Doing A Job For My Brother-In-Law - Manual Machining

My Brother-in-law rebuilds high end racing transmissions. He sent me this job but never did tell me what it is. I am guessing it is for his transmission work.
Simple 4 jaw and mill job.
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[@TheUncleRuckus]

Nothing to add just an obligatory algorithm boost for the channel. 👍👍

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Thanks.

[@grilnam9945]

Ditto

[@jayhartigan946]

Yea, what he said.

[@wmweekendwarrior1166]

Right on

[@oldschool1993]

Josh- " I got it all bored and milled, you can pick it up." Brother in Law- " BTW, did I mention that the hole has to be perpendicular to the tapered block"

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Lol, if he says that I'm going to throw it at him. Funny thing is I considered splitting the difference and boring it between the faces, so 1/8" off from the milled face.

[@ellieprice363]

😕😕 A hole is a hole unless it’s identified with some kind of tolerance or angle. Josh is in the clear on this one.

[@robertoswalt319]

When I first saw that chunk of metal, I wondered if a bearing was going into the hole. Then I decided that Josh knew the questions to ask. I then settled in for the ride.

[@paulerickson1906]

I was just thinking that myself

[@rexmyers991]

I was thinking the same. “I sure hope that hole is perpendicular to the correct plane”

[@ypaulbrown]

gotta love those precision 'Paint Marker' layout lines....

[@Frank-Thoresen]

I really cringed. I would have sent a simple technical drawing but I guess they speak the same term language so it went well 😄

[@ypaulbrown]

@@Frank-Thoresen guys I work with do the same with sharpie markers...... and their work shows it, and I have to fix it and weld it

[@CGT80]

There was a punch mark for the center of the hole and the line was only an indicator with instructions to cut it by 1/4". That sounds specific enough to me. He also mentioned that the placement wasn't critical.

[@JonathanDeaux]

ahhh, family. My SIL was crying his AC was out in his old ranger in the summer. Said he had to wait a few months to save up for the $900 quote he got. Had leaking accumulator and condenser. Located the parts locally (aftermarket), $225 and 5 hours later, his stuff was fixed. I didn't have anything else planned for the day, but he was so appreciative of it.

[@bendugas8632]

Truly a professional job, it's nice to watch someone who knows what they are doing. Thank you for sharing.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Thank you very much!

[@willgallatin2802]

I haven't seen the live center, dead center trick used in a long time. Thanks for the reminder. I'll most likely need to do that in a week or so.

[@mikep1085]

Great work. I think odd one-off pieces like this are where shops like yours really excel! One question that came up when you were boring it.... have you ever had an odd-shaped piece come out of the lathe while its spinning? Thats got to be terrifying in the moment!

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Odd, low volume and large piece work is all I do. And second op work for CNC shops. Never had one come out of the 4 jaw, have with a 3 jaw. Anytime you hold something odd, just be mindful of any potential problems and do the job accordingly.

[@robertmray]

Besides being entertained I learn something with every video..good job.

[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

Well you did a good job of making it whatever it is. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.

[@RalfyCustoms]

Good afternoon Josh, thunderstorms here, as I settle in to watch this with a fresh hot brewed coffee, thanks for sharing, and have a great one

[@Paul-FrancisB]

Good afternoon Josh and Ralfy, it chucking it down here in Lincolnshire as well, looks like the village fête will be inside the pub more than in the🍺 garden 😂

[@RalfyCustoms]

@Paul-FrancisB good luck bud, it's just blown over your way from here 👍🏻

[@bostedtap8399]

A few seconds of you using the tailstock, with rapid index, lock to bed etc was engineering heaven, Monarch know their lathes. A guy in a production toolroom, would fight to get on a Monarch. Thanks for sharing

[@shuntawolf]

Cool trick to get the hole centered!!!! Gonna have to remember that!!!!

[@nicholasmicchelli6979]

Nice work. Congrats to the grads.

