Don’t Buy a New Camera Until You Watch This

[@scotey]

"If you can't film a beautiful documentary with an FS7 or an FS5, you're not going to be able to do it with an FX6 or an Alexa LF." Well said, Luc. You have a gift for being candid without being insulting.

[@SuLu_XD]

I think the key is ease of use! I used some absolutely horrid cameras for projects in college, but I managed to get really great images out of them by working around the shortcomings. These older cameras can still shoot with incredible quality, but the number of things you'll need to consider or potentially work around is of course going to be higher vs a newer, more technically advanced system.

[@sammorganmoore]

As an fs7 owner.. id say yes it is OK, but it was always waiting in the wings for a smaller af version that is the fx6. My opinon is the fs7 is quite a barrier to shooting fliud doc work vs the fx6. But of course for certainl looks.. like hunting manual focus it is fine

[@WestonChilders]

Well stated, just finished shooting a 3rd feature this year on the FS7

[@LucForsyth]

Thanks my friend, much appreciated!

[@LucForsyth]

yep! not saying it's better, it's definitely not...but more accessible for a lot of people and still looks great.

[@psynuxx]

Please don’t stop making videos outside or on-location like this. The fact you aren’t using LED lights and acoustic panels like every other KZbinr is what makes you more credible, aside from the fact you are a full time DP. I am just beginning with my hobby as a cinematographer with my LUMIX S5iix, and I’m just glad I found your channel before I went to crazy with ‘gear’ on the advice of other KZbinrs! Stay warm out there in the Arctic!

[@mikafoxx2717]

I'm sorry, but sound is more or as important as the picture, and good lighting is the trick to good results. Even for landscape stuff, lighting ends up being the weather and time of day chosen

[@psynuxx]

@@mikafoxx2717 I never said sound wasn't important, what are you talking about? In fact I'm a mastering engineer by trade. I was responding to his lack of 'KZbinr' setup.

[@LucForsyth]

thanks, much appreciated! 🥶

[@SbolenseMedia]

I am 100% behind this. I have never bought a new camera. DOPs take such good care of their equipment that buying second hand is a no brainer. Thank you for this

[@lachlanharmer985]

100% agree. I picked up a FS7 mk1 from a DP who upgraded to the FX6. It was pretty much a entire kit with minus the v-lock batteries, lenses and audio gear. All of which I already owned. I've been using the FS7 filming interviews, conferences, sports and weddings. The last 3 videos on my channel are all shot with the FS7. It's fun using a purpose built video camera that I don't have to baby around like its brand new. One thing, the ND filters are a little funky when they click over, nothing I'm worried about though.

[@LucForsyth]

This is the way!

[@elgrau]

Congrats on your FS7, it is still produces a stunning image.

[@davidwebb091370]

i'm glad i found your channel, Luc! It's a gem for aspiring filmmakers and just about anybody that's a fan of filmmaking in general. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge on KZbin! More power to you!

[@custommadename]

I bought an FS700 used, upgraded it so I can shoot 12-bit 4K raw, bought an F55 used a year later, and about two years later bought a brand new FX30. The FX30 was rented out before I had gotten it in the mail. People are excited about new cameras, but unless you're renting, you can get as good or better image quality from used cameras, as you've said. I just directed a feature-length documentary in Mexico, and we shot it with two FX30s as the B cams and an FS7 II as the A cam. We shot with a kit lens, a Zeiss photo lens, and a set of Fujinon MK lenses. It was an awesome time shooting with 3 cameras regardless of what they were. Also, a week or two ago, I bought a used F3.

[@LucForsyth]

Well said!

[@retrohorrorthrills]

My biggest thrill this year was picking up an original Canon c300. It was so far out of my price range at 16K when it first came out 11 years ago. I spent $750 and another $500 for the dual pixel upgrade. Love it. Still a great camera. No one will ever know. Great video. Thanks!

[@LucForsyth]

No one will every know! Truth.

[@matadormartin]

If Matt Heineman can shoot Cartel Land on one with two totally affordable lenses, you can go out and shoot something amazing too! 👍

[@QWSfilms]

I purchased an FS7 kit on ebay with everything except a V mount battery and a lens, everything else including a VTC plate, rods, Vmount adapter and all by tilta was included. Most of all it came all in a Jason Case. Ive only had it for a week and I love it and the image is fantastic. Kep up the good work Luc.

[@soonerfitz]

Had mine since 2016 and still going strong

[@Renaldo868]

here is my take, if you have a big grew and a large budget then you don't need the latest camera gear, just experienced lighting and good lenses. if it's just you and your lonesome tryna get things done, buy a FX3 so you can let the camera do the heavy lifting so you can focus more on the story and the image.

