Don't Make This Mistake With The Hellcat Pro....

[@360TacticalSolutions]

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[@cameronmills3414]

Do you know the thread or screw size for the sight? I got a free sig romeo zero and everything lines up but the screws are too small

[@eccolture]

@@cameronmills3414 I Try to get one sig Romero zero but only find romeo 1 sale, and where isnt easy to get the adaptor plate

[@baddad1357]

I have a Holosun 407k on my HC Pro. Had a gunsmith machine the posts off, and blue it for $14, not a big deal, took 15 min max. Rock solid mounted. No wobbling back and forth. Oh, yea, and they did have to cut down the screws included with the Holosun. Again no big deal if you have a good smith avaliable. Shout out to The Rock Guns and Accessories, Fayetteville, NC.

[@dennisduffey2053]

I heard that if you mill them down you void the warranty.

[@user-kq6ju6hc1w]

​@dennisduffey2053 that's correct

[@baddad1357]

​@@dennisduffey2053it was better than using the shitty reddot SA pushes.

[@MRxMADHATTER]

I direct mounted my Holosun 507K ACSS Vulcan reticle on my Hellcat pro. A few minutes with a dremel, touch up with some super blue, and it came out great. After I shaved the pins and before I installed the mounting screws, it fit so perfectly that it would stay on the gun without the screws. Of course you still need the screws, but that fit was amazing. I can co-witness better than yours (without the adapter plate) by what I saw in this video (I can see 90% of my front sight). I am a retired aircraft mechanic with 40+ years of expeiance building multi-million dollar airplanes for the military. So I have skills. The only down side I see is that you are permanently modifying your pistol which could effect resale. Also someone without skills could damage their pistol. You also need to be careful to prevent metal shavings from getting into the weapon. However the finished product is far superior to one of the other methods. Any gunsmith could do this job very quickly if you don't trust your own abilities. I also did the APEX trigger and action mod, extend mag release, and threaded barrel swap which I highly recommend. Oh yeah, they sell kits with many lengths of screws for an optic mount and a dremel can get you to the exact length you need.

[@lwilson1234]

Ok, good video. I am a machinist and making my "stuff" the way I want it is kind of a lifestyle for me. I did remove the rear lugs and direct mount a Holosun 507k X2. I have access(as most anyone could with a little legwork) to a lot of different hardware so the correct length screws wasn't an issue. If you know how to use dial calipers, a few seconds on a sander can shorten up the included screws fine. I CLEANED and used blue locktite on the screws. I also used a few drops of 2 part epoxy between the rear of the optic and the slide(sparingly). 2 part is nice on metal because it can be removed fairly easily but will stay in place and act as a filler/cushion for recoil. It has been on there for over a thousand rounds and hasn't budged. This is yet another reason for side loading battery trays.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Always glad to hear an experts opinion. Personally I always prefer a direct mount but I will say that if a plate system is designed properly, screws are correct and thread locker is used…there shouldn’t be an issue. The main point of argument seems to be cowitnessing which I honestly think doesnt matter. The overwhelming majority of self defense use of a firearm is 7 yards to so. At that range if your dot isnt working your muscle memory should be able to do the job and get you a hit

[@lwilson1234]

@@360TacticalSolutions EXACTLY on point. I simply prefer the lowest profile possible. I was LE in another life which led to private security and instructing. I'm still a guest instructor from time to time but that's not how I make my living anymore. Your observation about contact distance is correct. Predators naturally like to get as close to prey as possible even of at a subconscious level. I teach my students to first master the iron sights and then once you cannot possibly misalign the sights, then you can move to more effective use of a dot. The Pro has some excellent natural pointing characteristics which I think would make for a good "beginner" as well as experienced level carry option. The only thing I do not like is the unnecessarily heavy trigger. Feels like a G19 "NY Trigger."

[@cesargomez4911]

Do you remember what torque you tightened the screws down too?

[@bobdiekema5454]

I found your channel when I started researching the hellcat pro and your videos are awesome and no BS!

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I appreciate that! Thank you

[@1surrealist]

Your perspective = Helpful. LOL thanks for the vid--just grabbed a Hellcat Comp Pro and deciding on a red dot. This info is great in knowing the importance of having the correct knowledge up front. Thanks

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Glad it was helpful!

[@itsjustashow]

Springfield uses RMSc mounting which is pretty much standard on slimline optics now. Holosun is kind of the odd one out here

[@daveonezero6258]

Exactly!

[@funkla65]

Yeah, the Shield footprint has been around over two decades, and Holosun decided to screw with it by eliminating the two rear posts. They're getting the big head like Trijicon.

[@mikehubble8976]

That's why I don't have a Holosun. I went with a Vector Optics Frenzy S with side battery door. Mounts direct to the Hellcat. Perfect co-witness. Has a way bigger lens than the holosuns and a high frequency emitter unlike the other optic options.

[@souljuh4539]

@@mikehubble8976same here! I opted for the Vortex Defender CCW

[@Tsand4]

P365 is direct cut for 407k it’s a modified rmsc footprint most manufacturers are going to this this modified footprint. Simple fact is 407/507k/eps carry are way better then shield rmsc hex wasp CT1550 or the other little shitty red dots.

[@TMW2]

Just recently discovered your content--GREAT info RE adapter plates. Excellent analysis. As a Hellcat Pro owner myself this is most helpful. Thanks.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Welcome aboard!

[@nobody2b5]

Thanks same Gun in red dot.. Had a generic plate red dot kept moving a little.. Now after purchasing the new ch footprint plate with screws it came with.. Fits perfectly snug and no more issues

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Good to hear it

[@scotthoward1026]

I like your no nonsense take on the items you review. I too will install my holosun 507k (I already have one). Didn’t know it needs a plate. Thanks

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Thank you. I appreciate it

[@johnstanton2853]

My old eyes need an optic. I put a Holosun 507c on my Walther PDP 4.5" and it works great. I purchased a Hellcat Pro because of the smaller size, the magazine capacity and its carry-ability. I was stumped for an optic so I am glad that you posted this vid showing how to get this done.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Glad I could help. If you run into any issues or have any questions feel free to reach out

[@reese8752]

I bought an adapter plate from DPP for the Glock 43 MOS from Amazon. Fits perfect on the Hellcat Pro under my Holosun 407k. The DPP adapter plate is less expensive than the C&H plate

[@WheresWaldo05]

That plate sticks out too fsr on the sides of the gun. I'snt flush enough for me. Looks wonky as heck. Hard pass. C&H precision makes better plates

[@37gdog]

@@WheresWaldo05 I have a question for you if you don't mind. I want to mount a 507K on my Hellcat, but I don't want the plate sticking out over the side of my slide. Do the C&H plates fit the slide perfectly?