[@cj7jeep81]

Those clamps look like they'd be really handy, will have to keep an eye out for them.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I need to get more, lots more.

[@StuartsShed]

Brilliant - I always pick up good tips from these vids - even simpler jobs like this. There’s always a trick to learn in the setup. 👍

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Glad you are still learning from me. I almost feel like I'm running out of tricks.

[@StuartsShed]

That’s just because you’re deep into it. For those paying attention there are extra details to be picked up - stuff you gain through a lot of experience, that others just don’t have. Now I want to go and drill a big hole in something.

[@ellieprice363]

Good job Josh. I wondered how you were going to machine the angle on that odd shaped part. Your years of experience paid off; the part didn’t slip and it turned out just right.

[@brian_2040]

Glad i got to watch a topper video in the heat of the day. Doing a oil cooler gasket on my truck, got hot and came in to cool off until later. Good work Mr Josh.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Yuck, I need to do the same on my truck.

[@ypaulbrown]

thank you Josh, glad to see you back in action, hope you are getting caught up, Paul

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Far from caught up, but way too much cool stuff not to film.

[@BruceBoschek]

Thanks for another educational and entertaining video.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@gregdawson1909]

taper shank hoglegs are all we use to rough out holes, pretty slow, coolant, no pilot or even a center drill, tickle it till it stops jumping and go right as big as you can still clean up.

[@leonardhirtle3645]

Anchorlube. I put that stuff on everything.

[@warrenjones744]

SAVE THAT MORSETAPER SHANK!!! you never know when you need to make some oddball tool holder out of it! 🤣

[@alanm3438]

I did not expect to see you today, so that makes it a nice surprise. I do not know much about machining, but I thought it was neat how you were able to put a odd shape into you chuck. I hope that the part works well for him. It is always good to see you. Thanks for your work on the project and the video!!!!!!

[@randydobson1863]

Hi Josh & it''s is Randy and i like yours video is Cool & Thanks Josh & Friends Randy

[@dcole109]

I like the thought process for setups.

[@andrewking4846]

Making big chips with a drill on a lathe might be my favorite thing to do. Keep up the great work.

[@JoTa8389-gu9vi]

Enjoyed that, my dad worked in the machine shop in a textile plant, it looks like you have some of the same age equipment he worked on.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Not much modern stuff is any good.

[@DouglasRees-c6j]

Fast way to do the hole. Hold the the plate by hand in the open chuck then run the lathe center into the punch mark to pin the plate in the chuck. Tighten jaws on chuck evenly. Retract center and do all the drilling on the lathe. Runout will be very minimal!🙂

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Still need to indicate even with this method.

[@dcole109]

I liked the additional use of tooling. It was good for the video.

[@DouglasRees-c6j]

I agree on the indicating being needed if better than +/- 1/32 is needed. And I learned a new indicating method watching how Josh did it. Great videos as always!

[@acmemachining]

Those clamps did a great job, even on un-parallel surfaces.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Sure did.

[@Rustinox]

I like your clamps you used on the milling machine. They seem to work very well.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

First time ever using them. Very happy with the way they work. Have to buy more.

[@cougarhunter33]

Grats to the grads. You got two views out of me on this one. That face milling and the thunder outside me right back to sleep. Guess I wasn't ready to get up this morning.

[@gofastwclass]

I wondered how you would fixture that bit, far simpler than what I was thinking. Nice work and care as always even for the non-critical spec part.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I tend to treat every job with high standards. It keeps the customers coming back. In this case, keeps family happy.

[@gofastwclass]

@@TopperMachineLLC This is why I like you, we have the same standards.

[@mfc4591]

The Chinese chuck got chucked in the right place, its probably also made of mystery metal, but to less specific tolerances than you used for this job.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I agree. I can't believe I held onto it this long. I have a couple more that will be disappearing soon as well.

