Don't show this to the Devs

[@shoxas]

Only 1 more patch till we're in the clear boys can we make it?

[@gilbertguerrero2916]

What makes you think the next patch is the final one? I’m just curious I thought smash would continually be supported for a while via multiple balance updates…

[@chignonn]

take this video down right now before I'm washed

[@Khanso1o]

I believe we can tbh lol

[@Creepo_J]

@@gilbertguerrero2916 No they won't lmao

[@Creepo_J]

Sephiroth safe from despair

[@xAgnyHDwithered]

"Show me your strenght" "Oh that's a pretty powerful attack" *Uno reverse card*

[@zichithefox4781]

"I said show me your strength. I never said I wouldn't use it against you."

[@jamgrams3244]

"That's enough"

[@tibisan3503]

he was at 69%, he was supposed to be immortal

[@shoxas]

The lore

[@garyyyyyy95]

69.1 bro

[@shinobuoshinoisbestgirl5778]

@@garyyyyyy95 that explains it

[@amberhernandez]

@@garyyyyyy95 Just means someone's watching lmao

[@orizin8102]

So, to those who don't understand this, I'll explain. (Tldr at the bottom) Scintilla's hurtbox is just a barrier in front of Sephiroth and if any hitbox touches Scintilla's hurtbox, it'll activate and turn Sephiroth invincible for a short time to ensure the move actually hits the counter instead of Scintilla activating but no hitbox coming out of it. Since Scintilla is actually taller than Sephiroth's hurtbox, it can get hit above and below before it hits Sephiroth. The hitbox is Scintilla gets bigger if it activates the counter which almost completely covers Sephiroth's hurtbox and since Joker's forward smash leans him forward, the move connects allowing this clip to exist Tldr: Scintilla is taller than Sephiroth and the hitbox is even bigger

[@diegovaldez927]

Just to clarify, scintilla's hit box gets bigger depending on the move its countering and only gets to partially cover Sephiroth at max strength

[@orizin8102]

@@diegovaldez927 oh, thanks

[@a_little_bird]

Yeah this^^^^ in addition to the fact that if you throw a Scintilla out and the enemy's move hits behind it, you get smacked. This clip isn't an example of it being busted, it's more an example of a lucky/1000iq correctly placed counter. pls dont patch tho

[@cha_michaelmf_1504]

To add to this: Sephiroth’s hurtbox does not act as a hit-detection area so he can’t counter moves from behind. However, Joker’s f-smash hitbox comes out on frame 16 meaning that it doesn’t immediately hit someone the moment someone inputs the the move. And since Joker was very close to Sephiroth, the hit box only came out when Joker’s hands were touching Scintilla; the hitbox was not there beforehand. Lastly, since Joker’s hurtbox was extended due to him lunging forward during the f-smash, the counter hitbox of Scintilla was able to hit him. Thus, due to bad spacing and Scintilla’s really large hit detection, Joker got hit with Sephiroth’s counter. Thanks for coming to our Ted talk.

[@a_little_bird]

@@cha_michaelmf_1504 Perfect breakdown

[@ChrisReubel]

this puts a smile on my face

[@TheGreenKnight500]

This puts a smile on my face. "Know your place." An important message to the human race.

[@MartyrLoserKing]

Yeah fuck Joker and everyone who uses him

[@imnotgonnasugarcoatit]

@@MartyrLoserKing Yeah fuck Sephiroth and everyone who uses him

[@ivanzebro7443]

@@Rolled_Cake thats just embarrassing

[@Rolled_Cake]

@@ivanzebro7443 like Joe? 😏

[@Rebel_Friend]

God Sephiroth saying “Know your place.” is so fucking scary.

[@samgomez9942]

I feel like it be cooler if it was in japanese

[@amaterasumaster8781]

@@samgomez9942 it's fine as is

[@samgomez9942]

@@amaterasumaster8781 Yeah but it would be cooler if it was Japanese though...

