dw7ux 3 жыл бұрын
Zabardast cheers from Toronto....my 1975 Pioneer SX-535 with CS-511 Speakers still chugging along. The Cassette Deck Ct-2121 is now a pre-amp....
@milojenikolovski7522
@milojenikolovski7522 4 жыл бұрын
I drink my coffee and enjoy, regards.
@juvefc123
@juvefc123 4 жыл бұрын
Got into vintage gear a while ago. Fully restored a Sansui Eight, AU-9500, 5000X and now AU-999. Also rebuilding a Sherwood S-5000-II tube amp which looks amazing
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff I’m jealous K
@edmundbrain456
@edmundbrain456 Жыл бұрын
Hi Kelvin ,great video Just one question how do the my Rogers LS7 t speaker would compare tp the Modern Harbeth HL5 Super XD . . Just a general opinion ,notthing to techical .Keep up the great reviews . Cheers EB .
@ossianhaufe4671
@ossianhaufe4671 3 жыл бұрын
The Marantz Receiver 2385 cost 3298 DM in Germany in 1977. That would be a comparatively EUR 4,390.67 today, or around £ 3,730. If I buy a device of this type for £ 3,730 today, it will probably sound pretty good too, and it has Bluetooth 😁
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 3 жыл бұрын
Yes those prices are quite shocking really
@stephenlevine3930
@stephenlevine3930 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, just saw your review on older hifi equipment. Bought mine in 1978, Monitor Audi speakers from one store, Dual 704 turntable from another store and a Luxman R 1030 amplifier from another one, in those days they even let you take them home to see how the sound was in the room you put them. Can't see anyone doing that now. Wonderful system, however, as systems were getting smaller I followed the trend and my larger speakers etc were wrapped up and put in the garage. The smaller Sony all in one never matched the performance and the deck was removed and binned after a few years. After spending 25 years in the garage with the revival of Vinyl or should I say records I brought my old system back into my lounge. It needed cleaning, sanding, revarnishing and new speaker covers. Worst of all I had removed the Shure V15 111 cartridge and stylus for safety and forgot where I put it. It took me three months to find a shop that knew what I needed. The deck is now fitted with a Nagioka M10 which is brilliant, cannot find fault with these vintage components and both old and new records sound marvellous. Always nice to hear what you're doing
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the story
@MrJason9142002
@MrJason9142002 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up in the 80’s. I’d like to hear some vintage gear.
@razegs
@razegs 3 жыл бұрын
9 months later, i would accomodate you, I was born in early 60s, have picked up alot of vintage gear lately.. sansui 990db with a set of sp3500s just for a start... real rumble...
@marks.2909
@marks.2909 Жыл бұрын
I own a Pioneer SX-5990 I use in a home office system driving TeKton Lore speakers spectacularly well , I tried a Accuphase 280 integrate with the high efficiency Lore speakers however when I tried the Pioneer SX 5990 it lit them up ,.I sold the Accuphase .
@louisdefunes8952
@louisdefunes8952 4 жыл бұрын
And sometimes , the listening room of the shop had(has) an higher ceiling; like 3 meters. That also gives a better sound. Not too high, otherwise it will reverberate(like in a church). In proportion to the surface,of course.
@Zockopa
@Zockopa 4 жыл бұрын
The thing is Hifi was for over a decade a very competitive mainstrean buyers market,which resulted in an on average rising quality during the seventies and early eighties. And no,most of the gear was pretty affordable and some had even a stellar price/quality ratio. Especially in the middle class bracket of the market. Additional the buying power of the dollar,pound or mark was way higher than today.
@tedtimmis8135
@tedtimmis8135 3 жыл бұрын
After the 70s, we really went through 25 years of dark ages for audio equipment.