[@felipecordero3]

Thanks Luc, about to shoot a doc in the following days, with a Gh5 M2 and a Canon C70 in Ecuador in the Andean mountains, for us, these camaras are more than enough. Your advice is crucial and always helpful. Thanks again sir 👍👍👍

[@joenicklo]

I didn’t even think about it - but my last 3 cameras have been used or “open box”. Wise advice in this video! Batteries are the only thing I won’t buy used.

[@cheezus9625]

Buying a cheap used FS7 last year was my best gear investment to date. If you work in TV, there are only so many cameras that producers are comfortable shooting on and the FS7 is still the most common (FX line quickly catching up). I paid it off in no time with kit fees

[@chrisjonesfilm]

As filmmakers, it's very easy for us to fall prey to the hype beast of modern camera companies' marketing techniques. *Especially* young filmmakers, who really believe that the newest, latest, and greatest will put them ahead of the pack. To quote a cinematography legend: "I'd shoot it on an iPhone if it suited the story." To young filmmakers, I'd recommend renting and testing lots of used cameras, and figuring out what you like- not what Sony or Canon tell you you should like. Great video Luc, thanks for creating for us.

[@LucForsyth]

You're very welcome my friend!

[@HumanAreYou]

Yes. Most older cameras do most things alright. If what one has doesn't work in one very specific problem (something small, something with a high ISO) - it's always possible to rent for a short time.

[@williamsmiga7547]

Wow! Easiest subscription I’ve ever made. This is awesome, man!

[@samtelford1792]

Hey man, I recently sold my blackmagic 12k as I saw the price of the fs7’s, your video has just validated my decision to pick one up as the replacement, these cameras are work horses & there is a lot more important things that go into producing a great image than the camera body itself, great video 👏🏼

[@Maros_Mari]

Hey Luc, thanks for the valid points on buying new gear. I agree, it makes sense to get used gear which can serve well. I personally invested almost 10 years ago into Fuji system for photography and then slowly transitioned towards video work. This year I decided to take filmmaking work seriously, so I sold it all, as I am making a leap of faith into Sony system planning to get an fx3 - found best price in Thailand /new minus tax, for price of used one elsewhere - buying in Asia makes alot of sense/ so Im going to invest into the filmmaking part of my creative journey soon.

[@Supercon57]

I make a spread sheet with all of the cameras I'm considering with all of the features they have When you see them all laid out with a price tag you see how going one/two generations back is a no brainer It's crazy how certain gear is seen as "old" when it's VERY capable, especially in the right hands

[@LukeDewar]

Would you be able to share this spreadsheet please?

[@CringePanda]

Idk, my dad gave me a used Sony F55 and I think the image is amazing, BUT, the fact remains that recording media for these old cams is expensive. Like, SxS cards, AXSM cards, XQD cards etc. The card readers alone for the AXSM and SxS cost more than then used camera! And the lens mount requires the purchase of an adapter. But once you have all that, I guess it's okay to stop spending money on gear. I would have preferred a used C300 II.

[@JoeVazquezProductorMusical]

Hi buddy, I recently sold my FS7 to buy an FX6 for the reason that the FS7 is quite heavy "12 pounds" and I have to watch my back when I use a gimbal for some music videos and I also wanted the FX6 to have the RAW option without having to buy the FS7 adapter. But I'll be honest, I miss the FS7 for being a great and robust camera. Obviously I'm 10 pounds lighter now with the fx6 in action, full frame, 4k DCI 120 fps is a great tools for my workflorw, but at the end of the day the FS7 is a winner camera. Everything you said is very true. Greetings.

[@godsfilmmaker8863]

This is one of the best videos on the subject I’ve seen, I almost didn’t click on it because I thought it was going to be one of those “gear doesn’t matter videos“. And it’s actually really balanced, and I appreciate the advice!

[@LucForsyth]

Thanks! Gear definitely matters (at least to me)...glad you liked this one!

[@nathananderson8720]

This is one of the channels that gave me the courage to start my KZbin channel 8 months ago about self development. Now I have 1,093 subs and > 900 hours of watch time. I know it’s not comparable with others but I’m still proud I started because I’ve been learning so many lessons that I could haven’t learned without getting started in the 1st place.

