Why Our Painted Minis Look TERRIBLE

We've all been there. We've all painted a Warhammer and even though it was the best we could do, we're still not happy with the painting. Why?
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[@Knittywizard]

Things I learnt from this video 1. Don't be so harsh on myself in my hobby endeavours. 2. Try to expand my toolkit to help me grow. 3. Buy more Bog Roll Amazing video! Cheers Dave!

[@amharapneb1773]

And now we now who to blame for the next looroll shortage...

[@B4MBI72]

You can never have too much bog roll, my local pound shop sells huge rolls of 'blu-roll' for a couple of quid, not quite sure how that works should be the couple-of-quid-shop, plu sthe blu-roll is sometimes white. Cheaper than bog roll and a bit less flakey when it get wet.

[@garyjenson1326]

Dave makes the videos. I watch Dave videos. Dead simple.

[@markmcdowell2733]

I like Dave videos. Simple.

[@echorome6260]

Love Dave, 'ate me minis, simple as

[@Ragsta]

I’m learning to embrace the school of ‘good enough’ with painting. So I’m tidy and neat and try my best but after a point I stop tearing myself up about being White dwarf standard. Feeling better already! :)

[@MSPaints]

Aye, tidy end product is usually my end goal. Nowt special. Just tidy.

[@NewSquallor]

Why I love 52 miniatures. He tries new things, shared his toolbox. I can swipe his tools while he's not looking. :D Great video.

[@Gumlass1]

Yeah. He's a boss.

[@subcynic]

In the old days, you were just given the basic techniques; (base coats, wash, highlights.) And then a few tips, (light sources, metallics.) Then you got on with it for hours and hours, while everyone else watched Terry Wogan. Now there are millions of videos saying buy these exact materials and do this exact process. A balance between DIY and outside input is required.

[@metajock]

I love your rambles. Keep doing them, they always seem to make more sense than most people's vids. This is some fantastic advice. I spent 1-1/2 years studying top-of-the-line Golden Demon winners and got very little out of it, then started watching others with totally different perspectives and techniques and advanced massively. I expected too much too fast, without thinking what I **really** wanted as an end product. Painting became a downer for me until I realized I wasn't doing it for fun anymore. Changed my expectations, changed my internal toolbox (such a good term, dude!!!) and started enjoying it again. Good advice, dude. Thanks!!!

Last summer I spent some time with coloring books and alcohol markers. That changed the way I paint my minis. Now I out much more attention to the colour and shades I use and less to the diddly details.

[@halfcrafted]

This video is wonderful. With all the content consumption that we generally taka part in in the wargaming hobby community, these points you bring up in this video are increasingly important to remember. The most important thing is remembering to still treat it as a hobby, do it for the sheer enjoyment, for the fuck of it, learn a new thing, try a different way, see what YOU like. That's the only reason we should be doing it.

[@BBolloBB]

Loving the style of the video and cuts and way the next cuts audio bleeds into the previous cut, thing of beauty.

[@ThomAshworth]

Came here to say the same - flawless smooth editing and great choices with audio cuts offset from video.

[@TimotheeFleury]

Holy shit! The "getting rid of the ritual" part makes so much sense, i am mad at myself for not thinking about it sooner

[@LakeyWargames]

Great advice in here mate. I've been in and around the hobby for years and years and tried to do things by the book but it only got me so far. I made it a little goal to myself this year to just not be worried about "ruining" models and have a go at experimenting. I've learned more and improved so much within the first 5 months of this year than I have in all my painting past combined by doing so than I have trying to copy something by someone else. I'm not saying to not listen or watch tutorials but just take on board what they're saying, why they might do what they do from here and there. Then sit down and make your own style of said thing by trying, failing, learning from it and going again. Keep up the great work and hope your Japan trip goes well! :)

[@ashbickley]

Was half expecting you to say "welcome back" in Prof Oaks voice and then go on a photo tour around an island :)

[@sculptdude]

"Sound-goodizer" !!! Brilliant! 😆

[@HacksawsHobbyBunker]

A ritual I cant seem to break is - I always paint the faces first, so I have someone to talk to. But you provide cracking advice all around. Cheers!

[@emilrosander2340]

This might be the most insightful video about painting I’ve come across. I gradually realized these things about 3 years ago and my painting exploded, both in quality and enjoyment of the process.