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I would agree with you there
@RUfromthe40s
@RUfromthe40s 3 жыл бұрын
in late 80´s things start to improve a bit but from 79 to 80 ,some components were in brushed aluminium ,next year they look the same but mostly made of plastic ,i had a philips system that had a high quality sound next year the look was the same but instead of aluminium ,just grey plastic with some bit´s in aluminium ,pioneer did the same but in sound quality they keept some with other brands it seems the dark ages of hi-fi,this with mainstream brands others kept the quality but the price was high and they had to close doors or bought by other companies
@RUfromthe40s
@RUfromthe40s 3 жыл бұрын
@@toddblanks yes it´s true but some were just used to never clean the records and still using those needles that you could rotate to the other side and other spike there ,some said 33 on one side and 45 on the other, but those records only played once with those nedles when played in a diamond stylus the sound was already damaged ,so with cd´s they notice a super improvement in sound quality , i had some cd´s in the 80´s but prices were high, i could buy two vinil records with the money of one cd ,but early cd´s were made of a better and more expensive material ,only in the 90´s they start to release cd´s made of a cheaper material and prices came down but only started to buy cds instead of records in 93 ,most of the stores closed and opened only selling cd´s , this after a fair was held where you could buy any record even from independent labels at 50 cents each, this new records , i had to go there twice and fill the back of a mercedes (a big one from the 70´s) with new records, even some that i had but with some defects or to use as a dj ,i don´t remenber how many but i had to buy a new big piece of furniture with shelf´s to fit all the new records, at the time i remenber buying all catalog from 4AD and beggars banquet, regards
@factorylad5071
@factorylad5071 3 жыл бұрын
@@toddblanks I know a lot of what you say is true but I would dispute what you say about amstrad entering people's homes because you probably never had to hear rigonda which was also in the homes of the less well off. You have to wind this one back to the beginning. It was either a Sinclair PZ 60 or the externally compensated OA Texan but you had to build both your self. I think the key is minimalism and high current. Long live Kelvin.
@factorylad5071
@factorylad5071 3 жыл бұрын
@@toddblanks I am terribly sorry you missed the golden age of import hi fi. I was around in the 70 s and got Tandberg 310 three motor cassette deck. My dad had a top of the range FM receiver which I still have to this day.
@kevindavis4709
@kevindavis4709 3 жыл бұрын
You said it all at 6:26. Such a shame stores like Best buy do not appreciate good quality audio anymore. Some people just want to sit back in their recliner and listen to their favorite tunes
@keithsmith8250
@keithsmith8250 4 жыл бұрын
your hard facts is worth a subscription
@erimerdi
@erimerdi Жыл бұрын
I'd also like to add that the mentality or approach to manufacturing and selling consumer electronics was different back then. In addition to what you said in your video, they were honest manufacturers and no doubt they used to build to last. They not only used to compete with other manufacturers due to the high demand of the public for stereo products they also compete within their own organizations and own products. They wanted to take the new products in line to reach the next level and they wanted to be proud of what they made all the time. Today however the consumer electronics market relies on consumers changing their products every 2-3 years so that they can make a profit. In order to do that, they no longer build stuff to last in fact they want consumers to go out and purchase new stuff or change what they have completely so we all should beware that after the warranty runs out your electronics can break down anytime. They compromise with the quality of the materials all the time to make money unless it's a high-end product. The problem with the high-end products is they use ridiculously expensive materials and to be fair they don't sound that good compared to what you pay for them. There is not enough demand from the public today as for most people listening to music means using the stock headphone that comes with their smartphones and playing something off of youtube or Spotify! Today the game is all about marketing and selling you things that you don't really need. Audio Companies also discovered that selling side products like cables is more profitable than selling the actual electronics. No one can persuade me paying 5-10-20K USD per meter for a stupid cable is nothing but the dumbest thing to do! They get you and get you good!
@thorstenamesoder4803
@thorstenamesoder4803 4 жыл бұрын
Sry, my english is Not the best. Im german. Anyway, i'd like to thank you for the very entertaining channel. Fascinating Information on vintage gear, equipment, handling, combined with this typical english sence of humor. Perfect channel. Im searching for affordable vintage Speakers like 24/7 in my corona holiday.. Living in germany its Not tat easy buying affordable vintage, spendor, rogers, harbeth stuff. So. Thanks a lot.
@afistfulofpimples1745
@afistfulofpimples1745 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry to hear that you are German.
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 4 жыл бұрын
@@afistfulofpimples1745 Im sorry to hear you .
@jakefiersing
@jakefiersing Жыл бұрын
This was an eyes opening video for me. Your explainations how the preferences for some technical spects destroyed the better 70s sound according to advertising needs, I heard of for the first time.---- Now I understand why the standard hifi gear of my parents from 1970, with bowl formed speakers, sized maximally like a soccer ball, sounded that good . Thank you very much.🙏👍🤗
@swinde
@swinde 4 жыл бұрын
I still have a 70s system that includes Marantz, Acoustic Research and Thorens and Revox.
@cranky1812
@cranky1812 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, what's your address?
@EyesWideOpen77
@EyesWideOpen77 4 жыл бұрын
That would be your receiver, speakers, turntable and reel to reel, respectively?
@swinde
@swinde 4 жыл бұрын
@@EyesWideOpen77 Close. Marantz 3300 Preamplifier, 250 Power Amplifier, Model 120 Tuner, Acoustic Research AR-3a speakers, Thorens 125 Turntable with Rabco SL-8E Arm with Shure v15-Type III cartridge and Revox A77 4 track Open Reel Tape.