[@esterhammerfic]

Hell yeah dude, it's a long game building up an audience

[@nathananderson8720]

@@esterhammerfic Whoever you are, I don't know you personally but I can say that you're one of the non-judgmental and open-minded people who is not fixated on tangible or external factors in order to learn from someone like me. Just because someone doesn't have a piece of paper as a credential, doesn't mean that person is not entitled to share personal experiences with the hope & intention to inspire others. Keep up with whatever it is that you're doing to improve mankind or improving your life even to a slight degree each day. This is just one part of a bigger puzzle for creating my KZbin channel about holistic health. I literally could have died back when I was 14 years old due to major depression but here I am right now replying to you, a KZbinr, who's full of fulfillment and dedication to help others to be a better version of themselves. I ain't better than anyone else but my old self. That's all that really makes this KZbin thing more meaningful and enjoyable. Thanks so much for your support! I am hoping that you can join me with this endless personal development journey! :)

[@cheavideography781]

THis is my setup: Sony FS5 + Metabones EF-E T CINE Ultra 0.71x + Shogun Inferno= The image that I get is amazing, plus I have the Slomo 120 and 240 without cropping. I just bought the FX30 for gimbal work but other than that I just love my FS5!

[@StreetsOfVancouverChannel]

I'm someone who is primarily shooting stills/photos... and after buying roughly ten Sony mirrorless cameras over the past ten years I'm now using two ten-year old cameras (Sony A6000 & Sony A77II). They both have Eye-AF and Face-Detect and produce 24mp images (which is plenty for me). I'm also using a ten-year old Zeiss Touit 32mm f1.8 on the A6000 & variety of Minolta and Sony glass on the A77II. I've not had one person look at my photos and comment that I'm using 'old tech'. The guidelines and contexts that you frame in this video are succinctly brilliant and very practical. Thanks for putting in the time to make this video and share it with fellow creatives!

[@Ironcladstudio]

Thank you for your advice. I am looking at getting my first rig. I settled on a Sony NEX FS100, since I am primarily looking to produce for KZbin and other social media platforms. I know the world is 4K or better, but hearing that even high production work is done on equipment like that is encouraging. Thank you!

[@LMActionsports]

I picked up a Sony A9 in fair condition from KEH over three years ago for $2100 that didn’t come with the box or manual or anything. When it showed up it looked brand new and it only had 2100 on the shutter count. It’s been my action sports camera that still works perfectly to this day. I’ve been eyeballing a Sony FS5 mark two on Facebook marketplace for $1300 that comes with 18-105 lens and two batteries. But I decided since I am just getting into videography to build either my Sony A7rv or A7iv into a running gun video rig. I bought all the accessories and built up my A7iv and turned it into my dedicated video rig and I still use my A7rv for my portraits and family photos I take. I figured instead of buying a dedicated video camera just built one up and work with what I got. My main business is portraits but I want to and start offering videography to my clients. great video by the way I just found your channel and I am a couple in of your work and I really enjoy your content.

[@rosetofilms]

This is THE BEST camera buying advice I’ve seen on KZbin.

[@LucForsyth]

thanks friend!

[@yvessimard2244]

I have been in this business for 35 years - You nailed it. I have owned over 25 cams in my career only a handful of them have been new.

[@seanp2k617]

Once I figured out that better grading can do most of what I was noticing with higher-end cameras, I became a lot less interested in camera and lens stuff and a lot more into location and lighting.

[@RotarySMP]

Great video. This works at every level. I used used Panasonic g80's bought for €300 a peice for the first years on my channel, and recently got a mint GH5S for €650. Used is the way to go.

[@Sad_Matt-mj8tb]

I’m out here trying to make a documentary with a lumix gx85, so I needed this video.

[@LucForsyth]

more than good enough!

[@lightcirclemedia8228]

You just convinced me to get imax camera, after that there won't be any complaints. Went to imax web, there is no purchase option. Nice video. I m going to stick with what I have.

[@ForGrimTilTV]

I have an fx9, fx6 and fs7... The fx9 and fx6 was bought new when they came out. And the fs7 was bought used for 1150,- 4 years ago with only 167 hours on it now my fs7 has 1200 hours. It's probably the best investment I've ever made in my ten years as a DP. The 6 and 9 has even more! bonusinfo: I do a lot of multicam filmmaking

[@FishVisions]

Luc is officially my favorite KZbin channel. Cant wait to watch this vid!

[@LucForsyth]

And this is officially my favourite comment!

[@WhenWillILearn]

I'm currently working on a short film and a documentary. I'm using the FS7 mark 1 which I got used for about £1000, its been great for work and yeah it might be fun to use a Komodo on the short film or an fx9 for the documentary but then there would be less money for building the set for the film and less money for travel and graphics/animation on the doc. The set will make way more difference than a Komodo and the travel and the animation will make far more difference than the FX9.

