Don't Fall For Scams With Our Top Tips | GCN Tech Show 331

[@gcntech]

Have you been the victim of a second hand bike scam? 🚴💸

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

I bought a new bike that had suspicious wear marks from a bike shop. I guess it counts 😂

[@MrDeftone1]

A guy tried it on with me on BuyCycle funnily enough, sent me a jpg of his WhatsApp number and told me to do everything through that instead of the website - reported him and it was deleted the next day. THEY are everywhere, be careful!

[@anthonyduncalf-uk]

I get them FB scam messages all the time where they offer you more or the price you're selling it at. I tend to go along with it until they say how they are going to pay. I'll report it to FB then as a scam.

[@___Bebo___]

I am the second hand bike scam unfortunately. I put stuff up for sale that has been hammered beyond belief and will snap at the welds soon. I don't really care, buying used bikes is silly and unsafe. Get the 12 dollar Tange square taper bottom bracket with boron steel axle and some decent square taper cranks and a frame, build your own bike up with smooth new parts. The 12 dollar Tange BB is smoother than 90% of modern tiny ball external bottom brackets anyway. This bottom bracket bearing used to be the legendary Shimano UN72 before Shimano started churning out mostly junk bottom brackets, Tange Seiki made them for Shimano. If you want to buy one of these gaudy advertising bikes used that's on you. I see that as a luxury item purchase for rich people only.

[@StevenDrewitt]

I got caught out very unexpectedly. Purchased a vintage Zullo from the early 90s(I think the original owner was scammed too). Upon checking the serials with Zullo he informed me a Dutch company had copied a few of his frames in the early 90s with his logos on them.

[@robbchastain3036]

That Cannondale next to a cannon deserves a retroactive super nice. And if Ollie won't issue it, we need Dan to step in and give it a splendid. 😀

[@gcntech]

Jon can... Ring the bell 🔔

[@oislam10]

Agreed! Though I'm biased 😜

[@maximiliano8540]

Funnily enough, I got the intention straight away and was surprised how they missed the cannon thingy!

[@monkeyboy7981]

If I was purchasing a premium or semi premium bike from Facebook or similar I would expect the owner to have a Strava account which comes in very useful to see how long they've owned the bike and how its been ridden and more.

[@gcntech]

That's a really good point! 👌 Use the data people 🙌

[@ronm9357]

Bingo! Good tip!

[@yamric]

Here in the States, when I sell or buy things on Craigslist, I ask them to meet me at the local police station parking lot to make the sale.

[@elizabethpoley6882]

@yamric Exactly what I was told. I was also told to try to get to the Police station a little early and go inside to ask if someone could keep an eye on things. Keeps everybody honest. I live in the west San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles. There is only 1 detective to handle all the hundreds and hundreds of stolen bikes. So, the cops would rather not have another stolen bike to deal with.

[@gcntech]

Lots of people suggesting this 👀

[@doktormoss]

One thing I've found surprisingly helpful when selling a bike online is asking the buyer how tall they are. I remember one person wanting to buy my 58cm bike who told me he was 5'7". When I told him I didn''t think he would be able to ride the bike, he suddenly switched his story to saying he was buying it for his father. And he didn't know how tall his father was. A little research on his part would have helped, but I guess he couldn't be bothered, and scamming has a low bar to get over.

[@byronholt6255]

I was working for a custom frame shop in the states that is known worldwide for titanium frames. We received notice from one of our partners in Asia that one of their customers brought in one of our frames that didn't look quite right. They shipped it to us for inspection and it was, in fact, a knockoff of one of our frames. The amount of time and skill it took for someone to hand machine and weld this frame was mind blowing. It was so well done that only people with very intimate knowledge of our frames would have been able to tell the difference.

[@gcntech]

That's crazy! Was it only one fake that you saw?

[@byronholt6255]

@@gcntech It was the only fake anyone there had ever seen and they have been making Ti frames since the mid 90s.

[@hagakuru]

I'm guessing Litespeed

[@brandonhowlett7781]

Reminds me of the story of the guy who forged $1 bills by painting them

[@redrocker1055]

1)Always meet in public places with security cameras 2)Shops and restaurants typically have money markers, to check if money is fake, at their registers. Ask them to check it. Or just meet at a bank. Never take cash apps as most allow chargebacks. You'll lose your bike and your money. 3) Report bikes you suspect as being stolen. Seriously, don't be that person. Both Reddit and Facebook have stolen bike subs and groups to help owners find their missing bike. Ten minutes of your time can restore a fellow cyclist's faith in humanity.