[@WheresWaldo05]

@@37gdog No it does not come out past the sides of the 507k or a 407k.

[@37gdog]

@@WheresWaldo05 Thank you

[@muddybear9178]

This is exactly the dilemma I'm going through right now with my new HC Pro. I've decided to go with a holosun and the solution at the LGS is to take off those posts, I disagree and you have convinced me to use the adapter plate. Thank you so much.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

The other positive with the plate is later on if you want to resell the gun I would imagine the posts being ground off might make it less desirable on the used market

[@muddybear9178]

@@360TacticalSolutions I looked on their website and the plate and screws are only $50, not bad. Thanks again for the help.

[@kellym3531]

@@muddybear9178 Not good either $

[@SLHJR0390]

DPP makes a plate

[@dirttrackracingforlife7107]

I purchased the swampfox sentinel for my hellcat it is direct fit and came with multiple screws for different pistols. The directions that came with my optics are great and easy to follow. I got a hell of a good deal on a July 4th sale as well.

[@nicolathonathan770]

Did you get the manual or auto? Green or red dot?

[@dirttrackracingforlife7107]

@@nicolathonathan770 I got the green dot manual with Ironside shield. It's a nice little setup.

[@nicolathonathan770]

@@dirttrackracingforlife7107 does the green dot have shorter battery life? Does the shield make the optic bulkier? Thanks!

[@dirttrackracingforlife7107]

@@nicolathonathan770 color should make no impact on battery life and the shield makes very little difference on size increase there are install video for this setup on KZbin as well.

[@jorgeanibal8834]

@@nicolathonathan770 green dot is actually technically longer than the red, which takes more batt to produce (red). But it all depends on the use, difference should be pretty negligible.

[@jeffoakes7971]

I love Indiana ! Walked in, bought a Hellcat Pro and walked out with a proceed in about 15 min. UPIN probably helps.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

lol ya that would be nice

[@joshz7712]

I bought mine with the Shield SMSc (came with it) and I honestly have 0 complaints. the dot is visible and not too big/small. Like the wasp it has to be removed to swap out the battery but if it needs to be re zeroed afterwards its super easy to do. It also has auto adjusting everything like the wasp but again ive had no issues with it. As i get more familiar with red dots i may swap it out but durability wise ive seen nothing but good on the Shield so theres that plus as well.

[@fallenknight4943]

How i have not came across your videos before is beyond me but i automatically followed you. Great video man

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Thanks, I really appreciate it. One thing you will notice here is theres no bullshit. I call it like I see it and I dont let my opinion get swayed by anyone or anything other than personal experience with a product. Glad to have you here, feel free to chime in at any time

[@koalakakes]

holosun is the one who made the non standard footprint not springfield. the shield rmsc is the standard

[@Christopher-pe6zj]

I got a C&H plate.. was thicker than the one that came on my EPS carry.. for $60 this bad boy is going right back!

[@360TacticalSolutions]

What do you mean thicker than the one that came on the EPS carry?

[@Christopher-pe6zj]

I purchased a CH plate and compared it to the one that came with the EPS carry.. noticeably thicker.. I did purchase it off amazing but seems to be the real brand? I was hoping it would sit a little lower on the slide.. but went back to the plate the EPS carry came with.@@360TacticalSolutions

[@angelicalsam]

You are lowkey hilarious, thank you for all the content on the Hellcat Pro, i just got the gear up package and can't wait to mount the viridian sight on mine, thinking about picking up the compensator on springfields site for my threaded barrel aswell

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Take a look at the Harrington arms comp. It’s way better than the Springfield comp. People are getting great results with it and it matches the gun so much better

[@angelicalsam]

@@360TacticalSolutions I will definitely look into that! Thank you so much 👍

[@rickperry411]

This video is the reason I did not mount my 507K without a plate. Thanks!

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Glad to have helped 👍🏻

[@thubandra963]

Holosun SCS: Adapter plates add a lot of extra weight to the slide and jack up the sight to where you have to install taller sights to co-witness. Having an adapter plate between the sight and the slide is like having the neighbor between you and the ole lady when she doesn't have a headache! Holosun is starting to make pistol specific sights. Good example, Glock 19 Gen 5 with the Holosun SCS. A tight fit, matches perfectly with the slide! Reticle in green for old people like me! Co-witness with the "crappy" Gock sights, beautiful! In my mid 70's and the SCS is pushing $400 bucks but worth every penny to me! Runs like a house afire!

[@Tsand4]

I have the SCS on my VP9SK it’s good but personally I like the 407k/507k/EPS Carry better.

[@jamesmayle8409]

Brother I agree many of the bigger named you tubers are in my opinion bought and paid for by the gun industry. Now I am extremely picky with who I watch.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

There are a very small number of well known channels that arent being fully influenced by the money. Make no mistake…I earn money from content creation but I stick to my morals. Ive turned down a dozen paid deals because I didnt think the product was at my personal standard level. To me, yes I have to earn enough to compensate my time but never at the expense of what I believe is right

[@billtaylor1656]

For anyone wondering a hell cat adapter plate will fid a dpringfield xds mod 2. The pistols have the same foot print. I removed my crimson trace optic that came with it and put a holosun 507 k on. I will say

[@marksc1929]

Finally ..One of the most honest videos I've watched regarding optics.. especially as I'm looking into the Pro or maybe the Sig XL ..thx

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Just helping out where I can. Glad to do it

[@cymanca]

Came across your video as I was searching for a reason to stay with Holosun or go with the Springfield proprietary red dot coupled with the pros and cons of a previously never used adapter plate. Great job with your content, excellent audio and video quality!

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Thank you

[@Stumpman2021]

All great points and made sense to me. This is my first red dot I’ll be using (on a handgun). Thanks for the info!