[@esterhammerfic]

Exactly, 100%

[@Sutterjack]

I shoot almost daily with the Sony FS7 M1 and it's just such a great camera on so many levels - bullet proof, great feature set, reliable and solid image quality even in 2023. I honestly don't think it's a great ENG or handheld camera, but obviously it serves you well in this capacity. Yes, equipment does matter to a degree - I love my Canon C100 M2 but it's codec and lack of 4k have really limited what I can do with it. Still at the end of the day, content is king!!

[@softshape]

The big difference between old hi-end cameras and new is their size and weight. I bought Sony FX3 mainly because in its tiny size it can deliver the same quality that before would be achieved only with bulky pro level gear. If I'd be truck driver :) I'd also looked to second hand pro cameras, but it's not reaaly fun to carry all this stuff by yourself.

[@matadormartin]

Great advice. It's a terrible symptom of vacuuming up too much KZbin content that makes people feel like the gear they have is inadequate or they can't go out and shoot something until they buy [insert gadget here]. I like the fact that you are prioritising the actual content: what is in front of the lens, not what is behind it. I get caught up in gear nonsense too often, but I know some other doc filmmakers who couldn't care less about gear. One I am thinking of has been nominated for a lot of awards this year for his debut feature doc which had a global theatrical release, but I had to explain to him only recently (and long after he finished that film) what an ND filter was. The tech is the last thing on his mind which is very refreshing.

[@LucForsyth]

Well said! I don't think image quality has been a problem for almost 10 years now...so many options! Story is king.

[@matadormartin]

@@LucForsyth I should probably watch this video every day to stop me thinking I need something new 😅

[@ReelFilm2016]

Great video. I love making content. If the truth be told, I have no idea about many technical aspects of filmmaking. I never learnt the real craft that many professionals have. However, I do believe that you can make an excellent documentary using cameras for under £1000. It’s all about having a clear idea, planning and a willingness to learn about how technology can be your friend. I have learnt so much in the last few years. Keep up the great work and thanks for helping everyone to spend wisely.

[@LucForsyth]

Well said my friend!

[@FacesOfLA]

I was credited on the show Traffiked and Fred was using a Blackmagic URSA with a Zeiss CP3 lens. Also a A7Siii with a Zeiss CP3 lenses adapted. This is for the new seasons

[@kerouacf0069]

Thank you for your solid advice, I'm applying your advice for my stills equipment, and the wee bit of film that I do. All singing all dancing equipment don't mean squat if you have not got the skill set. I love your channel, for inspiration.

[@LucForsyth]

Thanks man, appreciate it!

[@elcamino6699]

I recently bought a Panasonic EVA1 off MPB for around 1800€. Great deal IMO. I also got most of my lenses and accessories there.

[@Ed_Scott]

I’ve been looking at a lot of Eva 1 content and footage. How are you liking it so far???

[@dharr069]

Almost all of my big ticket items were used, such as my two Canon C300 mark ii and cine lenses. Luc is absolutely correct in stating that one can purchase a higher grade used camera for the same price as a lower grade new camera.

[@LucForsyth]

my man!

[@markthompsonmedia]

I began with an existing investment in canon stills and got a C100 mk ii to explore video. That led me to an ENG style rig and the dream lens for that was the CN17x7! Years later, the price was right and by then the C300 mk ii was super affordable too. My dream rig for less than half of new prices 😃

[@igorvuk4454]

thank you. I'm using Sony A6400 (actually I have four of them) and I primary do conferences and podcasts. They are small, reliable, cheap, have excellent 4K and autofocus, Slog2, 3, HLG, Cine and even though I get snoffs from Full Frame people, they are amazing in low light. I was disappointed with full frame a7iii as I thought low light performance would be much better. Imagine my shock when I had to pixel-peep 4K footage to see the difference. Then I got newest a6700 that goes 4K 120fps and has more dynamic range and in body stabilization. I returned it as it was much noisier (faster sensor and it seems it's really hard to get +30fps 4K that is as good in low light as a6400 is). Every time in the last 2 years that I buy another body I'm returning it and sticking to my reliable a6400 tiny apsc cameras. Never ever did any of my clients say that I need Full Frame or that my footage is not good enough, actually everyone is praising how sharp and vibrant the materials I deliver are.

[@davemorphling7432]

also give ZV-E10 a try, same sensor but less noise for video with better software, there is a comparison on yt. I can shoot footage with Arri rolloff on a package that costs $1k, the price of a single fuji 16mm f/1.4 aps-c lens!

