Don't sleep on a move because you don't understand it

[@kevinm4193]

"Do you remember playing videogames and having fun?" Got me cryin in the club rn

[@lostwoods3569]

watching brian_f at da club be a real kevin move

[@venw.3655]

Whatcha doing watching KZbin in the club 🤣?

[@Apemopo]

That's not what he said

[@MostLikelyMortal]

It’s always been high stakes competition for me

[@VoermanIdiot]

Same thing happened with Cody's VT1, people kept saying it was trash or at least not worth using because Cody's VT2 is so strong, even after the VT1 buffs. Then the moment Shine started using more VT1 than VT2, those people got real quiet after realizing that while yes, VT2 is a stronger toolbox for stupid set-play damage, VT1 makes Cody's neutral that much more devastating - but more importantly, much safer - which is even more dangerous given the sheer amount of primate damage Cody can shit out.

[@XinJuan]

lmao "primate damage" im stealing that

[@codyxvasco592]

And the knife can go chachachachaslashslashslash and it looks rly cool

[@G4Dropped]

Lmfao man said primate damage

[@sirchris6047]

I use knife cause im stupid

[@trevonsmith1885]

This means we’re getting a video with you using Oro’s VT1, Right?

[@Brian_F]

....no

[@myyoutubeaccount4167]

@@Brian_F :/

[@imoto2764]

U gonna play Ken now?

[@justingoers]

Yes please. Brine.

[@SeisoYabai]

@@Brian_F Well would you do a video talking about it? Don't play Street Fighter but I'm very interested and love your other SF vids

[@rogerhogg8899]

LETS GO BRINE

[@Wrldcorpss]

Brian*

[@SpiderMario10]

@@Wrldcorpss please tell me you've been here long enough...if not lurk more.

[@michaelmorgan2880]

Bigot!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

[@Wrldcorpss]

@@SpiderMario10 I was just joking

[@justingoers]

BRINE

[@thecleaner1624]

Always great to see a move don't get understood

[@gerardorivas2811]

😂😂😂😂

[@Jadedx_]

When top Kens are using VT2 over VT1 you know it’s stronger. I’m glad you looked went over this and educated the non-Ken players. It also has some weird properties too, where you can just hang-time in the air over certain supers , if you pop just before their start-up. I’ve done it against guile’s super and I think G’s too if I remember. VT2 definitely gives Ken the ability to fight back/have respect in MU’s where he was out-neutraled before the buff. It gives Ken overall more versatility than he had before, where is was “okay” in until he popped VT1 .

[@mimeco2]

wow thanks for the explanation, I never really thought about the other applications for this move outside of anti airing because that all I ever see Ken's use it for in my rank (silver) but this video helped me understand that, also that I should be more thoughtful when it comes to judging something, so thanks

[@Antifrost]

That makes me wonder if some people default to it as an anti-air over Shoryu because V-Trigger is technically an easier input than the dragon punch motion. As someone who still drops that input from time to time, I can see it being more comfortable to press two buttons at the same time to try and hit someone above me in a pinch.

[@SkyBungis]

Good ending :)

[@Chymistry]

Character development

[@mimeco2]

@@Antifrost yeah it's probably that and the combo you can do after it for higher damage, also people might do it on wakeup for the same reason

[@ValSempai]

ooof never copy people from around your skillset because think about it. If you don't think you know what you're doing, then those other people in your rank DEFINELTY dont know what they're doing. I'd say watch people who are better than you and try to understand why they play the way they do.

[@BurnedRetinas]

I've seen the same takes about Gief's V-Skill 2. It doesn't have the vast properties and access that flex does, but it's got some effective uses with good spacing. It's just not easy to use if you're a lower end player.

[@LewnGamer]

@Taelin Cusic the kick

[@LewnGamer]

@Taelin Cusic the parry is a dp motion

[@LewnGamer]

@Taelin Cusic kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIq8lpupbcmdgKM

[@Th3Sh1n1gam1]

The way kichipamu used it to beat chunli in cpt was so good.

[@BurnedRetinas]

@@Th3Sh1n1gam1 his Gief is so much interesting to watch

[@vzm_underscore]

karin's low forward is a shitty button because it doesnt go through projectiles

[@simons9264]

Based

[@SPACECOWBOY705]

The way Brian F can make fun content day after day about one game is so fucking impressive

[@Antifrost]

I feel the same about Juri's V-Trigger 2. Much like Ken's, it has also gotten buffs over time, though most people write it off for not draining a lot of meter while you're comboing opponents, to which I say... yeah, 'cause you're hitting them and they're building meter as they lose it. In my experience and observations, they won't gain meter faster than they can lose it in a decent ground combo, so you don't give them more resources than they started with, and you're gaining way more meter than you usually would for combo extensions with EX moves or to cash out with super. Plus, the activation hitbox is larger than you'd expect from the animation (again, similar to Ken's).