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Glad to help. Sorry for the delay I didn’t see this till today. hope you are loving it. Remember 360TS for a price break both at Optics Planet and C&H precision…Apex also if you want to look at their parts

[@scottsmith4710]

Thanks for the info. I just installed a 507k Holosun on my Hellcat pro.👍

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Glad to help

[@ralphturney2125]

With or without the plate?

[@scottsmith4710]

@@ralphturney2125 , with the plate.👍

[@joshandmanuela]

C&H offering a Father's day promo where you get the adapter plate for free with purchase of an optic. Several of the reviews for the adapter plate said the screws that came with it were too long and suggest getting 8mm length screws.

[@bradbarley6639]

Shield SMSc is a direct bolt on. But as you emphasize... Follow manufacturer directions, use Loctite 242 and use the dang torque specs!! I've never had one come loose or come off... and I have beat the crap out of them.

[@seandurns110]

Great video. Subbed and liked. Got the Pro last week and will eventually put a 507K on it with C&H plates. Currently running the Wasp on it bc that’s what it came with (got it from my FFL who had it set up that way). The brightness adjustment doesn’t bother me-but I am concerned about the battery life and I hate having to take off an optic to put a battery in. So that’s just a matter of “when,” not “if.”

[@360TacticalSolutions]

The battery is something I forgot to mention in the video. I dont know why any company would design an optic thats got to be removed to change the battery. Trijicon should have changed the RMR years ago. For me that alone puts Holosun in the lead. Thanks for the Sub, I will have a full review on the Hellcat Pro soon. Im working on the outline for it right now. Probably in the next two weeks or so

[@sofloflow]

Doing this literally today to my & my brother's Hellcat Pro. Great timing!

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Glad to hear it. I took mine out to the range yesterday. I love this combo. New holster arrived while I was at the gravel pit shooting but im going to start my week of carrying the Hellcat Pro with the Holosun

[@sofloflow]

@@360TacticalSolutions nice! Still waiting on my Mckinatec holster. Im running the Hellcat with a 407K & TLR7A. Great little, but capable CCW package.

[@bobgoodwin3653]

360 Tactical Solutions What holster did you get for your Hellcat Pro? I just bought one over the weekend and looking for a holster%.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

@@bobgoodwin3653 I got a McKinatec Talon kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2XTq4mdmrajopo Got a discount code in the video description. Love it

[@rodneyhobbs6507]

Just bought a cheaper dpp adapter plate off Amazon. Next day delivery and fit with screws it comes with.

[@AricWilisch]

If you file down anything on your slide you might also be voiding the warranty on the firearm. Good video. I just bought a HC Pro, although on the fence about using a red dot or sticking with iron sights.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Well yes…warranty being voided goes without being said of course

[@micahcollins3631]

While you are correct that the Holosun K series don't mount direct to slide without modification, it bears saying that Holosun K series don't mount slide direct to any handgun. The current industry standard cut is RMSC for this size sights. Holosun has a propriety footprint. So, the modifications you are talking about here are the same for any other slide with the RMSD cut.

[@stevenberg7398]

The Holosun k series dots actually mount direct to Sig P365 series slides without any adapter plates.

[@gregbeck906]

Your honesty is much appreciated my friend!

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Thank you. I try and call it like I see it

[@gregbeck906]

@@360TacticalSolutions Especially in these times. I am relatively new to the gun world and first thing I noticed was that there is always someone trying to sell something, not give honest advice, so it is comforting watching your base fact content. 👍

[@lowprofile2412]

Thanks for a great review. Obviously I’m here looking at optics for my new Hellcat . Your video is by far the best. Signed a new subscriber

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Thank you for the sub and the comment. Im planning to do an actual review of the Holosun 407K and why I went with that specifically. Hopefully I can get that video up in the next couple weeks. Honestly this optic is my favorite out of everything Ive tried

[@lowprofile2412]

@@360TacticalSolutions I agree with you there. I have an older 507 with the solar charger where the battery is on the bottom and I’ve never had to change it. I find it far superior to the Trigicon I also have.

[@rickkahapea5361]

Excellent instructional. Looking at Hellcat Pro to be my next choice without Wasp.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Excellent choice. Some people love the wasp. I dont like auto adjust dots and from what I’ve heard the battery life on the wasp sucks too. Holosun has a proven track record. No…its not a Trijicon bit its also almost half the price with twice the features and nearly as durable. Im doing a video on that subject soon. Hellcat Pro is a damn good pistol though

[@ATeamReilly]

Shadow systems definitely figured it out

[@davek6089]

Agreed, love my mr920 and how shadow systems included perfect length screws for different optics

[@crystalc4218]

Thanks!

[@melvinmcmichael1840]

I have the holosun 507k and I love using it and the battery tray is on the side which is a plus

[@wiz4750]

Watching this video made me glad that when I went to buy the hellcat pro that I didn’t get the one with the optic already on it

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Ive never been a fan of my guns coming with an optic already installed. They always use low end products when they include an optic with the gun

[@masonhall4753]

I just had an idea. Instead of making a plate why don’t they make little plugs almost that fit the 1/4 circles and would fill up the holosun full circles for the front posts, then you file the rears down. You’d have a full 4 points with no wiggle, and have it direct mounted with no plate.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

One of my HCP I sent in to Floyds Custom Shop and they modified the slide for a Holosun direct mount. It works pretty well

[@michaelwineland3520]

Your Brotha lynch poster got you a like and a subscriber lol....good video too.They hex wasp battery life isn't as advertised

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Lynch is a classic. Got that poster years ago. Tech9 was doing a show in Seattle and had all of Strange along with Lynch. I had to pull it down and take it home with me

[@daveonezero6258]

It is actually cut to the Shield RMSc. Holosun is the one that messed up. This is why I bought a Swampfox for the Hellcat.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Hard pass. Swampfox so far just doesn’t cut it in the durability department.

[@hoppyjohnson8571]

I mounted a Sheild Optic with a 6 moa green dot on my Pro and it is going to have to be replaced due to my astigmatism. That Holoson 32 moa and the 2 moa dot is the best option I’ve found. Unless someone knows of an alternative to the red dot. I cannot remember what they are called.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Astigmatism is weird. So many different levels of it. Me, I do pretty well with most dots regardless of color as long as they aren’t up too bright and my astigmatism is pretty intense. I’ll say this though, the Holosun 407k with the 6MOA dot works well for me. I know other people with similar eye issues that say it doesn’t work well for them. Basically if there’s a dot that works for you…go for it 👍🏻

[@chip6954]

I love how you followed up your rant about KZbinrs repeating the same Hex Wasp talking points rant with shilling for the plate company for the rest of the video. 🤣👍

[@360TacticalSolutions]

You sound like the kind of guy that owns a Hex Wasp. Am I right?