[@PeterSchramm3]

I am considering a Sony A6700 because it can shoot 4K 10 bit. So you think the 8 bit A6400 is much better? Did you try shooting with the A6700 in 10 bit and colour correcting? I guess noise is noise and colour correcting won’t get rid of that?

[@PeterSchramm3]

How do you deal with not having a head phone jack on the Sony A6400? I see it has a microphone jack. Are you able to visually see the audio levels? Also, I assume you record audio separately?

[@davemorphling7432]

zv-e10 (same sensor as 6400) has headphone jack, both have visual audio levels, a6700 is not reliable for long shoots as it overheats, 8-bit of zv-e10/6400 requires less computing so less heat. Noise should be roughly the same, but A6700/FX30 are a better option for higher ISOs up to 3200, aps-c is bad for anything after that. Difference between 10-bit & 8-bit sony is: - improvement in highlight colors thus details e.g. when shooting sky - slight improvement in shadow/highlight rolloff @@PeterSchramm3

[@MovilidadOkeimas]

I really love your content and it was super inspiring for my career. I'm an audio guy from Argentina and I wanted to ask you about what sound equipment your are using for your outdoor filming here at your channel? of course if you want to make a more pro approach and tell us more about the audio team you work with, it would be super cool! Thanks Luc!

[@jamesharrison4272]

Good advice. My two newest bodies are 4 years old, purchased used and still going strong. Global waste??? Old working cameras don't go into landfills ~ They get passed around/down so others have an opportunity to learn and enjoy. Lenses are an investment, camera bodies are not.

[@LucForsyth]

I hope you're right! But I suspect a lot of camera gear ends up in the dump before it's ready...

[@mtmccornack]

I have one trick up my sleeve... Some items (like lenses) are a steal when you purchase refurbished from the manufacturer. They still have a warranty and usually shave off huge discounts that are perfect for self funded upcoming photographers. My last go pro was found in a pawn store 50% off and still had the peels on..... Mmm satisfying mmm....

[@kingmuhu]

Awesome advice. GL in the wild out there!

[@blender_wiki]

The camera is for most people the smallest investment they made if they are a serious DoP or a documentarist. And is an investment and not a cost, that means the camera must produce money (and not your work). Usually lenses are the biggest investment. However because you change the camera more often than lenses (lenses they can last for your career), the cost in your career for cameras can be quite important. And remember that you can rent a top level camera for cheap if your project really need one.

[@freestyleproduction1]

You are always Spot on man. Thanks for the down to earth commentary on your thoughts regarding subjects we filmmakers can get consumed by

[@LucForsyth]

Thanks man!

[@tomphan6397]

Skill is getting the best quality from a phone, dslr, cinema cam, light, lens, story. $100 D3300 and Z50 with Sigma 17-50 2.8 & 35 1.8 are my fav for run and gun docu and music video.

[@DominikMBlock]

My University has several FS5 with Shoulder rigs and F4 18-105mm Lenses. And this setup totally works with the Audio gear and lighting tech they have. They may not have flow tech tripods, but the sachtler they have are solid and they do the work, as most of the gear. Yes, the autofocus from the FS5 sucks and most newer Sonys will get you a better image, but it's totally fine to do aftermovies, interviews, docs etc.

[@LucForsyth]

yep! I don't really use autofocus so not a problem for me, but you're not wrong!

[@SpicySnafu]

Were literally working with the amazon/ebay/walmart budget and are using 2 A7S2's from ebay. I was a little nervous as I had never bought a used body but it was definitely a great starting point.

[@charlesteton]

All very true… I have gone down same route but with Canon, now with 4K C300 MK II. Would I like MK III, yes sure but waiting for Canon’s next big Cinema range release and for prices to tumble. Depreciation is crazy at the minute. I bought my C300 MK II cheap, ex rental, with full Zacuto VCT shoulder rig, for £3,200 two years ago, now base 4K C300 MK II kit is selling between £1,600 and £2,000. Crazy! Keep up great work. C

[@IslandFilmMaker]

Great Conversation! So many NEED to know... it's NOT ABOUT the GEAR! It's what you do with it. How many I've seen in the past decade with the most expensive top-of-the-line gear and their product didn't improve, some even got worse. Invest in lenses that's it!

[@LucForsyth]

Gear helps for sure, but luckily tech these days moves so fast that "obsolete" gear is still amazing!

[@TheWeddingGuest.]

Great video and insights. A nice reminder to look at past gen gear before shelling out for the latest and greatest.