[@exiaR2x78]

I main Sakura and everyoe was like VT1 sucks cause It didnt get the damage of VT2, but then when people saw the stuff people were doing with VT1 everyone came around. When the 2nd Vskills dropped everyone said Sakura VS2 sucked cause it didnt go through fireballs when it gives her like half screen corner carry off one hk crush counter smh.

[@Zdman2001]

Nice. I didn't fully understand Ken's VT2. Will help the next time I play against it.

[@xravia79]

I learned this the hard way with my Chun. I was having a good time bullying Ken with my normals before he sucked me in like a god damn tornado

[@xravia79]

@Taelin Cusic Start using VT2 :P

[@simons9264]

Chun Ken feels 7-3, but tbh I haven’t labbed it yet

[@alex2d]

I'll forever remember Ultradavid talking about this a few years ago. He said something along the lines of the mentality of "x move SHOULD do this" is a bad mindset to have. Like writing off Ken's VT2, because people think it SHOULD be an anti-air when that just is not how it's supposed to be used. You can figure out uses for every move and just because a particular move doesn't work exactly the way you want/expect it to doesn't mean that it's bad, it just means that's not what it's supposed to be used for.

[@RetroKid]

good job calling out people for ignorant comments without actually calling them ignorant...and educating them at the same time. you've improved the internet by 0.00000001%, but at least you made a difference with your approach.

[@ConradSly]

haha those same people commenting on vt2 in the first video probably in here saying it's broken now. Wish people would just sit and think about stuff and lab it out like Brian does here instead of taking to the internet to express their baby rage.

[@Clarkbardoone]

Guilty gear players be like “happy chaos is trash” (1 week passes) “happy chaos is broken nerf immediately”

[@ericjames4754]

I can't believe this has become a melee channel frfr melee is sick

[@Siinory]

Ken VT2 is the perfect case example of where the players (well YT comments) are like "This move should work like this" instead of "This move works like this". VT2 isn't an anti-air and as you brought up, Ken has DP and even cr.HP as AAs.

[@ToranosukeEdo]

Ken VT2 is scarry af- makes his neutral game S-tier

[@jasky9178]

People should also know that if Ken pop a RAW VT2 successfully, he can combo it into light spinkick=> heavy dp => CA which is a very easy combo with 565 damage(325 stun).

[@D4wdify]

Thanks for explaining the V-trigger and showing some combos. I just recently started playing SFV online and this is a great addition to my 3 move flowchart Ken!

[@gerardorivas2811]

lol

[@deltius]

us ken players know full well its not an anti air but sometimes you do it anyway for no good reason

[@Prohxyy]

People want to complain and don't actually want to get better or put the work in to do so. Literally all those comments were. It's just like how people want to learn an instrument, buy one, and never play it. People need to look inward.

[@dwaynemcfadden731]

Didnt think you'd do a whole vid on vt2 as a ken main I can appreciate it because it's a nuanced move with a variety of different implications, I especially love using it in the akuma match up.

[@soulblade2099]

My SFV Online ability is situational. Once in a great while that situation comes up and I happily take a game. 😀

[@JinsainYT]

I believe this deserves a "Gottem. GG's.", but Brian is a humble man. (In this instance XD) Very nice video man

[@ITSTHATBOI369]

Can you do a video like this about cammy’s VT2? I think it’s pretty generally accepted that it’s bad

[@dkmatti]

Its generally accepted that vt1 is the better option in most scenarios, not that it’s bad inherently.

[@PomadaGaming]

0:17 i remember this moment

[@PomadaGaming]

2:32 not at the start 2:44 oo

[@teteuzero2011]

We never got to know where all that dookie go 3:30

[@theSHELFables]

Bar count matters for trigger selection too. Ken has a very good v reversal and a 2 bar trigger means he can use it (and/or possibly multiple v shifts) and still see trigger that round. The 3 bar triggers should be more powerful but sometimes a 2 bar needing 1 less to activate can make a huge difference in overall utility for a matchup or playstyle.