[@MSPaints]

Thank you mate!

[@mirage20059]

Best video. I wish this had been a video I first watched when I started miniatures. Game changers for me were(touched upon in the video): 1. a good chair 2. Paint, I enjoy to use and just works for me. 3. Lights! Just adding a second desk lamp and changing the bulbs to daylight LEDs was huge. 4. Paint shaker/test tube mixer. 5. lastly learning it is an art and not a science. Given that it was a road of trial and error.

[@mattnottm8363]

These kind of "Dude, you are good enough!!!" videos are much needed. I'd love to paint to the level of some of the guys and gals on here, but ive realised that im more than happy with the level im at right now. Obviously I'm not against improving, but as a really slow painter with limited time to spare, I think my time is better spent finishing 5 minis to an acceptable level over finishing 1 mini just 10% better. Its not like im going to be enter Golden Demon any time soon ....

[@winstonsmith8316]

Great advice, Dave. Thank you. I often have to slow down and realize that the way I see someone get an effect painting, might not be the way I am able to, given my neurological difficulties.

[@bio-boosted]

Keep pushing yourself to learn skills to expand your toolkit is spot on. Nice to see John Chumpchange again!

[@W1LYKAT]

The toolkit comment is soo right, i decided to cook from fresh a lot more and the knife skills have improved my brush sensitivity

[@RUSirius]

This video speaks to my soul! It should be required watching for anybody whether new to the hobby or a veteran. I just need to do it my way.

[@user-ve8dq1qe3c]

Thanks for making me feel like I'm having a chat and a pint or cup of coffee with my friend. Made my day, and I am sure others feel the same.

[@walksinthedarkness]

Great video (as always!) It's good to remind yourself every now and then that just because everyone else uses a skill doesn't mean you have to and you might find a way to do that skill better in your own way. Also, it's okay to ignore the nobs who say, "Thin your paints!" without explaining what thinning your paints involves...

[@hobbycathartic]

This really hit home for me. I've been in the hobby since the 90's and things have changed so much and I feel like I've always struggled to keep up with the progressing and changing skillset. I've always been my own worse critic.

[@the_arcanum]

Ah, great topic Dave. Thank you for bringing this up. It really does help sometimes to take a bit of distance on your practice and reflect on the different paths or solutions others have thought of to progress in their creative journey, whether it's fine arts or hobbies and crafts. I came back to the hobby about a year ago after decades of neglect. I had a big roadblock to circumvent. I couldn't bring myself to start painting minis because of the pressure I was putting on myself. What if I ruin it ? Will I be able to stand a mediocre result and risk to abandon it again for years because I cannot reconcile my expectations with my current skills ? So I chose a different path to build my confidence until I feel ready to tackle painting minis. I decided on kitbashing and modding every single part of my army, none using GW standard poses, always looking a bit different. And to start painting I went BIG, building big decors and honing techniques on these terrain bits that are always presented as an after thought or a necessary tedium to be able to play. First, the result seems much more atteignable, terrain bits are rarely shown painted to a Golden Demon level. So less pressure to compare your attempts to the most renowned model makers. Second, painting on a big scale helps me a lot : brush control is not as critical and you can concentrate on hues, baked-in lighting and contrast, using many (cheap) materials to just try things. And it's working !

[@imienazvvisko]

Sometimes its not terrible looking mini that looks terrible, but emotions looking at it brings. Same other way. I have few decent, at least for my skills, minis that look horrible for me, and i know its because it reminds me bad times. On the other hand - i have for example gutrippa that i tested drybrushing every color on to check how fast i can finish it. I love this one and i will never say its terrible. This gutrippa on the other hand remind me painting session with my 7 year old son where he did impressive savage orc standard bearer and we had great time together.

[@CamelRage279]

"Hey Alexa - add bogroll to the shopping list" Cheers Dave!

[@MSPaints]

Any time bay bay

[@volkarve]

I feel that I've gotten worse as a painter as the years have gone by looking at my older work, I'm currently trying to reteach myself the techniques from those days great vdeo as always

[@snoopyxcore]

Great video. My personal tip: Learn from others (obviously), BUT, and this is where many people fail on/struggle with, is finding what works for oneself based on everything. Everyone is different, from their way of thinking, observing, to physically interacting with the world. Find what works for YOU, and to keep at it.