[@nikkonikko8684]

​@@360TacticalSolutions😂

[@pjperalta5298]

Too much for me to process. I'm just getting ready to buy the HCP. Baby steps..lol

[@360TacticalSolutions]

lol nothing wrong with baby steps

[@Real.Mad.Hatter]

No homo but I think I fell in love with you. Just shocking to see a KZbinr with intelligence and elegance.

[@zackbutz1411]

In a couple years you’ll start to see the RMR pattern become industry standard, and anything else won’t sell. It’s already leaning that way. Holosun and Trijicon are cornering the market. 5-7 years ago you had a choice of key mod or m-lok. Now the standard is Mlok. RMR footprints will be the same way. It’s only been recently that there’s a lot of pistol optic options that are reliable and durable. The market will catch up.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

True story

[@jaboclawson371]

Excellent video. The Hellcat Pro is my EDC. I think its a great gun. Im one of those who shaved down the lugs to direct mount a Holosun 407k. Direct mount is the way to go when its possible but I have to admit, I do wonder if I made the best choice. Time will tell. Really appreciate the straightforward presentation. Liked and subbed

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Thanks for the comment. I do feel like there is an argument to be made in both directions on that topic. At the same time why cant these companies just make a standard friggin design so things are interchangeable. Thats what I want. 100% direct mill and interchangeability between optics...in a perfect world at least lol

[@itsjustashow]

I mean the optic mounts to a plate which would be the same as modifying the slide to fit it. No matter what it's the same thing

[@jaboclawson371]

@@itsjustashow my only worry is the fact that I ground off those recoil bosses. There’s less steel preventing back and forth movement and all that stress is on the 2 tiny screws.

[@itsjustashow]

@@jaboclawson371 I get that but the optic is still mounted the same way to the plate. All it's doing is allowing for the plate to sit differently

[@360TacticalSolutions]

@@itsjustashow actually its not. The locking lugs in the front of the optic cut make less contact than the adapter plate and decreases stability

[@soulbarberful]

I agree with You on the Companies coming together and have the same Footprint on Red Dot Sight

[@hblegal8309]

You speak well on the subject matter which is always very helpful. Now subscribed.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Welcome aboard!

[@stickfighter1038]

Got more experience with the Hellcat PRO since first watching this. The solution in this video is definitely the way to go. Have training buddies that have the Springfield Hex Wasp and Swapfox so got some trigger time behind both (more on the Wasp since the Swapfox failed rather quickly). The Wasp is not terrible and came zeroed to the Hellcat but the dot is small/slows you down and battery replacement requires removing the sight.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

That seems to be the word on both those optics. Niether the Swampfox or the Wasp are great choices. I love a bigger dot like on the Holosun

[@btzemat210]

Very good gun choice. I have the swampfox sentinel manual red dot with ironside shield setup. I had to use the M4x0.7mm with 10.1 mm Length bolts that came with the red dot site. The three included package iron shield bolts were too long. The swampfox red dot is awesome, but just make sure to use the correct bolts.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I’m really liking the Hellcat Pro so far. No real complaints

[@BigBeastfull]

How do you like it? I'm debating on a red dot, or just buying ammo/taking a course to improve my shooting. I have good eyes and I actually like the sights for quick acquisition. Shooting at distance(40-50yds) is a bit less intuitive than with my other pistol sights

[@btzemat210]

@@BigBeastfull buy ammo and take a course.

[@luckylandy2945]

Bro can I ask a question? You said you work in a body shop, I work blue collar as well. Do you carry your same EDC to work, or do you carry something more comfortable for work? I'm new at this and learning

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I rotate between a dozen different guns just because I have this channel and I’m always testing new guns and holsters and stuff. Work is a tough one though. Most places don’t want you to have a gun on you while working. My job would prefer people leave them in their car but honestly I just lock mine in my toolbox. I wouldn’t want it actually on my body while I work anyways. It’s pretty physical work that I do. If needed though, it’s not far away. I as far as what to carry, the HCP is as comfortable as you can get while still using a gun that has all the good stuff…15rd mags, large enough barrel length to be accurate and reasonable recoil, large enough grip to get a good grip on it. Sure I could find a much smaller gun and use it as a pocket gun and it would be more comfortable but comfort never keeps you safe. Comfort catches you slippin lol. Seriously though, conceal carry sucks. It’s never comfortable, it’s a pain in the ass, but if you focus on using a gun that you use well then you will do fine.

[@luckylandy2945]

@@360TacticalSolutions Thank you very much. I just weighed 3 different loaded guns last night and the HCP is insanely light while loaded. Ok, thanks very much bro.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

@@luckylandy2945 glad to help. Best thing you can do when it comes to comfort is focus on the holster. Maybe take a look at some of the hybrid holsters like the crossbreed holsters where it’s kydex on the outside and leather on the inside. Or to make the holster you have more comfortable, buy an Amazon yoga block for $7 along with some Velcro strips. You can find all kinds on video tutorials on how to carve a holster wedge from a yoga block. I had one viewer who cut a thin layer off a yoga block, 1/4” thick or so and then glued it down to his holster to give him a pad or buffer between him and the plastic.

[@luckylandy2945]

@@360TacticalSolutions I'm glad you said that. I learned about Tulster holster from your channel in a different video. I ordered one and I really like it. I'm not the biggest fan of Tier 1, but I do like them, their just pretty big for what I do. I found C&G Alpha holster is amazing. Makes my HCP disappear.

[@fattigla]

Good video, I think I heard the holosun rep say that the 407k doesn't have the rear lug holes because they needed that space inside of the optic for one of the electronic features. I suppose there is only so much space in there. It is unfortunate that there isn't one "fullsize" and one "k" footprint. I'm having to accept the idea that at this point, with slide ride optics there is a certain amount of commitment and compromise required to get an optic on a slide. I chose to remove the rear posts and shorten the front posts of my 48MOS slide. Once I got through the slide treatment it wasn't that big of a deal. I blocked out some time and went slow, and cold blued and it has worked fine so far, time will tell.