[@ninjabobbob8090]

Dude it’s a video game character… how are you this soy

[@samgomez9942]

@@ninjabobbob8090 okay cool guy

[@kelving420]

He got fed up by sora’s reflega in KH2

[@PsychicCatTCG]

Glad I'm not the only one who wanted geroge newborn as sephiroth

[@1stAid]

Nah, they can see it. They've probably seen how Sephirpth's down-B can one-shot Sephiroth when Kazuya reflects it, so they shouldn't see any need to nerf it. Then again, this is based off of the idea that they are using common sense....

[@pierre-antoinenavarro5560]

Kazuya/Ness/Lucas/Min Min/Hero etc

[@Cooldude-wf4gb]

There are still true 0 deaths if that says anything

[@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569]

@@Cooldude-wf4gb Aw hell naw, Linguini just grabbed Maroo at zero percent

[@Cooldude-wf4gb]

@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 it's their fault for getting graded at 0, s m h

[@theanimeman97]

@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 Let's say, hypothetically, Luigi grabs you at zero damage. You have no choice but to perish.

[@dynamical1540]

Gotta love I-Frames completely negating the point of the counter

[@t.s.isaac1516]

There actually no i-frame on sephiroth down-b raw, joker just miss sephiroth because of the way joker f-smash worked there's only a hit box in front of him so the hitbox hit sephiroth counter wall .... There is i-frame when the counter wall is hit however

[@DiverseStyle]

It… *puts on glasses* …hit from behind.

[@verylargemandarinslice8965]

Funny that you included that voice clip in the end because when I was modding smash ultimate I installed a mod that gives him kh/dissidia/crisis core sephiroth’s voice

[@rx-0727]

I had something similar happen to me when countering mewtwos shadowball. My friend said it was complete horse shit, and it was. 💀

[@g-stroyer3399]

I went to hit this move on a kazuya and he hit it with his reflector I died on zero

[@nj3469]

This is a perfectly well designed video game

[@extrete735]

This is......my vision 🖐️😯🤚

[@MorganEarlJones]

Joker's hurtbox shifts so aggressively throughout the course of forward smash this isn't really surprising or broken

[@sagetarus1]

Arsene Joker deserves it. His counter is even more ridiculous

[@Khanso1o]

I’ve been abusing Sephiroth’s counter like this in the oddest positions, I know I be tilting my opponents when that happens

[@CookieGal-]

This is why I like playing Villager against Sephiroth I get to do this back to them :)

[@phantom-X2086]

Don't worry, I won't 👀

[@BokahblinSans]

Thanks Ichigo, very cool!

[@andrebaxter4023]

Sephiroth: Somebody call an ambulance, but not for me.

[@lajazziamacklin8418]

NICE! I LOVE it when my favorite angel DESTORYS the leader of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts! =3 Beautiful performance!

[@stupakoopa_3987]

Joker: has a damn good aerial game Seph: decent argument. However: *Scintilla sounds*

[@darkyu3229]

He made him invulnerable and that's why joker hit the counter?

[@marihernandez5844]

Sakurai... we have a problem

[@jasonlobo2350]

Looks pretty normal to me

[@christophercampbell6884]

Imagine you're in this game, all you see is air, you punch it, then you get fucking countered.

[@phy_]

Proper

[@BanoraRuins]

sephiroth main here the joker deserved it for playing joker /j

[@mariodude7424]

Nah that should be Pyra

[@neojenshi4055]

@@mariodude7424 I do you one better, I'm joking nothing is worse than pyra mains

[@bonkeykong858]

I love playing as Mario and caping the down b on every spammy sephiroth

[@VioletVGVilla]

Definitely don't show this to uncle Nintendo, he'll hear English Sephiroth and get out the belt

[@WCRyder]

The move finally worked

[@PaulaTwo1]

My uncle is Sakurai he's coming for you.

[@booskidoo9169]

All I see is Scintilla working like it should. The counter was hit by the f-smash.

[@sprungle]

As a non-sephiroth main, I'm now calling the devs.

[@tkbreen9913]

“Know your place”

[@bigg1981]

Shoxas back to the algorith, lets go

[@loading...948]

Well, he hit the counter.

[@ForrestBreeze]

cant wait to show this to the devs.

[@none5020]

That was just a normal interaction.

[@tam11225]

Someone hide this from Nairo

[@lefleau2552]

What an absolute unit...!