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

Everyone who buys a new bike is getting scammed these days....

[@out_spocken]

Could say that about most things.

[@36sportsawall]

I love the b-roll of you guys trying to sell bike parts in a park. For any Facebook marketplace meet up regardless of the price I always meet at the local police department

[@JonCannings]

What do the police think of that?!

[@northofI90]

@@JonCannings They have a space for transactions to take place right at the local police HQ here.

[@___Bebo___]

@@JonCannings The police station is a public building paid for by the public's taxes, and the police working inside work for you. Who cares what they think about what you are doing in YOUR building?

[@GCNuser123]

hilarious if you thought that was me!

[@brandonhowlett7781]

Smart!!

[@omardin8410]

I can’t recall the exact details but have heard scammers would pay twice very quickly using two separate payment methods, tell you they’ve double paid, ask for one of the payments back to third account and by the time you’ve transferred your money, both their original payments have been cancelled.

[@krehme]

I think you two are very entertaining and enjoyable to watch together. I appreciate everything you do. Thanks for just being you.

[@GCNuser123]

cheers! glad you like it

[@michaellynch1132]

I have done a lot of riding of public transit with a bicycle, trains and such. I have met a couple of bike thieves on my trips, I was always cagey about people asking detailed questions of my bike. They are surprisingly knowledgeable about bikes. If you happen to be buying a bike from an actual thief, it is doubtful that you are going to trip them up.

[@endcensorship874]

I retrieved a stolen bike (my friend's bike) when it was advertised on (name redacted) After I made sure it was his bike, I asked the seller to go for a test ride. I kept on going and never came back. You should do an episode on recovering stolen bikes; pros and cons, etc, Pros: you recover a stolen bike. Cons: you could get hurt badly if you do it wrong.

[@gcntech]

Wow what happened next? Did they seller try and find you?

[@endcensorship874]

@@gcntech I immediately posted I recovered a stolen bike, and I think he got the message.

[@bertmortier7678]

​@@endcensorship874bike thief got off easy. I'd have called the police to come and catch him red-handed

[@endcensorship874]

@@bertmortier7678 Police don't do shit about bike thefts in my town. They could care less. The thief didn't get a sale, and my friend got his bike back. Him getting his bike back was not guaranteed if we got the police involved.

[@hotsky83]

Loll you stole the bike form the thief 🤣

[@tertiaryeel2066]

Week 59 of asking for a “The UCI has no jurisdiction here” T-shirt

[@izi941]

And you will not get it. “UCI” and logo are branded, meaning UCI has to approve the shirt, unless they will give it out for free (unlikely)

[@Frostbiker]

The UCI logo may be trademarked, but "UCI" as a word isn't. You can sell a tee with the word "Apple" in it, and you won't get in trouble, as long as you don't use the Apple logo. Same here.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

"The Unique Client Identifier has no jurisdiction here" Hey

[@JonCannings]

Still cracks me up

[@Maxpower88888]

Jesus Christ gcn make the shirt

[@workshopninjathe1st]

I bought a lugged steel Colnago frame while I lived in Amsterdam - it was unpainted and had surface rust but was straight and cheap so I pulled the trigger. It was only when I tried to build it up that I discovered it had an English threaded bottom bracket (and no serial number) - there were apparently some Dutch frame builders who made fake Colnagos during the 80s and 90s… they even hand cut the clover leaf into the lugs! I decided that even though it was not “real” it was still a nice frame with good geometry and nice tubes - for what I paid I was OK with it 😊

[@gcntech]

That's somewhat cool though isn't it 👀AN old school fake 😉

[@KarlosEPM]

I've seen those being sold in Belgium as faux-lnago. They have nice paintwork, and at least you know up front they aren't the real deal.

