DOF Reality Motion Platform Update | Exclusive Interview with CEO on improvements for Sim Pilots

Some exciting improvements planned for DOF Reality motion platforms aimed directly at flight sim pilots. Join me for this exclusive interview with Igor Demenchuk and see what is in the pipeline!
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[@SimHangerFS]

See the follow up video (and solution) here kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpukiJ-pfdR6b5Isi=IxImroP6A47RnDWa

[@aengberg1]

Could you do another video where you show how I hide this purchase from my wife?

[@SimHangerFS]

🤣

[@MrRyan83]

Just say you were thinking of flying for real, but you may die doing it so maybe better to get a sim 😉

[@bobsmytheable]

Just say it’s a fancy exercise bike!

[@aengberg1]

@@MrRyan83 And it's cheaper too!

[@evanphotography5149]

lol man up brother, we live once!

[@mrrm1st]

I ordered my H3 last week thanks to reviews from you and Steve VR FS guy. I’m very excited!

[@H.Despres]

Well spoken Igor…. greetings from Ottawa. I’ve owned my H6 for years now and only do flight simulation. Looking forward to your progress in solving these issues. Thank You Mark.

[@aengberg1]

I ended up on the website and went straight from the H3 to the H6.... to the P6. My credit card wants to do it so bad....!

[@iboviper]

Shit company

[@Klaas_H]

Thanks Mark. You hit the nail right on the head with the two most important questions: The cogging problem and the lack of diplomacy of DOF customer services. Thanks Igor for dealing with these issues.

[@julianhall2008]

Hopefully it won't cost too much to sort this problem out, I have noticed it but it doesn't spoil the experience for me. I have the p3.

[@mrrm1st]

Do you understand that if the stepping issue is solved with a gearbox that would only apply to new products or that it can be retrofitted to existing models?

[@SimHangerFS]

I believe they are looking at a solution to address retro fitting units with sfu.

[@tra757200]

Sounds like you are feeling the stepper motor steps, seeing how big they are. Gearing them up should smooth any steps out.

[@gerryabbott]

Another great video Mark. I'm wondering what is going to be the trade off of gearing the motor to run faster. I'm guessing its going to create/generate more heat, and possibly pull more power. It may also reduce the absolute range of acceleration, at the upper limit. Hoping Igor looks at this thread.

[@pedromonroig]

I am planning to buy three H6 but per this interview looks like its better they finish the improvements and wait for your vídeo reviewing the improvements. Im Correct?

[@ricardograde5134]

Like a pilot that I am, the “stepping” like you call it, is really bad… truly disappointed. But you can’t imagine how happy I am knowing they are dressing this problem… because the way it is, I will not keep this platform for long. This is how bad this “stepping” is. If they solve this, I will definably be thinking in an H6 for the future… Best regards to you Mark.

[@DMan-ud6bt]

Question for Igor: After you have resolved the stepping issue this summer, would there be a way for those who have recently purchased the H3 to get the fix in the mail or would it be advisable to wait until the fix is included in the purchase price? Or, will the fix be an add-on/upgrade that costs more than the H3 itself?

[@davewills6121]

Nice mobility scooter, watch out for pedestrians

[@SimHangerFS]

😂

[@chrisflack-we8gc]

Can you tell me how much you paid for import tax ? I am trying to figure out the financial side of purchasing

[@davidmarsden8389]

hi can you advice how strong the pedal plate it, i cant seem to get this from dof. My pedals are very stiff even on easiest setting, so require a lot of pressure to generate stopping power. Hope you can help

[@SimHangerFS]

Pedal plate is screwed into position. Angle selectable

[@seattime4075]

Unfortunately to really fix this stepping issue, real servo motors need to be used with an obvious increase in cost.