[@jaybee2812]

Question dude, do you have to oil the bell cat before you shoot it the first time or are they more like Glock that you don’t have to until a few hundred rounds in ??? Thanks

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Any time I guy a gun my process is the same. Take it home and disassemble it. Clean the whole thing inside and out the same way I would if I had been out shooting and got it really dirty. After that I reassemble and lube it up. When a firearm is finished being assembled at the factory they put some oil on it so it wont rust or corrode between then and when it gets purchased. That gun could go 6 months before it ends up in a gun shop and go through 4 or 5 different distributors. Then at the gun shop it might sit a month, two months…it’s hard to say. The whole time that factory oil is collecting dust and changing to a thicker, sticky consistency which could create an issue. Regardless of the gun I clean the hell out of it and start with fresh oil so I know if there is an issue with the gun it’s not the lubrication thats the problem. Does it need oiled…probably not, but I want my guns to last and I want them to be reliable so thats the process I use

[@ptld_train_horn]

Good thing is Springfield has other red dot now

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I’m definitely sticking to Holosun

[@steverutkowski8141]

Solid video less the props for C and H. They have had massive growth problems and quality issues. Far better available.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I think growth issues I can agree with but Ive never had a QC issue with their stuff. I actually just got a plate from them a couple months ago for my CZ P10C and it’s the same phenomenal quality ive come to expect from them. I think right now I have 7 of their plates installed in various guns, that doesnt mean its not possible but from my experience their products have been good

[@steverutkowski8141]

The issues they have had are well documented by quality folks. Mileage varies….

[@walkerwilliams3447]

Hey first off really love your page, & not sure if you’ll see this .. but I wanted to ask your opinion on suppressor sights for the hell cat pro, Since I just bought my ESP and would still like my iron sight to be useful thanks for any input

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I see every comment, I respond to 99.9% as long as they are real comments that can be responded to and not just people being trolls lol. That being said…you probably wont like my response to your question. Cowitness is bullshit. Sure having iron sights as backups is good but I rely on my dot, I trust my dot otherwise I’m not going to have it on my gun. In the event that it goes down and I need my iron sights the human brain isnt going to work fast enough to switch sighting systems like that. I practice here and there with my optic battery removed to simulate my optic going down. The idea is to build the muscle memory and hone the skills of point shooting. That combined with dry fire practice regularly has gotten me to a point that I really dont even need sights on my gun for the most part. People put way too much focus on backup sights. I get wanting workable irons but the reality is they arent as important as people consider them to be. I have a video on the subject that I will post below. As far as what sights to go with, I couldnt say. Because I dont believe in cowitnessing the way a lot of people do I havent looked at taller sights for the HCP. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6vHaWZtgtahpbM

[@walkerwilliams3447]

@@360TacticalSolutions Doesn’t matter if I like the response or not. I still asked for your opinion.. And yea I was trying to scroll through your videos but, I was stuck on the hellcat stuff and didn’t see anything on the topic .. So sorry for making you have to repeat your self .. looking fwd to seeing what’s to come in future videos.. Thanks again, As well great content

[@360TacticalSolutions]

@@walkerwilliams3447 I don’t mind at all. It’s a conversation I think is worth having

[@pnott931]

Do u have any recommendations for better irons sight to cowitness with the 407k?

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I dont. Honestly when I train I will do a couple mags with no battery to simulate the optic failing. This gives me an idea of where my muzzle memory aim is. I dry fire several times a week, practicing drawing my gun from different cloths and putting sights on target in order to build up speed and muscle memory when it comes to aiming. If you practice regularly you can point shoot within an acceptable range of accuracy which will serve you better than back up iron sights. Some people may not agree and that’s fine but if you are used to using your red dot and it goes down and you have to change your point of focus back to iron sites there will be a certain amount of hesitation which could lead to you being harmed or even killed. Training is a million times more important than cowitnessing

[@WyWy0207]

I have a DPP plate adapter with a 507k on it. Hellcat RDP. Also a Hogue grip. And an Apex trigger... The Hex Wasp is garbage....I have so many rounds through my hellcat and my plate hasn't flown off...The DPP plate has 4 little holes and the dove tail on the rear. Check the screw threading length and use blue loctite. I shoot competition/uspsa so if you shoot alot..I suggest sending it somewhere to a get a quality mill on your slide....but ALWAYS shit can and will happen.

[@ST-mc2is]

New to optics. What do you send to get milled? The plate, the hellcat or both? And what kind of place does this?

[@wicked.orlando]

LO that gun and sight, have the same, although I am thinking of moving over from red dots to green dots with circle find them much easier on the eye

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I do like the green dots but i dont like paying extra for green instead of red

[@davidgaines8607]

First of all , we’re all in this experiment created by optic and gun manufacturers together , so I really appreciate these talking points. I am currently researching a no plate option for the Hellcat pro , and to the best of my early understanding, the Sentinel has the little rmsc holes for the posts on the hellcat. However , then I’m back to your scenario where you don’t really know what screws to use , which peeves me about the whole red dot industry beta testing on us. Anyway , you have valid arguments to use a plate , I’m however on a plate abstinence kick. So far , the “best effort award” to solve all this goes to Shadow Systems for completely redesigning how a gen 3 glock works , just to allow super long screws to be used in their slides to mount your optic. 2nd place in that category goes to Holosun , with their sls optic (if it ever comes available) that is made to directly mount to s specific gun (currently only Glock mos) (hopefully more options in the future) . Anyway , I’ll subscribe. All smart points made , though like I said , admittedly I’m anti plate right now. Me and plates are on a timeout.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Excellent points all around and I love getting feedback, opinions and other peoples personal experiences. There has to eventually be some kind of agreement made to standardize things, kind of like phone chargers. Of course…I use an iPhone so I am the odd man out on that argument. Still though there should be a standardization so that the consumer can benefit from being able to choose the optic that best suits their needs and preferences. Right now its like running a friggin gauntlet to get the right optic on the right gun with the right screws and everything working without falling off or breaking on you.