[@Corrupted-Sun]

So alot of people already explained why this happened, another reason is also because Jokers fsmash is garbage, it looks like it has range but I swear it wiffs so damn hard on things it should've hit, so basically not only is Seph's counter slightly bigger than himself, the way Jokers fsmash works (atleast from the way I see it, after all I could be completely wrong ofcourse) also plays into why this happened.

[@cush_6765]

The power of 5.99

[@bazinga7009]

And they said Joker was broken

[@theganondorky7238]

Don't worry there won't be any more patches, even if one more they won't do anything useful so it's good

[@larryflaco8320]

this is actually balanced kinda

[@chilfang2422]

shulk mains are crying

[@BigB-xe9ey]

He simply got outplayed

[@PurpleHaz3_]

AND IT WAS AGAINST JOKER? ily homie

[@zamn61]

Just some DLC on DLC violencence

[@emmanuelroutsis9534]

Soon…

[@Bone14]

Joker becomes gay(m) at the end

[@jasonshank9073]

WE NEED GEORGE NEWBERN SEPHIROTH. WHY THEY GOTTA BE PETTY ASF JUST BECAUSE UNIONS

[@walterandfriendsofficial3585]

Outplayed

[@c.h.o.d.e]

I hate how this shit exist but im happy the it was against a joker

[@albertorodriguez3927]

I honestly hate this counter lmao. Kinda wish they just arsened it

[@hopeoxo]

like did i miss something i simple ass counter smfh 🤦🏾

[@Algera96]

Seems like joker just barely missed sephiroth and unfortunately landed his attack on the counter. Not 100% sure whats bad about this

[@sandycrash8868]

Anime swords man with down B counter Ahaahaaaaaa!!!!!! Horrible

[@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32]

Which ones? Atlus, square or Nintendo?

[@idrissawane2059]

I don’t even get it why YT algo whyyy?

[@Commander911]

I would say that’s fair

[@lfvgamerbro]

Of course the captions are in Spanish

[@eccehomo5122]

Haha but seriously: Sora's counter does the same thing but he then turns around to face the right direction and hit you, like a normal counter would do. Why? :'

[@mrcarnaval7329]

Sora’s counter does the same

[@ethanroumpf8923]

Almost every counter would do this

[@TimothyGod]

Sora maybe not, since his stuns and then retaliates, the hitbox of joker would return and probably whiff the counter in that case

[@mybigwillie6153]

@@TimothyGod I think Sora turns to face the attacker when its a melee hit he counters so it might not whiff but I could be wrong about that.

[@chonkyboi5770]

SHEEEEEESH

[@shoxas]

Lol

[@chonkyboi5770]

@@shoxas wait why haven’t I subscribed yet?

[@shoxas]

@@chonkyboi5770 Great question

[@antonioscott5791]

Good lawd XD

[@TrueinfiniteGamer]

🔥🔥🔥

[@elliotdeeks5764]

I wont ;)

[@SirNarax]

This doesn't seem that crazy. Especially since I have seen more clips of that counter being reflected back at him. But that is purely anecdotal.

[@XIIIXans]

no, they know already it's fine they don't care HAHAHA >:))

[@pyga_vs]

Everyone shows dis plzzz nerf go brrr

[@Kcoolin]

...TRASH"

[@Myztyrio]

That’s cute

[@Mark-tw7en]

How ? 😂

[@ethanroumpf8923]

Joker missed Sephiroth

[@inaminute1826]

% be like 123 69 lul

[@SlaveToLogic]

theres nothing wrong(?)

[@Cloudszs_.]

W e l p

[@itsjustavi]

??? there's nothing to show?? the counter hit box acted exactly as it's made to and joker attacked it there by activating the counter as well as moving his character forward just enough to get hit by the counter. if you think something is wrong here you simply don't understand hit boxes

[@bigtoblerone8446]

r/wooosh

[@Boolahan]

I think not everyone knows his counter is taller than he is, so people were wondering why it hit the counter but not Sephiroth. It is okay for things to be explained to people

[@iTokyoDemon]

cool

[@oppositionforces5988]

He kinda needs it anyways because #sephsux