[@DallasJW1]

I'm sorry, but this is a much bigger issue than you let on. Regardless of motion, the stepping very noticeable. To the point where this is just how the platform moves. I have spent time emailing DOF, and spent time with SRS software support. I have the H2, and it comes with the motor assembly built. It's so bad that, I would tell people not to buy. The platform, just shakes... not moves.

[@SimHangerFS]

Sorry to hear that, your experience seems very different to mine. Make sure you have the latest DOF Tools update and test using default profile. Maybe one of your motors is defective?

[@iboviper]

Go for another brand folks. DOFReality suck bigtime when it comes to customer relations and support. Went for the H6, two weeks later they dropped the price on the P6 without leaving any notification on this. Worst buy ever!

[@dave-j-k]

Nice video, thanks for that. Its good to see a forward-thinking dev team at work. I have an H6 on order, can't wait for it. As regards the cogging effect on slow motion, I believe they are using brushed DC motors? Maybe a move to AC servos would benefit here; they have full torque down to zero RPM, and are very smooth, I run CNC machinery with these and they are very fast too, just a thought.

[@Glider324]

If they get this sorted, I'd be very interested in a H3/H6 or P3/P6 early next year unless the Aus dollar tanks or shipping costs get even worse.

[@vrcombat8587]

I was on board to buy last summer, almost bought the h6, I just check their site, the h6 is now $7400.... wth, doubled in price in recent years, so I saved up, for nothing, I'm chasing... inflation? I'm bummed, I e been waiting for a stepping fix before I buy, however I may never catch up to the h6 increases. Was gonna go to fsexpo just to try the new gearbox. I'll just standby and hear from this channel. @op you should do a video review at the expo this week.

[@VR_Aviator]

I really wish there was a Canadian warehouse. The international shipping and duties push it out of my budget.

[@Klaas_H]

Igor is in Canada. He might have a few in his garage.

[@MrMarkaverett]

Thank you for your channel Mark. I have had my DOF P3 for 1 year now and I can't even explain how much I love it! It is the ONLY thing in FS that I have never had trouble with. MSFS sometimes has it's crashing problems and my Varjo glasses every once in a while, but not that faithful DOF. I can't wait to see the improvements in the future and at some point I will probably purchase a second DOF for Helo flying. I'm to lazy to change out the controllers.

[@RobertGeez]

Hi Mark. I’m from Portsmouth and have a similar setup. We should meet up for a coffee. 😊

[@GYGOtv]

Great interview Mark! Appreciate your candor and willingness to be open and honest with Igor. I personally think the gearbox method is the right fix so I'm very optimistic the cogging will soon be a thing of the past for people.

[@blakieracing]

Dof could really up sales by making an actuator systemwith the magic box to fit omega sim rig systems..4 leg actuator with magic box..

[@stephengomes977]

I hope they can release an upgrade/retro fit kit. My P6 is coming in a week so, looks like mine won’t have the gearbox Igor is talking about 🙁

[@kanzaja]

Amazing😮 because i used to see thing like this for a racing car i want to havs it but not enough space and money sadly😅

[@elguindy]

Thanks Mark for all the efforts you do another great video and great interview I am actually writing my comment while sitting in my H3 DOF Reality The only comment I will say is that the seat I paid for big price plus customs is small for me I am 200lbs and I feel my hips are slammed in the seat I have to raise my self with three cochins to be able to use it. I wish they explained which seat fits which size I am going to buy another seat not from them but until I recover the cost as customs and shipping were huge hit . I communicated with their customer services over 10 times but never the size of the seat was discussed which should be a priority. Cheers

[@GetOffMyyLawn]

I just watched a video yesterday kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppe3lX16Z7SUoaM&t that explains the complexity of the physics involved in tricking the brain with a flight motion sim. Maybe for small movements, they should be filtering them out.

[@baomao7243]

Man, that looks awesome. I wish i were an ophthalmologist so i could just tell my wife it is a new (tax-deductible) chair for patients. Or maybe i could call it a weight/fitness machine and just hang a few barbells on it to camouflage its true purpose. Sucks.