[@Troy-yc4ch]

I own the pro. I tried the hexwasp. It is small and very hard to bring up and find quickly. I took it off soon after I purchased it. I tried to like it. I practiced with it. I took it off because I felt it could cost me my life. I just purchased the holosun 507k 2x. We will see .

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Any red/green dot is going to take training and practice to get down thats for sure. It seems like the people who really love the Hexwasp are the ones that are getting them for free from Springfield. The “real people” that try them tend to not be real impressed. You will be much more happy with the Holosun I think

[@ATeamReilly]

One of my favorite gun tube channels thank you

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Hey thanks. Im getting a lot of love lately and I really appreciate all you guys

[@spydude13222]

Mine came with a hex wasp on it and I thought it was pretty cool at first. First 100 rounds the hex gave out. Got the trij RMRcc and haven't had a problem

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Real people all give very similar accounts of the Hex Wasp. The channels that got them for free seem to love them. Makes you wonder what channels are being honest in their reviews and what channels are just making a commercial for the money…

[@JamesDThomas1981]

What do you mean by "have out"?

[@lokomokoyo]

Thanks for the info. I don't want to file anything on the gun, i like to charge things around. cnh bracket for me.

[@toddwhite1730]

Was going to ask if you changed out your factory sights but saw some comments below. Just wanted to point out that Langdon Tactical fixed this by adding the Ameriglo front sight. It raised the sight up to co witness with the Holosun. Left the rear sight blank. I like the U shaped rear sight and the original front sight for the Pro. I don’t own one yet, but after renting one this past weekend at the local range, I’m considering buying one that’s already built with the Holosun sight, C&H adapter and Apex Trigger

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I love my hellcat pro. Don’t sweat the co witness though. 10 yards is going to be the average use distance and at 10 yards you dont need sights

[@doms.6701]

Edit: what do you do at your body shop? I worked in the paint department as head buffer in a collision repair shop. I do miss it but not the summers 😂 nothing like working in a big metal box I don't mind the auto bright level of the wasp. I carry this pistol as an edc concealed. I don't wanna worry about "did I adjust the brightness for sunlight or is it set for night".

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I don't know how I didn't see this comment in my notifications till just now. In my body shop...I do as little as humanly possible. Really I specialize in RV work, specifically I try and do roof rebuilds as often as possible. Its good money and I can just zone out on the work with headphones in all day. As for auto adjust vs self adjust...I set my dots at a happy medium and leave them. I don't go up or down depending on the conditions, sunlight or night time. My issue with auto adjust is that it adjusts to the manufacturers idea of what a set of eyes will easily pick up during different lighting conditions. I find that all auto adjusts tend to lean toward being too dim for me to see as well as id like. So I found it best to just keep it at one brightness and go with it

[@brianrussell5378]

With the adapter plate and and Holosun 407 you can still use the open sight? Just making sure before I buy this combo. Good Video. Thanks

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I still have about 1/3 view of it yes. Good enough that I can still use them to put shots on target

[@lennydee3538]

How many screws and lugs hold the optic on; with the adapter plate, or without? Same answer isn't it?

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Same number, yes. The lugs on the slide are much smaller than they should be and hardly make contact with the optic. One could argue that negates the lugs all together which would make the answer to your question 0

[@sleigh4019]

How does aluminium steering off have to do with screwsn? ... Wow

[@360TacticalSolutions]

lol what aluminum are you talking about?

[@Durgrin_1]

This is my first time to your platform thank you for the information. And I did subscribe

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Welcome aboard. Glad to have you. Chime in any time with comments. Thank you

[@sleigh4019]

Pretty sure they use the CT optic ..not sure if they own CT or ruger?

[@rileyneufeld7001]

The lack of notch for the rear sight and the raised plate just makes the holosun less desirable for me. Maybe with some suppressor height sights it would make more sense but having seen the holosun co witness (or lack thereof) and the shield rmsc co witness (a true co witness) I just find it hard to buy the holosun. Even with people modifying their slides to direct mount it the co witness is barely acceptable and I'm just not willing to start grinding on my future carry gun.

[@JamesDThomas1981]

Totally agree. That's why a why with the WASP too.

[@tndaniels]

Very informative video. Thanks so much. I just bought a hellcat pro and debating on getting a holosun 407k

[@360TacticalSolutions]

The 6 MOA dot is why I went with that optic. I looked at other options but wanted to try out the 6 MOA. Now I wish I had a 6 on my other pistols. I absolutely love it

[@brittwright1070]

The 6 is to big for me, and my eyesight is not great. Traded for the 507k for the smaller dot

[@slappypappy67]

I ordered this same plate from C&H, Hellcat Pro with Holosun 507K. The screws they included are too long. I torqued them with a Wheeler Fat Wrench and the optic is loose. It seems others are having the same issue. I don't understand why they would keep selling these with screws that won't work. It doesn't make sense, because they claim to custom make the screws.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

So what did you end up doing to resolve the issue?

[@slappypappy67]

​@@360TacticalSolutions I called them yesterday, they said they will send replacements out today.

[@slappypappy67]

@@360TacticalSolutions UPDATE! I received new screws that appeared to be about 1mm shorter. The 507k torqued down tight and should be good to go.

[@toastz17]

Seth Rogan is into guns! Never knew. Love your movies.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Seth Rogan? I mean that didn’t even show any creativity let alone any actual relativity to my looks, voice or the way I speak. No stars…would not recommend you for lessons on burning people 👎🏻

[@toastz17]

@@360TacticalSolutions that wasn’t meant to be a burn. U Hollywood people are to sensitive. Don’t smoke and shoot.

[@gunZ_NbunZ_4Fun]

Thanks for the info! Also, love the poster in the background 😏😤

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Lol thanks. It’s funny because the poster is somewhat blurry in my videos. If you know…you know…otherwise you just don’t know what you’re looking at. I’ve thought about taking it down so I’m not sending the wrong signal or whatever but I get a lot of positive comments about it so I keep it up for the people who follow Lynch

[@quintonbrown2014]

Man thank you for this, I have the hellcat pro and I too couldn't find anything on what to expect with installing the hellcat and holoson combo and since I'm new to optics I went for the hex wasp since it was a straight forward install.. really want to experience a holoson so this vid helps a ton

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Thank you I’m glad it helps. I havent found a lot online laying it all out so I did my best to give the info without having KZbin break my balls and demonetize the video.