[@Raxyz_0]

I thought you would use the CPT EU footage of Infexious vs Problem X. There wasn't a single Psycho Axe or sHP whiffed that went unpunished when Inf had VTrigger.

[@OffMeta-Gaming]

I don't play SFV BUT this was very eye opening, I will definitely carry this knowledge into Tekken 7

[@joebrown6778]

Love these topics.

[@ddublu]

ken vt2 and alex's power bomb are the moves that have me "that reached?!" the most.

[@happycamperds9917]

I used to think Bison's cr.MK was pretty dumb... because I didn't know it was special cancellable lol.

[@Eddiegames9]

the main thing that's disappointing about it not anti-airing well is that Attack Property V-Triggers have really bad damage scaling when you cancel into them, you could get significantly more damage if it anti-aired better, however, it's still a quite good trigger elsewhere

[@itz_yoboi_tree]

I like how the comments in this video are way smarter than the comments on the ken video

[@PomadaGaming]

Tbh,there were like 3 comments saying that thing about ken. The rest was normal brian f clips enyojers. Like me

[@BreadBeardFGC]

Lets not forget that you can hit-confirm into it from normals that don't even special cancel like s.MK and S.HK

[@MomijiSour]

"Alright, so you guys ever remember playing video games" nope, never=

[@tobir.jacobs5392]

Damn wherever I go Shine is always getting memed on😭😭😭

[@neo6289]

I dont play SFV or fighting games but still enjoyed the video

[@DwarlWarberry]

One of my favorite thing in fighting games is finding those niche scenarios where a "bad" move wins. Shit's awesome.

[@NeoBoneGirl]

I mean it’s not even bad, the point is that you can’t write off moves entirely without understanding the strengths, weaknesses, and risk reward a fair bit

[@dekudakhan]

You can confirm Ken's VT1 and VT2 from his standing heavy kick as well

[@jevorok3905]

Brian upload? Pog

[@thisistherun4015]

FanTASTIC video

[@GrungytheHamster]

Thanks ChrisT for the tips

[@TechnicSky]

Oh you watch Asum Saus? Subscribed!

[@Luna-Lux]

brain F learns to fox ledgedsah waveshine across the stage speedrun when

[@IYPITWL]

I didn't use Puff I used Luigi and tried to Up B shriek people :) quite similar

[@mortimerwake2974]

" . . . and the Rest is history."

[@leandrocardoso4876]

Great, now talk about Zangief's Tundra Storm...

[@TheDookey87]

It does anti air actually. It was buffed to aa after later frames probably after 8-9 frames. It's actually optimal to aa with raw vt2.

[@DaneMurdock]

I picked up Ken this weekend, having not played the game in years. His season 5.5 changes are giving me some of the most fun I've had in this game since it launched. Really funny how people were saying VT2 is trash as I don't think I'd ever care to play VT1 with this new option. I've also found myself playing VSkill2 over VSkill1. Those two additions to ken make him into a very different character than he was at launch, and for me, a really fun one.

[@jimmycastro1989]

People is stupid, Ken now just need a 3 frames start crouching light punch to be top tier

[@GamingCentralTV1]

So are we finally ready to admit Ken is S tier?

[@armandopineiro4022]

It can get stopped as an anti air but if you react fast enough it will anti air

[@3serio]

I don’t remember having fun, when i was born my father put a Dreamcast controller in my hand and made me play 3rd strike online. Been in ranked ever since!

[@grigoryp.7366]

"Sometimes moves in fighting games..." *uses smash as example* Oh come on brian!

[@BadlndsBob]

This is absolute true. People need to learn that moves work well in the right situation. Also, SFV players complain and dismiss things too much. When SFV first came out, Tokido stated that he would use Akuma. He was asked, "Akuma? Are, you sure? He's not a very good character." People were saying other characters were trash until we saw someone compete well in a tournament with him or her.

[@kungfuhustle99]

Brian F…..dawg ……u r so right

[@briangardner6190]

Ive seen the same line of thinking about Vega. No VT or VS. Just Vega. *Feelsbadman*

[@dmdeal7562]

Vindication! As a Ken main who uses VT2, all I've heard is VT2 garbage because people are using it wrong.

[@igorlramos]

You can also do some shenanikens like VT2 Shimmy

[@AntGSuxatYoutube]

I am now similarly relieved when ken picks vt1 now I've gotten whiff punished too many times by vt2 .

[@rowdy5453]

3:30.. how to deal with the dookie? What you be on brian?