@anthonylawrence60
@anthonylawrence60 3 жыл бұрын
I have that same Pioneer [the one on the top] Bought it new back in 76 .Its still working as good as ever .i have listened to friends modern stereo systems with all their bells and whistles they all sound ok but my old Pioneer wipes the floor with them all
@romanserdyuk9965
@romanserdyuk9965 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you, nowadays we can get stuff we wouldn't even dare to dream about those glorious days. And it does sound brilliant! I'm 42 yo and today I can easily and painlessly afford things that only very rich people could afford to buy back in the day..
@bruceg.6282
@bruceg.6282 2 жыл бұрын
When I was stationed in Germany in 1971, I bought a Sansui AU-888 and a TU-888. Loved them. Played them in the barracks and then at home when I got out. But stupid me traded them for a car that would get me and my motorcycle down to Miami so I could go to college. If I wasn't so old, I'd find a set and buy them all over again.
@jlpcastro
@jlpcastro 4 жыл бұрын
Love your style, hello from San Francisco
@Robertodette
@Robertodette 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a Pioneer SX 1050, with a Pioneer PL 570 turntable and a pair of Accusound speakers in 1977 for $2000. I blew the speakers up twice while they were under warranty and the guy in the store said he wouldn't replace them again. He suggested I go to radio shack and get a watt meter, which I did. When the new pioneers came out a year or two later, they had watt meters built in. I still have the set up now, although the speakers only have one tweeter and one midrange each now (I installed the midrange and tweeters in the back of my 73 mustang in the 90's but put them back in the enclosures after the car rusted out from under me)
@haqitman
@haqitman 3 жыл бұрын
I think nostalgia plays a big part here. What you listened to in your teens and 20s is what you'll want later in life, no matter if it sounded good or bad. On paper, old muscle cars are not good cars compared to new cars but people pay dearly for them all the same for the experience they remember. Some old receivers were and still are decent systems (i have several) but newer stuff can blow them away if you get the right stuff.
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 3 жыл бұрын
Yes interesting point you make I do think brand loyalty is an amazing thing that works in that nostalgic way they remember that brand is the thing that was great and they want to stick to it it probably is a bit irrational for sure. K
@frankcolliton10
@frankcolliton10 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 1977 mcintosh amp and a pioneer tuner from the mid 70s. Listen thru hoyt bedford monitors. Absolutely beautiful, amp has tremendous headroom.
@beslemeto
@beslemeto 4 жыл бұрын
The vintage sound equally good compared to modern equipment for sure,but the problem is as much as this is realised the more expensive vintage gets 😅
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 4 жыл бұрын
Yes this is the problem the fun days are over. There are still bargains out there though
@robinmorton7542
@robinmorton7542 2 жыл бұрын
There was good equipment around in the 80's too. My first separates system consisted of a Mission Cyrus One, a pair of Tannoy M20 gold speakers and a Dual CS501 turntable.
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 2 жыл бұрын
Yes the missing Cyrus is definitely a brilliant bit of kit I did have one for awhile surprising it’s so small
@mikepxg6406
@mikepxg6406 2 жыл бұрын
@@stereoreviewx and no awful tone controls or built in tuner.
@ajvboston1
@ajvboston1 4 жыл бұрын
Vintage Audio Recommendations, Receivers, Amps, and Speakers PLEASE!
@mostirreverent
@mostirreverent 4 жыл бұрын
Look for a Adcom GFA555 power amp and build around that. There are tons of great preamps like motif threshold
@katyg3873
@katyg3873 4 жыл бұрын
Marantz, silver pioneer, silver Sony str, vintage speakers aren’t really worth it because they will need repairs. Cheaper Modern speakers sound better anyway.
@Foxrock321
@Foxrock321 2 жыл бұрын
And to think, all this vintage HiFi equiptment was reviewed back in the day by Stereo Review Magazine which I had a long running subscription….and my first Record player was the Dual 510
@discoveryman59
@discoveryman59 4 жыл бұрын
To make a long story short YES the 1970's stuff IS better!!!!
@jonmason1955
@jonmason1955 3 жыл бұрын
You hit it dead on. I have a 1971 Harmon Kardon 330A. Bought during my college frat house days stereo wars. Still using totothis day. Only in the shop once to have lights replaced. A neighbor laughed and joked with me about having old-school equipment, including my two way floor standing Advent speakers and Dual turntable. He was blown away we I demonstrated the sound including the newer CD/DVD through it. What also shocked him was the "instant" sound from when off! But you are so dead on about vintage receivers!
@stereoreviewx
@stereoreviewx 3 жыл бұрын
Nice one I just switched back to a vintage lamp from a naim power amp Accu phase preamp It’s not technically as exactly correct but it does deliver a gorgeous sound That’s sansui au 101 btw
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