[@ian8477]

Sometimes you just have to keep painting, even if it isn't working for you, because until the painting is complete you can't see the full picture of how every stage of painting interacts with each other, and why one stage actually may or may not be working.

[@patricknestor342]

Wise words.. been thinking "this should be better" but it's a journey not a destination... Nice one !

[@Mikey__R]

I'm definitely a tea person. And since I've just bought my third valve compressor, I am feeling a little called out. Cheers Dee Dawg, you, Hector and Tony are why I click, but I always learn something.

[@euansmith3699]

Hyperbole is the absolute worst! 🤬😄 Thanks for another great video, Dave; you put so much thought and effort in to these, and I really appreciate it. That's a nice, robust looking Sigil of Gate on Dave's right arm.

[@MSPaints]

A lot of people mentioning that tattoo for the first time today haha! Maybe I’ve just had it hidden all this time!

[@euansmith3699]

@@MSPaints Maybe it is just that the Stars are Right!

[@arkham67]

This is one of the best and honest hobby vids I’ve ever watched.

[@Martyr217]

13:15 I laughed so hard at this part. I know the feeling of having to change stuff, when my MS popped up my first warning sign was sticking the head in the concrete floor trying to tie my damn shoe laces. I miss sports sometimes. :(

[@RobespierreHadItComing]

Lovely vid. Rituals provide a great deal of usefulness and short hand for how we go through processes. But absolutely need periodic reflection to make sure they still match our needs.

[@Wildonion1]

You may just be one perspective, but you are a very welcome one! Some great advice for getting unstuck from all kinds of ruts.

[@adampriestley7732]

What a brilliant video. I love this channel having stumbled on it recently. I have now bought bog roll. I will no longer scrape with a broken roof tile. Thanks.

[@MSPaints]

Such a horrendous image! thank you!

[@adampriestley7732]

@@MSPaints sorry. Your channel is brilliant.

[@carlstanford7607]

What a great video. Next video can be ‘what’s the best paintbrush’. Ha ha. Nice work mate

[@JackHeath1993]

Like how you mentioned the couldn't learn edge highlight online. I was the same no matter how many videos and tutorials. I couldn't get my head around layered painting and even now I still can't do it 😅 layered painting is my kryptonite haha

[@vitaliyred622]

1-3 paint layers from airbrush, couple details, gloss varnishing and oil wash over everything. Painting HH just teaches you how to paint much faster and more effectively.

[@WilhelmScreamer]

I battle this by focussing on asking "why do I hate what I am looking at?" and chaining that into "What actionable steps canI take to resolve that?" Creating plans means I alwaus keep a sense of progress

[@SomeDudeOnYouTube]

Love the long stare into the far away lands of inspiration... "swallow a tree" Nice! 8)

[@jackhammond9034]

Great video as per usual, your perspective is very much appreciated. Have a great time in Japan, your perspective will be even more enriched than it already is. Good luck and keep up the good work. 👍🏻 and utter respect 🫡

[@stephenrenwick8781]

Awesome video, all true...especially the bit about not eating whole trees and buy more bog rol. 😊

[@wherehorse]

Thank you the thoughts! They are really usefull for me and i think not just for me, i will use the tollbox analogy with referring to you. One of my jobs is teaching in a carpenter school and here unfortunatly the kids who goes to the professionals midschool mostly who were not needed elsewhere and sometimes really hard the explain to them why is good for them to learn something.

[@matthewrumpke1125]

Absolutely love your perspective. Thanks for the vid!

[@sp4nnered]

Fantastic content in this video, but just wanna highlight that the leading audio while you let your reactions play out is spot on!

[@tethys17]

Great to hear you're coming to Japan! Let me know if you need any help while you're here. Would be great just to meet up for a chat

[@EwanBlackmane]

Great Video. I totally agree with you about demystifying the ritual. You can watch all the tutorial videos there are and not be happy with the outcome. Just sitting and trying out something that came to you during doing something else can be liberating for your hobby.

[@themalaphage673]

This is the first video of yours I've seen and I really enjoyed. You're super relaxing to listen to and I loved all your points and silly jokes. Subscribed

[@brandonmcdaniel4216]

Edge highlighting sucks ass in general, but I agree I've gone from trying to use like a size 0/3 brush to a size 6 with a nice fine tip as my workhorse.