[@sputnikdx]

Brian responds to comments so we don't have to.

[@tegrity]

That happens to my Ken all the time it's not air invincible

[@jabx1221]

You can definitely write off certain moves in NRS games. Kitana in mk11 has about 5, probably more, combo strings that are mostly useless.

[@HDDustyy]

My homies a ken main and im painfully aware of how good vt2 is

[@mfd8346]

Ken is bonkers. No wonder I keep seeing him in ranked. More so than any other char

[@FallOnFridays]

@3:15 Ok but, WHERE DOES IT GO?

[@noway4879]

Leon the lobster is goddamn famous lol

[@RozarSmacco]

Please play your Dean strat-type guitar for us. Just a few licks…

[@minato808]

Most top Ken players use this V-Trigger right? It would be nice if it had anti air properties but it’s not bad.

[@timcan4176]

So what are your thought on Oros fw mk? Im sorry, you can’t convince me that’s a good move. Broski did a video on it too.

[@KTSamurai1]

i love the mileage you get -- even from your own comments section! -- from people confidently parading their ignorance

[@35259edgarboudaher]

It is an anti air after frame 11 and its activation is throw invincible. I don't mind people underestimating it then get rekt.

[@eghcogaming5639]

I said it in the past. I'll say it again, I FORGOT to do MP DP to cancel into VT2

[@GDPanda69]

ANGRY COMMENT ABOUT SOL

[@MFIBCN]

What about Urien's VT2? The Tyrant Pressure.

[@PomadaGaming]

I was in this stream wooooooo

[@mr.madhatter5538]

As low elo player sometimes seeing a move being used by a better player gives huge insight as to how it can be used in your kit. That being said, I never see anyone using ryu v-skill 2, and I have no idea what the perks of using that move could possibly be 😅.

[@AtlasNYC_]

What? Really? I see that shit everywhere. It's a better parry tool imo cuz you get to cancel into damage.

[@Nestix_the_stupid_one]

Relevant topic, considering that people are currently shitting all over baiken's tether calling it bad lmao

[@Dalegribblebaby]

Good smash rest example m8

[@venw.3655]

Also Brian, are you saying Snuffed or Stuffed 👀?

[@joeybook]

I'm here for Ken content

[@kungfuhustle99]

And see Brian F this is why i don’t red comments from silly ass dudes when it comes to fighting games

[@Giraffinator]

I knew this was coming

[@fatpikachu2900]

i thought ggs garuda impact was a terrible move when i first started playing. It has slow startup, doesnt do anything when blocked (i didnt know anything about setups or set play) and it only combo'ed into buster when super close. oh how naive I was

[@KergWC]

damn I had a friend who used ken vt2 as an anti air and I lead him astray cause I told him bro stop picking that it's trash. When instead I should have said bro you're trash and you don't know how to use that vt2, thanks Brian_F!

[@silkavenger]

This misconception about abilities (and items) happens hard core in the Risk of Rain 2 community as well.

[@lobster6736]

Risk of rain 2 players when they realize the weather forecast exists

[@nirrity]

I find this video situational

[@prim7386]

Ken's in the comments stand up!!!!

[@Juanmi87]

Why nobody talks about VT2 being throw invincible??

[@Kappaprimo]

Hi, Twitch chat!

[@pastorofmuppets9346]

Im not that surprised about the ken vt2 interaction in particular. Its not invi on frame 1 so sure it got stuffed by that good jumpin normal

[@themangafan0990]

It's actually not invincible to any hits at any point in the frames. Only projectile invincible

[@exiaR2x78]

Ken VT2 and VS2 is the way to go in most match ups, easy 300+ damage and anti fireball tool. I think the idea thats its bad is carry on from the past seasons when they were but since the last patch theyve been good. Generally if I run into a Ken in ranked and theyre running VT1 and VS1 I know they dont know about the strength of VT2 VS2

[@pip25hu]

I don't want to defend people's ignorance, but... Shinryuken is a legacy move. It's basically one of Ken's variations on the Shoryuken. So, unlike with Lucia's V-Triggers, for example, people have certain preconceptions about it - and it certainly feels weird to see something so similar to a DP get stuffed by an air attack so cleanly.

[@topdamagewizard]

5:58 Excuse me? Wut? O.o Fuck Ken Mang

[@tricksock]

I am not good enough at the game to comprehend why pro's choose Fang's 2nd v-trigger. I just pick his first one because I don't like the way his hands look in the second one.