[@TomDoingItWrong]

Josh, can you briefly discuss whether or not a absolutely flat flat surface is necessary for a project like that? What I am trying to compare this to is a jointer used in woodworking, and how you would go about achieving that same kind of starting surface. That piece looks pretty gnarly on the unfinished side. Fun episode!

[@TopperMachineLLC]

The surfaces looked worse on camera than it actually was. Kind of like my face, lol. It is so easy to hit perfect flatness on the mill that it is not worth it not to try.

[@greatvaluewalmart]

Well done, congrats to the graduates

[@dc5723]

Awesome!

[@troyfortune4124]

I just love this channel!❤

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Thank you!

[@pogan1983]

You've made my day with the long-awaited moment ;D

[@ElmerJFudd-oi9kj]

Have fun at the graduation party. Interesting clamps those, thanks Josh.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I need to find some more of these things. They work great.

[@smudgemo]

I like the jobs I could do with the machines I have in my garage, although I'd need to dust off the drawings I have for similar clamps and make them first.

[@michaellehmann280]

Great work Josh. Really liked them hold down clamps!

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Thanks, I've never used them before. Definitely like them.

[@alexmclennan3011]

Good vids. be nice if you would include speeds and feeds for those of us learning . Thanks

[@TopperMachineLLC]

All of that information is in the machinist handbook. But, they are only guidelines, not set in stone rules. Play with your machine and see what it will do. A monarch will do way more and a south bend.

[@frankerceg4349]

Thank you Josh!

[@Mcphilsmith]

Congrats, grads. How cool that your dad has 100k subs?

[@stephenmeeks684]

Good job on your brother’s part.

[@edsmachine93]

Nice work Josh. Have a great weekend. 👍

[@fricknjeep]

hi there good show . best to all john

[@gregforster5913]

Greg from northern Michigan. It's Idontknowitium. You can tell by the color and twist rate of the drill chip. It's much lower cost then Unobtainium from China. Love your videos. 😊

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Even just the feel of it I knew it wasn't A36. I'm sure it will be fine for his needs, but still a crappy material.

[@greglaroche1753]

Another interesting video. I can watch chips fly all day long. Thanks.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@CEngineering-pv8uw]

Nice work Josh, but seems like a lot of work just to level a pool table.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Lol. I doubt that's it's purpose knowing him. But then again, you never know.

[@ПетрКурнев]

Good job! I like it. 💥

[@brykalaero]

Hey Josh, I do the tapper in the lath. Just offset the 0..250" and machine it flat.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I have done that, but I couldn't show off thses awesome clamps.

[@brykalaero]

@@TopperMachineLLC With clamps like those you would have to use them. I get it!! Thanks for the great videos, your channel and CEE in Oz. are my go to. No BS, just get on with it.

[@rich873]

You should get a small waterjet.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I have no need for computerized machines. Small isn't my style either. I do farm that stuff out for the odd job, but I have no real need. Nor could I justify the cost or real estate to have I.

[@ianpaterson5000]

Never throw a chuck key away!

[@petegraham1458]

Nice you could help,

[@billbutler8141]

I love your videos. Always learn something from watching! I always seem to have "stupid questions...... When you were setting up the work in the lathe, it already had a center hole. Before bringing in the jaws would it have helped to hold the work in place with a dead center? that would seem to get it really close before final dialing in.

[@michaelhenry4405]

05:00 😂. I've been looking for a reason to do this... I thought we were going to see a chuck rebuild or something... Nope. Bin! Lol

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Best place for Chinese junk. The new chuck is way better.

[@VetSemperFi]

I don't know what it is either but knowing him... it's the base for a cat climbing post on his unleveled floor... that or a paper weight. :)

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I hadn't even thought of something for the cat. Lol

[@badgerdad777]

Satisfying seeing chips fly.