[@JEANPIXBN]

Loving the old school Nintendo Eshop music!!!❤❤❤ awesome video and content as usual, stay safe brother!🎉

[@martynjones3978]

I think your pretty much spot on, you have to find your own technique and way of doing things!! Everyone is different and what works for me wont work for bill or bob!! I will start trying some different paints tho at some point as i heard Duncans Two thin coats are really good!!

[@JAFKARNAT]

Brilliant video, many thanks. I have recently returned to model making after many decades of absence. I started where I left off, 1:700 scale model ships. I am now into wooden ship kits. Do I think wood is better than plastic, certainly not, would I go back to plastic, yes possibly. Change has made my hobby better, for me, and that's the important thing. Many thanks for your words of simple wisdom.

[@sulmenite6938]

Brilliant video! Your ability to articulate ideas and abstract concepts and present it all in a warm and calm way makes you a great teacher.

[@jaydee4737]

Almost every video that you make has a tid bit of nostalgia that brings me back to my childhood... my roots... Pokemon fuggin SNPA soundtrack hit me in the feels man! XD Well done!!! And such wonderful wisdom as well! Made me realise I had my own honeymoon phase with 3D printing and that maybe I should try to get back into it :P

[@diabeticmonkey]

I've always found that pushing through that disenchantment phase immediately puts you in the headspace of actually practicing and learning even better than before. Been there a few times with guitar. Also, read the Necronomicon or listen to Morbid Angel much, MS?

[@irishwristwatch2487]

Jesus christ this entire video read me for filth lmao. Can I please hire you to be my inner monologue? The one Ive got now sucks 😂 for real though, some real abosolute nuggets of info in here, and no pointless bs. Such an instant sub

[@MSPaints]

You don’t want my internal monologue. He’s horrendous hahaha

[@irishwristwatch2487]

@@MSPaints cant be any worse than mine! The whole vid was very on point though. Im a CPTSD suffer and my hands shake like a pisshead on a detox so its nice to have someone outright say to me that the technique Im using is right, I just need to adapt that technique around the challenge to get the results I need. The old "show your workings out" if you will!

[@Pariahwulfen]

I haven't picked up a brush in over a decade because of a combination of time, space and money, the variables have changed recently such that I will soon be picking it up again, but that's beside my point. The thing is, I'm arthritic, and certain things I just can't do for long periods of time. For instance, I didn't really like to paint tanks or large models in general, because of the amount of time it took me with a brush, and holding an old school airbrush was quite painful, quite quickly. Now, things have changed such that we have contrast paints, so I don't have to over thin multiple layers of acrylic to get a decent look with grey / white drybrushing on a black primed model, I hear the kids these days call this "slapchop". I'm more concerned that since a lot of the paint companies I used to use have disappeared, Armory flesh kit for one, which is going to lead to a big step back beyond simple skill atrophy. Still, this is something that people need to hear at various points in this hobby.

[@jeffreybeaty9485]

Thank you for sharing your perspective.

[@Bobyoudontneeemyname]

Speaking of kellog..take a look at road to wellville lol

[@aroncheek5092]

Everyone is unique in their own way , following others can via you off the path that is right for you. I usually pick the things out of teachings that are new to me

[@robot7759]

Thanks Dave.

[@grimmriffer]

Got a great tip for edge highlighting. Fnck edge highlighting.

[@jamescurtis2112]

Great viewing. 👍 for me doing the hobby little & often helps, rather than saving it all up for a marathon 6hr painting session Keep taking little steps. More dopamine hits & progress is easier to see.

[@cerisekappes580]

Thank you 😊

[@lazyminipainting]

Sound advice as always. I knew there was a reason I liked you. Great work mate

[@landotucker]

I'm weirdly obssessive compulsive about painting (or perfectionist, I don't know). Its held me bad from techniques like zenithal highlighting because inevitably theres a little hair or bit of grit in the paint somewhere that I've just got to get out and cant fix the blend to make it look perfect, then its all I can look at. I'd rather get the paint on neat and solid than use techniques I can't control as easily. I know it's weird and I'm not really pushing myself but I've had to come to terms with it.