[@workshopninjathe1st]

I did not really mind if it was real or not - at the time I just wanted a road bike that fit me - I planned to spray it myself. I ended up moving to the US with it and swapping it for a real lugged Italian bike - a Ciocc with its original fork - it’s still a lovely bike and I get it out on sunny days. 😊

[@robbchastain3036]

These trading posts like eBay have been amazing game-changers for bikes and gear and I joined the fun 20 years ago when I realized that local thrift stores sold cool used bikes for next to nothing, like 15-bucks for early-model Trek or Cannondale or classic Schwinn Varsities and such. And I bought them for sale on eBay simply to help fellow cyclists looking for those bikes. And a LBS, where I was a good customer, gave me bike boxes and tho' I can't say I ever made much or any money with these sales, I sure enjoyed making people happy with the bikes they bought from me. One gent, who bought a Falcon and picked it up in person, was over the moon about the pristine graphics on the frame, and he had authorization from Falcon in England to reproduce them for Falcon enthusiasts. And I might get back into selling some cycling products as, well, I still have the hot hand with deals on wheels at thrift stores and places with local vendors of vintage wares. 😀

[@bkmontgomery]

Ollie it’s good to see your relationship with the Bell has improved over the years.

[@VineetGairola21]

Research the market price, inspect the bike thoroughly in person, meet in a public place, and trust your instincts.

[@filipruml]

I'm fairly certain I'm a proud owner of a fake Francisco Moser frame. I don't know for sure if it's fake but don't know how to check. I bought it because I liked it and since it was cheap and I didn't know any better. I rode it for a couple of hundreds of kilometers and then gave it to my dad. Nothing wrong with it, and it's surprisingly light for a 40ish year old steel bike (about 10-11kg.) In the end, I got a decent deal on an average vintage bike, just probably not the one it claims to be.

[@ArdGeal]

Buying used is a bit of a nightmare- short of testing every bolt and adjuster you are taking a chance that someone else hasn't horrifically bodged some part of it. I'm wary of anything on marketplace as so much of it is blatant scamming you end up trusting nobody...

[@AlphaV5]

I Buy/Sell bikes a lot due to working in a shop, we also operate trade ins via Marketplace and the sheer amount of scam messages per item listed is insane.

[@JonCannings]

It's ridiculous. Someone is trying to scam me right now

[@gcntech]

It can be hard work can't it 👀

[@lg.studio]

Being from central Europe, I was looking on our local bike reselling site for a "new" used bike. I found one, messaged the guy, and he said the bikes are in England, he is in England, but his friend van bring the bike to me (to a city like 20km from me) and I can go check it out there. I am pretty sure that guy was selling stolen bikes in the UK abroad. Non of his listings had papers, even the serial number on some frames were removed. I hope he got caught as he is not posting any new listings on that site.

[@KenSmith-bv4si]

I'm old so I follow this old golden rule, if its to good to be sure, it usually is.

[@DavidCasebeer-wf8by]

I will tell an old story. Way back in the day (40 years to be honest) and before the internet, my brother sold a frame. The check bounced. The buyer was honest and made the sale good. A year later, when I was stated at RAF Bentwaters (Woodbridge Suffolk) I me the young man. One of my engine technicians.

[@larrylem3582]

It would have been funny if Calvin at Park Tool put his arm around Si's shoulder and said, "You're my favorite tool.".

[@JonCannings]

😂

[@kokonanana1]

@@JonCanningsJon, I have some 80s/90s vintage time pedals and cleats. Interested?

[@gcntech]

We cut that bit out 😉

[@MiddleAgedMike]

Aeroad is the only road bike you need. It’s shockingly comfortable to ride while being pretty light and a good climber. My favorite bike ever.

[@lancecrawley9542]

Great video this week, Boys! Thx!

[@gcntech]

Hope you learned something 🙌

[@SteveNinetyski]

Olli is sooooooooo great, I love his hair, his hand gestures really do it for me too. If only he thought he was more superior, I'd love him even more.

[@GCNuser123]

Mum?

[@mathewrose2951]

Last summer as I was shopping for a used hardtail for my rapidly growing son to ride, I saw a Specialized Epic XC bike that should have been about $8000 poorly photographed in front of a rental storage unit and advertised for $450 on Marketplace. My working assumption is that it was either stolen, being sold by someone who didn't know what they had (like someone selling her ex's stuff), OR it was an outright scam. As two of the three options were bad and it would have been a two hour drive to find out, I drove fifteen minutes and spent $200 on a Giant that someone else's son had outgrown.

[@marcclish]

Come on guys!!!! Biggy Big looks much better aesthetically especially on 1x Gravel bikes

[@gcntech]

Biggy middles?