[@donteeple6124]

Morning Josh, Know you are as busy as Ive been. Seems like ya never catch up, and then the weather throws ya curve ball and screws up all your plans to do the outside stuff...LOL That was def mystery metal, the way it was flowing off the cutters it sure seemed to have alot of lead in the content. Maybe 12L14? or a brother of that.....hmmmmmm....Hope all is well there, and Connor is still helping out and learning as much as he can. Great vid, looking for more when ya have time. Don

[@TopperMachineLLC]

It has been so busy here. I'd love to be out working on my own stuff, but gotta make hay when the sun shines. Hopefully I can get back to my personal projects soon.

[@philliplopez8745]

It seems that few people realize the importance of tightening all of the holes in the chuck

[@wallbawden5511]

Hope you got some done as your posting videos again missed you even for your short break we now can see some proper jobs getting done right first time Big Cheers mate

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I'm still behind, but I gotta keep this going too.

[@wallbawden5511]

Being behind not such a bad thing as long as you have a bit of light at the end of a very long tunnel At least there paying jobs and we all need them and to know you are not surching for the next job is good also keep up the great work and drop a video when you can ill be here looking for them for sure Cheers

[@TopperMachineLLC]

@@wallbawden5511 the big problem is that this is our favorite time of year to do fun things. No fun isn't good either.

[@duaneohall]

Josh, the centering would have been much easier if you had used the live center to pressure hold the part in the face of the Jews and then tightened the jaws to conform. That would have gotten you within a few adjustments of the final position almost instantly.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I always used to do that, but it was never close enough. Still had to indicate.

[@duaneohall]

@@TopperMachineLLC Yeah - its just a way to get really close to begin with.

[@ellkir1521]

Newbe here. Just learning: Why didn't you do the drilling on the mill or drill press instead? Seems like it would be less hassle and less dangerous should the jaws slip on the lathe.

[@e.scottdaugherty8291]

Another bump for the algorithm, all hail the Algorithm.

[@larrywalker7759]

Honey Do and Brother-In-Law projects are top priority in life. 😁

[@carrollprice1213]

I would have milled it flat before boring, or at least drilled it with the flat side against the chuck jaws.

[@glennmoreland6457]

Good ☹️🇬🇧

[@BrucePierson]

It would be interesting to know what this thing is used for. Hope you can find out when you give it back to your brother-in-law.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I have the answer and will do a follow up video.

[@jakewhitney8201]

Did you ever find out what it was for? Very curious...

[@twotone3070]

Just doing my bit.

[@frankish5314]

Very nice Josh!. I'm kinda surprised that you didn't do the whole thing on the mill and that you didn't machine a parallel edge and clamp it in the vise? Its cool to watch different approaches.. I guess I just really don't like 4 jaw chucks.. Or at least I need more practice with it..:)

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Lathe is way faster than a boring head on the Bridgeport.

[@frankish5314]

@@TopperMachineLLC Good to know, thankyou!

[@erik_dk842]

I would like to see at least a picture of the thing in use

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Check the follow-up video

[@FredKirchhoff-d2q]

I see you have 2 Bridgports in your shop. why are you setting up and boring that in the lathe? You could have drilled, bored, and machined it in one set up.???

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Boring Heads are slow and not as precise as the lathe.

[@Dave_Smith_1958]

When you find out what it’s for please post

[@beyondmiddleagedman7240]

I wonder if that isn't a fixture to "back cut" a pressure angle on a gear.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Answer on the Wednesday follow-up video.

[@onemoredeadman]

It's a dingle wot, works in conjunction with a doo hickie

[@texxasal]

Just wondering if a dollop is bigger than a glob?

[@Crypto666]

It's looks like a part to fix a screw up; nothing is square.

[@MurlWatne-io2bo]

I think i would of set it up on the Radial drill. I dont about that big of drill in a Jacobs chuck.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Suppose I could have. But radial already had a job set up in it.

[@71Giggles]

Question and please bear in mind my absolute ignorance - was there a reason why you didn’t face the part in the lathe when it was set up for boring?

[@Rigoknow]

👍

[@Airtight215]

You haven’t used the Lion lathe in a long time, is something wrong with it?