[@M2008tw]

Lots of good advice here. This year I inherited quite a bit of money, so I was able to invest in new equipment, but I bought most of it second-hand. In fact, I have a new customer that I have bought from who would like to cooperate and who would possibly like to rent what I have bought should he need it. I have saved a lot this way and at the same time made some new contacts. I would just like to add that I have never bought really expensive equipment and that I am in a place that is more of a hybrid between photo but mostly film. Thank you for sharing.

[@LucForsyth]

Great call - love this approach!

[@Ghatbkk]

Professional photographer here who has been at it for 40 years. Current work cameras are 2 Nikon D750s and 1 D600. The ONLY camera I have bought brand new in the last 40 years is my very first working camera - an FE2. Since then, all used. Lenses? My 50mm f1.8. All the rest (35mm, 16-35mm, 24-70mm, 80-200mm, 105mm Micro)? Used. What I do buy new is lighting gear these days (although I bought used for years), mostly because lighting gear is now so cheap that it really doesn't make any sense to buy used. The same lesson that you are talking about for video cameras, I find applies to still cameras. And with the massive influx of mirrorless gear, DSLRs and their lenses are available on the used market at great deals.

[@LucForsyth]

I can definitely relate! Still love my d750...

[@scotey]

I think with newer cameras you're paying more for convenience features than any sort of major leap in image quality.

[@sammorganmoore]

But convenience will deliver fluid story. Image quality has been better than you need since the BMC 2.5k. of 2012 or whenever it was.

[@scotey]

@@sammorganmoore Not saying convenience features aren't valuable. Just that they don't directly impact image quality. So unless you're buying a newer camera to leverage its ergonomic advantages, you're unlikely to get a better image on a basic shoot.

[@sammorganmoore]

@@scotey Indeed. But what im saying is that good ergonomics are what bring you good filming experience and therefore quality content. Ergonomics win. My first nice camera was F3 with external monitor and recorder.. very pretty pictures but so heavy I could not walk 50m with it. Like BM big cameras make pretty too - again horrifically heavy and c300 with a christmas tree of wires up top. Pretty but unusable. Mirrorless with side HDMI - and monitor horrid too. R6, in the hand.. go out create content. It my opionion that many are too focussed on look and not enough on content.

[@IdeaStudioBKK]

Great advice, most of my gear is used, who doesn't love to save money! Also, it seems that every episode its getting colder and colder, stay warm.

[@LucForsyth]

it's -20 Celsius now and dropping every day....pray for me!

[@NewsOneLive]

I just bought a full FS7 Mark11 camera package that looks like new with a 18 to 110 G PZ lens with batteries and Cards and a other stuff for $3500. I love the fact its S35 are soo good and soo cheap and don't get me started about the variable NDs. I really like the old school of a camera that can be shoulder mounted andin a second on a tripod. Hope to shoot more EPL's and BTS for films with it. The 3log3Cine looks great

[@tw9535]

I follow the exact same path for stills photography. If my camera gear can only record what was top of the line 10 years ago then so what? There were wonderful things produced 10 years ago and I only have myself to blame if I cannot do likewise. Shorter version: it's the lighting.

[@keithnisbet]

Brilliant breath of fresh air and common sense on YT!!!

[@LucForsyth]

Thanks!

[@JimOceanStateVideo]

Great advice …. For anyone shooting docs, I would also add a Z280 to your list for consideration… I love to run and gun with my FS7 when shooting docs, but when I have to move even faster and lighter, the Z280 serves me well.

[@LucForsyth]

Don't know it well, but have heard good things!

[@Brian-Hansen]

Sound advice Luc! I have tried telling some young guys to buy used cameras and they look at me like I have 2 heads. They want that unboxing experience!

[@LucForsyth]

The unboxing just makes me feel like I"m spending money...and I hate all the garbage!

[@SirSeabass]

Hustle hustle hustle. I just wrapped on a reality show this week, next month I'll be working on a feature in teh Art department. I know its not nessavery, but I think as a director atleast knowing the language of every department is importnat. Which is the ultimate goal for me. I do have a kind of off topic question for you though if you see this: Do you have any recomendaitons on practicing puling focus. I really struggle with it. I have to rely heavily on my autofocus but I want to be better shooting manually.

[@flcon16]

I think the last camera I bought new was a Nikon D90 in 2008, my first DSLR. It really just does not make sense to pay new prices for cameras and most lenses.

[@justinferrato]

Yes - totally agree. Use the basics and limitations to expand your creativity. What do you think of the URSA Mini Pro 4.2k as a doc workhorse?

[@niclasericsson]

I love buying used gear. I picked up an old EF mount Sigma 70-200 f2.8 with some fungus inside for USD150. Took it apart, cleaned the lens elements inside, and now it's good to go on my Lumix S5.