[@patgiocondo5044]

can you mount the holosun HE407C-GR X2 on the plate used for the hellcat pro

[@360TacticalSolutions]

No. The C series of optics are for full side slides like a Glock19, M&P or any of the others. The slide for the HCP isnt wide enough to mount a C optic on. You would have to use a K series Holosun

[@BigBeastfull]

7:46 based on this view I'd have to disagree on the cowitness. It just doesn't appear to be what I'm wanting in a sight. Which is sad because the Holosun rocks. That being said you are the person whose actually laid and eye through the sights.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Its a weird angle. I should have put a little more time in and gotten some better footage of that. When I aim the gun I can use the irons and still view the upper 1/3 of the front sight. Sure its not optimal but its functional. Ill take that in order to still use the 407K. That 6 MOA dot is incredible. Holosun might be Chinese but I think they are superior to the RMR in several ways. I genuinely cant think of a better combination than the hellcat pro with the 407K

[@BigBeastfull]

@@360TacticalSolutions Cool. On second thought I might try it out. I wanted to try the swampfox but failing SageDynamics drop test isn't awesome. I'd probably mount it by grinding off the rear post and trimming the front posts method 🤞 Thanks for the video

[@360TacticalSolutions]

@@BigBeastfull A lot of people want to get into the swamp fox optics because of the price. I figure thats fine as long as its on a range gun. Id never trust one for my EDC after seeing it fail the Sage Dynamics test. At this point its either RMR or Holosun and RMR left a bad taste in my mouth since they haven't updated their red dot in like 15 years lol

[@Murph945]

One of my favourite gun channels.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Damn. That means a lot. Thank you

[@Murph945]

I haven't won anything in 20 years,😂

[@OOnti-dz4jd]

Great video . Thank you .

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@OOnti-dz4jd]

@@360TacticalSolutions Did the C&H kit include the proper screws for your Hellcat? Did you ever consider the DPP option thats 1/2 the price ?

[@360TacticalSolutions]

@@OOnti-dz4jd the C&H plate came with all the fasteners you will need. I have tried the DPP plate on my other HCP. The first plate came in defective, one recoil lug looked like it was sheared off somehow. They sent me a replacement that was bowed so the plate wouldn’t sit flush with the slide and my optic wouldn’t sit totally flush with the plate. It was very slight and I only noticed deviate I couldn’t get a good zero on my optic so I removed it and placed it on a table, shined a light behind it and could see daylight under it at center. It’s half the price but you get what you pay for. You may get a good one but you may get a defect. I think right now most people are modifying their slides to be a direct mount vs using a plate. My second HCP has been modified and it’s working aside well.

[@jsmunitions1471]

Since the Hellcat's native optic pattern has six points of contact vs the Holosun 407k's four points of contact... If I'm understanding you correctly, the Hellcat's native footprint is technically 'better' because it has more overall points of contact?

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I think it’s more complicated than that. More contact points doesnt always mean better. The posts that are built into the Hellcats optic pattern are pretty small in diameter compared to what the Holosun uses. I dont feel like they have the strength they really need

[@tedm4932]

Good video ! So if I want to mount a Holosun EPS Carry , I would need the C & S Precision plate and also the screws with plate will be exact fit ??

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Yes I believe the screws should be the correct size. Make sure to use the link and discount code in the description so you save a few bucks

[@petemerriam5985]

thanks for the info

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Any time

[@JoseChavez-yg4ss]

Thank you buddy! You've been very helpful.

[@SmokeyTreats]

Thanks but I checked the 1 star reviews & because this will be my first new gun the stuff I read is too risky & or negative for this much money. Made in China, one had the glass crack dropping it 1.5 feet on a wood floor. Another guy scratched the glass too much to see through after a month of carrying while working in the woods on his mountain acreage, though his trijicon is still perfect after a year under same conditions, & more. I'm just going to research them more, but I do appreciate your vid.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Individual results will always vary. My Trijicon scratched after a half dozen range trips. Still no idea how. Hell that red dot cost as much as the gun its on so I was pretty easy on it. I wouldn't say that brands all RMR glass as easily scratched. If you really want to see what a red dot is capable of go scroll through the reviews at Sage Dynamics. The Holosun are the only ones that come close to matching the Trijicon in his tests and thats enough for me to trust them. Several shoulder height drops on cement and they still run and are still zeroed...I don't care where it was made. My one piece of advice though, you mentioned single star ratings? If you are reading reviews and ratings on Amazon, beware. Probably 7 out of 10 items are knockoffs when it comes to red dots and the majority of reviews are bots. Definitely do your research but don't buy it from Amazon or another source like that where they have different sellers. Buy from an established site like PSA or Brownells but never Amazon.

[@SmokeyTreats]

@@360TacticalSolutions Thank you!

[@ernestholloway9436]

Hay can you post where to get the plates. I just got the hellcat pro

[@360TacticalSolutions]

chpws.com/product/springfield-hellcat-to-holosun-407k-507k-adapter-plate/ That is the plate that I used on mine

[@ernestholloway9436]

@@360TacticalSolutions thank u I would like to ask you showed a leather holster which one was in and where is it made and how can I get one

[@360TacticalSolutions]

@@ernestholloway9436 mmmnn no, no leather holster. I only use kydex holsters. Check out McKinatec thats my go to for holsters

[@Codevil.]

360 like Washington, where I live, I hate it now, exept the view

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I feel ya. Ive been her a long time and nothing has changed for the better. When my kids finish school im going to have to rethink my location because WA has gone downhill fast the last decade

[@toddparsons2980]

The Hellcats use the Shield footprint, many more optics brands available with that footprint other than the Hex Wasp.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

List a few?