[@johnbruce4004]

Excellent thought provoking video. My painting style is somewhat against current received wisdom. I think this gives me backbone to continue and experiment. Cheers.

[@jamesn2830]

The original Pokémon snap soundtrack in this video hit me right in my nostalgia

[@hazemangames]

I think every painted mini looks great as long as someone feels it's finished. It's another page in our legacies!

[@B4MBI72]

Something I have found is I think my finished mini's are a bit crap, but when you show a photo of it to a fellow painter nerd friend they think its awesome. They show you a pic of their latest mini and you are blown away by it, but they think its shit. I think we are always our own harshest critic, maybe its because we spend hours staring at the same model and know where all the little fek-ups are. Decent lighting helped me no end, I have crap aging eyesight and 2 cheap(ish) IKEA angle poise lights made SO much difference to my painting, also using a bigger brush with a nice tip made a huge difference, 95% of my painting is done with a size 2 or 3 brush these days, I tend to only use anything smaller if I am bothering to try to mess up painting eyes.

[@Bigelsiet]

Great stuff thanks dude, I can’t stand the tutorials that are titled “you’re doing this wrong!”

[@mikee9464]

Don't take Dave to Louisianna...he'll come home without legs.

[@RuthlessMojo]

Hey Dave. I think the word you were looking for was transferable. Another great video.

[@MSPaints]

I’m keeping INTERSKILLUABLE

[@RuthlessMojo]

@@MSPaints Hey Dave. Just wanted to let you know how much I enjoy your channel. I also suffer from a degenerative illness which has left me with a collapsed lumbar spine, spinal stenosis, nerve damage and chronic pain. Some days my hands shake so bad I can't grab anything. I have frequent spasm attacks on the left side of my body which are worse at night. And I've lost feeling in my hands and feet. I love the miniature hobby but find it really hard to paint. I've had to learn how to use masking fluid and airbrushing. I'm starting my own channel very soon. Thanks for the inspiration. You're a legend.

[@MSPaints]

@@RuthlessMojo true hobby hero, Mojo. Send me an insta when you’re up and running and I’ll make sure to give you a shoutout.

[@jonnze8949]

Thanks for this. I feel keeping the expansion of the technical toolbox under control is one of the most important things in the hobby. I ordered the full Warcolour One Coat and Layer Paint sets with 100+ bottles because it sounded like such a cool system and such a cool medium. And it MIGHT be. Really. It is probably a me problem, not a problem of the paints. But for me they are utter shit and I hate that I bought them. The One Coat line is amazing. It does what it says. Cover in one coat. The others and the gel medium makes me want to chew my hands off. They have the coverage of water and dont paint at all. I'm only able to move them around on the surface like a blob of glycerol leaving a snaketrail of a hint of color on the model. Sure, I tried to mix them with water and traditional acrylic medium or thinner but...that just makes them even less covering and more weird. Sorry for the rant. Stay away unless you are really willing to learn to control something alien in comparison to Vallejo, Citadel or Scale75. Oh, and let them dry for much longer after each layer. If not, you will strip it right off the primer or next layer underneath. That was the most horrible thing. I still refuse to believe that the brand is bad though. I mean Vince is using them, right?

[@lukemcdonladson6648]

So True .. Try Stuff ...Take short cuts .. It's about what ever works for you ... Im Lazy and Love Short Cuts, It's amazing how much you don't have to do to paint stuff .. ✌️💚

[@user-br7nx9zo2v]

Great perspective thanks.

[@richardbradley2335]

1.05...ive had a life changing shift..usually after a curry...(roll on snare drum)

[@Fox01313]

I know from The Independent Characters podcast, most minis you paint (usually around the base layer) hits an ugly paint job phase. Just keep going with the highlights/shades & it will start looking great. Another great tip is getting better lights for the painting area. You should try to improve on your painted minis, learn techniques from everyone in the hobby but don't feel down when you compare your stuff to someone painting for decades in the hobby.

[@JeffBarberDigideus]

"talking about learning how to do drum bus and throwing other peoples tutorials out the window" - Yes, been there, done that! got my own way of doing it. I have never thought of using SoundGoodizer on it tho! im gonna try that!

[@ShallowVA]

It's reassuring to know that my models will never be as bad as famine!