[@SimHangerFS]

🤪🤣

[@shi4stone]

Thanks for the great video. I finally ordered one on Monday as well, after rewatching your 100 day experience video before I push the button. However, regarding their support, it’s pretty pretty fast when I asked the question last week about mounting possibilities for a rhino for feedback stick and also to my follow-up questions but I haven’t got any response for my question regarding my order since Monday, which got me a little bit worried or confused. Seeing this video at least reassured me that they are still around and kicking so that’s good.

[@shi4stone]

Update, I did got a response from the support yesterday, very shortly after resend the request. Probably my initial query was sent through a wrong channel by replying directly to the order confirmation email.

[@salomonelvio9854]

Thanks Mark, I always enjoy your content. My request is not technical but financial. I was thinking that it great if DOF had some kind of program that would enable customer to purchase a rig and pay in instalments.

[@SimHangerFS]

Great suggestion!

[@saren6538]

Thanks for this Mark. This was fantastic. Can I ask about your set up? What about the up-and-down motion of these units is that possible, or is there an upgrade that you can add that?

[@SimHangerFS]

The H3 has pitch (up & down) roll left & right and yaw

[@saren6538]

@@SimHangerFS yes I know I meant more like a bounce direct up and down as what happens in updrafts and down drafts in real life .. also is the turbelence convincing I’m on the rig ?

[@SimHangerFS]

@@saren6538 oh..sorry misunderstood, on a P6 or H6 this function (surge & heave) are separately simulated. On H3 it is there via pitch & roll, you can feel turbulence…somewhat limited though.

[@larrysouthern5098]

That thing looked like it was going to take off and start running... anyway I like what you have done,,,,Great Video..cya

[@markstevens4920]

I decided to buy a H3 on your recommendation. Wow Dof reality how bad are there customer service? Bearing missing from H3 install kit. Adam's reply from customer support was a very unhelpful it should be in the bag. Next the product key code was not recognised. Adams answer (eventually) have you tried the product key code. Of course I have, does he think I'm some sort of moron. So now I have a 3.5k ornament which does nothing, still waiting for a resolution. Very bad company to deal with when things go wrong.

[@robertmcdaniel8147]

Hi Mark, My goal is to purchase a flight sim to maintain my flying skills between my flights in a real single engine aircraft. The practical choice seems to be between an NLR V3 platform/Flight Simulator Pro combo ($4597 total) or a DOF Reality H-3 with a Sparco seat ($3319total). Can anyone provide any insight on which sim would best fit my needs? Thank you very much.

[@evanphotography5149]

Have H6 as a demo with the new upgrades for us to try it out please to get full experience with flight sim. Thanks for the interview Mark.

[@Vindaloooooo]

Looking for motion that will do flying and driving well with fast and slow movements. I do hope whatever fix they come up with will work well for those into all aspects of different sims and not a choice between gearing that suits flying and gearing that suits driving.

[@SimHangerFS]

I believe that is very much in their minds. Gearbox could be the solution hopefully.

[@uneCENT]

Looks good, but some of those accessories should be standard. For instance the cover so it's protected and people don't get hurt. It also needs triple large monitor support not just one tiny one or vr. Good idea but really needs more maturity

[@miraclealigner]

The product is amazing, but customer support is horrid

[@TrevUk]

Im upgrading my whole setup in about 3 yrs, so looking forward to the perfect machine, thanks flight sim community and Igor for listening to them. ❤

[@TrevUk]

I'm also pretty sure it's pronounced E,gor.

[@demdirtyboyz247]

Did you test the new gearbox at the FSexpo this weekend, and any details on when it's ready to ship, I ready and waiting to buy based on this cogging issue being fixed. Been waiting for this event since your interview with Igor.

[@SimHangerFS]

Fully tested, video coming soon.

[@benthomas8038]

so do you think then that the new H3 will give a better ride than the old P3 without the SFU upgrade, and how would it compare to the older version of the P3 but with the SFU upgrade?