[@LucForsyth]

it's the best!

[@JonathanCabot]

Please keep making these videos Luc

[@LucForsyth]

I plan on it!

[@robpullen]

I love this vid. So first of all thank you. I’ve been a very casual KZbinr over the last few years but I wanna step it up in the new year by filming stuff around my local town for a KZbin channel. I want to call them docs but I’m sure they’ll be far from that. My point is that I have an old dlsr and I’ve been looking at upgrading but didn’t even consider the types of cameras you mentioned. I will definitely have a look at used stuff and although a cinema camera won’t suit my style as I’ll be more vlogging and adding timelapse stuff to the channel but it’s really made me think. Thanks again. ATB

[@141450014145]

Thanks for the video, a lot of solid points there - I appreciate that you took the time to put it together so nicely. One point I missed though: You didn't tell what the reason was, that they filmed a show like Trafficked on such an old camera. Sure it's possible, but was it done for monetary reasons? The DP had a bunch of them lying around and wanted to squeeze out a few more years? Availability of spare parts, if sth breaks at remote places? Just because it's possible doesn't mean you have to avoid an fx6 or fx9 on a big show like this...

[@romankuhler]

Thx Luc🤙🏼 I love the Image of trafficked. 1080 has something so smooth that makes it so nice to watch. Have a great day😉👍👍👍

[@LucForsyth]

I prefer it as well!

[@greggchristensen8524]

Great advise on photography and videography equipment. Thats what Ive been doing for years. But what I want to know is what gloves/mittens are you using in this video. They look very camera friendly?

[@mickyou86]

Best advice i've seen in a while. Thanks for making this video. Its going to save a lot people money.

[@LucForsyth]

I hope so!

[@JoATTech]

Actually in my country there are rarely used cameras for the price that good I would buy it over the new one. In most cases when I buy new one it's cheaper because I can write off VAT when camera is my company expense. And if someone got "so called linear tax" they can write off another 19% ... so actually new one is for the 68.31% of the list prices at the end. Never seen used one for price that good. The only exception would be when another company sells used one, they I can still write off both taxes, but companies rarely sell used gear ... so ... new it is in most cases. I sometimes got a chance to buy used lenses, but it's also quite rare. I guess your advice is 100% accurate in states ...

[@MindfulGrinds]

I appreciate this video so much because I feel pressure to get rid of my two fully rigged out fs5mii’s. I picked up an A7SIII used recently with the intention of doing some KZbin stuff. Thanks for your incredible insight!

[@gavenevans]

The doc is more than the camera, and YOU have to be more than the camera. Don’t fall for the hype boys 🤘

[@TimScarfe]

Great video bro! I think you compressed your audio which lifted up the breath sounds quite a bit

[@QuezArt]

My first “cinema camera” was an fs700uk from Sony. And still love it.

[@scsl6797]

What a wise point of view ! Bravo !

[@donmcvey]

Sold my FS7 a while back and got an FX6. Shot a couple of feature docs on the FS7, but I never really liked the image out. It was more than the funky colour. It doesn't handle strong backlight for example. Skin tones can turn into one big blob of colour. Not imagining this as I know a load of DPs who say the same. But the worst thing for me was what I can FS7 'smear'. Just something not right with movement. Anyway, not bashing the FS7, but I have to disagree slightly that you can't see a difference with newer cams. The FX6 for me has a way nicer image and is worth every penny. I also get hired as an 'FX6/9' shooter a lot - just cause clients specify those cameras. Pays itself off very quickly.

[@lenart-l]

I am shooting on A7C and I am quite satisfied. Would love 10 bit colors and 4k 60p but other than that it’s a great camera 😊

[@esterhammerfic]

I have one two and I love the image it gets. Fantastic value for the money. ONLY thing I don't like is how susceptible they are to light banding with certain led lighting at venues. No other camera I've used has that issue

[@surfntrucks]

This is great advice. Learn the craft. Some of these cine camera's have better image quality and bit rates than new mirrorless cameras.

[@jakekelly1295]

Can someone please enlighten me, what is the benefit and pros to shooting on some of these "made for TV" cameras such as the F5 or Fs7 comparative to a Sony A7iv? The quality and fidelity, not to mention the portability of these hybrid DSLR's systems seem perfect for documentary film-making once paired with the appropriate accessories. I know it is all down to personal taste and circumstance but I'd appreciate some pointers!

[@kevinkurka8020]

I have a Sony Fs5 mk ii. I love it works great as is, occasionally I add and record RAW to atomos Ninja + when the project need is it.