[@marcclish]

@@gcntech nope..👎🏻

[@marcclish]

Actually depends on the size of the dinner plate.. we don’t the derailleur stretched to far forward so maybe biggy middles might be an option

[@gerrymcbride6429]

Christopher Wallace is the only option.

[@JeffPatry-od8ik]

When I’ve sold high end used bikes via Facebook, have always done the transaction in the parking lot of our local police station - not at my home, face to face, and only cash.

[@gcntech]

Interesting! The police don't mind?

[@gafk2975]

When buying expensive bike on a used market the two most important things are 1) always ask for a frame serial number so you can confirm authenticity as almost all expensive brands have it, and 2) proof of sale so you can see if store really exists and the bike was actually bought there. Beware of expensive frame replicas with otherwise real components on them or bikes that had logos replaced like Tarmacs with normal carbon frames that had S-works logo put on to deceive buyers.

[@johnrodgers6049]

Buyers on eBay may claim that the item you sold is broken or not as described and try to scam you out of money.

[@ridemyparkinson]

Never meet the buyer seller at your house because it could be a site inspection 😅

[@JonCannings]

Bingo!

[@johnrodgers6049]

I had a friend buy a fake specialized bike. It broke and he brought it to a specialized dealer for repair. They informed him it was fake. They repossessed it but gave him a real one at a discount.

[@gcntech]

Wow that is amazing service! 🙌 Do you know what bike they got?

[@gerrymcbride6429]

Sounds like a good basis for a scam 🤔

[@kryb2k5]

A Cannondale by a cannon and a dale, a Giant next to a giant, and even the Focus was in focus 🤯

[@christiandiaz536]

had one guy take me to court because i sold him a “bad” bike and wanted a refund and to keep the bike… case was dropped and he wasted both our times. Note i had nothing wrong with bike and had been using for weekend rides just fine for a few years. He test rode and we came to deal. Lesson learned- record the person trying your bike on sale and hold some collateral while they test so they dont run off.

[@gcntech]

Did this case go all the way to court?

[@christiandiaz536]

@@gcntechyes it did, i had to show up two times. Ultimately it was dropped and there was no final hearing.

[@jalebkhan]

I met a fellow rider who had his sworks stolen; and then the thief tried to sell it a few months later for a significantly lower price; unfortunately, to a buddy of the guy who owned that bike! Serial number used to confirm!

[@noobcyclist1017]

When buying/selling in fb. Im always going to think im getting rob or scammed. So im always vigilant. When i was selling my bike a buyer told me to go to a certain location for a meet up, that place is a bit isolated. So i ask him to meet in the nearest subway 2km away from the place he mentioned. He didnt rply anymore. Dont just focus on the bikes but for your safety as well.

[@gcntech]

That's a great point! Always be in the lookout 👀

[@barrysmith9154]

Buy from your local cycle shop.

[@bpfastfeet25]

*Juicy bike vault action!* is Grade A marketing!!!

[@Andi-r2p]

Andi P here, i'll take a nice for the Mares, sorry about the t shirt!

[@askmeaboutmattweiner]

I actually once got a counterfeit chain from the Shimano store on Amazon. I had no idea until it wore out after only 500 miles. Now I only buy chains in store.

[@gcntech]

We we're involved in a very similar scam 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZ6pcqCjfaedsMU

[@justsomedude7556]

I have one of the Park Tool WH-1 tools, flipping awesome for dealing with the wheel. I picked it up at a yard sale for $25 from a homeowner where the tenant scammed her for 6 months worth of rent and bailed leaving a bunch of tools and furniture. So she was selling things they left. Bad for them, worked out for me.

[@leighdickinson8299]

Great advice about secondhand buying & well presented lad

[@matt_m126]

What I am afraid of is someone trying to sell me a damaged frame. Buying used, I know I will need to refresh some components, but a cracked frame means you're out of luck.

[@nickc4716]

Proper Beavis and Butthead vibes this week lads.

[@andrewrowe5668]

Great content thanks for going through the process'. Great show, really enjoy what all of you do on the show!

[@bpfastfeet25]

I often ask sellers to take a picture of the item, but with a random object also in frame. (AI tools may make this method obsolete.) But if the seller sends me a picture of the item with a banana next to it (somewhat promptly), then I'm a little more confident it's not a scam.

[@seanhannagans]

I once got scammed by a Nigerian prince. Worst rendition of "Purple Rain" I've ever heard.