[@SimHangerFS]

SFU is better than non-SFU . Never tried the P3 so reluctant to pass comment.

[@leifandersen2756]

Isn’t a bit ridiculous to sit in simulator like this ? Which surely has not been cheap.It looks weird .

[@aapje]

It's not a fashion item.

[@captainwealthy]

Will we have a UK stockist of this DOF, H3 ??

[@SimHangerFS]

Not that I am aware of. Shipped from Poland.

[@claybomb1064]

👍

[@SheepdogTV]

They very much need a warehouse in North America. I went to order a H3, but the shipping to the US (Colorado) was around $650. That was unfortunately a deal breaker for me.

[@mikegc3816]

Been made redundant, so I think one of those is out of the question for me!

[@Klaas_H]

No. definitely not! You have not been made redundant. The position you held has been made redundant.

[@Glider324]

@@Klaas_H well said

[@SimHangerFS]

Sorry to hear that . Genuinely hope things sort themselves out for you.

[@mikegc3816]

@@Klaas_H Yes thats true LOL. Maybe I should have said I feel like I'm redundant

[@mikegc3816]

@@SimHangerFSDont worry mate could not afford one anyway

[@theshazman]

Hopefully they dont charge you $500 for the "upgraded" gears..

[@iconcity]

I LOVE my H3 - Thanks so much :)

[@isaacgoren542]

hi mark , see you in vegas .i am following you for few years now ( close to 500 hours on hp g2 ) , meta quest 3 new in the box not install yet ... I believe my last major upgrade will be motion platform ...

[@SimHangerFS]

Look forward to meeting you 😊

[@baomao7243]

Looks fun. But huge! (Looks like some kind of weird combo made from a weight room set, a blood draw chair, and an optometrist station.)

[@SimHangerFS]

😂

[@toastie1488]

Love your videos🤩If only I had space😅 My fiancée wouldn't want it in the living room 🤷‍♂️

[@SimHangerFS]

😂

[@shi4stone]

Btw, which seat you are using ?

[@SimHangerFS]

I’m using one from Next Level Racing. Had to mod it though to fit.

[@cyrilgpilot]

Thanks for the answer, I thought you didn't need any mod for this kind of seat 😮

[@shi4stone]

@@SimHangerFS hi again Mark, can you please elaborate a little on what mod you needed to do? I’m struggling to trying to find a suitable seat for fly sim that I can buy here in Europe especially one with the middle cut out. And now my h3 is already being shipped I don’t want the seat being a show blocker

[@SimHangerFS]

@@shi4stone see here dofreality.com/available-options/ Plus Monstertech I believe are mostly compatible - www.monster.tech/en/ I had to drill out (enlarge to a slot) the back cross rail to fit my NLR chair.

[@shi4stone]

@@SimHangerFS thanks again!

[@jayphi4095]

After making 3 months of comparison of design features, characteristics and cost effectiveness ratios of all major motion platform trends, I conclude that DOF reality is the worst example. Very noisy, difficult to stabilize and balance, not secure because no brakes except perhaps if you invest in new options, very limited motion ranges by design, very inaccurate for very small movements and finally very poor cost effectiveness ratio. If you add that it is coupled to SRS software that necessitate installing a physical witmotion sensor but compensates only 2 directions when used in VR (motion compensation is mandatory in VR)…I however admit that their marketing is well done, particularly through influencers. So dear Mark, I’m very surprised of your position, please try a real motion platform based on mechanical actuators like a steward type design and you would surely revise you opinion….

[@josep2389]

And witch is your option of platform?

[@hookup327]

Thanks Mark that was very informative keep up the good work, just one question what is the box on the top left hand side of the throttle quadrant cheers Stu.

[@SimHangerFS]

Octavi. See my review here kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5C8ooSYjMR0rZYsi=LuXntI4wyWtUMMBw