[@toddparsons2980]

@@360TacticalSolutions Shield, Swampfox, Riton, Viridian, Crimson Trace to name a few. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few more.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

@@toddparsons2980 being that the primary use for the Hellcat Pro is as a daily carry type weapon I would be very selective in which red dot I trust my life with. So far I cant find anything that uses that footprint that has passed strict enough testing that I feel comfortable depending on it. Swamp fox is probably at the top of that list but realistically those wouldnt go past range use for me. The Shield as basically a Hex Wasp…both are Springfield products, both optics only get rave reviews by paid reviewers. The objective reviewers I’ve seen have very little good to say about them. Viridian, crimson Trace, RIton…I mean these days anyone can make an optic, they just have to pick a footprint and have a warehouse overseas pump them out. Trijicon is #1, there is no arguing that. They are number 1 because they are reliable and durable. Sadly they use the same tech they came out with 13 years ago which means they are out dated. Holosun has all the updates Trijicon cant seem to figure out how to make and they actuallly put up with nearly as much abuse as an RMR. Thats why Holosun holds that #2 spot. Use any of these “off brand” optics at your own risk…Ill stick to the RMR or the Holosun for now

[@toddparsons2980]

@@360TacticalSolutions probably true but if no one else didn't get in the market other than Trijicon there wouldn't be any competition or innovation.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

@@toddparsons2980 oh 1000% agree. Those other brands though, I just prefer to keep them in the category as a range gun optic. Down the road if they prove to be something that checks enough boxes that I trust them for daily carry then for sure I’ll give it a shot

[@IvoryOut]

Love the no BS video. Thank you!

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Thanks I appreciate it. I try and just put info out there without adding a bunch of bs that isnt really needed

[@Frank-eg4mw]

Ordered the DPP titanium plate because Amazon had good reviews and the CH was hit or miss with some people you think it will work???

[@360TacticalSolutions]

I have a DPP plate for the M&P. They are decent enough but they dont feel like they are as strong a metal as the C&H. Also a lot of reviews on amazon are zombie accounts or paid reviews. You get that a lot with Chinese companies. Will it work…sure, I dont see why not. The one I ordered was definitely inferior to the C&H. That being said the DPP is like half the price so if you feel comfortable with it then rock it. I just know C&H has been a solid company for the last few years I’ve used their stuff

[@ImRickJames24]

I was just on C&H's website. Looking to buy this plate. I'm mounting a 507k vulcan acss to my hellcat. Looks like they have changed this plate. It now looks exactly like the DPP plate. There are no dimensions listed. I can't see paying double the price for basically the same plate. It would be nice to know if there is any difference in thickness now compared to the DPP plate. Also, what made them change the design?

[@ImRickJames24]

So I spoke with Wes at C&H he did confirm a design change for the Hellcat/ Pro. The original plate was .045, their new plate is .070. That's a huge change. The DPP is .058. He stated the C&H plate uses a higher quality aluminum compared to the DPP plate. I'm pretty bummed they changed the plate. It looks like the Glock 43x plate is exactly the same as the old hellcat plate. I might buy the Glock plate and just put it on my hellcat pro. Or, I might try to find an old style hellcat plate from a 3rd party seller.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Sorry, it’s been a hell of a week and I hadn’t had a chance to get back to you. I think I remember there was also something that C&H said about changing the plate due to a change in the design on the Holosun optic. It’s been a while so I dont remember exactly what they had said in the live stream. I will say…I dont mind the thicker plate, thinner plate…doesnt matter to me. Cowitnessing is like Bigfoot. It’s something cool that people talk about but whether or not it’s there makes zero difference in my day. I think thats the biggest problem people have with adapter plates is cowitnesing. I pull my battery and practice point shooting pretty frequently. What ive learned is that with regular dry fire practice and live fire training muscle memory will take over and help you land the vast majority of your shots within an acceptable range of accuracy. I trust my Holosun but I understand failures happen. If it fails when I need it im confident I can keep my shots within a reasonable grouping. Sure having a backup set of sights is cool but I dont stress it at all

[@Gmoney688]

Seth Rogan ranting about guns. Subscribed

[@360TacticalSolutions]

If only I had his hair 😕

[@Gmoney688]

@@360TacticalSolutions I do have a question, I just got my brand new hellcat pro and it came with the CTS-1500 red dot 5 MOA, I understand now that I’m gonna need to tighten it correctly with thread locker and a torque star Allen wrench, not even kidding you tho the allen wrench that came with everything doesn’t even fit the plate on my pistol to take it off, it’s very weird😂 I know it’s not the greatest sight but do you think I should just take it to a gunsmith to professionally install it?

[@360TacticalSolutions]

@@Gmoney688 I would. My local shop charges $50 for an optic install. They do them all the time, they have the right tools and experience. Sure you can hand torque the screws down but you don’t know how much torque there is without a torque limiter like the FixIt Stick set. Sometimes its better to pay a few bucks to a pro to do certain things

[@Gmoney688]

@@360TacticalSolutions that’s exactly what I was thinking I’m just gonna let someone professionally installed and zero it in correctly. I appreciate your input and I watched your whole hellcat pro series playlist today and I was very intrigued. Thanks for everything!!

[@360TacticalSolutions]

@@Gmoney688 I'm glad to help and if you have any questions feel free to reach out. Im generally good for a return message within 24hrs and unlike most channels...I read everything and respond to 99% of what comes in

[@georgesebastian6306]

Good info and presentation. I am still on the fence. I hate the thought of obstructing the iron sights and I bought the Hellcat OSP because of the U notch rear. SA has no Hex dots in stock so not an option. From the gun side of this I can see the proprietary footprint but can't understand the optics folks not getting with the program!

[@360TacticalSolutions]

Unpopular opinion of the day…we have made it to a place in time where you dont need iron sights. Co-whitnesing is a gimmick. If my dot goes down its ok because my muscle memory is going to get it on target well enough to protect myself in a defense situation. I really want to do a video on that topic soon. I will say this though, the iron sights on this gun are incredible. I love them. Almost love them enough to skip using the red dot

[@XrayMike17plus1]

Springfield armory got caught in some sketchy 2A issues in the past. Despite that I bought a Saint Victor carbine from them. Not a fan. Their manipulative marketing isn't a surprise either. C&H Precision does great work and has an excellent reputation. Can't go wrong with Holosun's 407K/507K as well.

[@360TacticalSolutions]

As far as AR's go...I won't buy one thats pre built. There is no convincing me that its worth it. The deceptive marketing practices and past issues...I feel that. I think for me im just looking for products that fit the needs I have. I rely on peoples opinions that I trust as well as my own personal experience. Id hope that Springfield learned their lessons but we will see. On that topic, you cant beat S&W as far as a 2A company that really believes in what they build and backs up its customers

[@acek100]

I just filed down the notch and easy fix