[@ridegarden]

I love large glasses to keep debris out of my eyes. Can’t ride without them, I’ve tried. Function is fashion!

[@gcntech]

It's great when they go hand in hand 🤝

[@izi941]

Too good to be true. And there’s me, selling 100miles used (test) bikes for half the price or even less..

[@adadinthelifeofacyclist]

You can't rely on the legal system to protect you. You file a report and they tell you that they won't recover any of your money but they appreciate you taking the time to make the report which will help them build an overall picture of online crime. Their crime-fighting amounts to gathering statistics.

[@markusleandersson3625]

when I was new to cycling I bought a what i tought was a Pinarello Dogma F8 Sky edition from a friend, turned out it was a chinarello. Bought it for around 2500 quid.

[@petermyers4409]

I don't really post cycling stuff on my fb account so as not to bore my non cycling friends. I save all that for strava where my friends have effectively bought into following my cycling.

[@boy638]

I worry about buying used carbon bikes since we can't see tiny cracks or fractures easily with the naked eye. Any reasonable tips short off sending the bike for a full scan?

[@lunam7249]

tiny cracks are really overrated, i have many carbon and ridden more, all with ZERO cracks!! i wiegh 170 pounds, maybe a 300 pound dude mountain bike?....usually cracks can be heard as squeaking when riding or vibration when tapped...chips by rocks, ya..carbon front wheels ya check out

[@elizabethpoley6882]

Yeah, if you're in the States, or at least North America, google The Pros Closet. Their used bikes are gone over by a mechanic, and they give you a warranty. You can even sell your bike to them.

[@truthseeker8483]

I vote for the Focus because it is so practical and obviously well looked after but especially for the Gold chain...despite the laundry.....😁

[@jeffhunter007]

Also be wary of receiving payment confirmation from PayPal (or another service) via email, but the funds don’t actually show up in the same account.

[@troycollett8540]

My wife bought me some cycling kit from a bike shop that I picked straight away was counterfeit as no shop sells full pro kit for $100 and it wasn’t even the teams clothing supplier either etc

[@Tom-lk3pb]

I still get flashbacks from trying to sell my old PC on Facebook marketplace *shudders*

[@bensmith2609]

lol it’s like this video was aimed at me. I’ve been considering buying a very dodgy frame online but it’s not sensible despite being a bargain

[@michaelnewman4302]

SAY "GIRO" (and get sued). UPDATE: Uh oh...Ollie said it.

[@suhdud4646]

My profile was created 10 years ago and I dont think I have 100 "friends". Im a looser in that regard but I dont care because on group rides less people means less hassel.

[@davidlau2467]

Is that the first time Alex said "Love you, bye"? He's usually awkward about it when Ollie says it, but not a hint here at all when he says it himself.

[@kermit3523]

The gorilla sign on the wall behind you, where do you get that from? I like it. Thx.

[@DavidFritzIII]

I would guess the knock-off frames are mostly sold as a second hand bike already built up.

[@bezlistosnypozeraczkebabow6513]

Also you should sign a contract of purchase with a seller

[@nickc4716]

Watch out for hacked FB profiles too. Dodged a scam last year where the profile looked sound but the coms with the seller didn’t ring true. Pretty sure the scammer had hacked a legit FB account.

[@hendrixinfinity3992]

Rim tracks and barrel adjusters

[@brannmacfinnchad9056]

@GCN @GCNtech Asking again for you to bring back the GCN Inspiration segment and submissions. Those photos like the Cannondale last week should be in that, not the bike vault, since the bike isn't necessarily the sole focus of the photo.

[@gcntech]

We'll see what we can do 🙌 How about we put it on the community tab of KZbin?

[@lbx5359]

If all we need is a do-it-all allrounder bike, how are we supposed to waste our time and our savings on getting the n+1?

[@SteeleyGaming]

I have my bikes registered on bike index and bike register

[@lukem546]

I used to work in a local bike shop and we had a customer unknowingly buy a fake Specialized Sworks Tarmac Sl7 and fake Zipp 454 wheels (it was fairly obvious). In the end, the mechanic that was supposed to build the bike for him refused to build it because of safety concerns!

[@gcntech]

How did the customer take this?

[@lukem546]

@@gcntech he was a bit shocked to say the least. He got the bike built up elsewhere but the route the cables took around the headset on the fake frame was something to behold!

[@randyhale4181]

Good thing to do suggest meet up in front of a police station if they don't want to do that then you know there's something going on.