[@MSPaints]

When you say it like that, a motto to live by. ‘At least my day wasn’t as bad as famine.

[@Omniescent]

A big thing that helped me in my journey: finding a brush that really clicks with me The BIGGEST thing that helped me: Stop comparing myself to all of the talented painters. I just learned to enjoy the craft and try new things.

[@Nigelius]

You can’t teach muscle memory with a video, a video is likely only going to get you 50% of the way there with any technique. Most of my learning has come from making mistakes and adjusting.

[@walksinthedarkness]

Phrased so much better than I could think of. Also, a lot of people on the videos have been doing the thing, over and over and over again (making plenty of mistakes on the way) and are only showing their best example or attempt at a thing. Social media is great if you only want to show the great sides of your abilities.

[@darsis]

Thank you. I needed this.

[@myzri3557]

PREACH!!

[@neon_necromunda]

Hope your all good this video makes me want to have a brew with you and ask you if your alright.

[@MSPaints]

Aaaaaye lad, all good cheers Tom. I just come Across as doomed when I’m knackered haja

[@neon_necromunda]

@@MSPaints i live with disabling chronic pain and fatigue from failed surgeries mate I know hiw hard life can be so i get it and if you ever need a chat with someone who gets shit im here in nottingham dude and ive got beer, paint spare minis and a good smoke. Big hugs dude and give the safety frog a hug from me.

[@nopenope3135]

I’ve been painting black templars and slowed down. It’s not the hobby it’s that the color scheme is too bland. As a starter army it was good when it came to learning, now I’m looking for something to step up to

[@zippy5131]

Wow been modeling (not in the flesh but small scale white metal stuff) for forty years or so now, and I find that you get your own feel for doing something, in your own way. If it works stick with it same goes for paint, brushes ect... Tutorials on T'internet are good for ideas and then find your own way of doing it. The amount of figures I have stripped and started again. The big problem I think is people today want it now, are not prepared to put the time in or the effort to produce something. Hell I've been planning a model railway for over ten years.... Works out I don't have the room but hey ho. Back to 6mm stuff, I have the room for that and some 15mm. End of day don't be blinded by what you see and hear, do your own thing your own way and if that doesn't work just change it a little until it does. But most of all ENJOY YOUR HOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your way.

[@romeo.3472]

Great video. The way this was edited reminded me of the scene in the Matrix Reloaded when all the Agent Smiths appear for the first time continuing the conversation. Extra points for using the word Wanky. +1

[@MSPaints]

Think I used wanky twice!

[@romeo.3472]

@MS_Paints the more you say it the more it's starting to sound like a puppet Sesame Street rejected. Probably left for Phillip Schofield in Rolf Harris' will.

[@timothyyoung2962]

"User tempered expectation of reality" is something I find some gamers lack. Like before Cyberpunk 2077 officially came out there were gamers who assumed you could enter any building, go through every room just like IRL. Meanwhile, I'm over here thinking "Dude, it's a shooter RPG. Most of the buildings are for pretty. Like in every other RPG, or any game for that matter." I think one of the best tabletop mini games to get into is Space Weirdos. It's simple, easy to learn, and requires hardly anything to get into. Hell, you could skip actual minis and just use toys. But really you can do that with any game I guess ( Sisters of Battle. Nope. Golden Girls funkos). Still though, great game, dirt cheap at $5, small model count, good stuff.

[@MSPaints]

Great example with cyberpunk!

[@House-Atreides]

My shit-filter has filtered out 40k. Cheers to OPR!

[@ZweenNewFarmer]

This should have had a Skillshare sponsor 😅 nice video ❤

[@johnbeaudoin7820]

A nice video with some good Hector fan-service.

[@frappy7]

love planned out stuff you've done but also loving this less-structured waffle video, shades of Steve Shives phoning it in with his comment response videos " not actually, trek actually ". Just doing you is one of those freeing things, NOT easy, takes bravery and an amount of self assuredness that's not really possible to fake. Anyway off to Morrisons to fetch in some extra backend cleaning material.

[@Moopheus]

I could listen to you all day :)

[@dingomoore9412]

Thank you again for another great video!

[@elguntor]

Your videos are great and inspirational. Keep up the good work!

[@TheJCNEILL]

Is that the flippin Pokémon snap music!?!