[@hbmorris5558]

Hey Luc! As usual, I appreciate your terrific advice as always. Making the jump from commercial/marketing work for 28 years to full-time doc filmmaking, I sold my other run and gun cameras (including a Panasonic DVX200) and bought a USED Canon C500 Mark ii. The camera I bought from someone on a Canon C500 group on Facebook is absolutely pristine, had only 32 hours on the clock and even came with 2 years left on the premium Canon Support Plan. Plus, the seller threw in a boatload of Bright Tangerine, Wooden Camera, SmallRig and Zacuto accessories (shoulder rigs, 7" SmallRig monitor, dovetails, handles, cage, dovetails ect) not to mention SIX V-Mount batteries. The out the door price for ALL of this?? $9600! This even included shipping from Texas to me in Michigan. I originally was leaning towards one of the FX cameras saw a number of great videos demoing and recommending this camera and I already have a collection of Canon L lenses. So I jumped at it and am loving it. I also took your advice and bought a full-boat at AOD and am loving every second of it--aside from the fact that I wish I could actually talk with Mark or Michael one on one. Thanks again for your great work and great advice, Luc. I hope to have the opportunity to meet up with you one day too. I'm on your waiting list!

[@LucForsyth]

That's an amazing deal! Great find! I'll let you know as soon as I can re-open the course, will be great to connect there. Still stuck in the arctic though for now!

[@MaskinJunior]

My first prefessional camera was my Panasonic HVX 200E, the only regeret that made that camera obsolete for me was it didnt have the possibillity to change lens, So 5-6 years later I upgraded to Panasonic AG-AF101E that was sitting arount on a shelf as NOS at a store in Israel. So I bought it of ebay and was happy about it. I think the only new gear I have is one chineese lens I rarly use, a couple of pirated batteries, a chineese mike and some cables. My coolest lens that is almost impossible to film with is a Soviet made 1000mm mirror lens. That type of gear is impossible to buy new.

[@RobPerreault]

Well done bro, love the campfire vibes.

[@starskymedia]

Very informative and excellent video and advice. However, when you talked about buying a barely used second hand camera and letting the seller "eat" the price of opening it, you failed to mention that you also don't get any warranty on second hand. If something breaks, you won't be able to go back to the store and get it fixed/replaced etc.

[@LucForsyth]

Yes, this is true...but most warranties are designed by the manufacturers not to be necessary as cameras have an expected lifespan. I cover myself for this stuff through gear insurance. Worth the savings for me. But you're not wrong!

[@queefreak666]

The best camera for docs is Canon C line, new or old. What's the reason for being so Sony focused on this video?

[@PelicanNorth]

Gotta have those gloves! I'm in Minnesota, and just yesterday realized I needed fingerless gloves. Who makes the ones you have? Great camera advice, too!

[@JACKnJESUS]

Now I know this is not anywhere near a professional rig...but I could not resist it. Just picked up a Sony VG-10 with 18-200 lens and 18-55mm for 199 bucks. I figure it's a place to start.

[@achselstollen3078]

I bought a FS700R in very good condition for a thousand euros and a shogun inferno for 500 euros. I am using the lenses i allready use as a photo shooter on my Alpha 7RIII and i am surprised, how good the FS700R+Shogun Inferno is. I can shoot ProRes Raw continiously on 4k in 60fps and also can do very nice slow-motion with up to 240fps 2k. Now i have to do the one thing that makes you better: Film, film, film.

[@LucForsyth]

yes man!

[@billmakesmovies]

Hey Luc! I am watching the S11 premiere right now, and I was wondering if you could tell me which settings the Canon XA cameras use. I have an old G30 series from some years ago that I want to throw back into the mix, but can’t ever remember if the AVCHD or MP4 is ideal, or which mode to choose for ease of use. Figured the show contestants have their cameras set to one of the AV, TV, or P modes over manual. Thanks! Keep crushing it.

[@davidblumenthal1771]

Excellent advice. I agree with everything you said.

[@OLNPHOTO]

What gloves are you using?

[@johnclay7644]

great video luc, the new sony a9 mk III sounds like a good option (6K) thanks for the Networking video the other week very informative.

[@LucForsyth]

You're welcome John!

[@alvinburrell]

Totally agree with this - my only new camera was a C70 for the same reasons as you; other than that always used. I actually purchased an FS7 ii with the XDCA and Speedbooster for a bargain a few months ago.

[@indigoinarritu6096]

Thanks Luc! You win a free Spritz if you ever come to Verona, Italy. I try to tell folks this all the time. Now I will just forward your video for them to watch. I like that you use Sigma Art glass. That's my favourite.