[@bwarey52]

If the person selling the bike isn't on Strava with pictures of the bike I'm out!

[@gcntech]

What if the Strava is private?

[@bwarey52]

@@gcntech Dead to me I'm afraid, what type of person doesn't want to show the world how incredible they are. Same type of person with a couples shared Facebook account!

[@barbmorris7785]

what am i missing on the sturdy i dont see cranks at all ?

[@roymendez6615]

I was at my local bike shop one day and someone was having a frame inspection on a pinarello and it turned out to be fake.

[@bighammer3464]

Be wary of ads advertising hot single speed bikes in your city 😂

[@JonCannings]

I love a marketplace bargain!

[@gcntech]

Best one you've picked up?

[@feedbackzaloop]

With top of the range bikes there is another risk: the previous owner wanting to get some return on their luxurious investment and person buying also falling into this financial trap, when in fact the real value plumeted since then, eg: - bought for 10k 10 years ago, never ridden, asking only 8 - I'll keep it for 10 more years, it will turn retro and become worth gold in its weight instead of - well you should have ridden, jokes on you!

[@tonythomas8435]

You guys are always negative about UCI approved bikes but are there positives to having a UCI approved carbon frame??

[@rupertmcleod4198]

I, like, liked the video. Like it was so cool like.

[@andylewis8669]

Can't beat a chinarello or a colnnigo , fraction of the price for a fraction of the product no brainer 🎅

[@markusmuller8215]

23:12: you have the little slot where you put your thing in?!? Maybe that's why you have diffuculties to pump up disc wheels. I think that's not how it's supposed to work ;-)

[@bonvoyage5377]

Buycycle wont let me specify UK only bikes, it does its own thing

[@JonathanMahoney-ig9oc]

Need to see that WH1 in action please

[@tommoores1138]

I would always ask for a photo of the serial number and all bike companies I’ve ever asked will let you know if it’s genuine. Specialized have a special fraud and counterfeiting department who will tell you all about the frame, where it was originally sold etc. in my case they were especially interested because the guy worked for a Specialized dealer and was trying to scam me!!

[@huggcycles1545]

While watching this video I got a scammer message "I would come tomorrow, but busy........DPD collection......🤔" F@#k off, block and delete! 🤬

[@kurre_kallkvist]

I think I've been scammed with a fake GCN cycling jersey... Guy is a cyclist and the deal sounded legitimate, but upon closer inspection the jersey is clearly fishy. 😪

[@Wings_of_foam]

Cycling is just a big money machine. I've never seen a business that releases so many new products all the time. Do we really need this or is it more cool to stay up to date with owning the newest tech? Too much in my opinion.

[@aljaliah6868]

THE STOLEN BIKE GIMMICK : In covid I was selling one of my bikes on Facebook and someone was happy to pay me the full asking price but wanted to part ex "HIS" Eddy Merckx bike for which he only wanted £500. He sent me the photos and it happened to be one of three stolen EM bikes from south west London and I happen to see the advert just a few days prior. This is how they get rid of stolen bikes without needing to advertise them anywhere.

[@lukalukic1]

Every bike on buy bicycle have big discount which is weird

[@shane4176]

How many times can ollie say "Like"

[@marcopaganotto9125]

AliExpress rules 👍

[@reecedawson6113]

Never post or order things on FB

[@adadinthelifeofacyclist]

Yeah, a titanium bike should be fine for recreational riders provided they have a couple of wheelsets...?!

[@Tomalahno]

Got it. Never buy a Pinarello from a guy wearing flannel. Never by a gravel bike from a guy wearing bib shorts. Don’t buy any bike from a guy with a greasy beard.

[@fraserthomson349]

You are more likely to get scammed selling on FB it is the most god awful process. Constant is it still available ? Ridiculous low ball offers and the scam you mentioned where they can't pick it it up and offer you the price without eyeballing the bike. As you say if it's too good to be true 9/10 it usually is. That being said I picked up a great first bike 2022 giant tcr with 105 for £1k - after a lot of research.

[@Outsideville]

Stop picking on Geoffrey for him calling the Giro by the true name, The Big Italian Bike Race.

[@nigelmcclean4166]

They're ppl riding knock offs and dont know!!!! A friend bought and S Works from a bike shop used and later found out it was a fake...lost THOUSANDS!!!!!