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I use it everyday. It is set up on jobs. The monarch is not used everyday.

[@haroldchoate7497]

It would be interesting to know what this piece is for. Given the irregular shape and odd angles, my guess is that it’s to repair something and this is a patch. Am I close? It’s very good to see this video posted, I was beginning to get worried about you. Best of luck with everything.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

@@haroldchoate7497 I have no idea. Will ask.

[@KeithHolmes-sx7sy]

Why not bore the hole on the milling machine?

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Way slower and not as rigid on the mill. Lathe is far better suited for this work.

[@brandonwalker272]

nice

[@MrArtVendelay]

c'mon. You know he retrived that discarded chuck after the camera was turned off.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Nope. Still in the scrap. Gonna stay there too. Too much frustration caused by it.

[@eman99a]

At 00:51 , should that be a spotting drill or a center drill? Thanks again.

[@eman99a]

OK... since it is used for finding center..... My apologies.

[@brentbarnhart5827]

Why not bore that hole on the mill? I'm new to this, I have both now, I'm an engineer and have to play "machinist" at times. So I'm curious why that was easier to do on the lathe, rather than the mill?

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Mill is slow and cumbersome. Large is so much faster, more rigid, and far more accurate.

[@LuckyOH709]

Awesome job. With the asymmetrical shape in the lathe, your brother in law my be trying kill you. Watch your back!!!😂

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Lol, nope. He don't want his sister back. They gotta keep me alive as long as possible. 😂

[@riliwi]

Never toss chuck keys you just never know when you may need.

[@claygormish4884]

Josh, do you have a source for the clamp you used in the mill set-up, or did you make them?

[@TopperMachineLLC]

They were a gift. I'll explain in the follow-up

[@BrucePierson]

That was an interesting way of dialling in the job, using a dead center. Did the dead center already have a center in the back end, or did you drill it? I was wondering if you did drill it, how you did it with it being tapered.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

This center already had the center drilled.

[@ssboot5663]

Like!

[@mikep1085]

Btw, I noticed what appears to be an axle and some sort of wheel hubs on the floor.... is that an upcoming project?

[@TopperMachineLLC]

2 different future jobs. One will be next week if I can find time to do the editing, and the other will be later.

[@1976Datsun]

5:18 Where are the Jacobs chucks made?

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I only buy the older ones that are USA made.

[@thetaspen]

Why the hell would you eyeball the center and then indicate it in? That's like building a house without a foundation. I would have done this job on a mill with a boring head. If I didn't have a boring head and had to use a lathe I would have just eyeballed it with the tail stock

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Boring heads are slow and cumbersome compared to the lathe. Don't like what I do, don't watch.

[@automateeverything2341]

Does anyone know what the tapered clamps he used to hold the work piece down to the table are called?? Thanks.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Follow up video Wednesday

[@paulmoloney5569]

Is it a tapered shim for a motor?

[@TopperMachineLLC]

Not quite. Tune in Wednesday for the follow-up

[@markvoluckas4571]

What brand are those clamps I gotta get me some of them

[@TopperMachineLLC]

They were a gift, but I will followup Wednesday

[@markvoluckas4571]

Looking forward to more information, I have always been tempted by the mighty bite clamps but these appear to provide a much better hold

[@rustbeltmachine]

Hey Josh, do you know what those side clamps are called? They look pretty handy but I searched eBay and couldn’t find any. Thanks and great video!

[@TopperMachineLLC]

I don't. These were given to me. I need to find more. I'll try to get info for the follow-up video.

[@rustbeltmachine]

@@TopperMachineLLC awesome I’ll be tuning in as usual

[@aaronbaird3533]

Side clamps. Kipp and Carr-Lane are a couple manufacturers.

[@TopperMachineLLC]

@@aaronbaird3533 I saw a name on these, but forgot what it said. I'll cover that in the Wednesday follow-up